Who's Winning The Pac-10? Oregon Ducks 50-50 For BCS Title Game
(Note: Washington State preview material will be coming tomorrow morning. Sorry for the delay.)
This is the second of a three part series with Samsung Enhanced Content which will break down the relationship between technology and sports (the first part broke down Shane Vereen's first touchdown against Arizona State) Today we looked at advanced metrics (Vegas lines, heh) based on technologies available to us (online sportsbooks, yippee!) and use that to calculate win probabilities and likelihoods of who will win the 2010 Pac-10 Conference (see last week's projections!). Technology is amazing at making us all degenerates!
With Washington getting totalled by the Furd last weekend and Oregon State, this leaves only four legitimate contenders for the crown (and it's the same four from last year!):
Oregon, Oregon State, Furd, and Arizona.
Oregon and Oregon State remain in control of their own destinies. Furd and Arizona have losses to Oregon and Oregon State respectively, so they need some help...but they also matchup this weekend in a critical tilt in Palo Alto, with the loser likely relegated to dark horse status in the Pac-10 title race.
So here are the odds we and Berkelium97 calculated that would give these teams the Pac-10 title.
Odds Oregon wins the Pac-10 (most likely scenarios include winning out or winning three of four except OSU): 71.50%
Odds Oregon wins out and goes to the National Championship game: 50.28%
Odds Oregon State wins out (including beating Oregon) and heads to Pasadena: 3.843%
Odds Furd wins out and Oregon loses two: 4.354% (whew, that's a relief)
Odds Arizona wins out and Oregon State loses one: 0.3157% (yikes. Sorry Wildcats fans.)
Ducks fans should be quaking in their boots. I have no idea where the other 18% would go and would end up winning those scenarios, but let's just say that this approximation indicates Oregon is at least eight times more likely to win the Pac-10 than all the remaining contenders COMBINED.
Check our math after the jump!
Avinash: Here we go. Based on some guesstimation, previous lines, Vegas rankings, I tried to come up with win probabilities based on probable Vegas lines for our matchups.
This week's lines
Arizona +9.5 at Furd
Cal -14 at Wazzu
Washington +35 at Oregon
Oregon St -5 at UCLA
ASU +5 at USC
Projected lines
Furd -8 at ASU
Oregon -15.5 at Cal
Wazzu +28 at OSU
USC +2.5 at Arizona
UCLA +4.5 at UW
Furd -7.5 at Cal
USC +4 at OSU
UCLA +6.5 at ASU
Arizona +14 at Oregon
UW +6 at Cal
OSU +5.5 at Furd
Notre Dame +12 at USC
ASU +8.5 at AZ
Oregon -10.5 at OSU
USC -10 at UCLA
Wash -14 at Wazzu
Then using this dude's matrix of a team's win probability based on its lines, I obtained the expected win probabilities based on the line
Arizona
22.4% chance to beat Furd
50.1% chance to beat USC
17.8% chance to beat Oregon
72% chance to beat ASU
ASU
34.3% chance to beat USC
28% chance to beat Furd
67.8% chance to beat UCLA
28% chance to beat Arizona
Cal (the injury to Kevin Riley will hamper our probabilities against the Furd and Oregon)
82.2% chance to beat Wazzu
16.7% chance to beat Oregon
27.6% chance to beat Furd
66.7% chance to beat UW
Oregon
99.5% chance to beat Washington
83.3% chance to beat Cal
82.2% chance to beat Arizona
73.8% chance to beat OSU
OSU
65.7% chance to beat UCLA
97.7% chance to beat Wazzu
63.3% chance to beat USC
36.1% chance to beat Furd
26.2% chance to beat Oregon
Furd
77.6% chance to beat Arizona
72% chance to beat ASU
72.4% chance to beat Cal
63.9% chance to beat OSU
UCLA
34.3% chance to beat OSU
41.5% chance to beat Washington
32.2% chance to beat ASU
28.0% chance to beat USC
65.7% chance to beat ASU
49.9% chance to beat Arizona
36.7% chance to beat OSU
80.9% chance to beat Notre Dame
71.3% chance to beat UCLA
Washington
.5% chance to beat Oregon
58.5% chance to beat UCLA
33.3% chance to beat Cal
82.2% chance to beat Wazzu
Wazzu
17.8% chance to beat Cal
2.3% chance to beat OSU
17.8% chance to beat UW
Berkelium97 Arizona will win 1.63 more, ASU will win 1.58 more , Cal will win 1.92 more, Oregon will win 3.39 more, Oregon State will win 2.89 more, Stanford will win 2.85 more, UCLA will win 1.36 more, USC will win 2.236 more, UW will win 1.75 more, and WSU will win .379 more.
