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Cal vs. Arizona State Post-Game Thoughts

(1) Tedford was showing a bit more fire and emotion.  Maybe it's because he can feel the heat and criticism following last week's huge loss to USC.  Maybe it's because his seat has never been warmer than ever before (even warmer than 2007).  But against Arizona State, I felt like we were seeing a slightly different Tedford.  Prior to the kickoff, Tedford came over to the sidelines, jumped on the stone bench in front of the student section, faced the students, raised his fist in the air, and yelled some words of encouragement.  The students noticed, saw this, and cheered in response. 

Later in the game, Tedford also got pretty heated at Riley (QB #13).  On one particular passing play when the team was driving towards the south end zone, Riley scrambled to his left (towards the east sideline) and had room to run for at least five easy yards of gain and perhaps even a first down.  Instead though, Riley kept looking down the field, and passed the ball wide out of bounds for an incompletion.  This play occurred right in front of the student section.  Every student in that section could see the free yardage sitting right in front of Riley that he didn't take.  Tedford, of course, saw this too, came out 10 yards onto the field, yelled some words at Riley, and motioned with his hand that Riley should have just scrambled and taken the free yardage. It was hard to see Tedford's face from the distance I was at, but you could just see the anger, frustration, and emotion in his body language.

It's been a while since we've seen Tedford get really emotional and pissed during games.  We've also rarely seen him interact directly with the crowd prior/after a game (I can only remember he thanked the students after the 2006 Oregon game).  So the fact that he's doing some things seems to suggest even he realizes that things might be on the line more than ever before.  After all, the team is middling at .500, its passing game has been struggling, and the toughest part of Cal's schedule is coming up. 

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(2) One of Riley's best games in a while.  Riley was 19/28 (67.9%), with a 8.6 yard per attempt, two touchdowns, and zero interceptions.  Statistically, this is one of Riley's best games in a while.  Most people might be inclined to say that Riley did "great" this game, but upon closer review, I think he was only "serviceable."  Mostly, I'm going to have to nitpick on Riley's deep balls.  At least two, perhaps even three, of his deep throws were a little underthrown which prevented sure touchdowns.  In particular, the deep pass play to Cal WR #1 Jones right before halftime which got Cal down to the six yard line or so.  That pass was slightly underthrown to the point where Jones had to slow down to make the catch, and preventing a touchdown.  Of course, subsequently Cal was forced to kick a field goal. 

Riley still also was a little off on his lateral passing (east-west passing).  He missed an easy playaction bootleg pass to the fullback.  On another bootleg pass play his pass to Cal WR #3 J. Ross was behind Ross.  Fortunately, Ross one-handed the ball despite it being behind him and ran for yardage.  These are easy passes which should be spot on, yet still aren't guaranteed passes due to Riley being completely spot on.  A few more errors: not seeing an open TE #80 Miller in the flat while close to the red zone, and taking a sack and not getting rid of the ball while in the red zone.

While I've harped on the negative, Riley did also have some positive.  He didn't turn the ball over.  He made some great throws.  The touchdown pass to Cal WR #21 K. Allen in the southwest corner of the endzone was ridiculous.  That was quite the "thread the needle" pass.  There was so little daylight in that passing lane with huge potential for an interception, but Riley got it in there.  The deep passes to Jones, while underthrown, were still good displays of Riley recognizing that Jones had the defender beat.

Despite the positive numbers from Riley, I'm still concerned about Cal's passing game.  It seems, since Riley has become QB, the Cal passing game has become somewhat simple.  Maybe "simple" isn't the right word, because I'm sure certain aspects of the Cal passing game are quite complex.  But what I'm trying to get at, is that most of Cal's passing game seems to have been reduced to screen passes, hitches, go routes off of playaction, and on rare occasion the slant.  These are all fairly short routes which are quick developing, and don't really require extensive and prolonged dropbacks and reading of the coverage.  We don't really see some of the longer passing routes like digs, deep outs, posts, flags, post-corners, etc.  Why is that?  The main reasons for avoiding those longer passing routes is because the offensive line can't hold up in pass protection long enough, or the QB has trouble passing those deeper routes against defenses (for whatever reason).  In my opinion, the Cal passing game nowadays is very different than what it was in 2006 and 2007 when Cal had Longshore as QB -- and I think it's because Longshore had the abilities to be a greater passing threats on some of those deeper routes we no longer see. 

