Cal @ Washington State Post-Game Thoughts
(1) Mansion looks pretty comfortable at QB. Talk about one cool cat. He didn't appear wide-eyed. He seemed like he's been starting QB all year. Didn't seem rattled. Didn't seem frantic. Even when he threw his two interceptions, he didn't seem to lose his confidence or get shaken up. I like that. Seems like the game might slowing down for him (it should be, he's been on the team for four years although not a starter). Not losing his confidence on those INTs is a good thing also. QBs just have to forget about those things and move on.
(2) Turnover pains. One thing about inexperienced QBs is that they tend to turn the ball over. Mansion is no different and threw two interceptions.
The first one was either a simple case of forgetting about a defender or Mansion trying to force the ball. Cal was in a 2x2 formation (two receivers on each side of the offensive line) out of their base personnel (21 personnel - 2 WRs 1 TE, 2 backs). WSU looked to have its 4-3 personnel out of the field. Cal was running all "go" routes. WSU was playing what looked to be a Cover 2 or Tampa 2 (zone defense). Mansion found the proper weak-spot on the defense (sideline areas right inbetween the CB and safety), but unfortunately he just didn't see that the cornerback wasn't sitting that low in his zone, and was shadowing the receiver from below. Or, alternatively, Mansion saw the defender and still tried to force the ball into that window. And if Mansion was forcing the ball in there, then that was a really bad pass because he should have put that ball high and outside (towards the sideline) rather than low and underneath. So the fact that the pass was low and underneath seems to suggest Mansion just didn't see that defender and figured he had a safe pass underneath the coverage.
The second interception occurred on a back-shoulder pass to Vereen split out wide left. This is sort of an option pass where if Vereen beats his defender, then the pass will be a deep fade. Otherwise, if Vereen can't be his defender, then the pass will be a bullet back-shoulder pass. Vereen didn't beat his defender so the pass was supposed to be a blazing back shoulder pass. Unfortunately the ball was slow, low and and inside, resulting in the INT. After watching the replay, it looks like when Mansion was about to throw the ball, Vereen hadn't beat his defender and so Mansion was throwing for the back shoulder. But in the second it took Mansion to throw the ball, Vereen had beat his defender and was looking for the deep ball. And since the defender was trailing Vereen, and Mansion threw the *back*-shoulder pass, the pass was seemingly right to the defender. So this is one of this shit happens plays; it was sort of a mis-communication. Mansion saw that Vereen hadn't beat the defender to get the deep fade, so Mansion threw the back-shoulder pass. Vereen thought he had his defender beat and was pushing up field expecting the deep fade and wasn't at all expecting the back-shoulder pass.
(3) Mansion seemed to be having some accuracy problems. From the start, Mansion's passes seemed a little high. The (dropped) passes to Jones (Cal WR #1) on the skinny post, and Miller (Cal TE #80) on the post were both a bit high. Catchable, sure, but high. Mansion had another pass to Miller on a bootleg which was really high and behind (it also shouldn't have been thrown in the first place).
In fact, it seemed like maybe Mansion wasn't getting a good grip on the ball or something. He had a few flutter balls during the game that weren't tipped. Maybe the cold weather was making that ball a little slick and hard to hold. When the Cal defense was on the field, Mansion was even throwing passes on the sideline. He was either doing that to keep warm, or perhaps to practice getting a good grip on the ball.
(4) Wildcat/Wildbear/Crazy is losing its fly sweep fake. Last year the wildcat formation always had that fly sweep fake going across the formation. Now though, we're seeing less and less of that. Why lose the fly sweep fake? Well, teams weren't really respecting it and defending it that much. So perhaps Ludwig (Cal OC) realized it just made more sense to dedicate that offensive player as a pure blocker, rather than trying to draw coverage as a decoy (which rarely worked).
(5) WSU seemed to be looking for the run early on, and Cal responded by throwing in a lot of playaction. I was very surprised how the Cal offensive playcalling seemed to really put the ball in Mansion's hands early on and expecting him to make some throws. Like WSU, when I saw Cal come out in its base personnel (21 personnel) or 22 personnel (1 WR, 2 backs, 2 TEs), I was expecting run. But nope! We were using playaction and bootlegs to try and catch them off guard and looking for those easy runs. I guess this just goes to show that the Cal coaches have faith in Mansion to pass the ball and that he doesn't need to be coddled and warmed-up into the game with a ton of hand-off run plays for a quarter.
