Cal vs. UCLA Post-Game Thoughts
(1) 2010 Riley is better than 2009 Riley, but 2010 Riley still is inconsistent. There's a lot to say here.
(1)(a) He misses some easy passes... still. That pass to Vereen along the sidelines could have been a touchdown had Riley not under thrown the ball. Some of his other passes to other receivers were off.
(1)(b) Riley didn't throw the ball away when he should have and instead took sacks. Riley is a competitive guy who wants to make a play and make something happen rather than just throwing the ball away. However, at some point every QB has to realize that you sometimes just have to cut your losses and throw the ball away. And yes, maybe the coverage down the field has the receivers blanketed, but either run or throw it away.
(1)(c) I'm starting to wonder if Riley is putting himself at risk of losing his starting job. Reading some of Tedford's quotes, he sounds really upset about Riley's performance (and Riley is a 5th year senior nonetheless!). Riley is making mistakes that a 5th year senior shouldn't be making. I don't think we'll see a complete change of lineup and have Sweeney as our starting QB down the line but I wouldn't be completely surprised if Riley gets benched in the second half of games if he continues to play as poorly as he did against UCLA.
(2) Rushing attack was GREAT! Vereen and Sofele both averaged over 6 yards a carry. There's little to complain about when your top two running backs have averages like that. I've been pretty critical of this offensive line and have even said they are perhaps one of the weakest offensive lines of the Tedford era, but today they really surprised me. Neither Vereen or Sofele had a single long run to skew the average, so the fact that they were averaging over six yards a carry means that they and the offensive line were just downright consistent on their domination and blocking against UCLA.
(3) Notice Ludwig using 6 offensive linemen? It occurred on one of Cal's goalline plays in the south endzone. Cal had six offensive linemen on the field, with the sixth offensive lineman lining up in left B-gap (the space between the LG and LT). Not surprisingly, the run was designed to go right behind that sixth offensive lineman. Surprisingly, Cal didn't score on that play and was stopped for a minimal gain.
A lot of people aren't happy with Ludwig. I haven't been bothered too much by his playcalling (but then again I haven't really broken down a ton of film on the opponent defenses this year to see how Ludwig is reacting to the defenses). However, I do like how Ludwig throws in a rare gimmick every once in a while. Today, it was the sixth offensive lineman. Last year against UCLA it was the obscure-the-runningback-run play where Sofele tried to hide behind the offensive line, whom faked the run one direction, and Sofele ran the other direction.
(4) Ludwig's offensive cues. Avinash takes serious issue with Ludwig's predictability in his post-game recap:
There are certain plays where we give off our cues as to whether it's going to be a run or pass, and I want to smash things, because if I know what's going to happen, the defense sure as hell knows what's coming. We seem to keep on going to our shotgun formation on 3rd and short and let the defense play firmly against the pass. We line out the tailback in a receiver slot, leaving only the fullback back to pass, signaling to the defense it's obviously going to be a passing play.
This is nothing new. These cues have existed for years. They existed before Ludwig. They were there in 2006 with Dunbar. They were there in 2007 with Tedford as the offensive coordinator. They were there in 2008 with Cignetti as the offensive coordinator. I think Avinash is seeing them now because he has been breaking down a ton of film lately.
Anyways, my point here is that our offense does have cues which tips its hand. It always had cues. They haven't really changed in years, and I don't think they're really going to change that much either. Get pissed at Ludwig all you want, but you should also be pissed at Dunbar, Tedford, and Cignetti. Every offense has offensive cues that tips their hand. Most fans only see their own team's cues because that's the team that they watch the most. Other teams have them too, and that's why teams scout each other. They are looking for those cues.
What are some of Cal's cues? Use of the standard I-Formation usually means either a fullback handoff, or the flip to the runningback. A QB in shotgun with a fullback next to him rather than a RB usually means QB draw, or pass. When the offense is in 21 personnel I-formation and motions a WR to the weakside of the offensive line, it usually means run (however this year Ludwig has covered this cue slightly by adding a rollout threat by sending the motioned WR to the flat and booting the QB).
(5) About critiquing offensive playcalling... This is one of those things where fans usually say the playcalling is great when the offense works, and the playcalling sucks when the offense doesn't work. In other words, as goes the offense, so does the playcalling. That seems logical, right? Nope. Why is that? Because you can have fantastic playcalling that doesn't get yards (due to player errors, or really good defense that just out-executes your offense), or you could have poor playcalling that goes tons of yards (due to offensive players executing, and/or really bad defense).
On its face, it might look like Ludwig's playcalling against UCLA sucked because Cal only had 83 yards passing. But you really have to not look at the results but look at the process. This is what separates the arm-chair OCs and the real level-headed intelligent analysis football fans. Arm-chair OCs just look at statistics and the results. But the real fans look at what the OC is doing, why he's doing it, and what the defense is doing.
In the 2010 Arizona game, there was a lot of criticism of Ludwig for doing run on first down, run on second down, and then just playaction bootleg on third down towards the end of the game. I didn't get to see the game, and apparently that didn't work or something. People were pissed at Ludwig. But do you see the error here? People are focusing on the result. They aren't looking at the process.
What is Ludwig trying to do? In other words, what is his goal? It seemed like Ludwig wanted to move the ball, and burn clock. Nothing wrong with that.
How is he doing it? By running the ball to keep the clock moving, and setting Riley up with easy bootleg passes which keeps the defense honest against the run by defending against the QB on the bootleg. Again, nothing really wrong with that on its face.
