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How the 2007 collapse translates to the 8-5 mini-collapse in 2009

The utter collapse of 2007 (far worse than 2009) resulted in a pretty shitty recruiting class in Feb 2008.  Check the players other teams picked up while the Bears pretty much whiffed on everyone except Marvin Jones that year (and maybe Kendricks and Tucker). 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=3234283

 

Oregon State – Jacquizz Rodgers

Stanford – Andrew Luck, Chris Owusu

Washington – Jermaine Kearse

Oregon – LaMichael James, Nick Cody, LeGarrette Blount

UCLA – Rahim Moore, Kevin Prince

 

[NOTE: Excluding USC since their recruiting classes are always stellar.]

 

These guys are all pretty good, and some are studs.  They played for other teams as starters in 2009 (except Blount, who should have been) while the Bears had 1 guy make a significant impact from the same class.  The Cal coaching staff’s 2007 team collapse affected the 2009 team. 

 

It looks like the Bears have some solid, potentially explosive players coming up through the program now for 2010 and beyond.  It is possible that the worst effects of the 2007 collapse are behind the program already.  And if 8-5 qualifies as "the worst effects" then I'll take it...however painful consecutive 42-3 and 30-3 drubbings by Oregon and USC might be. 

 

Go Bears.

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Just wondering

Was Cal competing for any of those recruits listed above? Who were the guys we were targeting that year?

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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 5, 2010 1:33 PM PST reply actions  

So just to be clear

This fanpost suggests that the following class is “shitty”?

Class of 2008 in full:
Marvin Jones WR
J.P.Hurrell LB
Spencer Ladner TE
Tyler Rigsbee OT
Dominic Galas OT
Covaughn Deboskie RB
Beau Sweeney QB
Anthony Miller TE
Marc Anthony CB
Trevor Guyton DT
Mychal Kendricks LB
Jarrett Sparks TE
Josh Hill CB
Joseph Washington WR (not on team)
Kendrick Payne DT
Matt Rios LS
Charles Satchell WR
Aaron Tipoti DE

JC signees:
Kamron Yancy DB
Verran Tucker WR
Bryant Nnabuife CB

With all due respect, to say that only one of these players has made “significant impact” is an understatement. In addition to Marvin Jones, I’d put Tucker, Nnabuife, Miller, and Kendricks on that list. And before their careers are over, maybe we add Payne and Hill, too.

Too early to throw the Class of 2008 under the bus. Some of those recruits at other schools played because they had to. A lot of our 2008 guys have had to wait their turn. For example, DeBoskie had a couple of decent RBs in front of him.

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Jan 5, 2010 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

Agree, though I would add its still early to say that Ladner, Sweeney, DeBoskie and Tipoti won’t turn into studs as well. Most Class of 2008 recruits redshirt at every school. So most saw their first playing time this year as redshirt Freshmen.

Rodgers and Luck and the others got more playing time earlier on at the other schools because those schools weren’t as stacked at those positions. Nevertheless, to say that we missed out on those guys is a little erroneous, as you can expect every Pac10 school to pick up a few top guys and unless your initials are U$C, its unrealistic to expect you’re going to steal ALL the top guys from the other schools.

The compensation provided under [Jeff Tedford's] contract is funded exclusively from athletic department revenues and private fundraising and no State or general campus funds are used in this arrangement.

by dballisloose on Jan 6, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I think two things: (1) Your expectations might be a bit high, not every year is going to yield a Best or DeSean, (B) it is too soon to discount and quantify 2007’s class. They were either redshirt freshman or true sophomores this year, far too soon to draw conclusions.

Furthermore, Payne and Tipoti played significant minutes, with Payne more than excelling. Anthony Miller was our clutch 3rd down receiving tight end. Hill, Anthony, and Guyton all played, 2 of which intermittently started as redshirt freshmen, and Matt Rios was our starting longsnapper, which is all you can expect from someone being recruited at longsnapper.

I also would question whether the 2007 collapse was fully responsible for the recruiting class, I think a lot of the negativity also included the tree-sitters and the fact we were in the midst of the lawsuit, which had no end in sight at the time. Therefore, Tedford and co. stopped using the new facilities as a selling point for the program.

by chowder on Jan 5, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

Great point on the facilities. That sound probable. Dumpster Muffin was truly an embarrassment. I wouldn’t mention it either if I were Tedford.

by Bmullen77 on Jan 5, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Were we really in the mix for players like Quizz, the Oregon “La” running backs, Prince & Moore, and Luck?

Seems to me that if not, any team from any year can make some sort of case about missing out on recruits by highlighting some studs on other teams and finding some reason for not signing them.

Of course, if each of those players above turned down Cal because of what happened in 2007, that is something to think about.