(6) Mansion lookin' pretty good on those zone reads. I know a lot of people have described Mansion as a scrambling QB. He is not. But he does have decent mobility, and perhaps even more speed than Riley did. So it was pretty nice to see Ludwig throwing in a few zone reads, AND seeing Mansion have the guts to pull the ball and run with it himself. I hope to see this more often, but I'm also a little concerned that Mansion is going to get popped big time by some head hunting defenders on the better defenses of Oregon, and Stanfurd.
(7) Lots of max protect, half-rolls for Cal. Back in 2006, and 2007, Cal used a TON of max protect half-rolls (I broke one down from the 2007 Cal @ Oregon game which you can read here). For some reason, those plays largely disappeared and weren't used a lot for 2008 and 2009. But during this game, Cal ran max protect half-rolls at least five times. Not entirely sure why this game was the game to dust off those plays and give 'em a go, but we did. WSU wasn't getting huge pressure on Mansion, and typically when the defense is getting big pressure on Mansion you want to start either throwing screens or moving the pocket. Since Allen (Cal WR #1) was out, Cal wasn't throwing a lot of screens so perhaps that's why Ludwig (Cal OC) went to the max protect half-rolls.
I was thinking that Ludwig might have called these plays because Mansion is used to them since they are very old plays that Cal used to practice all the time, but I'm not so sure that Cal really practices those plays all the time any more. You see, those plays were some of Cal's staple plays. Cal practiced them every day in practice. They were even a part of Cal's two-minute drill plays, as well as their audibles. But now they aren't a part of Cal's two-minute drill plays. Instead, now Cal uses straight dropbacks for its two minute drill plays. And you rarely see max protect half-rolls called in regular games either. So to me, at least, it was really surprising to see these old plays being used again.
(8) Defense was playing a lot of Cover 2 man, and Man Free. We saw these defenses a lot against UC Davis, Colorado, and didn't see a lot of these defenses against the better teams that Cal has played thus far. I theorized earlier that the reason why we might not see these defenses a lot (and instead see zone defenses) against the better teams Cal has faced, was that Pendergast (Cal DC) believes we have the athleticism and skill in the secondary to use these defenses against these lesser teams without substantial risk of getting beat deep. Indeed, WSU had a hard time passing the ball, and their longest pass of the day was just 24 yards. For the most part, WSU receivers just couldn't get open down the field to make Cal pay for playing aggressive Man Free defense.
What did surprise me, was that despite playing Cover 2 man, and Man Free, Cal wasn't really blitzing WSU a lot. The benefit of playing these defenses is that you can get some really tight coverage on the receivers, blanketing them, and thus making blitzes more effective because the QB won't have anyone to throw to. Nevertheless, Pendergast stayed fairly conservative (oh noes!) and just rushed four defenders most of the time. Let us all sacrifice an innocent farm animal this week and pray to the football gods that Pendergast isn't channeling his inner Bob Gregory and becoming a passive defensive coordinator.
(9) Cal's field goal kicking almost loses the game. Tavecchio (Cal kicker) missed a critical field goal early on which would have given Cal a critical touchdown lead in the third quarter. The score would have been 17-10 but instead it was 14-10, until WSU made a field goal to make it a one point game (14-13). Then Tavecchio seemed to have a low kick on a PAT in the fourth quarter which made the game 20-13, instead of 21-13. The latter score requiring WSU to get a touchdown *and* a two point conversion to tie the game.
It was like Cal was just daring WSU to tie up the game, and win it. My biggest fear (when the score was 20-13) was that Cal was going to give up a touchdown, then WSU was going to go for two points and win the game (21-20). Man, wouldn't that been one hell of a mind-blowing loss. All Cal fans would probably be calling for Tavecchio's head if we lost that game due to his missed FG and blocked PAT.