What was the defense doing? I didn't see the game so I don't know. But perhaps the defense wasn't defending against the QB on the bootleg. Or perhaps the defense was playing a lot of Quarters coverage and prevent deep down-field passes and that's why Ludwig was throwing short dink-dunk passes rather than going deep. Do you see my point here? You have to take into account what the defense was doing. While reading a lot of the reactions to Ludwig's playcalling against Arizona, I saw ZERO analysis on what the Arizona defense was doing. If you don't even consider what the defense is doing, how can you adequately critique offensive playcalling? Offensive playcalling is all about knowing what the defense is doing, and beating the defense! You have to know what the defense is doing!
So my hope is that when people critique offensive playcalling, they are doing so with an eye on the defense too. If Ludwig really wasn't adequately adjusting to what the defense was presenting to him on previous downs, then so be it and he had bad playcalling. But as fans, we can't just say "the play didn't work so the offensive playcalling sucked," or "Ludwig should have passed down the field more" without at least being aware of what the defensive coverage has typically been.
(6) I'm already sold on Pendergast. Most people still probably aren't due to the Nevada game. But consider this, aside from that game, Cal has given up an average of 6.75 points a game. Even including the Nevada game, Cal is only giving up 15.8 points a game. That's not a lot. That's not a lot at all. Currently, that statistic puts Cal as the #17 defense in the nation for points allowed (via cfbstats.com).
My point here is that I think we might be sitting on a Top-20 defense this year, and we might not even know it yet. Of course, a defense's performance is also somewhat related to how good the offense is. Because if the offense really sucks, that means the defense will be out on the field more and they're more likely to start giving up points. So, as long as the Cal offense can at least be "good," then I think our defense will be "great."
And more food for thought: through the UCLA game, Cal is the #7 defense in the nation for yards allowed with 282 yards a game (via cfbstats.com). Cal has forced 11 turnovers for the year, good for #35th in the nation (via cfbstats.com). Cal is #34 in the nation for opponent 3rd down conversions allowed at 34% (via cfbstats.com). Cal is #8 in the nation for red zone scoring allowed at 64% (via cfbstats.com). Cal is a whopping #4 in the nation for opponent QB rating of 94.5 (via cfbstats.com). And Cal is a whopping #2 in the nation for opponent yards per pass attempt at an absolutely freaking ridiculous 4.9 yards per attempt (via cfbstats.com).
(7) Ludwig continues to use the quick-snap / slightly-up-tempo offense to catch the defense off guard. I talked about this in my Cal vs. Colorado Post-Game Thoughts. At the time I was only about 95% sure that Cal was upping the tempo, and now I'm 100% sure. Again, I saw the live sideline QB giving a new signal with the playcalls on occasion whereby Riley would then call the play, line up the offense, and quickly snap the ball.
The purpose of this is to (a) catch the defense substituting; and (b) to catch the defense off guard before they have received the defensive playcall or figured out their assignments.
One problem that would theoretically occur by using quick-snap is that the QB doesn't have time to read the defense and the defensive pass coverage. This is true. However, Cal only really uses this quick-snap on its run plays. Using the quick-snap on the run plays doesn't require the QB reading the defensive pass coverage because the offensive play isn't a pass play. Thus, the offense isn't putting itself at a disadvantage.
(8) The return of the wildcat/wildbear/crazy formation. When I talked to Tedford over the off-season, I asked him if we'd continue to use the Crazy formation with Vereen now that Jahvid Best was gone. He smiled, and sort of excitedly said that we'll still use it, and we might even see someone other than Vereen running. So when Cal opened up at home against UC Davis, I thought for sure that we'd see some Crazy. Nope. Perhaps against Colorado? Nope. Perhaps against Nevada? Nope. So I figured by then that Tedford had just decided to scrap it, but alas he didn't, and he wasn't bull-shitting me.
So how is Sofele in Crazy? I think he's doing fine. His small size can make him a little hard to see behind the offensive line. I think his first carry out of Crazy (when the offense was south of the 50 and driving towards the south endzone) was spectacular. On that carry he was isolated against a single defender and juked him out of his shoes. The kid is shifty and when he gets some space he can be dangerous. However, don't expect Sofele to keep taking the ball outside on those Crazy formation plays since the running lane is designed to be in the strong side C-gap (the space between tackle and the tight end).
If you watch the Crazy play which occurred in the first quarter with 6:40 remaining on the clock, you see a lucky play where Cal avoided a costly mistake. On this play, Cal center #65 Galas snapped the ball too early. Sofele, luckily, was able to catch the premature snap to avoid a fumble or turnover and even ran for a few yards. Why did this snap occur early? Because of crowd noise. Which brings me to my next point...
(9) The announcer guy has to STOP saying "First down, Bears!" or "First and goal, Bears!" completely, or either say it much earlier. I've harped on this before a long time ago, but this announcement of first downs and first and goals is hampering the offense. Remember, when the Cal offense is on the field, you should NOT be making any noise at all. Not even cheering. Crowd noise prevents the offensive players from hearing the QB's cadence and playcalls. If they don't hear the cadence or playcall, a mistake, penalty, or turnover could ensue. This is exactly what happened on the wildcat/wildbear/Crazy play I mentioned above (6:40 in the First Quarter). The announcer guy said "First and Goal, Bears!" The Cal crowd cheered. Galas couldn't hear Sofele's cadence, and prematurely snapped the ball.
I've sent an email to Cal about this problem (years ago), and even received a gracious response. And for the next few games after my email, the Cal announcer guy heeded my advice and started saying the "First down" stuff earlier, so the crowd would cheer earlier, and not while the Cal offense was at the line of scrimmage. However, as the years went on, he slowly reverted back to the old timing (saying all that stuff too late) which produces too much crowd noise while the Cal offense is on the field.
