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State Of The Cal Football Program, Part V: Jeff Tedford Evaluation

Part I on Tedford & Riley, Part II on the big picture, Part III Andy Ludwig's playcalling, Part IV on positional coaches.

solarise: Chart attached to compare Mike Bellotti, Tedford's mentor, to Tedford himself.

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It's too early to call for Tedford's head based on their records in my opinion.  Tedford may be a victim of his own success, winning 10 games just in his third season at Cal and led to high expectations quickly.  The Golden Bears program has been fluctuating between 7-9 wins in the past three years, but Bellotti had a far worse decline in the middle third of his career trajectory with Oregon. 

Perhaps when it comes to his career, Tedford is equally conservative as his game-management.

Avinash: We discuss game management, in-game adjustments, game planning, and recruiting after the jump.

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Game management (like punting on 4th and short)

Kodiak: I feel that he's had more of an emphasis on avoiding mistakes than making plays the last few years.  His in-game decisions have followed a similar trend of playing it safe, or choosing the conventionally accepted "right" play.  I don't agree with many of his calls, but that doesn't necessarily make them wrong.  It's just a different style.  At least he's no Les Miles.

atomsareenough: I said this in the comments, but there is no question in my mind that he absolutely should have gone for it on 4th and inches in the 2nd quarter. It was not a close game at that point. We were already down by 3 touchdowns, and the  Trojans were having their way with us. However, on that drive our offense was finally beginning to put a drive together after starting the game with 4 straight 3-and-outs. Kevin Riley had completed his first pass to Marvin Jones. Shane Vereen had a 14-yard gain. Our defense had been on the field for over 10 minutes already and yielded 21 points. They needed a break, and some time to regroup, and if we were going to have any chance at making a game of it, we needed to score. You HAVE to be able to trust Vereen to gain one foot in that situation.

On an emotional level as well, I felt like punting was completely the wrong thing to do. USC had punched us in the face, repeatedly. If we were going to punch back, this was our chance to do it. Instead, we gave up and handed them back the ball, and so they took it and marched back down the field for another touchdown. The call just felt completely gutless. If we're going to receive a beatdown, I at least want to go down swinging. We punted it from near midfield to the USC 18 yard line, and it took them all of 2 plays for them to bring it back to midfield again,    so it's not like the field position changed a hell of a lot. I love Tedford and I loathe Harbaugh, but sometimes it really feels like Teddy could use a bit of a killer instinct infusion from Jimbo.

ragnarok: I think kicking the field goal was the right call against Arizona. At USC? I disagree. Punting at that point was basically ceding any hope that Cal had to come back and win the game. You could argue that going for it in that part of the field is basically saying "we have to do something desperate, because if we don't get it, we've lost this game", and the conservative coaching handbook says you never make those sorts of decisions in the 4th quarter, but Cal was so far from winning that game, going for it (and making it) really was the only shot they had. The Bears *needed* to do something positive on the offensive side of the ball, and they *needed* to keep their defense off the field for a little bit, and they didn't.

LeonPowe: I'm okay with it against Arizona - although I would've been okay with going for it too. It seemed to me, again, its not so much about the playcall but instead the execution. The kick didn't work. For USC, I think by the time we got to that point, there wasn't much to lose by then. On the other hand, the SC defensive line was collapsing our offensive line every play. I think the chances were really high that we couldn't have gotten 1 foot. I think there's a lot more to criticize than the 4th down calls.

Ohio Bear: The only 4th down call I can think of that I had a real problem with was the one we didn't go for in the Big Game with a 10-point lead, 4th quarter, near midfield. The Furds were not stopping Vereen and keeping the ball would have milked more clock and we wouldn't have needed Prophet's heroics to win the game. Just my opinion. As for the 4th downs this season, I really don't have a problem with the ones most prominent, i.e. the one at Arizona and the one on Saturday vs. USC. Kicking the FG to go up 9-3 was the right call at Arizona, to go up by 6 in a game in which a TD was so hard to come by. As for the one on Saturday, I thought Tedford might go for that one, but I totally understood punting. Heck, I didn't feel we would make that after having been stoned on the 3rd and short. Perhaps it felt that way on the sideline. So why hand the ball to SC at our 43 yard line? As bad as things were, our defense was still the best unit we he had on the field. I understand the thinking to put our best unit on the field to get a stop. Did it work out? Hell no. But at that moment, I didn't have a problem with the call.