(10) Cal still won. Some might say that Cal didn't really "win" the game, so much as they didn't suck as much as WSU, or that WSU just plain "lost" the game that they should have won. I agree this wasn't exactly a beautiful game. If this was any other opponent, we probably would have lost. I know WSU had a lot of untimely drops which stalled their drives. But football is just as much about not sucking or making less errors than the other team, than executing well and delivering a solid beat down to the other team. In other words, we may not have won the game with long 10 yard runs and gorgeous deep passes, but we certainly dropped less balls than WSU and played better defense than them even if it wasn't great defense. You have to give the team credit for that. A win is a win, even if the team didn't deserve the win because they performed well below fans' standards.
(11) Cal *needs* a bowl game. Whenever a team is at four or five wins with only a few games remaining on the schedule, the inevitable discussion comes up of whether the team really "deserves" to go to a bowl game or not (in case the team actually wins the necessary games to become bowl eligible). Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what people think about whether the team "deserves" to go to a bowl game or not, the fact of the matter is that the team *needs* a bowl game. Why do they need a bowl game? The one month of extra practice time which bowl teams get and non-bowl teams don't get; the extra boost in recruiting, and the boost in national exposure.
(12) Telegraphing plays? It's been brought to my attention that there is a lot of speculation about other teams knowing our offensive plays. The fine folks over at BearInsider have a big discussion going on which can be seen here.
Basically, just before one of our plays, the TV feed showed the WSU defensive coordinator motioning to his defense in a manner which looked like he was saying the play was going to be a pass. In fact, PRD74 made a youtube video of the incidence which you can view below:
Pretty interesting, huh?
It sure does seem like the WSU DC is signaling that the play will be a pass. Does he really know the play is going to be a pass play? Or is he just signaling some other message to his defense which coincidentally appears to be a passing motion when Cal's next play is a pass play?
Well, first of all, let's discuss the different ways in which a defense might know the upcoming offensive play.
(a) Really good scouting based on personnel.
(b) Really good scouting based on formation.
(c) Really good scouting based on pre-snap motion.
(d) They picked our signals.
We can dispose of two of the above possibilities really easily. Go back and watch the video. Notice anything in the videos? Do you know which two of the above four possibilities we can easily dispose of? If you said (b) and (c), you're right. How come it's not possible that the WSU DC knew our plays based on formation, or pre-snap motion? Because he was doing his little signal prior to Cal even lining up in their formation, and there was no pre-snap motion. Duh. Okay, those two were easy. So now we're left with:
(a) Really good scouting based on personnel.
(b) Really good scouting based on formation.
(c) Really good scouting based on pre-snap motion.
(d) They picked our signals.
Let's talk about (a). Every team watches film of their upcoming opponents to learn their formations, schemes, and tendencies. It's very possible that WSU knew some of our tendencies based on our personnel set out on the field for that play. What personnel did Cal have on the field? Cal had 21 personnel out on the field (2 WRs, 2 backs, 1 TE). What the heck about this personnel group would make the WSU DC think this play was going to be a pass? Nothing really. I haven't charted games this year like I used to do in the past (I have a lot less time nowadays due to real life getting in the way), but from my past chartings I know that Cal is really run heavy out of the 21 personnel set. I'm talking like at least 80% run out of the 21 personnel set. This year has appeared to be no different.
So when the WSU DC saw Cal with 21 personnel out on the field, the first thing that should have come to his mind was "run". Hell, whenever I see Cal take the field with 21 personnel I'm pretty darn sure we're going to see a run. So the WSU DC should have been signaling his defense to warn them of a run if he was looking at personnel tendencies to determine whether Cal was going to run or pass. But he didn't. He seemed to be signaling pass. So obviously, this rules out possibility (a). The WSU DC couldn't have known the upcoming play based on personnel tendencies because Cal did the opposite of its personnel tendencies (Cal passed the ball when its personnel tendencies suggest run).
So that leaves possibility (d), that WSU picked our signals.
How does Cal send in its signals? I've gone over this a million times but it's always an interesting talk so I don't mind going over it again.
In the early Tedford years, Cal would send in the playcalls via hand signals. Two backup QBs on the sidelines would give signals to the QB on the field. One of the sideline QBs was a decoy, and the other one was "live" -- meaning he was sending in the real signal. By using two QBs, the other team isn't sure which one is live and which one is the decoy. This makes it harder for the other team to pick (decode) our signals. However, the astute observer can sometimes still figure out which one is the live one and which one is the decoy. Sometimes the QB on the field needs a repeat of the signal. The live QB will signal the play back in. If the decoy QB isn't paying attention, and doesn't send a decoy signal, then you can instantly tell which QB is live and which is the decoy.