It's doubtful that Cal will stop the announcer guy from saying that stuff completely. And I'm not sure if the announcer guy will ever realize how his poor timing is affecting the team. So please, do the Cal offense a favor, and DO NOT CHEER WHEN THE ANNOUNCER GUY SAYS "FIRST DOWN, BEARS!" Please, tell your friends too.
(10) Good to see Desean Jackson at a Cal game. Bringing notable Cal alumni NFL players to games is a great way to pump up the current players, build up the school's reputation as an NFL factory, and earn recruiting points with potential highschool recruits.
I didn't quite think that I'd ever see Jackson at a Cal game after the news came out about him being hurt about the negative rumors regarding his personality during the draft process (Jackson said that they came from "Cal somewhere"; however Jackson has also said he has "a lot of love for the Golden Bears"). So seeing him out there on the sidelines, and pumping up the student section was a big surprise and a nice showing. I hope to see him, and other notable Cal alumni come back to Memorial for some home games.
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Perhaps I wasn't as clear with why I was so irritated by the offensive cues Ludwig's playcalling gives off.
But I’ll try and reiterate:
The thing I loved about the old Tedford offense is that it was simple and dynamic. As Hydro alluded to, when we were in I-form, we tend to run the little running back flip and an occasional fullback dive, but we also run play action after a succesful run, verticals on 2nd and short, and regular West Coast offense Most importantly, you have to respect the run and the pass in almost all those situations (other than maybe 3rd and long). Because most defenses are usually caught reacting to the last play, it opens their defense up to other vulnerabilities. The cues we give off might let them know what plays are coming, but they usually don’t let a team know whether it’s run or pass.
When we line Vereen out wide and line Stevens strong or weak as the lone back, we are pretty much telling the defense we’re passing the ball. This would bother me less if it was 3rd and 10, but I’ve seen us doing it on 3rd and 4/5 (not an unreasonable down to expect run/pass), and it allows the defense to lock in on the pass and make it difficult for Riley to make good throws because coverage gets blanketed. This is irritating because 3rd and short is supposed to be an advantage.
Shotgun isn’t as bad, but it has its flaws. It takes away that run/pass dynamic (draw plays sometimes work but are very high variable compared to under center runs), and allows linebackers to jump routes or sag back and double cover the receivers. The pick-six that Riley threw against Nevada (and nearly did against Arizona) came from shotgun; linebackers had the luxury to jump routes since they weren’t nearly as concerned with a running draw play. If we’re in shotgun, we have to trust Riley to throw intermediate routes, and right now we seem to primarily focusing on shallow (screens and stop routes) and deep patterns (posts and corners).
I dunno. I guess I have to watch the games again, but I feel we’re going to get burned if we run too many plays like that against the rest of the conference.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2010 4:00 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I have a vague memory of reading about Tedford’s offense ca. 2004. Rather than being praised for coming up with lots of innovative plays—or even running a wide variety of plays—Tedford was praised for running a well-executed set of bread-and-butter plays, each one from multiple formations.
I’m not sure how accurate of an assessment this is of the Cortez-era Tedford offense, but it sounds like Cal might benefit from going back to its roots?
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by California Pete on Oct 11, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, we didn’t really have much variety in the Cortez days. But even up to 2007 we only ran some base spreads.
Could they? Probably. I’m more of a fan of having five to six base plays and running them excellently rather than having thirty to forty plays that we run alright, although I can see the argument as to why we would go both ways. An offense is only as good as its line and its quarterback, and neither has been really consistent the past five years.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m with you 100% on Clancy.
Granted, fucla does not run the Pistol like NV, but to come back with that kind of dominant performance says a lot to me about his ability to learn from mistakes, adjust and get his players on track. Did he change the tactical approach to stopping the HB-QB option or did we just actually execute the same plan we had against NV?
GOLD OUT MOZAMBIQUE!
There will be a few games where he whiffs (Nevada) or the D runs out of gas/good fortune (Zona), but I really like his style. It’s early still, but this might be Tedford’s finest hire to date. The next question is how long will he stay…
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
All last week....
…..the coaches claimed that it was not a scheme problem, but a matter of everyone being disciplined with his assignments. However, one of the players let it slip late last week that he liked the new scheme they were going to employ. No matter which is true, Prince’s fakes weren’t nearly as good as Kap’s, and Prince wasn’t much of a threat to run. On most plays not first down, it was somewhat obvious what UCLA had to do, so I think on many occasions they didn’t run pistol plays.
The QB running game was like night and day between Prince and Kaep. Prince would run for 2 yards and you just stood there, knowing that if Kaep wasplaying, he’d have 15 yards already. That was such a massive difference that it really allowed the D to key in on the run
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I think the Nevada game was an aberration. The players just didn’t trust each other to take care of their assignments and they started second guessing and covering for each other rather than letting each man just do their job. I think had our guys executed the scheme, the scheme would have been fine, and our defense would have been more successful stopping Nevada.
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Great stuff as always, Hydro. Here’s what I saw after re-watching the game:
1) Galas has my vote for offensive MVP. I forgive him for the two holds (one was a weak call, the other was legit – he whiffed and had to grab). He was just blowing guys off the ball. On one play during our 2nd TD drive, he shoved his guy ten yards deep. He should start at center for the rest of the year.
2) This was the best showing by the Cal fullbacks all year. Stevens had some great blocks to spring both Vereen and Isi on those early drives. I didn’t see a let-down when Kapp and Tyndall rotated in. It’s really nice to see improvement here. Initially, I was perplexed that we had more formations featured a FB instead of the double TE sets we were using earlier in the year. But, the guys clearly stepped up and rewarded the coaching staff’s faith.