(3) Cal CB #1 S. Williams takes over as a starting CB over Cal CB #26 D. Hagan.  I mentioned last week that I was fairly impressed with Williams' performance against USC.  It turns out, that Williams didn't only catch my eye, but also the eye of the coaches who then promoted him to starting CB in replacement of Hagan.  Williams' immediately disappointed us all (joking) with his failed interception on the very first offensive play of the game by deflecting an underthrown rainbow pass sure-interception up into the air for an Arizona State completion.  Williams should have intercepted that ball.  At the least he should have just swatted it down to the ground.  However, I think the reason why he accidentally deflected the ball up into the air was because he was wearing a cast on one hand (he was wearing a cast against USC last week too which also prevented an INT).  He couldn't catch the ball.  He tried, but the ball just bounced off his hand and cast, right over his head into the waiting hands of the Arizona State WR.  Oh well, life happens.  Other than that, Williams looked to do just fine the rest of the game. 

But what about Hagan?  Arizona State uses a lot of 3 WR sets (11 personnel).  Cal defensive coordinator Pendergast decided to counter with Cal's nickel package.  That meant Cal would have three CBs out on the field.  Hagan still didn't even get playing time in the nickel package.  Instead, we saw Anthony, Hill, and Williams at CB.  I'm not sure if this is a permanent thing that Hagan has fallen to #4 on the depth chart, or if the coaching staff just liked the matchups better with the other Cal defenders on the field for this one game.  This should be something to look out for in future games. 

(4) Cal safety #11 S. Cattouse, in appropriate Halloween spirit, has a monster game.  Geez, Cattouse was wrecking people all over the field today.  He was breaking on the ball perfectly to just decapitate some ball carriers and ball recipients.  Not to mention his interception was just ridic.  It's good to see him performing well despite losing some playing time to Hill earlier this season.  Hopefully his high level of play keeps up over the season.

(5) Cal kickoff coverage has taken a dip lately.  Kickoff coverage against USC wasn't that great.  Same against Arizona State.  It looks like Arizona State's kick returns were really aggressive in their kick returns (just like USC's).  They would just go full speed ahead right into the coverage attempting to slip through any daylight they could see.  By doing this, they are setting themselves up for huge returns should they break the coverage.  Additionally, it sort of forces the defenders to slow down on their coverage so they don't overrun the play and let the ball carrier just run right by them.  On the other hand, the speedy ball carriers are also setting themselves up for receiving huge hits by the coverage team.  High risk, high reward. 

(6) Genyk teaching some new coverage technique.  At the game, I noticed our defenders using some interesting coverage technique to get to the ball carrier. Cal's defenders closest to the sidelines, when cutting in towards the center of the field towards the kickoff returner, would dip their inner shoulder and keep their upper body facing the endzone and away from the ball carrier (instead of the turning their upper body towards the kick returner), thus leaving their back towards the center of the field and to offensive blockers.  So imagine a kickoff coverage defender on the far right of the formation.  If the ball carrier goes towards the middle of the field or the left side of the field, then the defender will angle his lower body so he's running towards the ball carrier but he will keep his upper body facing towards the endzone, or even towards the *right* sideline so his upper body is facing away from the ball carrier (so that his back is to the kickoff blockers).  This technique prevents the kickoff blockers from blocking this defender, because if they do then they will draw a "block to the back" penalty.

This technique is used frequently in various aspects of football.  For example, on defense the outside linebackers will often angle themselves inwards and towards the center of the field pre-snap, so that they cannot be blocked in the back by WRs on crackback blocks.  If they are blocked in the back, then it increases the chances of drawing a penalty on the offense for the block in the back, or clipping. 

Anyways, I haven't this kickoff coverage technique when Alamar was around.  I think this is something that Cal special teams coach Genyk brought in with him.