Avinash: So looking at it my way, if we just add those figures above, our final standings in-conference and over the final five weeks will be something like...
| Oregon | 4-0 or 3-1 |
9-0 or 8-1 |
| Stanfurd | 3-1 |
7-2 |
| Oregon State | 3-2 | 6-3 |
| Arizona | 2-2 or 1-3 | 6-3 or 5-4 |
| USC | 2-2 |
4-5 |
| Washington | 2-2 |
4-5 |
| California | 2-2 |
4-5 |
| Arizona State | 2-2 or 1-3 |
4-5 or 3-6 |
| UCLA | 2-2 or 1-3 |
3-6 or 2-7 |
| Washington State | 0-4 |
0-9 |
Which isn't that much different from Berkelium's projections.
Berkelium97: There are 20 games left, so we have 20 wins to distribute. Based on reasonable estimates, I'll divvy up the wins as follows:
Arizona earns 2
ASU earns 1
Cal earns 2
Oregon earns 4
OSU earns 3
Stanford earns 3
UCLA earns 1
USC earns 2
UW earns 2
and WSU earns 0
So we have for our final standings:
| Oregon | 9-0 | 12-0 |
| Stanford | 7-2 | 10-2 |
| Arizona | 6-3 | 9-3 |
| Oregon State | 6-3 | 7-5 |
| USC | 4-5 | 7-5 |
| Washington | 4-5 | 5-7 |
| California | 4-5 | 6-6 |
| Arizona State | 3-6 | 5-7 |
| UCLA | 2-7 | 4-8 |
| Washington State | 0-9 | 1-11 |
Oregon: National Championship Game
Stanfurd: Alamo Bowl (Boise/TCU probably ends up in Pasadena)
Oregon State: Holiday Bowl
Arizona: Sun Bowl
Cal: Las Vegas Bowl.
If Oregon loses a game, it'll probably end up with the Ducks in Pasadena (none of the bowl opponents change).
Finally, there are no rosy scenarios for the Bears. Cal has been eliminated from the Pac-10 race. Berkelium broke it down.
Berkelium97: Cal has been mathematically eliminated from the Rose Bowl. There is no way Oregon will lose twice more (in addition to losing to Cal), OSU will lose three more, Arizona will lose three more, and Stanford will lose once more (in addition to losing to Cal).
Pasadena will wait another year.
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God, so this year the 3rd place team may head to the Rose Bowl.
Kill me.
CGB: Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift.
Yeah nvm. I somehow had it in my head that USC might get 2nd.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 5, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if USC does get second, Furd would have to lose twice, and they probably need to win-out to get a BCS bid (unless Boise, TCU, Utah all trip up, because they’d go to Pasadena instead).
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 5, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Normally I’d be outraged but this year I’m glad to hear that.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 5, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I know. If this were ANY other Pac-10 team I’d probably be angry.
But…I can let this slide.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 5, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a good thing I have already emotionally checked out of college football this season
Otherwise I might do myself a mischief involving cyanide, carbon monoxide, a .45 and a large quantity of high-grade 1970s pornography.
(Seriously, Riley tears an ACL, Warren Norman breaks a wrist, Auburn is on track for the national championship game AND the Furd could go to Pasadena? God HATES me.)
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
Thanks
Sigh. Thanks for that last bit re our chances for roses. I need to be told this every year very explicitly.
Wazzu already won a game this year. Not a Pac-10 game, but they beat Montana State. So, they’d be 1-11, not 0-12.
Fixed
Good thing you spotted the error before one of the guys from Coug Center did—they might get catty about that kind of mistake.
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach
Hahah, I wouldn’t blame them. I mean, what else do they have to cling to?
by atomsareenough on Nov 5, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as Cal goes to a bowl game and stanfurd doesn't go to the Rose
I will be a very happy man.
I wouldn’t mind a trip to Vegas. I would much prefer that to the Sun Bowl.
Flagged! Cal beating Furd is what matters!
Stop talking about bowl games!
Stand the whole game, stay to the end, and start yelling while they're still in the huddle. GO BEARS
by JerrottWillard45 on Nov 5, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Technically we only have to be 6-6 to be bowl eligible and it looks like the Pac10
isn’t going to fill all of its bowl tie-ins, so as long as we get to 6 wins we more than likely go to some bowl game.
I would rather win those three games and get some momentum going into bowl season.
