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How Successful Will Lane Kiffin Be At USC?

Obviously, the big Pac-10 news of the week is Lane Kiffin coming back home to LA to take over a USC program facing the possibility of sanctions and punishment. I feel less sorry for the Vols than most; they knew they were hiring a snake when they got him, so they shouldn't be too surprised that he'd come back to bite them in the ass. Besides, the longer he stayed, the better the chance Tennessee ends up getting embargoed like Cuba by the NCAA, so they're probably better off in the long run. In the short run, Oregon's going to run them over in September, but oh well, them's be the tradeoffs.

Let's turn to what Pac-10 fans care about the most--do you think Lane Kiffin get the Trojans rolling back to the top of college football?

Lane's record is pretty spotty. He's most famous at SC for leaving Reggie Bush on the sideline on 4th and 2 in the National Title game. But Missing Barry believes his coaching abilities based on his record are...inconclusive (although as Beast Mode points out, his ability to maintain a clean shop is pretty conclusive--he can't).

That ignores that one of those jobs was the Raiders, which means the record he compiled there should be dismissed for any number of reasons, including the Raiders sucking (no head coaching is going to succeed in a year there), and it being understandable that he left after one year (remember Davis writing a letter of resignation for him to sign, and him not signing it?) because it’s the Raiders, after all, and they don’t exactly have a history of treating coaches well or a quality organization to support the coach. Technically he coached part of the next season, but that whole situation was weird and pretty much the Raiders acting like the classless franchise they’ve shown themselves to be time and time again.

Next at UT he compiled an alright record – he went to a bowl his first year, so I don’t think you can call the season a failure, by any means. Nick Saban had the same record at Alabama his first season (7-6), and Pete Carroll was 6-6 his first year at USC….

All I’m saying is his coaching record doesn’t tell us anything about whether he’s a good coach or not. Your point about being squeaky clean, on the other hand, is definitely something that should have been considered in the hiring process. Changing jobs as often and in the fashion he did might tell us something, too.


Based on these defects in record and character by the new Trojan HC, can his new staff, including Monte Kiffin and Ed Orgeron compensate for those issues and help keep USC where they are now?

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Monte Kiffin

Addicted to Quack doesn't seem that intimidated by the defensive mastermind at all.

Further, I've even seen many SC commenters excited  that Kiffin's father, Monte, will be bringing with him his Tampa 2 defense, one Conquest Chronicles user commenting that Kiffin is Oregon "worst nightmare" and "they'll be lucky to score 24 points."  Pete Carroll ran cover 2 schemes with regularity while at SC, so it won't be that much of a change, other than Kiffin will likely run it even more than Carroll did.  And while the cover 2 has a reputation for limiting big plays, its biggest weaknesses are misdirection, runs up the middle, and throws to the tight end-exactly the weapons that the Oregon spread is best designed to use.  You could have ran anything with SC's 2008 defense and they would have been successful.  But without that kind of veteran talent, the Tampa 2 is a generally undisciplined defense that a good spread option should rip to shreds.

Well, let's take a look at what Monte's defense did at Tennessee in one year: Strong against the pass (ranked 12th in passing yards per game, 9th in passing yards per attempt, 12th in passer rating defense), but very pedestrian against the run (ranked 77th in rushing yards per attempt, 65th in rushing yards per game). Although they managed strong defensive efforts against Tebow and Florida (losing by 10) and holding the national champs to four field goals at Bama (losing by 2), they also got lit up by Ole Miss and Virginia Tech.

It's safe to say Monte will be operating with excellent talent over the next few years, so don't expect too much of an operational change in strategy by the Bears--Cal's starting quarterback is still going to have to throw the ball with great success to beat USC next year, and the ground game will have to get going.

Ed Orgeron

College football is a recruiting game. You get the best talent, your team is likely to perform better.

Oregeron was already gathering top-notch players for Tennessee over two classes, and you can imagine him having a similar impact in the upcoming years. Now obviously Coach O isn't going to work much of his magic this year, and his impact won't be totally felt for another two or three years. But let's not forget this man's resume; the guy can find the best of the best.

Kenechi Udeze (Defensive End, 2004 First Round Pick)
Jacob Rogers (Offensive Tackle, 2004 Second Round Pick)
Keary Colbert (Wide Receiver, 2004 Second Round Pick)
Mike Williams (Wide Receiver, 2005 First Round Pick)
Mike Patterson (Defensive Tackle, 2005 First Round Pick)
Shaun Cody (Defensive End, 2005 Second Round Pick)
Lofa Tatupu (Linebacker, 2005 Second Round Pick)
Reggie Bush (Running Back, 2006 First Round Pick)
Matt Leinart (Quarterback, 2006 First Round Pick)
Winston Justice (Offensive Tackle, 2006 Second Round Pick)
Deuce Lutui (Offensive Guard, 2006 Second Round Pick)
LenDale White (Running Back, 2006 Second Round Pick)
Frostee Rucker (Defensive End, 2006 Third Round Pick)
Dwayne Jarrett (Wide Receiver, 2007 Second Round Pick)
Steve Smith (Wide Receiver, 2007 Second Round Pick)
Ryan Kalil (Center, 2007 Second Round Pick)
Sedrick Ellis (Defensive Tackle, 2008 First Round Pick)
Keith Rivers (Linebacker, 2008 First Round Pick)
Sam Baker (Offensive Tackle, 2008 First Round Pick)
Lawrence Jackson (Defensive End, 2008 First Round Pick)
Chilo Rachal (Offensive Guard, 2008 Second Round Pick)
Fred Davis (Tight End, 2008 Second Round Pick)
Terrell Thomas (Cornerback, 2008 Second Round Pick)

Conquest Chronicles has already written about the disappointing recruiting class of 2006 not panning out...the first class that Oregeron had no part in formulating, as he was busy getting outwitted and outmatched in Ole Miss. Coincidences are fun.

