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Most Cal fans agree that Steve Marshall should go, but who should replace him?

I'm in the camp that most of our offensive struggles are due to the lackluster offensive line play and the buck for this mostly stops at our offensive line coach, Steve Marshall. I think this season we see a lot of changes in the coaching ranks and I think (note the emphasis) the first person to go must be Steve Marshall. But this begs the question of who is best fit to replace him? Tedford could hire a NFL re-tread (though that hasn't worked out well for him), an out of job college coach, bring back one of his excellent linemen from the earlier era or poach a coach from a currently high performing team. In my opinion the best bet would be to go for the latter strategy: steal a coach!

In this post I'll try to see which teams currently have high performing OL coaches and how much they are currently being paid. It's mostly filled with my ramblings because this was at one point just a DBD comment, so that said here we go...

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My criteria in looking at the best performing OL coaches is to look at sacks allowed, rushing yards per game and average yards per carry (thanks to sec119 for the suggestion). I reserve the right to ignore spread offense teams that mostly run with their QB (that means Auburn, Nebraska - one Helu game doesn't count, Meechegan, and GT are out) plus any crappy teams (Marshall, SDSU...). I'll include Nevada because they kicked our asses and OSU because of the opinion that they train up nerds into homecoming queens. All stats are from cfbstats.com

Top teams in terms of sacks allowed:

#T-2 Oregon (3)
#T-2 Utah (3)
#T-2 Stanford (3)
#T-2 Michigan (3)
#T-6 Boise St (4)
#T-9 Nevada (5)
#T-9 TCU (5)
#T-12 Wisconsin (6)
#T-21 USC (9)
#T-69 Oregon St (17)

Rushing yds per game:

#3 Oregon (311)
#5 Nevada (300.88)
#9 TCU (270)
#12 Stanfurd (223.75)
#13 Wisconsin (221.38)
#17 Boise St (214.29)
#21 USC (200.50)
#27 Utah (191.50)
#88 Oregon St (131.57)

Rushing yds per carry (YPC):

#2 Oregon (6.51)
#5 Nevada (6.32)
#6 TCU (5.74)
#8 USC (5.65)
#9 Florida St (5.64)
#11 Boise (5.59)
#13 Furd (5.42)
#18 Bama (5.32)
#19 Utah (5.28)
#21 Wisc (5.21)
#83 Oregon St (3.82)

For comparison, Cal:

18 sacks allowed (#81)
158.75 yds/gm (#50)
4.35 yds/carry (#55)

What this doesn't show is the amount of times the QB is pressured but the fact that almost all the teams listed above are ranked highly while Cal is an unimpressive .500 with the starting QB out for the season, shows that they have good OLs.

Now let's see how much some of these coaches are getting paid. The data is from 2009 because that's the latest I could find. It includes the base pay plus extra income but does not include bonus.

Steve Greatwood (Ore) – $200,000
Tim Drevno (Furd) ???
Blake Miller (Utah) $125,000
Chris Strausser (Boise) $204,725
Eddie Williamson (TCU) ???
Bob Bostad (Wisc) $199,504
Cameron Norcross (Nev) $70,710
James Cregg (USC) ???
Mike Cavanaugh (OSU) $200,004.

Couldn’t find salaries from private schools, but let's assume it’s near $200k because that seems to be range.

For comparison this is what Cal pays our offensive coaches:

Steve Marshall $200,000
Ron Gould $160,320
Andy Ludwig $248,000
Jeff Tedford ($1,225,000 base + $1,528,500 other =) $2,807,500 (total). Also has a max bonus of $265,000

Surprisingly we pay Steve Marshall about how much the other schools pay their OL coaches. Which means we can potentially offer any new hires a competitive salary. Now if Tedford is willing to give up between $50k-$100 of his salary (and really when you have a $2.8mil salary I'd assume that's a drop in the bucket) then we can offer between $250k-$300k to the OL coach. And if Ludwig complains we either tell him STFU or offer half of what Tedford gives up (leaving $225k-$250k for the OL coach which is great). I think with this naive view we can honestly offer up one of these existing coaches and get them to coach at Cal.

I'm leaning towards Eddie Williamson from TCU. How about you?

Poll
Who should be the next Cal OL coach?
Steve Greatwood (Ore)
7 votes
Tim Drevno (Furd)
5 votes
Blake Miller (Utah)
3 votes
Chris Strausser (Boise)
9 votes
Eddie Williamson (TCU)
12 votes
Bob Bostad (Wisc)
3 votes
Cameron Norcross (Nev)
3 votes
James Cregg (USC)
1 votes
Mike Cavanaugh (OSU)
5 votes
Other college coach
1 votes
NFL coach
3 votes
Somebody else
2 votes
Keep Steve Marshall
6 votes

60 votes | Poll has closed

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I’m leary of non-BCS coaches b/c I’m not sold their resumes say “our MO works week in and week out against tough competition.” Still, hard to think that guys coming from great coaches/programs like Boise St, TCU, and Nevada.

However, Nevada and Oregon run schemes that result in the QB not being sacked and are run-oriented. Perhaps that’s the beauty of run-oriented offenses: as long as you don’t get penalized, you’re frequently getting positive yardage.

So I say adopt a run-oriented offense or hire a pro-style O-line coach with good success at the AQ-BCS level.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Nov 1, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Which is why I mostly focused on pro-style teams outside of Oregon (because they’re #1) and Nevada (because they kicked their ass)

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 1, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bear in mind that offering a “competitive” salary may not be enough to lure coaches from areas that have significantly lower cost of living. The idea of Tedford giving up some of his salary would be really awesome, but I honestly don’t know how realistic that is. Also, looking at the list you’ve compiled (thanks for that btw — very interesting), I don’t how many people would view a move to Cal as a big enough step up to justify packing up and moving their families.Most of those programs are pretty glamorous, well-known programs, with the exception of Nevada, OSU, and maybe Utah (though they’re definitely a step above us right now).