To better defend against the other team picking signals, many teams now use the number system. Cal currently uses the number system. I don't know when Cal made the switch, but it was no later than 2005.
So how does the number system work?
The starting QB wears a wrist band. On that wristband are 150 plays (300 if you count the flipped version of each play). Each play is numbered 1 through 150. A backup QB on the sideline will signal in the number which corresponds to the play being called. The starting QB will then open up his wristband and look at the play which corresponds to that number. Because the offense is signaling in numbers and not the actual plays, there is technically no need to use a decoy QB to also signal a fake number. There is no way the defense can know the playcall unless they have the wristband themselves. At the very most, the defense will only know that play 58, for example, is being called (and even then, they won't really know the numbers since they don't know which hand signal corresponds with each number). And unless the defense is keeping track of which play results for each playcall number, then they aren't going to know the play.
Cal currently uses two signal QBs despite also using the number system. Why does Cal use two signal QBs despite using the number system? Because Cal sometimes also signals in plays via hand signal. Thus, when Cal does send in the play via actual hand signals, they want the protection of using two QBs (one live and one decoy). This is pretty rare though. I would say that on average, only 10% of Cal's offensive plays a game will be signaled in via hand rather than by numbers.
Now for those of you who do watch the signal QBs on the sidelines, you've probably noticed that both of them are always both signaling -- even despite Cal using the number system 90% of the time. Why are both QBs signaling when Cal is sending in a number? Answer: both are sending in the same number. In other words, the decoy doesn't send in a fake number. Again, there is no need for two QBs to send in numbers but Cal just does it anyways. Cal doesn't even bother sending in a decoy number, because like I said earlier, the play is still protected by the number and the defense can't know the play unless they have the wristband themselves.
(How do I know all this stuff? I was fortunate enough to learn some of the hand signals from players, as well as on my own).
So after that long explanation, is it possible that the WSU DC picked our signals? Highly doubtful. Most of our signals are protected by the numbering system.
What if that play was sent in via signals rather than a number? Let's just assume that the play was sent in via actual signals rather than numbers, and WSU knew which sideline QB was the live QB. Would they be able to tell the upcoming play was a playaction pass based on the hand signals? Again, highly doubtful. For the most part, Cal's hand signals do not look like what they are meant to describe. In other words, if the play is a pass play, the hand signal isn't going to be a "pass the ball" motion or anything. Likewise, if the play is a run play, the hand signal isn't going to be something which looks like a QB-handoff or a runningback running with the ball.
What if they really did have our wristband? They wouldn't because it's impossible to get. If they had a previous week's wristband the plays corresponding to the numbers would be different. And even if they did have the current wristband, they'd have a hard time understanding the language. It's not like the playcalls say "pretend to hand-off the ball to Vereen to the right, then pass the ball." It says a bunch of mumbo jumbo like "yankee zulu left eagle X7 530 zip." I made that stuff up, but you get the point. Unless they know what each of those specific words means, then they are still clueless.
So after all that, I think I'm going to have to say this was either (i) the WSU DC warning his defense of the possibility that the play was going to be a playaction pass; or (ii) the WSU DC was just signaling a playcall or some message to his defense which coincidentally appears to be a hand-off and passing-the-ball motion and Cal's subsequent play was also coincidentally a playaction pass.
Regarding (i), this is probably the most likely scenario. Cal was running quite a bit of playaction pass early in the game because they figured WSU would be expecting the run. Additionally, Cal was running a lot of playaction out of its 21 personnel too. So when the WSU DC saw Cal taking the field in its 21 personnel, he was probably reminding his defense that despite Cal traditionally running a lot with this personnel set, that Cal was actually playactioning more today instead.
Going back to that BearInsider thread, there were some pretty good questions being asked and pondered. One BearInsider asks a good question:
There have been rumors since the @Tenn game that our signals are being stolen. What type of precautions are usually taken to protect the signals and how often do they switch them up?