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by SoCal Oski on Jan 5, 2010 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

I think we took Allan Bridgford, who I like a lot, instead of Luck.

And seriously? Kevin Prince?
If you go by QB Rating Riley is 128.75 to Prince’s 115.46
And Riley is 18-8 in TD-INT while Prince is 8-8

Not to mention Riley can grow a much fuller and attractive beard than Prince.

18 to Cheeseboard

by JrBear on Jan 5, 2010 4:29 PM PST reply actions  

Don’t go by QB rating.

The beard stat is totally legit tho.

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by BearStage on Jan 5, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

First off, the kids from the 07 class would only be redshirt freshmen (most of them) or true sophomores (can’t think of any outside of Jones), not guys who would be expected to be dominating the depth charts. Guys like DeBo and Ladner are definitely too early to judge, and the rest of them may make an impact yet.

Second, Cal isn’t listed on Rodgers’ list of finalists on Scout, nor on Luck’s, nor Rahim Moore’s. Maybe SOME of those players listed had Cal offers, but clearly you are just comparing recruiting classes, not looking at commits or potential commits who Cal lost as a result of the collapse.

I’m not saying the 2007 collapse didn’t play a part in 2009 by hurting our recruiting or that our recruiting class in 07 wasn’t subpar. But it might be that Tedford and Co. didn’t engage the interest of top recruits that year and it would have sucked anyway. It happens. You provide ZERO substantive evidence for your hypothesis. Correlation =/= causation.

by dchu on Jan 5, 2010 5:00 PM PST reply actions  

To clarify, the post never says anything about whether or not those players at other schools were considering Cal. Rather, the post simply points out that some other schools are getting more out of their 2009 class during the 2009 season than Cal is.

Nothing less, nothing more is assumed.

Perhaps if Cal were able to get a little more out of its 2008 class, it would not have been so thoroughly dismantled by Oregon, USC, Oregon State, and Washington.

Think of it this way…basically the biggest star of the 2008 Cal class is Marvin Jones, who was an adequate contributor to the team in 2009 on a team that frankly…sucks at WR. Riley was not erratic because his WRs were wide open all the time. Let’s be honest.

Compare the relative value of Marvin Jones to the Cal Bears to that of:

Cody, Blount, and then James to Oregon
Quizz to Oregon State
Luck, Owusu to Stanford
Kearse to Washington

Ok, fine. Prince wasn’t incredible, but he was hurt so we can exclude him.

Point is, Cal got less during the 2009 season from its stars of the 2008 class than its most ardent foes got from the stars of their respective 2008 recruiting classes.

Hard to deny that.

by Bmullen77 on Jan 5, 2010 5:15 PM PST reply actions  

Typo…meant “other schools are getting more out of their 2008 class during the 2009 season than Cal is.”

by Bmullen77 on Jan 5, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Alright, that’s a fairer point. Again though, a lot of it comes back to how good the QB and OL play is…clearly Oregon and OSU have done much better in both areas, the Furd on the OL and UDub at QB, so those pieces fit better. Cal has struggled along the O-line and at QB for the past two seasons.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 5, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

The utter collapse of 2007 (far worse than 2009) resulted in a pretty shitty recruiting class in Feb 2008. Check the players other teams picked up while the Bears pretty much whiffed on everyone

I think this is the statement that confused people. Are you arguing that the class was bad because of the collapse? I personally have no idea if we were recruiting big names that decommitted or dropped their consideration during the collapse. You claim a number of cause/effect scenarios in your post without adequately explaining them – hence the confusion.

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by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

If Recruiting Has Struggled It Should Nbow Get Much Better Because....

For all the nay sayers who are bemoaning poor recruiting, on field performance, and seem to think that every silver lining has a cloud, imagine if you were working at a company trying to recruit top notch talent and:

There were idiots living in trees right next to your office.
Those same idiots were using the surrounding grounds for human waste disposal.
That said idiots’ “residences” where within a stones throw of your important training facilities where they could be both heard and smelled.
That in order to control said idiots, the company erected fences to “protect them.”

And that every other company recruiting the same top talent had glorious facilities, and used your lack of same as a HUGE hammer.

I dare say your company would not have done very well until such time as the idiots were removed and new office space was under construction.

This is what we now have — an entire recruiting year without idiots in trees, with construction well under way and with a talented coaching staff, AD and University administration combination unlike any that many of us has ever been alive for.

Do I want to go to the Rose Bowl – yes. Am I disappointed with the outcomes of an 8-5 (late collapse) season – absolutely. Am I willing to tell the world that we have the greatest public University in the world with top notch student athletes – HELL YES.

Here’s to a brighter and Golden 2010!

BEAT STANFURD!

by Aubears on Jan 8, 2010 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

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