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carp’s crazy thoughts for MLK Day: Assessing playing time opportunities for the backup QB’s. Part II

Continuing on from Part I, let's look at the backup QB playing time opportunities for the rest of the season + conclusions after the yump.

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Cal 49 – Washington St 17

 

At this time, Cal had two nice road wins, had two losses against apparently great teams, and had a nice win over an eventual 10-loss Maryland team. 

 

1st Q: 28-7

Halftime: 35-17

3rd Q: 42-17

 

Unfortunately, Cal’s early burst was not sustained as they outscored Wazzu 14-10 over the 2nd and 3rd Quarters.  The Bears don’t put this game away until 12:20 or so in the 4th Sweeney enters the game with 5:17 left in the 4th Q (49-17 Cal):

 

 

California at 5:17

WSU

CAL

1st and 10 at CAL 18

Covaughn DeBoskie-Johnson rush for 9 yards to the Cal 27.

17

49

2nd and 1 at CAL 27

Covaughn DeBoskie-Johnson rush for a loss of 5 yards to the Cal 22.

 

 

3rd and 6 at CAL 22

Beau Sweeney pass complete to Michael Calvin for 9 yards to the Cal 31 for a 1ST down.

 

 

1st and 10 at CAL 31

Covaughn DeBoskie-Johnson rush for 26 yards to the WshSt 43 for a 1ST down.

 

 

1st and 10 at WSU 43

CALIFORNIA penalty 10 yard holding accepted.

 

 

1st and 20 at CAL 47

Beau Sweeney pass complete to Will Kapp for 1 yard to the WshSt 36, WASHINGTON ST penalty 16 yard roughing passer accepted for a 1ST down.

 

 

1st and 10 at WSU 36

Covaughn DeBoskie-Johnson rush for 2 yards to the WshSt 34.

 

 

2nd and 8 at WSU 34

Beau Sweeney pass complete to Isi Sofele for 2 yards to the WshSt 32.

 

 

3rd and 6 at WSU 32

Beau Sweeney pass complete to Isi Sofele for 10 yards to the WshSt 22 for a 1ST down.

 

 

1st and 10 at WSU 22

Team rush for a loss of 2 yards to the WshSt 24.

 

 

 

End of 4th Quarter

 

 

 

Discussion:

 

Sweeney was put in at the correct time, but it’s unfortunate nonetheless as this was another game where either he or Mansion could have received meaningful PT.  Wazzu had 385 yards passing, 20 first downs, and had the ball 5 minutes more than Cal.  Riley threw a pick, Tavecchio missed a field goal attempt, and Anger punted 4 times.  In Sweeney’s PT, it was nice that The Management allowed him to throw.

 

 

 

Ore.  St 31 – Cal 14

 

The Injury Game where Best got a concussion with ~5 min to go in the half.

 

1st Q: 7-0

Halftime: 21-7

3rd Q: 24-7

 

Mansion/Sweeney - DNP 

 

Discussion:

 

While the final score suggests this was a blow-out, Cal wasn’t technically out of it until very late when Oregon St when on a 12-play, 81-yard, 7 min drive in the 4th Quarter to put them up 31-7 with 2:08 to play.  Nonetheless, The Management marched out Riley who went 7-8 and took the team to paydirt in 55 seconds against a prevent defense.  Might have this been a good time to see what the #2 could do?  If he had, Riley would have ended this terrible game going just 12-26 for 136 yards, 0 TD, and 1 INT.

 

 

Washington 42 – Cal 10

 

1st Q: 7-3 UDub

Halftime: 21-3

3rd Q: 35-10

 

Mansion/Sweeney - DNP

 

The game was over with 6:20 to go in the 3rd quarter when Riley tried to run for it on 4th and 5 at the Washington 13, which wasted a 65 yard return by Sofele.  That would have provided 1.5 quarters of football for one of the backups.  Instead, we watched Riley go 3-8, while getting sacked and fumbling twice.  He would finish 14-32 for 215 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, and two lost fumbles.  The offense wasted 9 drives (5 punts, 1 missed FG, 1 turnover on downs, and 2 fumbles).