Game planning, particularly on the offensive side of the ball

Avinash: I know he works with Ludwig in designing them. I'm seeing less and less I like on that side of the ball. The offense at Arizona was abysmal, and they found a way to be even worse at USC.

atomsareenough: I honestly don't know what to make of it. Something is clearly wrong when we randomly come out so completely flat and unready to play that we get totally blown out right from the get-go. I don't expect to win every game, but we're at the point now where we should be good enough not to ever get completely horsewhipped like this, by anyone. Yet it's now happened 5 times in the past 2 years (Oregon, USC, Washington, Nevada, USC), and I shudder to think what might happen against Oregon or Stanfurd later this year, though thankfully those are at Memorial at least, where only one of the previous 5 massacres has occurred. I wish I knew what to fix, but there are almost too many things you can point at. When things go badly, it's a team-wide collapse. How can we possibly be good enough to blow out lesser teams, but bad enough to get blown out by good teams? Aren't most mediocre teams... at least consistently mediocre?

Kodiak: Not sure how much he works w/ Ludwig on these, so it's hard to say.  I thought we had a sound plan vs. Az considering their strengths, and our weaknesses.  Coming off a bye week, I think we were well-prepared to drink ucla's milkshake.  Clearly, 'sc was a fail.

LeonPowe: Until Hydrotech (or someone) looks at the film, its almost impossible for someone watching on tv to know if it was gameplan or execution at fault. I reserve the right to complain about the gameplan, but I wouldn't do it now - or until someone has shown it to be at fault. I think its difficult to judge from one time seeing the game.

Ohio Bear: I don't have the expertise to really comment on this intelligently. Plus, against USC, we were out of it so early, query whether our gameplan was out the window.

ragnarok: I don't think the offensive gameplan was that bad at Arizona -- the results weren't great, but the Wildcat defense is good, and our execution was not. Especially with Keenan Allen knicked up, we really lack playmakers in the passing game, and that made it tough to move the ball at times. There were a number of times where the playcall was there, but the play just wasn't made.

In-game adjustments

Avinash: That didn't happen against USC. When the Trojans began to get the steamroll going, we had no answer until way too late. You could substitute in at least several other teams into here.

atomsareenough:  Yeah, we may have had a game plan, but when things didn't start off the way we were expecting, we looked dazed and confused. Yeah, the drops in the first few drives were disastrous, but then once we finally started getting things going on offense, Tedford gives the ball back on 4th and inches. Anyway, the in-game adjustments were either late in coming, or inadequate. I've liked the playcalling more in general this year, but something seems amiss if it's either feast or famine like this.

Kodiak: Again, hard to say how involved he is here.  I would think that the position coaches and coordinators are more directly responsible for adjustments.  I thought he was delegating more than he did during his early years.

Ohio Bear: Again, I don't have the expertise to comment on this intelligently. But it seems to me, as the uneducated fan, that we should be better at this. The examples of fail vs. Nevada and USC are glaring examples. Our faceplant in the Poinsettia Bowl is another recent example that comes to mind.

LeonPowe: This I'd say is much more true. It was clear early on that our o-line was getting dominated and our d-line wasn't bringing it. Could we have moved the pocket, run more draws and screens to counteract the aggressive defense? Maybe (although I recall our screens being blown up too - maybe throw a bubble or down the line instead to get out away from the d-line. I can't say for sure - but it didn't seem like we adjusted until the third quarter. Also with the defense, Barkley clearly had all day to throw. I don't recall seeing any edge blitzs from the CBs or the backers except for one series in the first half. While I'm not in favor of selling out every time, maybe we need to hit Barkley two or three times.

ragnarok: I can't disagree with this. Losing is one thing, getting run off the field before my couch cushions have even warmed up is another. Besides a nice defensive stand early in the game, I can't recall a single thing Cal did to low the Trojan's momentum.