(7) In a huge surprise, Cal QB #10 B. Mansion, sees playing time instead of Cal QB #9 B. Sweeney.  First of all, it was a surprise to see a backup QB at all this game.  I mean, in last week's huge loss to USC, Tedford still didn't even play a backup QB to get some playing time.  Of course, Tedford explained himself saying that he didn't want the starters to leave the game on such a negative note, and that he wanted them to get points on the board to take something positive away from that game.  But this game was different in that Cal was winning, and the starting players already had plenty of positives to take away from this game.  Thus, the starters came out and the backups came in.  What surprised all Cal fans though, was that Mansion came in instead of Sweeney.  What is this about?  Sweeney has been sitting pretty at #2 since last season.  Did Mansion do something in practice this week to boost him back into the #2 spot all of a sudden?  Tedford had this to say:

"He has been more consistent (than Beau Sweeney), that is a competitive spot. He has been more consistent in practice and throwing the ball better."

So it looks like Mansion is the new #2. 

(8) I liked the way Ludwig was getting the ball to Cal WR #21 K. Allen early, and also to Cal TE #80 A. Miller.  Cal seemingly got the ball to K. Allen six times within the first two quarters.  Getting the ball into your play maker's hands early will get them pumped up, increase some confidence, and force the defense to take notice of that player and thus opening things up elsewhere on the field.  Of course, getting the ball to the playmaker is all dependent on that player being open.  Ludwig was able to satisfy this constraint by getting the ball to Allen on screens rather than forcing the ball down the field. 

As for Miller, he caught a pass on (what is basically) a throwback screen.  This play is a natural progression from Cal's sprint out play which it ran a few weeks ago against UCLA.  On that play, Cal had Riley in shotgun, with three WRs to Riley's right, and only Miller to the left on the end of the offensive line.  Riley sprinted out right on the QB movement, to pass to the right.  Miller provided backside protection with the offensive line.  The entire UCLA defense moved with the flow of the offense and there wasn't a single defender covering Miller -- who was an eligible receiver.  On Saturday, against Arizona State, Cal shows this same look.  It looks like a sprint out, the QB runs to his right, the entire defense shifts to follow the sprint, but then they forget about the tight end on the backside who is left completely alone for an easy gain. Simple stuff.  Ludwig is scheming. 

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Re: Williams

Can’t believe Steve jumped Darian. Hagan is the best corner we have. The likelier possibility is Hagan is probably injured and is limited in his mobility. He didn’t play much against USC, and I think the staff is throwing Williams out there because they know Hagan’s health is a variable factor and he just isn’t up-to-speed yet. Giving Williams in-game experience can help this team down the road, even if there are some bumps in the road like that first play of the game. I imagine if Hagan is healthy he’ll regain his starting spot and Williams will move back to the backup corner or play the nickelback spot while Nnabuife recovers.

For people who are critical of Tedford not “playing young talent”, Williams seeing time over the experienced Hagan should clear some of those misconceptions. We play whoever plays the best in practice. That’s always how we go.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 25, 2010 3:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I tend to agree, but Hagan sure looks healthy jumping up on Cattouse in the photo above.

Cal Football: it is what it is.

by OskiMonsta on Oct 25, 2010 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thougth there were news reports saying he wasn’t healthy.

by sec119 on Oct 25, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I heard this too

"Remember the Maine! TO HELL WITH STANFORD!"

by CruzinBears on Oct 25, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me three. I think he was supposedly limited in practice.

by atomsareenough on Oct 25, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t he have a minor hamstring problem?

by mrjpark on Oct 25, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Hagen isn’t healthy why was he in on Special Teams?

I didn’t see the USC game (thankfully) but maybe Hagen had a bad enough game, and Williams did well enough, for the staff to move Williams up (even if temporarily) to light a spark under Hagen?