The 2006 Tennessee incident was on the defensive side of the ball. One of the Tennessee offensive coaches said after the game that they knew what our defensive plays were going to be. It had nothing to do with our offense. That story can be read here, but I'll copy the pertinent part below:
• Tedford responded Tuesday to reports that the Vols were able to intercept and decipher Cal's defensive signals last Saturday.
After the game, Tennessee wide receivers coach Trooper Taylor told www.ESPN.com that Vols coaches knew what defensive sets the Bears would be running based on the signals and then pass the information on to the players.
Tedford said he doubted any signal stealing affected the game.
"I guess it's possible (they stole signals)," Tedford said. "We have different guys giving signals, so they would have to know which guy was giving the signals at that one time."
Tedford didn't say whether the defense would begin wearing wristbands with plays instead of flashing signals.
The coach said when he first came to Cal from Oregon, it did not prove to be a disadvantage for the Bears even though Cal had carried over many of the Ducks' signals.
"Even if you see what is coming, it is hard to relay that to the players and get all 11 guys on the same page," Tedford said.
The very next week, Cal's defense used wristbands and the numbering system.
Now, for the second part of the question: how often does Cal switch up its signals? Cal doesn't really switch up its signals, but it does add new signals. Every offensive coordinator that has come along has added new signals to correspond to unique aspects of their offensive ideology which they have installed. So while the signals don't usually change, the variety of signals does change.
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they called a play for the second time in a game? Play “58” could be a play-action pass, and if a coach was paying (complete) attention, he might remember a play number and at least its correponding play type, if not the exact routes.
Awesome, awesome stuff, Hydro
Rec’d and appreciated! Some things I saw:
1) Generally speaking, I liked the playcalling. Pretty good mix of short, safe passes with some play-action deep balls. I especially liked airing it out early to keep the defense honest. We certainly weren’t overly predictable or conservative with a new QB. I know some folks wanted us to just run, run, run. But, Wazzu was stacking the box with 8-9 all game long and we don’t exactly have an overpowering O-line. Mixing it up was necessary. I noticed we were running a lot more sweeps – perhaps because Ludwig has noticed that our undersized line isn’t so good at blowing people off the ball, but do get out and pull pretty well. It was cool to see the play-action roll outs come back. It helps our o-line and seems to be a play that Mansion runs very smoothly.
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2) Special teams coverage seems like it has regressed from the beginning of the year. I’m wondering with the struggles on offense/defense if we’re spending less time in practice. Or, because we’re using a lot of 1st teamers on special teams and we’re using 2nd teamers on the scout team, maybe some of the guys have too much on their plates? I might have said this last week, too. I have no answers. Sigh.
I really don’t know what it says about the coaching when we continually catch the ball within our own 10, carry the ball away from our body like a live hand grenade, just flat drop it, or miss easy kicks. I’m sure the coaches spend time on the basics and fundamentals – but this seems to be a question of focus. Maybe the touchy-feely build up their confidence stuff just isn’t working and it’s time for some tough love?
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4) Please tell me that at some point this year, we’re going to do something really cool out of the WildBear where we don’t just run straight ahead. We’re setting this up for something unbelievably and earth-shatteringly amazing. Right? In fairness, I liked the wrinkle where Mansion initially lined up at center, and then motioned to an H-back set. I also liked Mansion in the bunch formation to take advantage of his size as an extra blocker.
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I now HAT the “wildbear” formation because it is the same freaking play over and over. In order to really give it some benefit there should be a handoff or (gasp) a pass attempt at some point – otherwise it sort of becomes a pretty pointless play.
Being an Old Blue means fearing any athletic success.
Ironically, we’re running pretty well out of the Wildcat formation this year. Actually, I should qualify that — when we are running the ball well, we run it equally well out of the Wildcat formation. When we can’t run the ball well, it gets stuff just as easily as more normal running plays.
I don’t think we’re getting a great ROI on it over our normal running plays, but I don’t think we’re doing worse either.
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When even Joe Starkey is saying that the Wildcat needs to go back in the cage because it’s always Vereen running to the same side, your play has become too predictable.