Recruiting

Avinash: As the face of the program, Tedford's recruiting very well right now. Not so much in the past thanks to many factors (SAHPC hold-up, treesitters, a NorCal football recruiting drought), and it's showing on the field right now.

atomsareenough: Is this really the problem? Yeah, we had some lean recruiting years, but that's only relatively speaking, and frankly it seems like our problems are related more to execution errors than talent gap. We're more talented than Hawaii, Virginia, Minnesota, Washington... yet USC beat us by the same margin that they defeated Washington State. Washington State scored 2 more points than we did, in fact.

Kodiak: On an uptick.  You can't forget that he is directly responsible for the upgraded turf and the SAHPC.

Ohio Bear: Such a hit or miss thing. My sense is that we've done all right. But I'm far from expert on this.

LeonPowe: I don't think this is really accurate - going off the top of my head, Vereen, Riley, Jones, Allen, Hagen, Summers-Gavin, Edwards, Ladner, Conte, Sofele, etc. etc. were all really well thought of recruits.

ragnarok: Is it? Are we really that untalented? Tedford went 7-5 in 2002 with a lot less talent (albeit by sneaking up on some people, and perhaps the conference wasn't so deep then). We're not running out a bunch of guys that no one else wanted; I don't understand what your argument is here.

 

And now, here's TwistNHook, pumping the sunshine!

Considering we haven’t even had a losing season under Tedford, considering we have been to bowl games each year, considering we have had over 50,000-60,000+ fans in all home games for years now, considering that we are just about to finish up on the SAHPC, this post seems very premature to me.

And the people jumping off the bandwagon, fair enough. Everybody has their own places in life. The only thing that is going to keep me from going to the games will be:

1. Priced out (considering I’m not trying to get great tickets on the West Side, this seems unlikely).
2. Family restrictions (people say when you have kids etc, it becomes far more difficult to come to games and I hope to have a family someday).

I might not be the smartest fan here, I might not be the heaviest donor, I might not bleed the most blue and gold, but it is fucking insane to me that people are jumping off the bandwagon like this. “I see Cal trending downwards in the future.” “This is like 1988.” “The hot seat gets hotter.”

Maybe, but also how many people’s allegiances to the team are because it’s good. This is college sports, not professional sports. Maybe it’s time to fire Tedford. Maybe it’s time to bench Riley. Maybe it’s time to do this thing or that thing.

But this too shall pass. And no matter what the blue and the gold, the Saturdays in autumn, the marching band, the tailgating, it’ll all still be there.

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What concerns me the most about Jeff Tedford is...
Recruiting
17 votes
Game planning
72 votes
In-game adjustments
132 votes
Game management
53 votes

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Completely unrelated to Tedford's ability as a coach

I think he would make a fantastic AD.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 20, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Why? The play-it-safe, hard-working, don’t do anything to promote the team, clean-cut, honest program shtick?

I think Tedford needs to call plays and get a badass O-line coach that commands team-wide attention in the locker room and on the sideline.

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by carp on Oct 20, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The three year dip in Belloti’s record (seasons 8-10) correspond to the Ludwig years at Oregon, just saying.

I hate to write what I’m about to write because it is pure speculation. I wonder if Tedford’s biggest problem is in evaluating and/or finding young coaching talent. With exception to Tosh, Tedford seems to prefer the also-ran/journeyman coaches. Coaches that have been in football for decades, but never excelled enough to advance and stick with a top tier team. Pendergast, Genyk, and Marshall have all been in more prestigous roles, then been fired or released. I realize Cal has its money problems, and that young coaches are risky propositions, but to me, journeyman is a euphemism for mediocre, and Tedford has been collecting journeyman on his staff.

by chowder on Oct 20, 2010 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Boy, has this idea been beaten around in the other “State of” posts. Both in terms of Tedford’s seeming inability to evaluate talent, and also in regards to the low pay Assistants make at Cal.

You definitely aren’t the first to raise this question.

But I think speculation about Tedford’s ability to recognize good coaching isn’t 100% valid. After all, he did hire Coack Mich as OL coach a few years back, and that seemed to work out okay.

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by SoCal Oski on Oct 20, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like the ex-players would like to see Tosh as DC someday (Fujita, Follett). I personally hope that Tosh is being groomed to take over. What’s the likelihood that Daft is being groomed as the future OC? Recruits do like him – Victor Blackwell ($C), DeAnthony Arnett, & George Farmer all had nice things to say about having strong relationships w/ Daft.