After all, pretty much everyone was so dispirited with the play of the starters (for the most part) last week that there were suggestions that backups should have been played. Maybe that’s what we saw here, just a little later after some film from the USC game was digested.

by abaddon on Oct 25, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t see the USC game (thankfully) but maybe Hagen had a bad enough game

i thought Hagan started but got injured in that USC game.

by JustBear on Oct 25, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hagan looked like he got injured during the USC game.

by Shadwhand on Oct 25, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

But then why even throw him out there on special teams, which is even more high risk?

by dchu on Oct 25, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hagan and Gameplanning

His injury probably kept him out a significant portion of the week (Tues and Weds), which meant that he didn’t take part in the LIVE portion of installation of the gameplan.

Basically, his injury against USC could have kept him out of the installation process for ASU.

Of course, he already knows his roles on STs, and was 100% healthy (or close to it) for ASU.

by happabearfan on Oct 25, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good explanation.

by dchu on Oct 25, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I saw hagan on kickoff coverage, and he made that tackle at 1 and was subsequently shaken up in the north end zone. I believe the play was late in the 2nd half.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 25, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tedford confirmed on the Joe Starkey postgame show that williams’ near-INT bounced off his cast. I think he was a little nervous since they tested him early and Threet threw him an absolute gift.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 25, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hagan did play

But he played with the second unit. So he’s probably healthy enough to play, just not healthy enough to start.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 25, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Riley

Regardless of how one chooses to characterize the deep balls he threw, he had at least two “thread the needle” type throws on Saturday. One was to Keenan Allen for the TD that Hydro mentions above; the other was the pass to Mike Calvin near the ASU sideline to convert a 3rd down in the 3rd quarter (the series that ultimately ended in the punt block for an ASU TD).

Yes, I am an Old Blue. Now get off my lawn.

by Ohio Bear on Oct 25, 2010 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also the 3rd and long to Ross on the rollout in the 1st quarter to keep that drive moving.

Only “bad” throws I saw were overthrow of Vereen in endzone, short hop to KA on bubble screen, and lead Kapp a little far on FB screen pass. Guys miss sometimes. I’ll take that any day.

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by Kodiak on Oct 25, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

The TD to Allen scared the piss out of me. It was very weird, but that play seemed to happen in slow motion as I was watching, and I even said aloud with fear and dread something to the effect of, “Oh, god – Riley can’t be throwing into that kind of tight coverage!”

Now, if this were Rodgers throwing the ball, I would have likely had a ton of confidence in the completion. But sad to say the fact that I had such agita watching this throw indicates the level of confidence I have right now in Riley. And that just sucks, because I kinda like Riley’s feistiness.

Being an Old Blue means fearing any athletic success.

by SoCal Oski on Oct 25, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

if this were Rodgers throwing the ball, I would have likely had a ton of confidence in the completion.

I know what you mean. Aaron Rodgers’ concept of someone being “open” is different than that of your average quarterback.

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by Ohio Bear on Oct 25, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

His idea of “open” is “OMG Jared Allen is in my face. Give him the ball!”

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Oct 25, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

yea, i didnt know what had happened in that TD pass to Allen at first. Like that confused girl.
That pass was very Rodgers-esque.

by JustBear on Oct 25, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The “thread the needle” throws don’t exactly inspire confidence that Tedford’s offense is easy to replicate and run.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 25, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, this doesn’t even make any sense at all. Perhaps if every throw the QB had to make were required to be a “thread the needle” pass, yes. That is hardly the case.

I saw several nice “threaded” passes by the Oregon QB against Stanford, for example. Does that make you think that these passes are required to run the Oregon offense effectively?

by abaddon on Oct 25, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

With respect to playing your best guys it o-line… it sounds like there are necessarily clear-cut “best” guys. It sounds like these Galas/MSG and Tompek-Guarnero/Edwards are good at different things. You’d hope for more all-around versatile play, but if we have specialized players that’s wha we got. Although I don’t know it speaks well to coaching/talent evaluation (Marshall?) that we’re still experimenting with line-ups to see what works this late in the season.

by dchu on Oct 25, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

*aren’t

;)

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Oct 25, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed on calling out the fans, it wasn’t exactly ideal conditions out there. Anyway, on the blocked punt it seems like Genyk likes the asymmetrical line-up on occasion, with Anger rolling to his right rugby-style. I don’t like it, since it’s seemed for the last few games that the defense can just run straight to the point where they expect the punt to actually be kicked, and that’s what happened this time.

by sec119 on Oct 25, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kodiak

I totally agree with your point #7, I think Ludwig & Tedford have done a solid job in play calling to maximize our strengths and get the offense moving, despite a less than great O-line. To me that has been the biggest (and saddest) story line of the Bears in 2009-10; superb running backs hampered by less than great O-line play. It makes what Vereen does every week all the more impressive, but this would be a much scarier team for the opposition if we had solid line play.