Also, I’m sick of every TV broadcaster jumping out of his seat yelling “wildcat!” every time there’s a direct snap to a QB. I expect this in the NFL, where anything other than a West Coast offense with a Cover-2 D is considered wild wacky innovation, but guys who call ball on Saturdays should know better by now…
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
RB. RB. RB. RB. RB. Not QB. RB.
In my defense, they took our guy off on a cart this weekend and Vandy is down to its fourth tailback, so I don’t really remember what a running back looks like anymore.
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
To do anything amazing out of the Wildcat, we have to actually block for our backs.. That is not happening right now.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 8, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
True. But then again, the same could be said about the regular running game, as well.
My feeling is this “wildbear” could be a bit more effective if, during the previous games, there had been more than one handoff to the sweep and there had even been a couple or more passess attempted. Consider the first OSU touchdown against us when Quizz was in the Wildbeaver, faked the run, got the LBs to bite, then shotputtted the ball for a score.
Even if the handoffs/passes fail, it would result in the opposition needing to respect the possibility.
Unless, of course, this is all Tedford’s masterful plot to use against Furd, wherein Vereen and Sofele combine to go 20/25 on passes for 350 yds and 4 TDs.
Being an Old Blue means fearing any athletic success.
No risk, no reward.
Besides, the play worked. And if you use that logic, then the 3rd and 20 pass to Ross should never have been done, because Ross almost didn’t make the first.
Etc.
My point is that by attempting handoffs and passes in the “wildbear” would act to force defenses to at least acknowledge that they can happen. If those calls are done in non-crucial situations the risk is less, and the rewards can be reaped later in that game, and in future games as well. After all, for their remaining games, all OSU opponents are aware that Quizz may and can pass from their wildbeaver.
Anyway, it’s only my opinion.
Being an Old Blue means fearing any athletic success.
yeah, i know what you mean, and i agree with you too. I was just saying we tried it before. And it happened to be a very dangerous play.
Btw, even though I think that Ross’s conversion on 3rd and 20 is the greatest play of the year, i still think that was a bad playcall.
Btw, even though I think that Ross’s conversion on 3rd and 20 is the greatest play of the year, i still think that was a bad playcall.
I agree with you about this, but I agree with SoCal Oski about the Vereen throw in Tempe.
by atomsareenough on Nov 8, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
That situation against ASU last year was a bad time to try passing from the Wildcat (or to try passing at all, really). We wanted to run the clock down and set up for a game-winning chip-shot FG.
However, in more typical situations it would be worthwhile to try passing the ball out of the Wildcat. Heck, I’d be happy if we actually handed it on the fly sweep a few more times. Right now, there’s no real misdirection to the formation.
I think I remember that we’ve handed off on the fly sweep twice – once to Sofele last year, it went for a good gain, once to a WR this year (KA?), not so much.
Would love to see us hand off on the fly sweep more.
by HelloBowlesHall on Nov 8, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m just saying is that until opponents respect our ability to pass and O-line play improves, we’re always going to struggle running the ball, regardless of formation or playcall.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 8, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Mansion on the fly sweep
Related to the point Hydro brought up, I’d like them to at least try having Mansion run the fly sweep fake. Obviously, if he’s handed the ball, you’d want it to be rollout pass/run type option for him. I have no idea if it’d work, but it’d be cool to see attempted. There could be benefits because safeties would have to stay deep and he’s fast enough that he could run for an ok-ish gain if he keeps it.
Admittedly, Mansion will probably get absolutely clobbered if the play screws up.
5) We managed to fulfill just about every stereotypical screw-up required for an upset: Let an over-matched team hang around until they gain confidence, made execution and mental errors in all three phases, leave points on the board, and turn it over. But you have to hand it to the guys for grinding this one out. We didn’t get Coug’d.
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we won
which is all that I was hoping for on the road with a new QB. It wasn’t pretty or even all that inspiring but it was a W
Inspiring and completing since1997 since2010!
6) Our outside contain on runs really, really scares me. We still haven’t figured this out. Whether our schemes are wanky, or the guys continue to blow assignments, we just let one of the worst rushing teams in the nation post one of their best rushing games of the year. Next week could be incredibly ugly.