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by solarise on Oct 20, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know NOTHING about evaluating assistant coaches. Indirectly, I suppose, I can observe the product of their work on Saturdays, but when things go wrong on the field, I have no way of knowing if it’s a talent issue, or a gameplan issue, or a practice/technique/teaching issue, or an effort issue, or just a matter of getting beat by another set of elite college athletes and coaches on that particular Saturday. I do reserve the right, as a fan, to voice my displeasure with the overall performance of the team—and/or with the specific performances observable on the field by individual units or players—but I figure the only one qualified to assess the performance of the assistant coaches is Tedford itself.

That said, I’m an unapologetic patriot of the Univ. of California, and I’d love to see more former Bears join the coaching ranks. Tosh Lupoi certainly appears to be working out. What about Geoff Macarthur? or Russell White? They both have joined the HS coaching ranks; maybe they can move up to Cal?

If things don’t improve offensively, I do expect Tedford to go back to his roots and deeply embed himself in the offense again—playing checkers with the QBs and all that. Bringing back a trusted old partner such as Coach M or Cortez to serve as Assistant Head Coach would seem to make sense.

But again, none of us outside the program have any clue what’s going on inside. We just see the results on the field.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Oct 20, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, chowder....

…..agree, and the resurrection of Bellotti’s stint at Oregon was due to changing to the spread (and executing that change flawlessly).

by ososdeoro on Oct 21, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

As the face of the program, Tedford’s recruiting very well right now. Not so much in the past thanks to many factors (SAHPC hold-up, treesitters, a NorCal football recruiting drought), and it’s showing on the field right now.

This is part of the issue, no doubt. I don’t htink our o-line was rated highly during this period … ? Anyway, I like TnH’s point about college football. It’s not the pros; there’s a lot more I get out of these games than just watching the best football money can buy. Sure, I’d love if we won all of our games, and someone should be accountable for a pattern of faceplants, but I’ll always enjoy college football for reasons beyond just winning and losing.

by sec119 on Oct 20, 2010 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

I haven’t been extremely impressed w/ our OL recruiting this year actually. Jordan Rigsbee is great, but we struck out w/ Cyrus Kouandjio (Marshall – didn’t even visit), Brendon Austin (Furd), Conor Hanratty (ND), Matthew Hegarty (ND), Christian Westerman (Texas), and Andre Yruretagoyena (Oregon). Pat Flavin is visiting this weekend, and Cyrus Hobbi seems to have other ideas like UDubb & fUCLA. For a year when we are supposedly looking for talented offensive tackles (#36), Tedford & Co seem to be recruiting much better @ the skill positions.

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by solarise on Oct 20, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

but O-linemen don’t sell Nike gear…

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by carp on Oct 20, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

ragnarok: …Tedford went 7-5 in 2002 with a lot less talent (albeit by sneaking up on some people, and perhaps the conference wasn’t so deep then).

I think this nails why things seem so bad. There were sag years in ‘05 (the Longshore-Ayoob-Levy threesome at QB) and ’08 (the complete absence of senior firepower at the skill positions) that weren’t materially too much better than now – the difference is the blowouts and the sense that we’re slipping. I think we’re slipping, but I think too many other people are rising. UW and Furd are up off the mat and Arizona is headed the right way, and with $C being kneecapped the conference is wide open for the taking for the first time in the better part of a decade. If Twist will let me go green and recycle my shtick, it’s not the Pac-1 anymore – it’s just happening at a time when we are ill-prepared to exploit it. If this had come around five years ago, I think we’d be looking back in joy on back-to-back Rose Bowl appearances most likely. (Although two whole seasons were derailed with injuries to the same guy, Nate Longshore…talk about sick luck)

Even if you’re not happy with Tedford, though, this is a bad time to make a change – nobody is going to have a good year next year in a smaller temp venue with fewer home games. I think at this point, the only choice is to ride out the contract and economic downturn and see if he can turn things around (and maybe some assistant coach replacements at OC and OL might help)…

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by VandyImport on Oct 20, 2010 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Playcalling

I have to say that I haven’t had a big problem with playcalling this year (or really, for most of Ludwig’s tenure). Generally speaking, the plays are there. It’s more about execution problems: the OL doesn’t open a hole, so the RB gets stuffed. Riley makes a good throw, but the WR drops it. There are open receivers, but the protection breaks down and Riley gets sacked. And of course, sometimes Riley just misfires. It’s less about the plays themselves than the fact that the team takes turns in making a huge mistake.

by sycasey on Oct 20, 2010 2:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I generally agree with the sentiments here

And I have been making the Belotti (and Riley) comparisons on some other boards.