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by Cugel on Oct 25, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

And when Riley gets time, he actually hits his passes as long as they’re down the field. Throwing a screen is still a coin flip and seems like it always will be.

by mrjpark on Oct 25, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

This. So eff’n this.

Rec’d

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by CruzinBears on Oct 25, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like you.

CGB: Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 25, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

c+p in a fanpost for me to rec again and have avi baby move to fanpost hof.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 25, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Completely disagree

First of all, Tedford was calling out the entire fan base, not just the fair weather fans. As Kodiak noted, instead of saying he noticed some fans have lost faith and some fans are questioning the coaching [NOT the heart of players as he mentioned—-haven’t even heard that from the most vocal critics here], he chose to lump ALL of us together, including those of us who relentlessly defend Tedford and have been attending games since the 90s, including many many miserable rainy day games, never leaving early. Screw that. I’m offended by his comments. Call out fair weather fans if you want but don’t lump everyone together and turn this into an us-against-the-world scenario when that simply isn’t true.

by SonofCalifornia on Oct 26, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

And this isn’t about candor vs. sugar coating, it’s about getting the facts straight and not throwing your entire fan base under the bus.

by SonofCalifornia on Oct 26, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Conte

Just slightly OT, but you know, as I reflected on this game (and this season), I’ve actually really come to appreciate the level of play and the stabilizing force that Conte has brought to the secondary.

More than that, I’m really susprised. Honestly, there was nothing in his play the last three years that would have made me believe he could become the most consistent and reliable guy back there. There were so many games in the last couple of seasons in which he looked confused, slow, or just plain over-matched – always catching up to the play or needing some help to not get embarrassed.

It’s pretty clear that the move from DB to safety really suits him. Good grief, but this kid seems all over the field now, from being a very solid pass defender to being vital in coming up for key run support.

It’s really nice to see him finally start living up to the promise and hype he had as that recruit who saw the light and abandoned Ucla.

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by SoCal Oski on Oct 25, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

I think he was miscast as a CB and forced into it because a lack of depth at that position and decent depth at safety. Definitely no Jason Sehorn revival. But I agree, he looks damn impressive as a safety.

by dchu on Oct 25, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

The man has come to play the last couple games. I’ve never been as down on him as I’ve read on the webs, but I will say he was one of the few guys who came out last week and then he continued it this week.

by HelloBowlesHall on Oct 25, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I never expected I would be loving Conte this much. In the preseason when he was moved to safety, i remember everyone being worried. (We had absolutely no depth there before Hill moved over)

Anyways, my most memorable play of Conte in his first 3 years had been, DeSean Jackson’s punt return TD vs. Tenn. in 2007 opener, Conte’s first game. Herby said “Colquitt, he’s just gonna slam somebody’s head cuz hes frustrated” that was Conte’s head.

by JustBear on Oct 25, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we talk about KA21

And that monstrous stiff-arm hurdle he had? (even though it was neutralized)

That is a move for the ages.

by Shadwhand on Oct 25, 2010 8:54 AM PDT reply actions  

“Maybe it’s because his seat has never been warmer than ever before (even warmer than 2007). "

Passive voice and nonsensical syntax. Way to put that Berkeley degree to work, Hydro! ;)

I don’t know what to make of the Hagan thing. Dude still had 6 tackles according to ESPN, so he can’t be that injured. Unless he played that terribly against USC or had a partial benching for violation of team rules I can’t see why his reps decreased.