 

 

San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl

 

Utah 37 – Cal 27

 

1st Q: 14-7 Cal

Halftime: 24-14 Utah

3rd Q: 27-21 Utah

 

Mansion/Sweeney – DNP

 

 

Discussion:

 

Tempting to say the game was over after Riley throws a Pick Six with 5:30 to play (37-21 Utah).  Or when he threw another pick just 9 seconds later.  To his credit (and hopefully this is a key building block for next year), he rallies the troops for a TD (even though it took two minutes).  Unfortunately, the 2-point conversion pass was incomplete and that was that with less than 2 min in the game.  This was the correct call by The Management.

 

Final numbers for the backup QB’s:

Brock Mansion

Beau Sweeney

 

 

Summary and Conclusion:

 

  • The backup QB’s could have played 25% of the minutes in Cal’s first two blowout wins vs. Maryland and E-Wash, ~40% of the minutes in Cal’s blowout losses to Oregon, USC, and UDub.
  • If the UCLA games and Washington St games featured better 3rd and 2nd/3rd Quarter efforts, respectively, than the backups could have played in 25% of the minutes combined.  Since they didn’t, Tedford and I agree on not playing the backups in these games.
  • The backup QB’s could have attempted 8 passes or so in Cal’s last possession in the Oregon St game, which would have nearly doubled Sweeney’s season total.
  • Tedford and I agree that the backups should not have played vs. Utah.

In six games, Mansion and/or Sweeney could have received significantly more playing time and passing attempts without impacting the outcome.  In two games Cal could have put their opponent away sooner than they did, which would have resulted in significantly more minutes for the backups without impacting the outcome.  In the Bowl game, had the Bears not scored an early defensive touchdown, Mansion or Sweeney could have seen playing time in the last couple of series without impacting the outcome.  If Cal had taken care of business, that would have bumped it up to 8 games and if Eddie Young did go out like a baller, it could have 9 games or 69% of the total number of games.

 

It is this author’s opinion that in-game reps in the situations described herein would have benefited the program without any negative consequences.  What’s your opinion?  What’s your deal?

 

Fun things to blog about:

 

What if Sweeney entered the USC game earlier and lead three touchdown drives?  How would he have been received by the tempestuous home crowd?  Would this have generated an instant QB controversy?

 

Taking this a step further, does Tedford a) sense that such a controversy would have been possible, b) realizes that this would be a major distraction for his program as it was in 2008, and c) avoid it altogether by not giving the backup an opportunity?

The opinions expressed in a FanPost are, in every way, reflective of the opinions of every California Golden Blogs Marshawnthusiast. Moreover, they are reflective of every employee of SBNation, including Tyler "Blez" Bleszinski.

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"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 18, 2010 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

Rec'd

Yeah, I agree regarding the statistical significance especially when drawing big conclusions. However, I’m not trying to say that if Sweeney goes 22-28 on the season then that necessarily means he’s more accurate than Riley and thus should start the 2010 season. I think the impact is subtle that may only be noticeable by the player and coaches but it is significant.

Your point on the last issue is a good one and I don’t necessarily disagree.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 18, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

well said.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 18, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Cal vs. WSU
1st and 10 at CAL 31
Covaughn DeBoskie-Johnson rush for 26 yards to the WshSt 43 for a 1ST down

 
Somehow, that description just doesn’t do that run justice.

by Ohio Bear on Jan 18, 2010 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

I could live the rest of my life without seeing another Cal player hurdling a defender.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 18, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS

Besides, after Russell White did it in ’90, that move has been played out. So played.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Jan 18, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Russell White's hurdle

Russell White vs. Purdue, Sept. 14, 1991.
No, I didn’t remember the date off the top of my head. I just dug out an old aircheck tape of that game from my KALX days. I had the play by play call of that Russell White play. It was kind of comical. I couldn’t find the word “hurdle” to describe what was going on. I went with an enthusiastic exclamation, “LEAPS…AND GETS TO THE FIVE YARD LINE!” There was an instant of pause before I exclaimed “LEAPS,” like I couldn’t really process what I was seeing. And I guess, in a way, I couldn’t. It really was an incredibly athletic play. And the crowd went berzerk.

To continue my moment of ineptitude: I didn’t even realize that White was penalized for the play. Hurdling was illegal at that time, which I didn’t know (and neither did my broadcast partner). I didn’t hear the referee’s call and only saw his personal foul indication, so I assumed (wrongly) that the foul was away from the White play.

One more thing I didn’t remember until I listened to my old tape: at the time of that play, which happened in the last minute of the half, AD Bob Bockrath was standing right behind me. He started fist pumping when he saw the play. At the time, Bockrath had been on the job all of 11 days and had agreed (graciously, I’ll say) to be our halftime guest. Would I have punched him in the face if I knew then what I know now?!? Hmmmmmmmm…..

by Ohio Bear on Jan 19, 2010 5:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Great story, Hansel.