JT’s situation is a bit inverted. Usually you have someone who starts slow, and the question is whether to let them stay and see if they can get over the hump (e.g., Stoops). Look at Gary Pinkel at Mizzou. He was below .500 until his 6hth season.

Tedford had some mild success early — which was of course viewed as phenomenal given where the program was, and appropriately so — had some great success from 2004-2006, and the question now is whether we’re tailing off, spiraling, standing still while the rest of the conference catches up.

But for those who insist that we must have a coach who averages 9 wins a year consistently, even JT only did that in the 2004-2006 time frame, and those coaches are few and far between. Beloitti and Riley and Stoops and Harbaugh don’t fit that bill. Indeed, Harbaugh and Stoops have yet to do it, though Harbaugh might this year.

I think Tedford gets 2 more seasons. If the trend continues, then I think it would be hard to argue about making changes. But when viewed in a broader context, JT in many ways probably represents what we would hope for in a coach, so I’m very much against making changes.

by ArtVandelet on Oct 20, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Are you the same Art Vandelet that did the addition to the Guggenheim?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 20, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is the owner of a thriving latex manufacturer.

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by SoCal Oski on Oct 20, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he knows any good importer/exporters.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 20, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

one point on recruiting

it seems like they go more for quality not quantity. but i think more may be better… there really aren’t sure things, especially in the 3-4 star HS recruits. its hard to tell who will work out, so a bunch of 3 stars seems to do better than a couple 4 stars.

by JoeCarr on Oct 20, 2010 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s not like we are leaving scholarships on the table. Every year is a full class, and we have even had to greyshirt guys in order to get the numbers right.

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by Vandalus on Oct 20, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we’re looking at the trees when we should look at the forrest.

Has the status quo been working?

How long do we give it to right itself?

How risky is that?

WHO COULD BE BETTER?

I think someone could be better, but it’s certainly risky, given the history, that Cal Athletics can blow this.

Ideally, a school like Arizona, Washington, Washington St, Oregon St, or maybe even Stanfraid has a ‘head coach with some success that can bring key staff to Cal’ but I don’t think there’s a viable candidate at those universities. I pick those universities, because the Cal job would likely seem like an upgrade, with the new facilities and all. Even if there was, such a person could leave quickly.

I don’t think the ‘up-and-coming coordinator’ is an improvement over the incumbent. Not sure a Texan could come in a do well either (Leach or Patterson).

I really don’t think Cal can do any better right now, as the replacement candidates are fairly weak. Maybe with better facilities and more $ from the new Pac12 Cal can get to a place where it can really compete with other football programs in terms of coaching staffs.

Is it time to start the Ron Gould era?

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by carp on Oct 20, 2010 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

You’re not making any sense. You’re rambling and just throwing out ideas and hoping one sticks.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 20, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that was all of us are doing at all times on this board?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 20, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one has suggested anything as dumb as “Is it time to start the Ron Gould era?”

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 20, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flagged. Personal attack.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 20, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think one could argue that “Ron Gould for Head Coach” makes a helluva lot more sense than “Kevin Riley’s improved significantly.”

My real point – this microscopic look at the program (“4th and short decisions”) when the basic macroscopic questions go unaddressed- is a cogent one.

No, I’m not totally serious, but I find the idea intriguing. I do think that firing Tedford would have two very serious consequences: Ron Gould and Tosh Lupoi – will the replacement keep them?

In a way, replacing from within has some significant positives but one has to wonder if the well is poisoned and a thorough scrubdown is needed.

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by carp on Oct 20, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kevin Riley 2010 > Kevin Riley 2009 IMO. You might disagree, but he’s a better QB than he once was.

