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The 3-4 Defense and Recruiting - A Starter Kit

 

Never having played organized ball, I get confused when talking specifics about the 3-4, especially as it relates to recruiting. Jack linebacker? Nose tackle?  Why are we recruiting players at LB that could play defensive tackle elsewhere? WUT. THE. HAIL. To help educate myself and the masses, I've cobbled a quick introduction to the 3-4 as well as explain the roles of linebackers and defensive linemen in the scheme and why we recruit the way we do. For detailed information on Cal's 3-4, check out danzig's write-up on Cal's 3-4 defense (probably my favorite write-up of all time). 

 

Simply put, the 3-4 formation swaps out a defensive lineman for another middle linebacker. This results in a slightly faster, yet less massive, defensive front seven. The most obvious advantage of the 3-4 is to implement creative blitz packages that keep the passer guessing as to where the fourth (or more) rusher is coming from. Because the passer sees only the three defensive linemen, identifying which linebacker is going to rush can be a challenge. From a recruiting angle, the 3-4 also helps attract players who want to play a particular position but don't project to in a more traditional 4-3 defense. For example, many (if not all) recruiting sites projected Chris Martin to play defensive end at the collegiate level - in our system, he will most likely play outside linebacker. Again, it's not a system that will appeal to every recruit, but it's a consideration that should not be ignored. 

 

Let's talk about the positions within the 3-4 (safeties and cornerbacks are left out from my analysis because they are not too different between the 3-4 and the 4-3). I've also listed the measurables for selected players to compare and contrast weight/height to our "Golden Prospects" as well as NFL players.

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Nose Tackle – The nose tackle mans the middle of the defensive line and occupies two offensive lineman (presumably the center and one guard) on every play. The nose tackle is typically larger than a standard DT in a 4-3, typically by 20-40 lbs, due to the physical demands of the position. Nose tackles won’t rack up much in individual stats, but will allow the defensive playmakers (in a 3-4, the linebackers) to make a play on the ball. Commanding a double-team is crucial - imagine if Hill got brushed aside on any given run play up the middle. Running backs would be able to drive their cars through a lane that wide!  Facing constant double-teams is a tough job, but disrupting the middle is key in both pass and run defense. Dominant nose tackles are hard to find, but I can imagine that NFL scouts will be keeping a close eye on collegiate nose tackles that know how to hold down the middle. Prototypical nose tackle:  Ted Washington, 6-5, 365 lbs. Current nose tackle: Derrick Hill, 6-2, 302 lbs. Not sure about our targets for this year's class, but due to the dearth of 300+ lbs. defensive tackles, this will be a position we will always recruit for if we find the right talent.

 

Defensive Ends – Similar in role as DE’s in a 4-3, but will be slightly bigger in size and with the added responsibility of protecting against the run. They must take on the occasional double-team (see Alualu in 2009), and still try to create a pass rush (although this is tougher in a 3-4 alignment due to being outnumbered by the O-Line.) Similar to the nose tackle, DE’s aren’t going to accumulate as many stats, but help create playmaking opportunities for the rest of the defense.  Many recruits that would have played defensive tackle in a 4-3 defense will play end for Cal. Prototypical 3-4 DE: Aaron Smith, 6-5, 300 lbs. Current DE: Cameron Jordan, 6-4, 287 lbs (Hill is just 15 lbs heavier than Jordan!), . Potential Golden Recruits: JR Ferguson, 6-4, 270 lbs, Gabe King, 6-4, 251 lbs.

 

Linebackers – The 3-4 is designed to allow the linebackers to make the play on the ball. They can blitz, attack the run, or drop back in pass coverage. As we are the only team in the Pac-10 to run the 3-4 as our base defense, most QB’s won’t have much experience dealing with it (aside from what their scout team and NCAA Football 2010 gives them), which provides a small defensive advantage for Cal. Because linebackers have greater responsibilities against the run and fighting blocks, they are bigger than LB’ers in a 4-3. This is most evident in the "Jack" position, which will probably feature players who might be pass rushing DE's in a 4-3. FYI - A “Jack” lineback plays weakside linebacker (aka "rush backer" or the Follett position), “Sam” plays strong outside linebacker, “Will” plays weakside middle linebacker, and “Mike” plays strongside middle linebacker. Prototypical MLB: Patrick Willis, 6-1, 240 lbs. Current MLB: Mike Mohamed, 6-3, 237 lbs. Potential Golden Recruit: Nick Forbes, 6-0, 223 lbs, Cecil Whiteside, 6-3, 220 lbs. Prototypical OLB for the 3-4: Demarcus Ware,  6-4, 262 lbs. Potential golden recruit: Chris Martin, 6-4, 240 lbs, Owa Odighizuwa, 6-3, 234 lbs, David Wilkerson, 6'3", 235 lbs (I'm guessing "Sam" for David). 