I just figured that 6-6 = Kraft Bowl and 7-5 = Vegas. I haven’t really researched all the different scenarios. If good Cal doesn’t make the trip to Wazzu, it won’t matter.
Old Toothwrangler
Well right now four Pac10 (Oregon, OSU, Arizona, furd) teams are bowl eligible
WSU is already eliminated from a bowl. That leaves four Pac10 teams (Cal, Washington, UCLA, ASU) left to fill the last two spots. ASU has to win 7 games (because it beat two cupcakes) to get to bowl eligibility, they are going to have a tough time winning three of their last four.
If Cal can get to six wins (I would prefer seven) we will most likely be going to Vegas.
We projected Cal in LV
That’s why we did the research for you! Don’t you read our posts???
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 5, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Aren't your final standings incorrect? Wouldn't Cal be ahead of Washington?
Unless you are predicting we lose to Washington.
I can’t believe (or, maybe I simply won’t allow myself to believe) that Zona and OSU have as a better chance of beating $C than Furd. I mean, I know the Harblows are a good team this year, but they barely squeaked by $C (and even needed blatant clock-management cheating to do so), basically got pistol-whipped by Oregon, and looked overall feh in handling Wazzu.
Something tells me that Furd experiences some rudeness at the hands of both OSU and Zona. My gut says OSU finds their way into 2nd place and the Rose Bowl.
Being an Old Blue means fearing any athletic success.
I think the Furd were favored by a TD in their game. So they had like a 66-68% chance to beat USC. So you are indeed correct that Zona and OSU’s win probabilities are lower than Furd’s.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 5, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
No, that’s actually not what I meant. I mean, I have a hard time believing that the math says both OSU and Zona have a better chance of beating $C than they do of beating Furd.
Basically, Furd doesn’t have the look of a team that can stop an offense, and their offense is stoppable. I like the chances of Zona’s D getting after the harblows, and think Foles can dink and dunk on the furdies. And, OSU is starting to gel offensively more and more, and Katz could very well have his super-breakout game by out-Lucking Luck.
Of course, I may just be deluding myself.
Being an Old Blue means fearing any athletic success.
Nope I am in the same boat you are
I am hoping Arizona beats furd this weekend to bring the furd back down to the farm.
Zona and OSU have to go to Palo Alto. USC has to go to Tucson and Corvallis. Homefield advantage matters.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 5, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I get that, but even with whatever homefield advantage 35 fans may give the harblows, I still reckon better than a puncher’s chance for Zona and/or the Beavs to get a win.
I’m not disputing the math, but just because the equations point in a certain direction doesn’t make it so.
Being an Old Blue means fearing any athletic success.
Doesn’t the Rose Bowl have to take non-AQ teams this year? If the Ducks go to the National Championship game, then wouldn’t a 2nd place ’Furd, OSU, or Arizona team be screwed?
by atomsareenough on Nov 5, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Furd needs to win out and hope all the non-AQ's lose to have a prayer at the at-large
OSU if they won out could screw up a lot of things, because they’d win the Pac-10 regardless.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 5, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
So… we should be rooting for Boise State against Nevada, and for either TCU or Utah to win out?
by atomsareenough on Nov 5, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, unless Furd loses to someone(s), then I’d rather have a second Pac10 team in the Rose Bowl than a non-AQ
"Remember the Maine! TO HELL WITH STANFORD!"
So… I think you’re saying that you’d rather see Oregon State or Arizona in the Rose Bowl than Utah or Boise State or TCU.
BTW, what if there’s only 1 non-AQ school that could go to a BCS? Would the Rose Bowl try to pick a Pac-10 school or a Big 10 school for the other spot?
by atomsareenough on Nov 5, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The Rose Bowl made an agreement that if they lost one of the PAC10 or BIG10 champs to a national title game in any of the next three years, they would replace that team with the highest ranking nonAQ (assuming the nonAQ was otherwise BCS eligible). If Oregon goes to the national championship game this year, that means the Rose Bowl will be obligated to match the highest ranked nonAQ with the BIG10 champ.
Unless the highest-ranked nonAQ is in the national championship game, in which case the Rose Bowl is free to take whatever at-large team they want to replace Oregon.
Clear as mud? ;)
Oregon State and Arizona’s chances at going to Pasadena are monumentally slim. You should probably root for the non-AQs to win out to keep the Furd out of the Rose Bowl.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 5, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
They both have to play at Palo Alto. A loss there gravely damages their hopes.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 5, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Whereas Furd will be favored to win the remainder of their games.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 5, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Stanfurd really have a homefield advantage?
by atomsareenough on Nov 5, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions

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