Ron Gould for HC makes no sense, based on the fact that he is a fantastic RB coach and has shown NO inclination to do anything other than coach tailbacks. Keep him where he’s best.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 20, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

That may be, but 2007 > 2010 and that’s sad.

Maybe he has wanted to? He’s the best coach on the roster regardless of title…

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by carp on Oct 20, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is there something specifically you don’t understand? We can start line-by-line from the top if you want.

Or we can talk about how Taqueria Guadalajara on Covell jumped the shark and no longer makes delicious super burritos like they used to in 2002-2004. They need a new Grilled Chicken Coordinator; that dark meat shit is gross. They could also use a Pico de Gallo Coordinator, as the salsa tastes like it was good last week.

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--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 20, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a self proclaimed taco expert, I must say dark meat is the best. The more fat, the merrier. You have clearly outed yourself as a gringo — go back to eating white meat at Chipotle!

by BeareatsTacos on Oct 20, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the chicken fajita burritos at chipotle.

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--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 20, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok I can’t insult Chipotle for that long in bad faith, I admit I love their burritos as well. Not quite authentic but still delicious in their own way.

by BeareatsTacos on Oct 20, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait are you serious?!? If so I’m so fucking disappointed.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 20, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

(I meant about Guadalajara)

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 20, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had the pollo asada super burrito from Guad’s around 2005/2006 and I thought it was delicious. That was my first time there though — it might have gone downhill since then.

by BeareatsTacos on Oct 20, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their Pico de Gallo Coordinator was still there.

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by carp on Oct 20, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

My wife and I are both saying…“maybe we should try the one on Mace Blvd. before writing them off.”

El Mariachi downtown on G St is great…steak tacos are muy bueno.

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by carp on Oct 20, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has the status quo been working?

We have won eight games a year up to this point. I prefer this to the old status quo.

How long do we give it to right itself?

I believe 2013/2014 is quite fine for me. By then Tedford will have his SAHPC recruits and no excuses left to fall back on.

How risky is that?

Not risky at all? Put in any other coach and we still probably put up the same averages in wins based on our recruiting talent. Obviously the way we’re losing is embarrassing, but a 40 point loss is the same as a 1 point loss in the standings.

Is it time to start the Ron Gould era?

You lose me here.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 20, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have won eight games a year up to this point. I prefer this to the old status quo.

Kind of cherry picking….see Wilner’s blowout loss column.

I believe 2013/2014 is quite fine for me. By then Tedford will have his SAHPC recruits and no excuses left to fall back on.

I agree but I’m not sure he can make it to 2013/14 (stop the bleeding before Cal loses a lot, fans don’t show up, and no one puts ’em on TV).

Not risky at all? Put in any other coach and we still probably put up the same averages in wins based on our recruiting talent. Obviously the way we’re losing is embarrassing, but a 40 point loss is the same as a 1 point loss in the standings.

Risky in the sense that recruiting could get worse. Also, don’t forget the power of the ‘new messenger’ that gets more productivity out of the same players, much like Tedford enjoyed in 2002. Is Utah’s coach worth it? Could we get a Paul Johnson? I think Brian Kelly was a great hire by Notre Dame…too bad he’s off the table.

You lose me here.

It’s outside the box; he’s got 14 years at Cal and seems like a good messenger. Has experience on the defensive side of the ball, and played at Oregon. Would likely keep Tosh, and run the football with success. I imagine he could be a hit with recruits, but not be so uptight like Tyrone Willingham. I suppose he could still be heavily involved with the rushing attack while being a leader.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 20, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

This poll is woefully incomplete

All of the options are “technical” aspects. Frankly I’m most concerned about Tedford’s non-technical functions as a coach — ensuring motivation, competition, and focus. I’m not concerned with his play-calling, game preparation, or recruiting. In fact, I have confidence he does these quite well.

I’m worried about the intangibles and what we don’t see outside of the Xs and Os. It’s easy for us to break down film and see that the gameplan is in tact, but it’s a lot harder to say why execution was not up to par. I can only speculate what reasons there are for periodic road-game breakdowns like last week’s, and this huge question mark is what has me worried.

by BeareatsTacos on Oct 20, 2010 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not sure how much of that stuff falls on the position coaches

Because those are the guys that should be motivating our players in-game. I’ve seen a lot of evidence Tedford has emphasized competition (witness Steve Williams seeing more and more PT).