 

Cal has been recruiting for the 3-4 position for only a few years now, so it'll be interesting to see if we see the following trends emerge over time:

  • Linebackers, defensive ends, and nose tackles will get heavier.
  • Our recruiting staff will place a PREMIUM on a linebackers ability to shed blocks.
  • More defensive recruits will cite "position" within our system as a reason for committing to Cal.


Hope this helped. Let me know if there are any mistakes or typos.

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The whole linebacker nicknaming in the 3-4 is messed up. Some teams use Jack. Others throw a Ted in there. Some call the WILB the Jack. Others call the WOLB the Jack. It’s all messed up.

Just like most teams call the split end WR the X, and the flanker the Z … Cal is just the opposite.

I’ve learned that a lot of these names differ greatly from team to team.

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by HydroTech on Jan 12, 2010 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

Well that’s just annoying now, isn’t it. Why don’t they try to make it easy for us to learn by just using the same terms! Buncha asshats, if you ask me.

by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

I’ve seen the “Jack” linebacker position called 50 different things (“Elephant”, “Jack”, “the Follett” are the ones that come to mind). My guess is that coaches adopt the exist nomenclature unless they think their position is “unique” to their system.

by totallyawesome on Jan 12, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

interesting I always thought it was:

Wil – WOLB
Mike- WILB
Ted- SILB
Sam – SOLB

not sure why they went with traditional names of dudes, instead of the easy to understand 4 letter acronyms, but whatev.

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by carp on Jan 13, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I would bet the names came from actual players, like calling one of the positions “the Follett”….and eventually just stuck. At least for a couple of them.

by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I know the Fritz linebacker position at Penn State was named after the pizza boy who made deliveries to Paterno and Co.’s scheming sessions.

I think the Will/Mike/Ted/Sam thing has the most to do with it being a pain in the ass to say “S-O-L-B” out loud.

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by AERose on Jan 13, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like Paterno & Co. didn’t have enough tip money one night, thus they ended up naming a position after the pizza boy. Personally I think the pizza boy got jipped!

by chowder on Jan 17, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I always assumed it was based on initials:
"S"am for the "S"trongside backer
"M"ike for the "M"iddle backer
"W"ill for the "W"eakside backer

However, I’m still trying to figure out Who’s on First?

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by California Pete on Jan 13, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

This is how I learned it

We used a 4-3 exclusively, so Sam, Mike, Will were what I grew-up with. Watching it on TV, used the entire WOLB, WILB, SILB, SOLB designations.

by crackpipe on Jan 14, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I just realized that my comment could be read to mean totallyawesome’s naming of the 3-4 linebacker’s thing is wrong – that’s not what I meant. I just mean to say that in general, many teams nickname their linebackers very differently. That’s what’s “messed up” and confusing – not what totallyawesome wrote.

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by HydroTech on Jan 14, 2010 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I clearly took it the way you meant. You weren’t misunderstood, Hydro.

by concordtom on Feb 17, 2010 7:00 AM PST up reply actions  

enjoyed this

I like the analysis tying the system to potential recruiting trends. Never thought about it methodically, but it’s clear I need to bone-up on Cal recruiting, generally. One thing I’m not impressed with so far, is the star system, eg. 4 stars, 5 stars, for recruits. It’s a general help, but there seem to be too many variables and too many players for that system to be consistent/reliable.

by crackpipe on Jan 13, 2010 12:27 AM PST reply actions  

Well, at least rivals and ESPN (I don’t really check scout so I dunno about them) further break it down by number to create more “tiers”. I think some of the problem is just the uncertainty present in projecting what a 17-18 year old kid is going to do and how he’s going to develop throughout college. I mean, if colleges were to go back to all the regular students they accepted and look at them and rate them as seniors in high school, how accurate do you think they’d be in projecting GPA’s’s and who gets the good job and who graduates and who gets into good grad schools and what not…?