3) Besides the obvious domination in the trenches. I love the effort displayed by the Dline. What caught my eye was how many times they would rush hard, then disengage and run back to help tackle the ball carrier in the 2nd level. (Jordan was especially good at this all day.) My favorite play of the day was actually on Franklin’s 30 yd – scamper. Anyone else notice how it was D. Hill and D. Coleman that were in full sprint behind him on the sidelines? Neither of them had any chance but were hustling anyway. That type of motor reflects great coaching. It’s also a reflection of the quality depth on the line – they were rotating constantly to keep guys fresh and let them play like their hair was on fire. Absolutely awesome.
4) I loved the Beefcake Package with MSG lined up behind Schwartz and Schwenke. I also saw him in-line next to Edwards. That’s a creative use of personnel. Not sure if Edwards was nicked, if MSG was just outplaying him, or they’re trying to get MSG into better game shape – but he replaced Edwards at RT in the 2nd quarter and looked like he played the rest of the game there.
5) We had trouble with Ayers and Owa coming off the edge. Some of those “bad playcalls” or “lousy throws/decisions” resulted from Ayers making great plays. Sometimes you have to give credit to the D. Both of those guys are going to play on Sundays. Sooner rather than later, I hope.
6) The ucla coaching staff picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. Seriously – didn’t they read Avi’s keys to the game?!?!?! They played a base 7 in the box defense almost all day. I only saw 2-3 times with 8 in the box. No disguising the safeties…late drops…late charging the line. It’s like they figured on using their front 7 to control our run, double up our WR’s and figure that by forcing us into 3rd and longs, Riley would force one to Price or Moore. Except we were blowing them off the ball. They didn’t look to change much until they were already down 21-0.
7) I didn’t have any issues with the playcalling. I saw a creative use of different sets and runs. We didn’t take any deep shots, but we didn’t need to. Why play to their defensive strengths (All-american ball-hawk safety, + a defense scheme geared towards coverage) when our Ravens-lite approach was working? They only way they could get back in the game was with stupid turnovers from our unsteady passing game. I know we tip off a lot of plays/formations, but my sense is that this is always intended to see how the D reacts and sets up counters from similar formations later. Only in this case, we never needed to go to our counters because they couldn’t stop our initial play. No reason to tip your hand and show plan B if plan A is dominating. For example, I know we usually throw out when Vereen is split out wide – but I noticed we ran it the first few times early in the game. I thought it was a creative use of formations to start the game – we ran almost exclusively out of “pass-only” looks that had been established in previous games. It kept ucla from stacking the box because they were thinking pass.
8) This is the part where I’m supposed to tell you that I re-watched all of Riley’s sacks and mis-throws and tell you that it wasn’t really his fault. Um. Sorry. I got nuthin’. There were a few times where Ayers/Owa just plain beat their guys and forced him to step up, and there were at least a couple of times where it looked like nothing was open down-field. It still doesn’t excuse the fact that he really looked indecisive in his decision-making. He was limping off/on, so maybe the hamstring is in his head. Anyone know a good sports psychologist?
9) I’d agree that it’s very interesting to me that Tedford is finally calling out Riley in public after going through so much trouble to build him up early in the year. That suggests to me that maybe Sweeney is showing improvement in practice (since Riley didn’t take any reps during the bye week) or Tedford is finally losing patience. I’m not sure how I feel about this. It’s clear that Riley doesn’t play well when pressured, or lacking confidence. I’m really hoping he’s not the most talented QB we have on staff – but he gives us the best chance to win right now.
10) I can’t believe there were still people saying “Yeaaaah. Isi did okay. But I’d still like to see Debo as the backup.” Y’all make me smile. Isn’t great that we can nitpick a 35-7 romp? I’m proud of the guys for bouncing back and playing with passion after the tough one in the desert. Wouldn’t you love to just destroy all of the trojans hopes and dreams next weekend? Yeah. Me too. Go Bears!
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by Kodiak on Oct 11, 2010 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
great post, recd.
If Riley played like a 4*, Cal would likely be 4-1 and maybe undefeated with high hopes to finish the year. The running game/defense are that good and the ST are serviceable.
In another post*, I believe Avi called Sweeney “only a 3* and/or weak/weakest out of the QB talent that Tedford & Co has currently accrued.” That maybe so, but I think a solid, competent QB could get the Bears to 10-2 this year. I’m not necessarily sure that Sweeney’s that guy, but here’s the kind of QB play that I’m talkin’ about:
- Scramble/throw away when it’s not there (don’t get sacked/have fumble forced evair)
- Sell the run/play action
- Make the touch throws to the playmakers
- No INT’s
- No numnut penalties/plays (late up to the line, delay of game, burning timeouts b/c u r dumbass, false start (srsly, WTF), audibling to a dumb play
- Complete enough passes so the run game can keep going.
Basically, play like a jr who used to be a 3* recruit and has a direct lineage to Tedford’s days under center at Fresno St.
This team can win with what many would consider to be mediocore QB play/passing game – we just aren’t there with Riley.
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--Coach Clark
Riley could have played exactly the same way he has played so far and Cal could easily still be 3-1. If Loggy hadnt backpedaled out of bounds or Tavecchio had made one of the two kicks he missed in Arizona.
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yes, but even then…we’d realize that nearly all Pac10 games would be toss-ups.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
But all Pac10 games, pretty much, are toss-ups. There is no dominant team this year like USC 2004 or whatever. Cal has a chance to beat all the teams remaining on its schedule. Will it? Probably not.
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agreed, but if Cal had such a competent “game-manager” with qualities that I described above, I’d really like their chances against USC, Oregon, Oregon St, and Stanfraid. The current Cal team could easily go 2-2 or 1-3 against those teams…this mythical Cal team that I speak of could go 3-1 and perhaps 4-0.