I only got to catch the 3rd quarter and the first half of the 4th. Gonna go back on the game film when I get the chance.

by dchu on Oct 25, 2010 9:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Interesting analysis
and I think it’s because Longshore had the abilities to be a greater passing threats on some of those deeper routes we no longer see.

Wasn’t Riley supposed to have more zip on his passes though? I don’t understand this either.

The kickoff coverage is more of a concern. We really don’t do well when we lose the field position battle, as evidenced by USC. It looks like the coverage is set up to funnel the returner to the middle, except that the coverage team isn’t breaking up the muddled middle fast enough to tackle the returner before he’s to the 40 yard line. I don’t know if we’re not fast enough or strong enough or if the kicks aren’t long enough (although I think Tavecchio’s been doing well as of late).

by sec119 on Oct 25, 2010 9:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it could be related to going through the # of reads/progressions when you run through the more complicated combo routes. I remember that Nate supposedly would make it through his 3rd and 4th reads, but Riley would only go with his first or 2nd looks.

Considering how Riley has struggled with consistency, I wonder if Tedford/Ludwig have quietly done what he did for Boller(senior year) – simplified the passing game so that Riley doesn’t have to make so many reads. It might also be why we don’t see as many passes to the TE – it’s usually the 3rd or 4th option after the WR’s in many plays.

/totally wild speculation here

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Oct 25, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why do you keep saying Tedford simplified the playbook for Boller?

Don’t know if you saw my reply to that thought in a previous thread but it’s absolutely false that Tedford did that with Boller.

by Cali49a on Oct 25, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t see that reply.

I guess I keep saying it, ‘cuz I didn’t know I was wrong.

I appreciate the correction.

It makes Tedford’s work w/ Boller (new offense + new mechanics in one offseason) all the more impressive in my book.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Oct 26, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nate had a better OL, and he had better receivers. Nate didn’t look so great in 2008, he had to get rid of the ball quicker (avoiding sacks but taking incompletions) as we rarely got good pass protection or separation by WRs downfield.

At least, that is what my (admittedly fuzzy) recollection tells me.

by abaddon on Oct 25, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s just the better OL/WRs. As you point out, in 2008, Longshore did a good job getting the ball out to avoid sacks. That’s something it’d be nice to see Riley do more. When your offense is heavily dependent on the run game, it’s important to avoid negative plays when attempting to pass.

by jali on Oct 25, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, he did a good job getting the ball out to avoid sacks, and was mostly ineffective as a result. That’s not a “win”, it’s just a different way of not succeeding.

Longshore was also much better at throwing picks. TBH I think it all balances out to some extent; what 2008 showed was that neither was notably more effective than the other.

by abaddon on Oct 25, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with the first point. If the QB has no time to throw on every play, not getting sacked is a “win” when grading the QB. You can’t expect him to avoid sacks and make plays all the time. No QB outside of maybe Michael Vick can do that. I don’t think you can blame Longshore for Oline failures. He did a good job minimizing sacks which allowed drives to last longer and therefore get more chances to throw deep.

Regarding Longshore throwing picks, that was definitely a problem. Those 4th quarter INTs close the gap between him and Riley somewhat.

by jali on Oct 25, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, he was injured, wasn’t he?

by atomsareenough on Oct 25, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well done, hydro!

Would be happy with a competitve loss next week, and thrilled with a win.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 25, 2010 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I dunno about “happy”, but “not despondent” probably would describe my mental state after a close (well-played) loss to OSU next week.

by abaddon on Oct 25, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I liked this too, I was very impressed with the go for the throat mentality at the end of the 1st half…

"Remember the Maine! TO HELL WITH STANFORD!"

by CruzinBears on Oct 25, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, really good point.

Especially taking one last shot at the end zone w/ 7seconds to go was really uncharacteristic.

I liked it a lot.

Might be worth mixing in a series or so of no-huddle throughout the game as a change-up.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Oct 25, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, I agree with you both. The drive as a whole and this play in particular were great. Aggressive but not stupid decisions to try to get more points before the half.

by jali on Oct 25, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Riley has matured to the point where he wasn’t going to tuck it and try and run with it (no timeouts remaining) or throw it over the middle into coverage. I think Ludwig put him in a position to succeed with the quick out/fade to Jones and he almost made the play, but for a few inches.