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 20, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree in theory...but

I can’t remember the citation, but I remember one of Pete Carroll’s hiring criteria for position coaches was reflecting the GO POM POMS PETEY!!!!11 attitude. I don’t want to turn Cal into the next USC, but if I learned anything from organizational psychology, culture is set at the very top. Part of the reason why companies like BP and Citi have to sack CEOs to change risk management culture — the CEO sets the tone for middle management, who then impress engineers and traders (or positional coaches and players, in our case).

by BeareatsTacos on Oct 20, 2010 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Damnit, reply fail

This was in response to Avi…sigh.

by BeareatsTacos on Oct 20, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

An interesting point

But that hasn’t stopped Petie’s teams from getting beaten up when the talent isn’t there. When the defense fell apart last season he had no answer.

Perhaps Tedford does need more firebrands on his staff. He already has one (Tosh) and he’s done wonders. It’s been stated an offensive Tosh would go a long way toward improving our abilities on that side of the ball. I do believe in the early days Tedford coached up the offensive side and that’s why we looked so good. Right now he’s probably too detached as he tries to oversee everything else.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 20, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

We will be blown out again

We will be blown out in more games this year. Dont worry though it will come when we least expect it (WSU maybe?). When this inevitably happens I want Tedford to throw out the playbook and channel his inner Les Miles. Trick plays anyone?

by bearbacker on Oct 20, 2010 6:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I am firmly in the camp that Tedford is not the issue

it’s some of his supporting staff (coordinators and position coaches) that are the issue. But, like any CEO or leader, it’s also your job to hire competent, savvy support staff, so in that sense he really needs to improve in this area. But I think he’s still growing as a head coach and will be able to make these adjustments in the near future. I still have faith in the man, GO BEARS and GO TEDFORD!

by SonofCalifornia on Oct 20, 2010 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I like to think sandy hamstrings him with a budget for hiring coaches. So, there’s a pile Jeff wants to hire and there’s a pile Jeff can afford.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Oct 20, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oregon State and other schools are able to get consistent performance out of their position coaches for about the same amount that Cal pays (the USA Today report on coaching salaries will confirm this). I know obviously we’re not getting Will Muschamp, but it’s not to say Tedford can’t find the right coaches under a budget. I still have faith in his ability to do so, as I think Pendergast and Genyk are definitely a step in the right direction.

by BeareatsTacos on Oct 20, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not in total agreement with the use of the comparison between Tedford and Bellotti. I am not completely familiar with Oregon football history so perhaps some of the ATQ posters can fill us in here, but didn’t Bellotti inherit a Rose Bowl team the year he took over? Rich Brooks was at Oregon for 17-18 years and though, iirc, he finished with a sub .500 record at Oregon, he helped set up his successor (Bellotti) for a successful run. If you look at Tedford, he did not have the luxury of taking over a Rose Bowl team or a program that was relatively stable.

by Cali49a on Oct 20, 2010 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Bellotti actually didn’t earn as much as Tedford did before Bellotti retired, so in another way I find this may not be a fair comparison. Generally salary compensation should bear a correlation to results on the field. We pay more, ergo we should get more.

Someone like Kirk Ferentz may be a better comparison.

by BeareatsTacos on Oct 20, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, that is just so deep and insightful. Make sure to pat yourself on the back for thinking of that one.

by Cali49a on Oct 20, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand what your vitriol is about. In many cases discrepancy in salary is the result of non-performance related factors, i.e. cost of living adjustments for geographic regions, non-performance factors (graduation rate, reduction of NCAA infractions, student academic performance), additional administrative functions, etc. In this case I don’t believe there were extenuating circumstances outside of performance so I made the point that the comparisons should be performance-based.

On the other hand, if you were simply saying that just to be a douchebag, then congratulations, for I’m sure your mother is proud you’ve decided to put your clearly superior intellect proving that people on the internet are stupid.

by BeareatsTacos on Oct 21, 2010 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

No vitriol from me but I thought you were joking so I made a sarcastic comment that you took the wrong way. But since you are serious, I’ll be more than happy to address you.