by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 7:04 AM PST up reply actions  

good points

I wonder if anyone here is going to break down Cal’s recruits this year. I suppose someone here likes doing that, and it would be great to have that analysis after signing day. Someone here might want to penetrate the ratings or maybe they’ve seen one of them play somewhere in HS.

by crackpipe on Jan 13, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I think tying the formation to recruiting is key because as I understand it, we switched to the 3-4 because of recruiting. (We thought it would be easier to get more LBs than DLs). As I see it, there are 2 key positions for the 3-4 to work:

- NT: you need a big space-filler who just clogs up the middle
- Jack/Rush LB: 3-man rush will not get it done against a good OL. You need a guy who can bring the heat off the edge as the 4th rusher.

The Niners had a lot of success with the 3-4 in the 80/90s with Michael Carter and Dana Stubblefield at NT and Charles Haley and Rickey Jackson at rush LB. Bama had great success this year with it. They have that huge NT, but I don’t know who their rush LB was.

Hill and co. did a pretty good job at NT but we totally failed on rush LB. That is clearly our biggest recruiting need, so let’s hope Martin can develop quickly.

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by OskiMonsta on Jan 13, 2010 6:31 AM PST reply actions  

I recall one major problem with this year’s defense was that our linebackers could not shed blocks. As Charles Barkley would say, “That’s turrible.”

If your playmakers can’t make plays, it totally bogs down an defense. In my opinion (and this is debatable), we should have made greater use of the 4-3 or at least stand up one of the DE’s so that they could help create pressure on the passer. That’s probably a good poll question – if we moved Alualu to Rush Backer and inserted Keith Browner/Aaron Tipoti/whoever at DE, do you think we would have seen more pressure on the QB? Problem is, I don’t know how to create polls.

by totallyawesome on Jan 13, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

We started doing that in the Wazzu game and sparingly throught out the rest of the season: playing 4 true DLs to create more pressure.

by Cali49a on Jan 13, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Alualu was a tackle/end hybrid, he couldn’t get around the edge fast enough to get to the quarterback.

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by AERose on Jan 13, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Odd enough, I was playing Madden yesterday and I subbed a DE as an OLB. I have 2 DEs – a 274 pounder and a 340 pounder. I accidentally subbed in the 340 pounder and he was able to power his way through the RT-TE combo for about 5 sacks.

No way is this related to real life. But in this case, if the guy has the strength off the SS, I don’t see why he can’t at least be used in more run-stuffing situations.

I think the weaklink in our line was really Cameron Jordan. Our NT was usually able to get at least 2 people on him, and Alualu almost always required a double-team to contain. It was really Jordan who was given the position of rushing an isolated blocker. (At least in my recollection)

Its obvious that a huge part of our defense that was lacking was that Pass Rush just not being there.

Gregory’s fine for what h e does, but I wish he would bring blitzes from more areas than just one of the LB spots. I don’t believe I remember many cases where he has brought the defensive backfield in to blitz. I could be completely wrong though.

by Shadwhand on Jan 13, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we tried to avoid the 4-3 because we’re really trying to make the transition complete over to the 3-4, but as Cali noted, we did start using it at times. I don’t think Alualu is the one you want at LB (or not down DE, whatever you want to call it) – he’s simply not fast enough. You have to have someone capable of turning the corner on a tackle, otherwise there’s no point in lining them up that way – they’re better off on the line to make more of an interior/power move.

One interesting note, though, is that I’ve seen the Ravens use Ngata with his hand off the ground before. They’ll put him in a kinda MLB position and let him just get a running start before trying to bull through the OL. It’s kinda funny to watch when it happens.

I also think we had a sub package that kinda accomplished that – Price was the guy we used for that – we only played him to rush the passer, and he was decent, but only used in clear passing situations as a pass rusher….

by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

not sure...