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by TwistNHook on Jan 19, 2010 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

even though it was called back...

I loved the Mike Tepper hurdle over a SC defender…

That was nice.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...

by Hey Bowles Hall! on Jan 19, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

That just made me angry. Celebrating over an illegal play when nothing else went right for the team

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jan 19, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Shorter list, things that don’t make you angry :)

by turkey on Jan 19, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

If you are trying to avoid looking like you’re running up the score then having a backup pass isn’t going to help you. No matter how early you put him in.

Also it’s best to play for THAT year. And to play for that year (in this case 2009) you want your starter to have the most experience and practice. Riley was and is our starter. He should get most of the snaps even when we’re losing. I’d say during the EWU game Sweeney could’ve come in earlier but that’s it.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jan 18, 2010 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with this. However, if the starting QB had command of the offense and huddle at the Rodgers level, then YES, by all means, put the backup in when the game is firmly out of hand. We don’t have that luxury with KR…

by Cali49a on Jan 18, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree to disagree with the first paragraph and there’s really no sense in going back/forth on it.

starter to have the most experience and practice

True. But when the starter has been getting his ass handed to him for the entire game, the teaching points were abundant and emphasized ad nauseum.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 18, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

My take – I am in favor of subs in blowout wins but not so much in blowout losses. Unless you really think that the sub might actually be better than the starter, it sends the wrong message- “We give up. We can’t win.” I don’t think that was the case. I think it was more like “We suck today, but we don’t give up”, which I think is a better message.

I think in those early season blowout wins, we were still trying to iron out the wrinkles in the passing game, hence more reps for Riley. Question/criticism is then why did we essentially shut down training camp early? I remember reading that and thinking, we are either in for a big season or we are in deep shit. We clearly needed work on both O and D, so wtf?

GOLD OUT MOZAMBIQUE!

by OskiMonsta on Jan 18, 2010 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

"We give up. We can’t win."

I felt like the team exhibited the opposite of this in all blowout losses. I should note that they did, for perhaps the only time all season, play inspired football after they gave up 2 TDs to Stanfurd. Perhaps the backup can be a fresh attitude and raise morale? I do see what you’re saying, however I just think the “never say die attitude” evaporated frequently. The situations that I pointed out in this fanpost were often times when the game was over…and even if you had nits to pick with my analysis there were still several opportunities to put the backup in between the time that I mention and the time that Tedford put them in (if he did).

why did we essentially shut down training camp early

I hadn’t heard of this, but I should disclose that I don’t really read the work of Okanes.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 18, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

So many nits, so many nits!!!

GOLD OUT MOZAMBIQUE!

by OskiMonsta on Jan 19, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Here’s what he wrote FWIW:

This is my third season covering Cal and this is the most content and confident I can remember Jeff Tedford at this juncture of training camp.

Tedford has used the past couple of practices to go heavy on game situations, almost putting his players through a dress rehearsal for the season. And he’s decided to forgo Monday’s final scrimmage for another dress rehearsal in helmets only…
In essence, tomorrow will be the end of training camp, even though the calendar officially says it ends Saturday. The team will have the day off Tuesday.

GOLD OUT MOZAMBIQUE!

by OskiMonsta on Jan 19, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Backups Should Have More Game Time

The backups should be given as many game snaps as possible. It can only help them and the team in the future. It’s valuable in both winning and losing situations, which involve different conditions. On the QB subject, based on results, a change to Sweeney as starter should be made. Riley has had substantial time to settle in and hasn’t done the job consistently enough.

by AndreDLC on Jan 19, 2010 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

Well, Sweeney hasn’t had the opportunity to provide enough in-game results to either say he’s better or worse than Riley. We’ve seen plenty of Riley, but one can’t say that Sweeney would necessarily be better or worse. It’s tough to watch the passing game play and wonder, “Is this really the best everybody can do?” While I presume there are more accurate QBs on the roster, I don’t necessarily think we’d see more victories (more on this coming soon). I do think more PT in the 2009 would have allowed Sweeney to grow and, potentially but certainly not definitely, unseat Riley this offseason/Training Camp. As it stands now, he’ll have a small chance but I don’t think Sweeney will be starting in 2010.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 19, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

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