In this case I don’t believe there were extenuating circumstances outside of performance

So taking over a program that had a one year bowl ban, a reduction of 9 scholarships over 5 years, and landed the universtiy’s athletic program on 5 years probation was not extenuating?

Did Bellotti ever turn down more high profile jobs while he was a hot commodity that paid more money to stick around waiting for a project to get going while people sat in trees for 2 years?

I made the point that the comparisons should be performance-based.

Did you forget that Tedford’s APR is second in the conference behind only Furd? Nationally, they are better than over 80% of the other football programs out there. Considering how difficult it is to recruit guys who actually want to go to class AND play football, having such a high APR at one of the toughest academic institutions is impressive.

Did you forget that Cal’s football graduation rate was abysmal when Tedford took over but is now well above the national average and light years ahead of where it was before Tedford took over?

How many conference All-Academics has Tedford produced? I’ll let you do the research here, but you will find that it is rather high relative to most other conference schools.

What was Cal’s average season ticket holders in 2001? What is Cal’s average season ticket holder base in 2010? What was Cal’s average attendance in 2001? What is Cal’s average attendance in 2010? Tedford pays for himself and staff alone with the gate Cal makes at football games. He also helps fund the other varsity sports.

How many football players have shamed the program by being arrested or doing something stupid? And when they do, how does Tedford handle it? He promptly kicked Rj Garrett off the team and he’ll suspend a player with a future zero tolerance policy if they screwed up badly once.

For fun since we are talking about Bellotti and Tedford performance, their head to head Coaching Records:
Jeff Tedford 4
Mike Bellotti 2

I know the point you are trying to make and are implying: it’s all about the wins and losses and relative to what Cal is paying Tedford, he is not worth it when you compare him to other coaches. That is a valid point. But to completely downplay what Tedford has done with this program and what he continues to do off the football field sake of your argument tells me you are either new to Cal football world or your frustration with him is so big that you can’t give the man props where props is due.

On the other hand, if you were simply saying that just to be a douchebag, then congratulations, for I’m sure your mother is proud you’ve decided to put your clearly superior intellect proving that people on the internet are stupid.

Man, somebody has a chip on his shoulder.

by Cali49a on Oct 21, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

No vitriol from me but I thought you were joking so I made a sarcastic comment that you took the wrong way. But since you are serious, I’ll be more than happy to address you.

Ok I understand the misunderstanding. My original post was elementary and obvious, and actually borderline stupid, and that’s my fault for not clarifying what I meant. But what I wrote has nothing to do with a criticism of Jeff Tedford, nor is it an implication that Bellotti has done more than Tedford. In fact,

it’s all about the wins and losses and relative to what Cal is paying Tedford, he is not worth it when you compare him to other coaches

is the exact opposite of what I meant to imply. I think Tedford, despite his relative lack of on the field success in comparison to what he is paid for (even this is somewhat flexible as he does rake in the ticket sales, and he should be rewarded for this), should keep his job because there are factors far more important than a win-loss record. I’m not willing to take a coach like Urban Meyer who can deliver National Championships with the caveat that one of our players ends up in jail on a weekly basis. So I agree with you.

I was only pointing out that in any scientific (or, really, pseudo scientific) comparison you need to make an apples to apples comparison. No one compares the success of the United States and Lichtenstein in battling global poverty because of the obvious discrepancies in GDP.

That said,

Man, somebody has a chip on his shoulder.

Well, yes, in light of the fact that my original post was essentially at the intellectual level of a 4 year old, I thought you were basically kicking me while I was down. Or whatever the internet equivalent is.

by BeareatsTacos on Oct 28, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cost of living

in Berkeley >> in Eugene

Any argument based on coaches’ compensation needs to take this into account.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Oct 21, 2010 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, Nike pays a good portion of JT’s salary, does it not?

by LeonPowe on Oct 21, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

how about we let go one of our coordinators and hire a full time sports psychologist?

by iubyont on Oct 21, 2010 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

former players

i wonder if tedford has any contact with former players and asks them what they thought about the program (esp ones in the NFL.) what did rodgers think of his qb lessons…. what skills of team concepts did they see in the nfl that made them think cal wasn’t doing it right.

by JoeCarr on Oct 21, 2010 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

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