I honestly think hiring an NFL coach isn’t as bad for the OL as for other positions, since Tedford seems to prefer a pro-style offense anyway. I do, however, think going down the “experienced/veteran coach retread” path is not the best way at this point. We seem to have struck out with most of our recent hires of this type.

by boomtho on Nov 2, 2010 12:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m really going to put myself down for “not having a God damned idea” for knowing how to hire an offensive line coach.

Do his schemes fit with Tedford’s offense?
Do the type of players he likes to coach and recruit fit at Cal?
Do I want someone who teaches technique or scheme?
Do I want small, mobile offensive linemen or giant road paving hogs?
Do I want raw talent to be coached up – or am I looking for guys who already have skills that can be implemented into the o-line right away?

I don’t have a clue as to how Tedford would answer those questions – and I don’t think look at results of how people perform at different schools with different circumstances would give you a clear picture as to how they would perform those duties in Tedford’s offense at Cal.

by LeonPowe on Nov 2, 2010 1:04 AM PDT reply actions  

great post.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Nov 2, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ron Gould for Pope! That guy is amazing and I support him going pretty much everywhere save for, I guess, head coach!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Ron Gould spending less time with our running backs something we want?

by sec119 on Nov 2, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

More importantly I don’t think Ron Gould has greater ambitions to be OC. Based on his superb performance and the fact that he has stayed RB coach for so long, my guess is he’s perfectly happy where he is.

by BeareatsTacos on Nov 4, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Give Ed White a call first and see if he’s interested since he might be retired at his age. He was Holmoe’s line coach (blasphemous I know) and was an excellent recruiter, bringing in guys like Marvin Philip and Ryan O’Callaghan. 4 time Pro Bowler and All-American at Cal in 1968. Can’t beat these credentials.

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by CaliforniaEternal on Nov 2, 2010 7:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Great recruiter, but didn’t he suck at development?

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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 3, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was only there for the last 3 years of the Holmoe regime. He really laid the groundwork for Tedford’s early success with the OL. I’m not sure if there were any specific reasons JT didn’t retain him like he did Ron Gould. I though he was actually better at player development and scouting than recruiting the big names.

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by CaliforniaEternal on Nov 3, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

also, my step dad’s fraternity brother at Cal

Great guy and I was excited when he got hired at Cal, but I remember him not doing all that well in terms of strategy

"Remember the Maine! TO HELL WITH STANFORD!"

by CruzinBears on Nov 3, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

i remember he left because of the OC offer and (probably) the chance to go back home to WA, so i dont think there was any bad blood between him and Tedford.

the Raiders o-line looked pretty bad to begin the season. couldn’t pass block, undisciplined, etc. I was also hoping that Cable giving play calling to Jackson would bring him back to being more hands on with the o-line and more personally responsible for it. all signs maybe pointed to Coach M being available…. then the domination of the last 2 games came. =(

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by nativeson on Nov 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT reply actions  

That would be awesome, but something tells me life rarely works out that way (coming back to a job you left). I will still hold out hope with you, however!

by SonofCalifornia on Nov 5, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way I want to make it clear that this was just a set of random thoughts (it was a comment in the DBD!) and not my 100% belief on this matter. There is so much that we don’t know since we are not Tedford or Ludwig. Carry on.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 3, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

I still think this is valuable

Even though it’s speculative, at least we can see what kind of coaches we can get for roughly the same salary. I have faith Tedford has learned a lesson with Marshall and hopefully won’t make a mistake in his next hire.

And I think most of us can say with some certainty that player development and technique are must-haves at the college level. If we bring in an NFL OL coach, he’d better have some experience here.

by BeareatsTacos on Nov 4, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a good post.

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by Rishi on Nov 4, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind that $200k in Corvallis is not the same as $200k in the East Bay.

by GBB4188 on Nov 5, 2010 6:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, there’s no Top Dog in Corvallis.

by LeonPowe on Nov 7, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

We already have alot of ex-Oregon people on staff. Tedford hired Akili Smith this year to be an administrative assistant. Lets get some more people with a passion for Cal, like Tosh on staff.

by JoeCarr on Nov 7, 2010 6:57 PM PST reply actions  

Keep Marshall for now

I’m not convinced that throwing Marshall out with the bath water is the right approach. Instead of simply blaming the coach, here are what I see as the bigger issues:

For one, from spring training through this past Saturday, our offensive line has been a merry-go-round of guys rotating positions, just like they did last year. This has to stop, but can only stop when either Marshall decides to do so, or guys clearly cement themselves as fixtures at a given position, or both.

Second, the scheme may be too complicated. Yes, this is on the coach, but that doesn’t mean the coach can’t throw the scheme out and make things more simplified. If the strategy doesn’t work, change the strategy. You don’t necessarily need to replace the personnel to do so.

Drinking the Kool-Aid. Pumping the sunshine. Livin' the dream. Go Bears!

by dballisloose on Nov 8, 2010 9:20 AM PST reply actions  

dunno, Oregon rotates its players faster than we do, and do quite a good job… So i’m still saying it’s Marshall’s fault

no cal bear? no care

by EchoOfSilence on Nov 9, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he meant rotated between positions, i.e. right guard → left tackle → left guard → etc.

Not rotating in the two deep at the same position, i.e. swapping 1st and 1st and half string left tackle.

by OaktownAggie on Nov 12, 2010 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

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