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--Coach Clark
I would say that Oregon has been very dominant.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 11, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I would say that their 2nd halves have more than made up for very slow starts. They were down 21-3 against Stanford and struggled against WSU. They are clearly the class of the division, but I don’t think they are unbeatbale.
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Heck, that they can come back so strong using the run makes them even scarier. 14 of Furd’s points against them were lucky as can be.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 11, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
2004 USC wasn’t unbeatable, either. We were 1st and goal at the end of the game with a good chance to win, we just didn’t pull it out. Oregon might not be quite as good as that USC team, but they’re close, and we’re not not nearly as good as that 2004 Cal team.
by atomsareenough on Oct 11, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
*Sunday’s/Monday’s are tough because people have really good points but they are all in 3-6 various posts throughout the blog. It gets tough to follow/talk about.
That being said, I don’t think there’s a solution and I very much appreciate the high-quality content delivered by the mods and expert commentators.
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I agree. You know I love you guys but a little more streamlining postgame would be mucho appreciado.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 11, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d love to hear what your conception of “more streamlining postgame” would entail.
Generally, we have the following post-game posts. First, we have an immediate post-game thread so that there is a fresh thread for people to discuss the game in separate from the 4th quarter thread (which tends to already have several hundred comments in it already). The immediate post-game thread tends to be very brief and in the case of home games is written before the game. SBN requests that we have an immediate post-game thread and also we put the Report Card there, so that works out. Then, generally hours later, we have a more in depth post-game thoughts thread. This week CBKWit was so moved by the UCLA beatdown that he wanted to write one, so we had two. I always love to see what CBKWit writes, so I thought that was great.
Then, on Sunday, we tend to have a Golden Nuggets post with post-game stories and on Monday a post-game thoughts thread where somebody has re-watched the game and provides in depth thoughts (generally Hydro, although Kodiak has also done it in the past). Those 3 posts tend to constitute the extent of our general post-game thoughts.
I feel that each of these posts plays a specific role and that the writers who put them together do a great job with them. Howver, we are always looking at ways to improve and would love to hear your thoughts on how to stream line it.
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Consolidate some of them?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 11, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know what we could change. How can we alter what people want to talk about? Apparently everyone wants to discuss Riley this week.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Have combine the “reporting” post with the report card and one “my thoughts” post from all the bloggists? this would enable CBK to post his “reveling” feature and hydro’s thoughts. or hydro’s thoughts could come later in the week?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 11, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
that…sucks
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 11, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t let a minority of unhappy readers make you think there aren’t a majority of people silently not commenting (like me) who love the additional content!
I’m quite happy, I just thought it was appropriate to bring up this issue.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
No, it’s cool. I think we all appreciate the kind words as well as the constructive feedback.
Part of the issue is that everyone is on different schedules. It’s hard to coordinate things. Also, it takes time to review and put stuff together.
I think it’s pretty darn amazing how quickly Avi and CBKWit get things up immediately post game.
I was asked to sub in for Hydro last week – ’had to juggle watching the kids while re-watching film Sunday am in order to do the write-up Sunday pm.
I was really glad this week when he tweeted me that he was planning to do his normal post-game thoughts. It let me go fishing without worrying about homework. :)
Like you said, I’m not sure if there’s a good solution. Maybe putting links to the previous discussions with the newer posts?
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It’s like they figured on using their front 7 to control our run, double up our WR’s and figure that by forcing us into 3rd and longs, Riley would force one to Price or Moore. Except we were blowing them off the ball.
We didn’t take any deep shots, but we didn’t need to. Why play to their defensive strengths (All-american ball-hawk safety, + a defense scheme geared towards coverage)
If only other people could see that as well, they might understand one of the big reasons why our passing numbers were below average.
While Riley throws, or used to throw, a nice deep ball, I don’t think the offensive brain trust has enough confidence that (a) pass protection will hold up long enough, (b) that Riley will take a sack (thereby killing a drive regardless of down/distance), or © Riley won’t tip it off/throw a pick.
I’m not sure we saw a deep ball vs Arizona, iirc. We may only see them vs. inferior defenses like Wazzu, Colorado, etc and perhaps maybe even USC (but I doubt it).
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Then that means the better, more athletic defenses have done a good job taking away the long ball. After about 3 games into a season, defenses have a good idea of what they can do to stop an offense. As Kodiak noted and from my observations as well, ucla played with 7 in the box most of the game. This tells us that ucla was respecting the pass by keeping 1-2 safeties back the majority of the time. Against ucla , Cal has been pretty good at getting behind their safeties the past 2 years. I was expecting to see Cal’s long ball return against ucla but this year, the ucla secondary was a lot more disciplined. Fortunately, Cal was able to hammer ucla in the run game.
I agree with your a/b/c points and think those are other reasons that contribute to playcalling selection
“If only other people could see that as well, they might understand one of the big reasons [7 in the box] why our passing numbers were below average.”
Cali49a, I agree in part, and would likely agree in full had our passing numbers last Saturday been indeed simply “below average.” One cannot justify that abysmal passing performance (I believe I read it amounted to less than 20 yds passing for the entirety of the second half) based on there being 7 in the box.
UA had more in the box for most of their game vs the Bears and KR13’s passing numbers were still poor (116 yds, 50.0 CMP%; 0 TD’S). The Beavers’ QB Ryan Katz (sophomore and 1st year starter) had considerably better passing numbers against the ‘Cats this Saturday @ Arizona (almost 400 yds passing, 71.4 CMP%, 3 TD’s).