Yeah, I know we were a little lighter in the middle than usual because of our 3 DE alignment. (I’m hoping that was a strategic decision to get more pass rush and not because Hill and Payne are hurt) But, someone continues to get sucked inside. Considering that MikeyMo was limited with that club on his wrist, and that this reminds me of the NV game, perhaps the backup ILB’s are showing their inexperience.
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7) Mansion generally had time to throw. Even though it was against questionable competition, at least the Oline didn’t let him get hounded all day. He was only pressured three times. The first sack came from a blown assignment. The 2nd was a CB blitz – Vereen was out of position after the play action fake. Good call from the D. The last pressure was an issue w/ the WR’s pattern (Ross), and the LT(Schwartz) whiffing on the pass rusher.
It’s going to be a different story next week – Allioti likes to mix things up and bring the heat. Ulp.
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9) Hats off to Guyton and Cam Jordan for great games. Not sure if Hill, Payne, Tipoti are nursing injuries, or if we deliberately went with three DE’s to get a better pass rush. The lack of a true nose tackle showed up with our trouble stopping their run game right up the middle. Cam Jordan’s most impressive tackle was actually on a WR screen – after rushing the passer, he made the tackle on the WR 10+ yards downfield after two DB’s whiffed on the tackle. That’s a serious motor. That’s personal growth. That makes me stand up and applaud.
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That makes me hope CJ is there when the Skins pick in April.
I don’t know why I don’t remember hearing Guyton’s name called before. I’d love to hear it called a lot the rest of the month.
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
Regarding "zone option"
There was no option. According to reports, these were called QB keepers that Mansion asked Ludwig to run because WSU was overcomitting to stopping Shane. Mansion was not reading the defense dynamically, although he was exploiting a tendency he was noticing.
Nice to hear Mansion is that alert and confident to lobby for a play that he feels will succeed, and encouraging to see him pull it off so successfully. But it wasn’t really a zone read option play. Which really makes you think, when you go back to hearing after the @Nevada game how Mansion was tearing up the Bears D in practice that week… and the likelihood that he wasn’t reading our defense there either, but was just keeping it a lot.
Anyhow, it will be interesting to see if Ludwig works this into the offensive gameplan moving forward. Even if he does I wouldn’t expect a lot of it next week against Oregon, since presumably their defense is very comfortable defending it.
Interesting — do you have a link for that? I thought they ran it a few times, tbh, with Mansion keeping once and handing off a couple of times.
I wasn’t able to find the reference I saw this from the first time, unfortunately. There’s a link here to a Rivals article that has some conflicting details:
“We talked on the headset, and we had run that jazz play before, and I was like, ‘Hey coach, [b]I’m going to keep it because they got a guy crashing up on the line[/b],” Mansion said. “It turned into a huge play for us and kind of got our confidence up, and the sideline erupted a little bit and set up sup for another big play.From this it sounds like Mansion was planning on keeping it all the way. However:
”He was supposed to read the D-lineman and he read it perfectly," Vereen said. “I saw the D-lineman crash, and thought, ‘I hope he pulls this down and takes off,’ and he did and he was off to the races. He’s actually pretty fast, once he gets going, it takes him a little to get going, but once he does, he’s pretty fast.”To me, it sounds like Mansion planned to keep it but hadn’t told Vereen. So Mansion probably wasn’t reading the play, but otherwise it was a zone read option play. Confused?
Thanks for the link. It sounds like the official play was zone read, but Mansion decided to skip the ‘read’ part and just run with it, based on prior tendencies of Defense. Which is a kind of a read, I suppose!
Agreed
I think that describes it best. As I said, I am encouraged that Mansion was paying attention to these things, and comfortable enough to make the call that he was just going to outright keep it. But that’s not the same thing as running it a bunch of times and actually reading the defender in real time.
I don’t think we’ll see this next week unless Oregon repeats the same mistake Wazzu made, and I don’t think that is likely. However, I could see us busting it out against the Furd to great success in two weeks…
Fingers crossed
If nothing else, there’s another wrinkle that opposing DCs will have to account for that largely wasn’t there previously. If the QB will rip off twenty yards a carry left to his own devices, that’s one guy on D that can’t key on Vereen…
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Bowl games are overrated
Yes, I’d rather Cal go to a bowl than not, for all sorts of reasons. And the extra practice/exposure doesn’t hurt.