Sanctions
In the podcast last night, CBKWit seems to believe penalties are coming while Berkelium thinks nothing might happen. MGoBlog wrote a philosophical post about how if Kiffin and USC go unpunished, God does not exist. I lie somewhere in the middle--the Trojans will probably get a slap on the wrist in 2010 (a year without a bowl), then go right back to the task of racking up Pac-10 titles.

Remember the end of Lord of War, where gun-dealer Yurli Orlov told Interpol agent Jack Valentine "I'm an evil, but I'm a necessary evil"? Well, the US government is the NCAA and Nic Cage is USC. The two have done so much dirty laundry together that it's impossible to keep one down without having the other suffer business-wise.  A sanctioned-USC isn't good business to anyone but the other nine Pac-10 schools, and when has the NCAA ever shown an interest in them?

So yeah: Expect minimum punishment.

How much can Lane replicate Petie?

So that leaves us the final question: Can Kiffin be the same sort of rah-rah kind of guy that attracts young players? While Pete did have youthful exuberance, Lane is actually young as can be (he'll be 35 in March, still the youngest coach in college football). He definitely had Tennessee players fired up this offseason, did crazy things, said stupid shit...at the very least, he's plenty exciting to be around. Young high school players probably like that brashness and swagger since they have plenty of it themselves; couple that with Orgeron's recruiting fingerspitzengefuhl and it could provide that same seductive appeal that had the Trojans going full steam at the beginning of the 2000s.

No one can expect Lane to replicate seven straight Pac-10 titles, two national championships, but if he has even half the success that Carroll did, he's going to be around for quite awhile, to the dismay of everyone else in the conference. Or he could crash and burn and end up leaving Heritage Hall in flames. It's hard to find a middle ground with him, isn't it?

No one has any idea what to expect...kind of like when Pete arrived in 2001. And I'm pretty sure no Cal fans want a repeat of that scenario.

Poll
Predict Lane Kiffin's time at USC
He will do equal or better than Pete Carroll.
56 votes
He will achieve some success over a long period--a few BCS berths, but not as dominant as Carroll.
94 votes
He will be successful but only here for a short time--he brings too much trouble
108 votes
He will crash and burn.
101 votes
Other
7 votes

366 votes | Poll has closed

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Crash and burn.

My understanding is that Kiffin (and DACOACHO) was involved in the recruiting of both Reggie Bush and Joe McKnight. To hire him at this point, with the NCAA firing up the guillotine, is the equivalent of a day care center in trouble…hiring Michael Jackson.

I think USC could definitely get more than a smack on the wrist – lest we forget, the Logan Young case at Alabama involved no lack of institutional control finding nor any finding of culpability on the part of any university employee – and they STILL got slammed with a metric ton of scholarship losses and two year bowl ban (plus the oft-repeated allegation that the committee chair claimed they were ‘looking down the barrel of the death penalty’). At this point, if anyone at USC was involved with paying Bush or McKnight, I don’t see how they can avoid a similar penalty – and that caliber of scholarship loss is hard to recover from in less than five or six years.

It all depends on how sensitive the NCAA is to charges that they’re soft-pedaling violations by a flagship program. The old joke growing up was that every time Alabama committed a violation, the NCAA responded by putting Auburn on probation again. But at some point, somebody decided to make an example of Alabama, which is how they caught the package they got in the Young case (and believe me when I say they still haven’t shut up about it).

"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52

by VandyImport on Jan 14, 2010 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

Hue Jackson I believe

He was Cal’s OC during the Mooch year and USC’s OC before Chow.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 14, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

And why didn’t we hire him instead of Holmoe (who btw as I found out yesterday is the AD at BYU)

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jan 14, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Because he was USC’s OC for Paul Hackett?

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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 14, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

No I mean if he was OC during Mooch’s year (96) we should’ve hired him as head coach instead of Holmoe.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jan 14, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

If SC wants someone they usually get them.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 14, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

coughRileyDelRioFishercough

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jan 14, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant they’ll pay well for them…can’t imagine Cal matching an SC offer.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 14, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

coughcouchrileyericksonbelotticoughcough

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Jan 14, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

meh.

sanctions will be wrist slappy if any. kiffykins will be there for three years, then rehired by the Raiders after Al passes away.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Jan 14, 2010 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

Wait

Al’s last season will be in 2012?

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 14, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

rec’d for colorful metaphor

by atomsareenough on Jan 14, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting

I want to believe the worst but Colin Cowherd had an interesting take - he said that people don’t keep getting picked for the pros and top college jobs without showing SOMETHING. On the other hand, other than Al Davis, whose judgment we are all too well aware of, it seems he could have benefited mostly from his connections through his dad and later PC. Tennessee probably hired him because he could offer Monte to run the defense.

by ososdeoro on Jan 14, 2010 4:47 PM PST reply actions  

showing SOMETHING

Maybe he was showing his wife or his dad’s stats.

What about Ron Zook, Bum Phillips, Mariucci, possibly Mangini? Owners and ADs have also shown to be susceptible to crowd mentality and following the hype. He could totally suck, but have enough good recruits and strong enough defense to still get an annual BCS bid.

by cal85 on Jan 15, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh

I so hope you are right Kleph, and thanks for the Rose Bowl post

Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

by Cugel on Jan 14, 2010 4:47 PM PST reply actions  

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