Tedford strongly prefers a balanced offense and, even accounting for the ucla DC’s bone-headed strategy to focus on the pass, JT has expressed several times in the last couple of weeks his concern with having to use money-maker Shane so often and increase his exposure to injury. In fact in the post-game, JT and KR13 himself were certainly not using the 7 in the box argument to excuse his alarming performance; far from it.
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by Nasal Mucus Goldenbear on Oct 13, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Tedford strongly prefers a balanced offense and, even accounting for the ucla DC’s bone-headed strategy to focus on the pass, JT has expressed several times in the last couple of weeks his concern with having to use money-maker Shane so often and increase his exposure to injury. In fact in the post-game, JT and KR13 himself were certainly not using the 7 in the box argument to excuse his alarming performance; far from it.
Not sure what exactly the point is you are trying to make here since you jammed so many thoughts into 1 sentence, but I’ll try to address them.
First, you should know that playing 7 in the box is not the only reason why I believe our passing game was subpar against UCLA. It seems like you are hanging on my 7 in the box comment to argue against me, but believe me, it’s not the only reason.
Second, players and coaches dumb it down to the dumbest of dumb levels when they talk to the media. It’s the media. You really don’t learn anything technical from the media. The media is given very little technical information to go off of because quite frankly, most of them don’t care about it, the information would fly over their heads for the most part, and they can only fit so many words into their columns. If you ever talk to a player or coach, they are more candid off the record but they are still very guarded in what they say. I had the opportunity after the ucla game to talk to some of the players and what they were saying sure as heck wasn’t anything the media put out there.
Third, when you say this “even accounting for the ucla DC’s bone-headed strategy to focus on the pass”, you are basically backing my point and answering your question on why the passing game was bad on a high level.
Fourth, Shane ran 25 and Sofele 13 times (i think). That’s a 2:1 balance in carries between the 2 backs which is
about where it should be. I do agree that 25 is pushing Shane’s limit but he was not getting hit nearly as hard and as often by the ucla defense as he was down in Arizona, hence the number of carries he had.
One cannot justify that abysmal passing performance (I believe I read it amounted to less than 20 yds passing for the entirety of the second half) based on there being 7 in the box.
20 yards is pathetic. I agree with you. And you are right. There were sometimes 6 in the box and not just 7. And having 7 in the box definitely does not explain entirely the abysmal passing performance. However, you will find in the second half that receivers ran bad routes, UCLA players made some great defensive plays, OL protection issues, whiffed blocks, a QB that threw some not so great passes, and a QB trying to do too much on passing plays. That’s the executive summary for the passing game problem against ucla.
"The citing of statistics is annoying to say the least."
Especially so when the statistics argue so strongly against the annoyed person’s position.
Not really. Too many people make generalizations based on statistics and don’t break down each and every play to get a better understanding of the whole picture. That is what is annoying to me. What do we usually get? It’s ALWAYS the QBs fault. ALWAYS. Then maybe somebody will say a WR dropped a pass and place some blame there. Then maybe somebody will realize there are some protection issues with the OL. And then, if we are SUPER LUCKY, somebody might conclude that the defense is making great plays and has a great scheme to take away Cal’s strengths. And the rarest of rare is when there is commentary on what the offense is doing to adjust and counter the defense. Not surprisingly, only a handful of Cal fans get it all and sadly, the majority of those that understand what is going on are not vocal about it on the internet. Statistics can give an idea of what a strength/weakness but it rarely tells the whole story.
UA had more in the box for most of their game vs the Bears and KR13’s passing numbers were still poor (116 yds, 50.0 CMP%; 0 TD’S). The Beavers’ QB Ryan Katz (sophomore and 1st year starter) had considerably better passing numbers against the ‘Cats this Saturday @ Arizona (almost 400 yds passing, 71.4 CMP%, 3 TD’s).
Unless you break down the film and provide a comprehensive scouting report and breakdown of each team, what they ran, and how they executed, those are just merely statistics that don’t tell the whole story. Is OSU a better passing team? Based on those stats, I would say yes. But what is it that makes them a better passing team based on those stats? THAT is what I want to know. Based on what you have said here, it doesn’t sound like you have taken into account everything UA did and where Cal failed to execute in the passing game. Was Riley off on passes? Yes. Were there drops? Yes. Did UA blow up some of our screen plays? Ahhh. So there are pass plays that get blown up because of missed block that do not show up on the stat sheet. Did Cal have some bad play calls against good UA defensive calls? Ahhh. Some plays are doomed from the start. There is always more than meets the eye when it comes to stats. I don’t disagree with you that they are telling of the bigger problems in general, but they hardly tell the whole story
I know we tip off a lot of plays/formations, but my sense is that this is always intended to see how the D reacts and sets up counters from similar formations later. Only in this case, we never needed to go to our counters because they couldn’t stop our initial play. No reason to tip your hand and show plan B if plan A is dominating. For example, I know we usually throw out when Vereen is split out wide – but I noticed we ran it the first few times early in the game. I thought it was a creative use of formations to start the game – we ran almost exclusively out of "pass-only" looks that had been established in previous games. It kept ucla from stacking the box because they were thinking pass.
Great observation!
Riley is improving though...
nice kodiak recd.
I know Riley’s throws are still too high (even on open passes).. too behind (even the TD throw to KAllen was a little behind), he has to make a decision faster, and has to know when to throw the ball away…. I want to at least say something nice I noticed this game.
We all know that Riley has a habit of running out of the pocket as soon as the dline gets close to him. He would never stick to the pocket and trust his oline. He’ll start scrambling to the left or the right pretty much breaking up the entire offensive sequence. This game he seemed a lot more disciplined in staying in the pocket. That is one GOOD thing I saw in riley this game and something he has been getting better at. Good job Riley.