Maybe that’s what it was, not shedding blocks. Certainly saw some of that in the first half of the Stanford game, where Gerhardt was running with only arm tackle reaches toward him. There was also overpursuit and/or bad angles, which I saw also from DB’s in the Oregon State game. On the pass attack, if linebackers stand there, then they will both 1) have to shed a block, and 2) have already missed the opportunity to move to a position to stop the slant. Both are legit problems. Oregon there were many receptions behind them in the shallows. They need to move immediately when they see the QB has kept the ball. But maybe that’s because they didn’t shed blocks too. It seems part of it had to be coaching as well, since practices are where they should be trained ad nauseum to react to the pass quickly, without thought, when they see the QB has kept the ball. They can always collapse if the QB subsequently decides to run, but need to move to defend pass first when he keeps the ball. If that makes sense.

by crackpipe on Jan 14, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s easier to find and recruit an extra linebacker than it is to get an extra solid defensive tackle, since they are so hard to come by nowadays. That, and it’s harder for the OL to block against a 3-4, since there is more deception (both run and pass). The OL has to think more about who they will double team, and they have to stretch more to reach the second level. If your D line can hold blocks allowing the LB’s to run free, you can get more hats on the ball — in theory..

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by Vandalus on Jan 13, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m just speculating a bit……

Prototypical MLB: Patrick Willis, 6-1, 240 lbs. Current MLB: Mike Mohamed, 6-3, 237 lbs. Potential Golden Recruit: Nick Forbes, 6-0, 223 lbs.

Prototypical OLB for the 3-4: Demarcus Ware, 6-4, 262 lbs. Potential golden recruit: Chris Martin, 6-4, 240 lbs, Owa Odighizuwa, 6-3, 234 lbs, Cecil Whiteside, 6-3, 205 lbs.

I see that Nick Forbes is a beast and could easily add 10-20lbs to his frame, making him the prototypical MLB.

Same goes for Chris Martin and Owa. But Cecil Whiteside might be more valuable, and physically built, for the MLB position. Asking him to put on 40lbs might not be the best use of his natural speed and agility.

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by dballisloose on Jan 13, 2010 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

re: Cecil

Who knows how Cecil grow over the next few years, but adding 40 lbs will probably hurt to your speed / agility. I think you may be right that Cecil is better suited for MLB, but we won’t know until he arrives at Cal. I suspect that he’ll play whichever backer position (same w/ Forbes) gets him on the field faster. I bet Martin has a lock on one of the two OLB spots, tho.

by totallyawesome on Jan 13, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

in the army game, cecil was listed as 220!

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by carp on Jan 13, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Cecil looks fairly long limbed, similar to Mohamed. If he’s asked to gain 40 pounds or so, he will definitely be one of the OLBs. That being said, we don’t know exactly how WIlkerson looks yet (unless people have seen him in person) Supposedly, he’s built for the ILB position.

by Shadwhand on Jan 13, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

adding wilkerson and updating Cecil’s weight.

by totallyawesome on Jan 13, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand that by switching out a lineman for a linebacker should give you a bit more speed up front, but since everybody then needs to be heavier, is this really the case? For example, the Sam and Will linebackers are frequently in charge of containment on the edges, and for this a good amount of speed is needed when the play gets stretched to the sides of the field. Naively, one would think that the 3-4 would defend this better since there is more speed (lighter players) overall. But if someone like Chris Martin is to contain the edge, I would assume that’ll he’ll be much heavier (and slower) than a Zack Follet. So what gives?

by I hate $C on Jan 13, 2010 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

That was fairly long and incoherent — essentially I want to know if our defense will overall be a little slower as it relates to the edges than it was previously in the 4-3.

by I hate $C on Jan 13, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Its quicker. More LBs = more speed on the field. I’ll go into more detail below:

I think the major difference is that while Zack Follett has some incredible speed off the edge, Chris Martin is pretty damn athletic as well as having an incredible amount of assumed strength (given his relative size and inherent athleticism)

Our defense overall is quick as well as faster because of the responsibilities for each position. DT and DEs have different gap responsibilities as a result of being in a 3-4. I’m assuming that we generally sit our DEs in either the B gap or the C gap depending on the play. DT is sitting at the A gap. What their responsibilities are is to take control of the O-line. This means they don’t have to be particularly quick. They just have to be able to control that line of scrimmage and ensure that blockers don’t get into the LBers faces. One of the ILBs might come in and also take up a blocker if its a pass play. This guy is usually the larger ILB (probably SS) and is going to have the task of playing in a phone booth.