But plenty of teams in recent years have rebounded from a bowl-less season to go on a run toward the top of the BCS. The most obvious example right now would have to be Oregon, which (IIRC) as recently as 2006 failed to go bowling.
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Oregon went to a bowl that year
They got hammered there, but they went.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 8, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
My bad. I swore the Ducks tanked to a sub-.500 finish after getting blown away by all the Bears’ gold awesomeness in ’06. Those were the days.
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by California Pete on Nov 8, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
the body slam of Shane Vereen
Why wasn’t it flagged? It looked like such a dangerous play, reminding me of the body slam for which McClain of the Raiders was fined.
On the bright side, Cal players seemed more amped after that. Maybe it’s just me, but I thought the Cal players viewed that tackle as a sign of disrespect to Shane Vereen.
I agree. It was clean but I think it was unsportsmanlike. The defender was in perfect position to pull Vereen to the ground. Instead, he turned Vereen around, lifted him, and slammed him in the opposite direction. Let’s just say I think he’d be hard pressed to swear under oath “If I didn’t lift him over my head and slam him to the ground, he might have gotten away”
Sofele speed?
Anyone else notice how many times defenders caught Sofele from behind? How they made up 5-8 yards distance in less than 10? I noticed it twice, once on a return and once on a running play.
I was also wondering about this after watching the tape. Sofele has bulked up a lot but perhaps he’s lost a bit of the quickness that made him an elusive runner last yr.
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I thought he looked shiftier this week than he’s looked in the past.
by atomsareenough on Nov 8, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Definitely seems a step or two slower than he was last year.
by HelloBowlesHall on Nov 8, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
It was like Cal was just daring WSU to tie up the game, and win it. My biggest fear (when the score was 20-13) was that Cal was going to give up a touchdown, then WSU was going to go for two points and win the game (21-20). Man, wouldn’t that been one hell of a mind-blowing loss.
This scenario went through my head many many times.
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One has to also wonder how Vince D’Amato’s been progressing, and if he’ll be able to push Tavecchio for playing time at some point.
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Jed Barnett!
The walk-on kicker/punter may be our hope for the future:
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Why don’t I remember hearing his name, even in fall camp?
by atomsareenough on Nov 8, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Okanes mentioned him a couple of times. I’m guessing he’ll get his chance next year.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 8, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
In fairness, I dunno how much I’d blame Giorgio for the blocked extra point. The center of our line got completely blasted into the backfield on that play; it was kind of pathetic.
What if we tend to call certain plays with our hands signals rather than the number system or vice versa? Also when the two backup qbs use hand signals, do the fake signaler and real signaler ever switch positions during a game? If the opposing team compares the signals to the play calls early in the game, they can identify the fake signaler and ignore him the rest of the game. Also does the fake signaler give reasonable plays? Does he signal plays that don’t correspond to the formation? What if the fake signaler calls for deep max protect plays on 3rd and short or running plays on 3rd and long?
What if we tend to call certain plays with our hands signals rather than the number system or vice versa?
Yes, we do seem to call some plays with our hands more than with the number system, but this only occurs during blowout wins.
Also when the two backup qbs use hand signals, do the fake signaler and real signaler ever switch positions during a game? If the opposing team compares the signals to the play calls early in the game, they can identify the fake signaler and ignore him the rest of the game.
The two signal QBs don’t trade off giving the real signals. I’ve only seen them trade off once, and that was during a blowout win and they seemed to be doing it for fun.
Also does the fake signaler give reasonable plays? Does he signal plays that don’t correspond to the formation? What if the fake signaler calls for deep max protect plays on 3rd and short or running plays on 3rd and long?
I honestly don’t pay attention to the fake signaler so I can’t actually saw whether he signs are reasonable or not.
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Another possibility RE: telegraphing plays
You kind of touched on it at the end, but their DC could have been guessing our plays based on tendencies from situation or pattern. The play that is showed is pretty late into the game, maybe he could have picked up a pattern in the playcalling. (Simplified examples: if we passed on every 1st down, or called run-run-pass, etc)
I’m not saying that’s what happened, just saying that’s another possibility. I find your final two possibilities more likely (DC signal that looks like a passing motion but is unrelated or just warning to watch for the pass).

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