I understand we always wonder if anyone else can take over.. but the times I’ve seen Sweetney in the game – I can see why Tedford would think long and hard before switching. Sweetney has some potential.. a great runner.. but his reads are too slow at the moment. He seems to only be able to check his primary two receivers and if nothing is there he just tucks and runs every time. He too needs to develop the skill of checking all his options and then being patient in the pocket and running only when all is lost or if there is a great opportunity. If he can improve on those things I think he can be a serviceable quarterback. Right now.. not as much.
Having said that.. I am more bullish on Austin Hinder and Allen Bridgeford..
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by cleancutmedia on Oct 11, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t you love to just destroy all of the trojans hopes and dreams next weekend?
Hopes and dreams of…. what, again?
by atomsareenough on Oct 11, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
(5) About critiquing offensive playcalling...
(5) About critiquing offensive playcalling… This is one of those things where fans usually say the playcalling is great when the offense works, and the playcalling sucks when the offense doesn’t work. In other words, as goes the offense, so does the playcalling.
On its face, it might look like Ludwig’s playcalling against UCLA sucked because Cal only had 83 yards passing. But you really have to not look at the results but look at the process. This is what separates the arm-chair OCs and the real level-headed intelligent analysis football fans. Arm-chair OCs just look at statistics and the results. But the real fans look at what the OC is doing, why he’s doing it, and what the defense is doing.
I don’t agree with the wording of the last sentence. I know what you are trying to say, but if taken literally, it can come off the wrong way to people. I know a number of people that go to every game – home and away – that are "real fans " who just go to cheer on the team and don’t armchair QB. Sorry to nitpick but to classify those folks with the armchair QBs is not kosher for me.
Anyhow, I agree with everything else you said. There’s too much armchair QB’ing on the internet but you can practically tell off the bat who knows his or her stuff or has a good idea of what they are talking about based on how their arguments and explanations are framed and what type of evidence they use.
The citing of statistics is annoying to say the least.
When the offense is in 21 personnel I-formation and motions a WR to the weakside of the offensive line, it usually means run (however this year Ludwig has covered this cue slightly by adding a rollout threat by sending the motioned WR to the flat and booting the QB).
Yeah, I’ve noticed that WR motion almost always means run play (makes sense). How often have we done the rollout this year? I’m not remembering too clearly.
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Yeah. We’ve shaded to it a couple of times, so I don’t mind giving off this cue as much as I do the shotgun and fullback sets.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
(1)© I’m starting to wonder if Riley is putting himself at risk of losing his starting job.
Where are the armchair QBs that crapped on Tedford for not outright handing Riley the starting job in 2008 and 2009? Maybe. Just MAYBE he saw the erratic and inconsistent play of Riley in practice and camps and decided it was best not to hand him the keys to the car. Riley has been the model of inconsistency through the years – even though I have argued that he is dramatically better this year (which he is) but he is still too inconsistent.
by Cali49a on Oct 11, 2010 8:58 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It is now clear that Tedford’s pre-season praise of Riley was either (a) an incompetent evaluation by Tedford or (b) a near-desperate attempt to jumpstart Riley. Let’s go with the latter on this one.
The latest desperate attempt is this “Riley better shape up or else” which will allow Tedford to pull the plug next time, as Hydro suggests, and I think that day will happen in the 2010 season. Let’s hope Sweeney “manages the game” well enough to keep that spot for the rest of the year. What I don’t want is a flip-flop where we have 2 QBs which really means we have 0 QBs.
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or the most obvious: © Riley looks good in practice, but it hasn’t translated during actual game play
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by Thoroughbred on Oct 11, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t believe Riley could look good against any of Cal’s defensive units if they play the way they’ve been playing in games this year.
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--Coach Clark
Sure he could. As a former college athlete, I know you know how different the intensity level is during gameplay.
Here are my probabilities: a) .5% b) .5% c) 99%
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by Thoroughbred on Oct 11, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
fair enough
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Just saying that it’s not a stretch to think that once gameday rolls around with 60k ppl waiting to dissect your every fart, Riley becomes very conservative himself — scared to take chances. I really think it’s a paralysis by analysis thing, and he’d do well if he mixed in a little Jacory Harris (note: not too much or we’d be totally fucked).
Some of the screen misses to Shane are defenseless. I think that’s probably what has Tedford the most POd
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by Thoroughbred on Oct 11, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
paralysis by analysis
I think that’s a great point – and I’d say our last three qbs have suffered from it a great deal. I’d say that falls to Tedford.
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Tedford ought to hire Annie Savoy to loosen up the QBs. With the recruiting of Keenan Allen et al., he’s already built the Carolina pipeline to Memorial Stadium.

BTW. While I’m on the subject of baseball. Giants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Oct 11, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
“And run game aside, Riley’s breakfast clearly included a feta cheese omelette. And, onions? Actually I don’t care just please someone dear god open a window.”
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 11, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Let’s hope he doesn’t get replaced at all. Why would anyone WISH for that to happen? If that were to happen (injury aside), it means that the QB play is suffering. My WISH is that he plays so perfectly, we don’t have this conversation again.
As far as predicting the most probably, I’m a Cal fan. I live in the wish-to-happen world.
(3) Notice Ludwig using 6 offensive linemen?
I like this change. Cal used the extra OL in their goal line offense package against Nevada, too, though they lined up MSG in a different spot iirc.
Also saw it against Colorado.
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
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Should I be more confident that Cal can slow/stop Oregon this year? Not saying Cal will win, as they still have to score points, but I can see the Bears stopping Oregon’s offense.