Riley put the ball where either Jones would make a spectacular play or nobody would get the ball. I was concerned when it appeared that they were going to overturn the play and the clock was reading 0:00. But the refs did the right thing and put the 2 seconds back on the clock and the Xtra point attempt turned into a FG for Giorgio.

by daveman on Oct 25, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Completely forgot about the hurry-up then, but agreed that it was awesome. Tedford was probably looking to prevent our usual (blow-out) 2nd half doldrums? Anyway, yeah, I liked it.

by sec119 on Oct 25, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep noticed this too.

But then again he did this vs Maryland last year in the opener. A beautiful two minute drill when totally not needed ending with a TD pass from Riley to Boateng. I remember posting that I love this new aggressive Tedford. Of course then we never saw it again (except vs ASU when the game was on the line).

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Oct 25, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agree!

I was so sure that JT would sit on it and take the 20pt lead into the half — and couldnt argue.

And even when we got into 3rd down and about a minute left and I think ASU had some time outs, we came out throwing.

I liked it and it was nice to see JT sell out a little. Hopefully it will calm the riled up fan base.

by ArtVandelet on Oct 25, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I did…and it felt like same ol’ same ol’ with Tedford & Co w/ 3:17 to go in the half. Was excited to see Tedford/Ludwig march down the field, and have Riley execute a near perfect 2 minute drill.

You could also say Cal nearly got 2 TD’s, as the 42 yard pass to Jones was almost a TD had it been thrown a little better (as Hydro noted).

Also, hat tip to the coaches for calling a play that could be pulled off with 7 seconds to go and still allowing for a FG attempt.

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--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 25, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree and enjoyed it immensely.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 25, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s done it before. But mostly in routs. I wonder if we’d see the same thing in a 7-10 point game.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 25, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

I was convinced we were going to run out the clock and go to halftime content with a 23-3 lead. I was glad to see us try to get more.

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by Ohio Bear on Oct 25, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I miss pre 2007 @Oregon Longshore. Post… he tried his best, and I don’t dislike him or anything, but I don’t think our results with Longshore would have been any better than with Riley… different, but not better.

TBH I am not sure the “pre” Longshore would be much better. I have a lot of doubt that he was so much worse after, I think the team really took a turn for the worse and it reflected badly on both QB’s (who have their own warts to begin with).

by abaddon on Oct 25, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m a little concerned about RB whenever the post-Vereen era arrives. I don’t think debo or sofele are #1 tailbacks, and I’m also concerned Yarnway’s down to #4. I think Debo could have a really good senior season, but I don’t see his junior campaign as being a breakout. Perhaps Yarnway can turn it around, or Trajuan Briggs becomes BeastMode 2.0? I think Sofele’s in the perfect role.

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by carp on Oct 25, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Too early to tell, IMHO. I think we have quality depth. I agree we don’t seem to have the “star” running back to fill in that we have seemed to have so frequently.

Then again, did anyone think Forcett would have the year he did as a senior in 2007?

by abaddon on Oct 25, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of people expected Forsett to be good in 07. We had a good O-line (no one knew about the short yardage troubles just yet), a good FB and Forsett had proven himself vs Oregon and other such games.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Oct 25, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

You must hang out in different (online) circles. All I remember is concern about him being too small and being unable to carry the load. I don’t think a single person predicted the 1500+ yard campaign he ended up with.

by abaddon on Oct 25, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he’d be great. Always liked the Force.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 25, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

there was a lot of media concern

I didn’t hear a lot of fan concern.

Forsett is one of those guys you have to see to understand. Like Vereen he runs heavier than he is, and is put together well enough to take some pounding.

That said, it would be best for us if the starter at tb keeps it to 20-25 carries, and 5 passes a game, and the back ups get in a good 10-15 touches. This does two things that are good for the team 1) rest for the starter, it’s a long season. 2) expereince for the guys who will be the starters in the future. One reason we have not had the drop-off at TB (imo) is experienced back ups.

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by Rocksanddirt on Oct 25, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forsett is one of those guys you have to see to understand

This

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by royrules22 on Oct 25, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was pretty confident. He had a pretty tremendous YPC going into ’07.

by atomsareenough on Oct 25, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will take all of your collective words for it that you aren’t remembering with the benefit of hindsight. I certainly didn’t expect him to do nearly as well as he did, and was very happy to be wrong.

by abaddon on Oct 25, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope not hindsight. Remember we all watched him backup Lynch in 05 and 06 very solidly. He had 999 rushing in 05 and 626 in 06! That’s better than a lot of starters!

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Oct 25, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t sure he would be quite as awesome as he was, but I felt more than comfortable about him being the starter, I’ll put it that way.

by atomsareenough on Oct 25, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

that was also made possible because we had a very potent passing threat. too much talent all over the field on offense.

by JustBear on Oct 25, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sigh. I remember hearing all the hype about how Longshore + DJax/Hawk/RoJo was the best passing attack in the country. They were vs Tenn and Oregon but then it all went to hell. They had the talent but sigh..

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Oct 25, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 25, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Odds on Vereen leaving after this season...

Anyone? He is, after all, just a junior with an additional year of eligibility. If he were to stay another year, it would give us time to find out who will be the next feature back (Sofele, DeBo, Yarnway, Briggs, Lasco, someone else).

by daveman on Oct 25, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

95% sure this is his last year

Secret’s out on Cal tailbacks. I’d be happy if he opted to return, but I can’t see any reason why he’d stay.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 25, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess. He’s not getting any of the Heisman-type hype that Jahvid was, though. I wonder if he’ll be a first rounder.

by atomsareenough on Oct 25, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heisman-hype has no correlation with draft stock. Where did Gerhart get drafted? Cam Newton isn’t going to be a first rounder.

Scouts who’ve been paying attention to Vereen probably already know he’s NFL-ready.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 25, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

And if he isnt drafted by the NFL, Comcast Sportsnet might draft him!

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by TwistNHook on Oct 25, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come on, it may not have a TON of correlation, but I wouldn’t say it has none.

by atomsareenough on Oct 25, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why? Did any of us expect Tyson to get drafted in the top 10? Most scouts don’t pay attention to the runaway hype train.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 25, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair...

most scouts don’t work for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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by carp on Oct 25, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tebow is a strange and unique case.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 26, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he’s gonzo if he feels he’ll be drafted within 3 rounds.

I don’t think the returning offensive line and new QB gives him enough hope that he’ll be better off, draft-wise, if he stays. It’ll be “:shutdown Vereen.”

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
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by carp on Oct 25, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Not sure if I’m more worried about a post-Vereen era or a post-Riley era. I hope we don’t have a season or two like the post-Rodgers era (Joe Ayoob anyone?). So far, I have little to no confidence in:

- Mansion (Jr.)
- Sweeney (So.)
- Maynard (So. ?)
- Bridgford (RS Fr.)
- Hinder (Fr.)
- Boehm (HS)

Is the next Aaron Rodgers in that group somewhere? From what we’ve seen, I don’t think Mansion or Sweeney starts next year and Maynard had a good, not great season in Buffalo last year. So it might be time for Bridgford or Hinder to step to the forefront. Any way you look at it, we’ll be putting a totally inexperienced QB back there. Good times.

by daveman on Oct 25, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry I forgot to include:

- I can haz Wertenberger (So.)

by daveman on Oct 25, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, ASU’s backup sucks. I’m sorry, I know he’s doing his best but he looked like a high school JV QB out there. WOW.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 25, 2010 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Rankings

For what its worth:
BCS – 37(billingsly) (40-BCS guru)
Coaches – 33
Harris – 42
Massey (KM-BCS) – 33
Real Massey – 25
Anderson (AH – BCS) 42
Sagarin (JS-BCS) 31
Real Sagarin 8 (!) We must be the best 3 loss team in Sagarin history
Billingsly (RB-BCS) 34
Wolfe (PW-BCS) 40
Colley (CM-BCS) 41
BCS Fan Poll 35 (Defend your vote site)

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