Of course, but I could also see Clancy needing some time to understand what’s going on with Oregon. Nevada was a new opponent/offense for everyone…Oregon’s kind of a known commodity.
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It will probably take....
…..extremely good one-on-one tackling and and good pass coverage by the linebackers. The defense seems to play well enough to be able to do that, so I’m thinking it’s possible.
I think we can slow them down. Their 2nd halves seem to be very productive for them, so I don’t know if we can do it all game long. I am happy we have them at home, though.
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I haven’t seen much beyond highlights of Oregon’s games. What happens in the 2nd half? Does Kelly just make amazing adjustments or does their O-line simply wear down the opponents? It must be a lot of the former on both sides of the ball because their defense also seems to shut down opponents especially well in the 2nd half.
Should I be more confident that Cal can slow/stop Oregon this year?
Home? Check.
Pendergast? Check.
Not-2009? Check.
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by Thoroughbred on Oct 11, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Chance of epic 2008 monsoon and it somehow benefiting Cal? Check.
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--Coach Clark
You would have thought the 2008 rains would benefit the better running team, which was Oregon. However, Longshore managed to throw pretty well in that game despite the weather. I remember when they took out Masoli in a desperation move at the tail end of the game.
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i miss longshore
pre-ankle injury longshore – awesome
post-ankle injury longshore – with our defense we would go up by 40 by end of third, then longshore can throw his 1-2 picks in the 4th and we’d still win. Or we can put in Riley at that point.
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by cleancutmedia on Oct 11, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Riley had a good drive that day too ending with a nice TD pass to Ross (seriously I remember it being a sweet ball that he delivered in that rain). And then he went and got a concussion.
That was probably the only game the whole year where both our QBs were good.
And of course we had Follet. I almost thought the Pain Train was gonna go on offense. Alas he was just pumping them up for a Vereen TD.
In other words, Go Bears!
I thought a cool playcall was on Riley’s TD run. It looked like the fullback was split out wide, and then Riley took it in himself where the fb was lined up previously. Definitely a OH NO HE DI INT moment.
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Our fans are so consistently clueless. I’ve literally had to direct folks all year when to be loud and when to be quiet. Is football really that complicated? Aren’t Berkeley kids supposed to be smart?
GREAT analysis. GO BEARS.
by Another Failed Tedford QB on Oct 11, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
D-Jax at the game...
Flickr user enasccis got a nice capute of the former Cal wideout in front of the student section.
by Monica's Dad on Oct 11, 2010 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
A play that I've only seen twice and I want to see more of:
I’ve only seen it run vs Oregon 06 (first or 2nd TD IIRC) and Furd 08.
I don’t remember if it’s play action (if it was then the RB was Lynch and Best respectively) but the QB (Longshore and Riley) turned to the strong side of the offensive line (left and right respectively) where it seemed like the entire OL, WRs and the opposing defense went to. The TE (Stevens and Morrah) faked a block, released and then went to the opposite side (right and left) where he was wide open for a nice little lob by the QB for a TD.
I love that play.
In other words, Go Bears!
I wish we could run nothing but that play. Hilarious to see the lone tight end standing in the endzone just kind of waiting patiently for the inevitable touchdown, and then the kind of “well, I didn’t have to do much work, but I’ll take it” expression after the catch is made.
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4 & 6
I agree with these ones so much.
4) We’ve always been super predictable out of a lot of sets. We run the same plays out of 1 formation over and over because we consider it one of our bread and butter plays. If the other team finally overcommits on it, we run the counter to that play (play-action off a run play, RB wheel route of passes to the flats, etc). Ludwig is just doing more of the same and I think Ludwig has actually done a good job. This week, he even stuck with the run game (much easier when it’s gashing for yards as it was).
6) Pendergast is all kinds of awesome. I have tons of confidence in our defense against pretty much any team but Oregon now. I feel like if any team scores a lot on us, it’ll be because they earned it through stellar play. That’s all we can ask.
antastic defense…loved the CB blitzes, ability to shut down the tailbacks, and pressure coming from unpredictable places. When UCLA motioned a WR, a CB would follow suggesting they played more man coverage than the Bob Gregory years. He seems confident in using man coverage vs. anemic passing offenses like UCD, Colorado, and UCLA. I don’t believe they played as much man coverage against zona, did they?
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I don’t think so. But Zona uses so many crosses and combo routes that playing pure man all the time would be tough.
I liked how they mixed up man/zone against ucla. Also, I saw several instances where the CB’s came up and jammed the WR’s – really looked like it threw off the timing of their routes.
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Great work Hydro
Really liked this:
If you don’t even consider what the defense is doing, how can you adequately critique offensive playcalling? Offensive playcalling is all about knowing what the defense is doing, and beating the defense! You have to know what the defense is doing!Anyway, I agree that Pendergast has been amazing so far, and I chalk up Nevada to him getting accustomed to the pace of teaching college students as opposed to pros. This year our D might fly under the radar, but next year I expect them to be highly touted. And a good D will keep us in more games than not, there’s plenty of hope for finishing in the top half of the Pac-10.
Finally, I thought the quick snap is a good idea, but would to see something other than a halfback dive (I think that was the only play called for that?).
Thanks
Yeah, those quick snaps are all just run plays, and they all seem to be iso plays. I’m not sure we are going to see anything else. Running iso keeps the RB safe between a bunch of blocking rather than doing outside zone or something. Also, by doing iso and not power (with a pulling backside guard) Cal keeps things simple for themselves and doesn’t have to worry as much about assignments (by catching the defense off guard, the defense may not be set enough for the offense to figure out their assignments). So I don’t think we’ll see much more than just RB iso. We definitely won’t be seeing passing plays since the quick-snap prevents the QB from reading the defense.
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