Compare this to the 4-3, where the DT and NT are playing the B and A gap respectively. The B gap (i believe Mebane might have played this his first and second year to wild success in Seattle) (or 3-technique) DT is generally responsible for pass rushing, the NT in the 1 technique is more of the run stuffer. The 4-3 DEs play off the edge and almost always rush (except in Zone blitz situations such as the ones the Eagles use every so often). In that case, they are playing more like OLBs in the 3-4.

So… all of that conversation aside, Chris Martin has the responsibility of the Strongside OLB. He will give us the strength off the edge we didn’t have last year. Cecil Whitside will probably play either ILB or OLB depending on both his physical and mental development. If he plays ILB, That means we have another formidable guy on the edge (hell, I’ll guess Ryan Davis).

Although speed off the edge kills, strength is just as important. Look at Jarred Price. Speedy as hell, but definnitely not able to defeat blocks at the next level.

Prototypical guys off the edge are probably Jerome Harrison (duh) and Lamar Woodley. If anything, Lamar Woodley is exactly what you would be looking for off the edge. They’re not the fastest guys, but they’re both strong and relatively quick enough.

Basically, if your LBers are quick enough, strong enough, and react fast enough, it will be quicker overall than a 4-3 alignment.

by Shadwhand on Jan 13, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m going to say: it depends. If the 3-4 was inherently quicker and faster, I’m sure everyone would make the switch. It depends more on the performance of the players themselves, and whether they are playing in the right system.

Follett was not blazingly fast (he ran a 4.69 40); Chris Martin is actually faster at 4.65. But regardless, Follett was successful b/c he could defeat blocks using his great agility and quickness.

In the ten or so steps it takes to get to a quarterback, simply having a “faster” guy doesn’t guarantee anything, in any system. I DO believe it will be slightly faster for Cal due to the primary rusher being a OLB vs. a DE, but again, you have to sit down and look at your personnel before you can say that you will be faster off the edges – it’s entirely possible you will be “slower” if your LB’ers can’t get off their blocks.

by totallyawesome on Jan 13, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m going to say: it depends. If the 3-4 was inherently quicker and faster, I’m sure everyone would make the switch.

That assumes all defensive coaches prioritize speed in the same way, which I don’t think they do.

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by AERose on Jan 13, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

But if I recall from a few years back when explaining the move to a 3-4, the coaches said it was to take advantage of the speed and agility of the latest LB recruits?

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by dballisloose on Jan 14, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

True, I was just pointing out that speed is not the end-all of defense as viewed by coaches. Kind of a tangential point, looking back, but whatever.

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by AERose on Jan 14, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes sense… it’s not all about pure speed. It’s more about the ‘speed’ of shedding blocks to threaten the ball carrier or react to the play.

by I hate $C on Jan 13, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the explanation. I absorbed some of it, but not all.

What are these ‘techniques’, and what do they mean? What is 1 technique vs 3 technique? I’ve also heard of 7 and 9 techniques on the edge, but I don’t fully appreciated their meanings. Also, what happened to the even numbers?

When you’re referring to the gaps, this is what I’m thinking:
A = gap between center and guard
B = gap between guard and tackle
C = gap between tackle and TE, if present
But that would make two A, B, and C gaps… is this correct?

by I hate $C on Jan 13, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

1 technique means head up with the center, and outward unto infinity. (2 technique means lined up across from the A-gap, 3 technique means head up with the guard, etc. It actually gets a lot more specific than that, referring to which of the o-lineman’s eyes the d-lineman lines up on, but you get the drift.)

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by AERose on Jan 13, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

1 technique means head up with the center,

0 technique is lining up straight ahead with the center and 1 technique is lining up on either shoulder of the center. Which shoulder the defender lines up on depends on the defensive playcall

basic technique and gap explanation

by Cali49a on Jan 14, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice link — are there anymore similar to this one?

Also, why is there no technique for lining up directly over the guards or tackles, only for the center (0 tech)?
Is it possible to tell what technique the DLs are playing from typical TV angles, or is the endzone angle necessary?

by I hate $C on Jan 14, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

What I linked up is kind of the generally accepted numbering system for defensive techniques but the language/numbers will vary from system to system depending on whose system it is.

As for your question about no techniques for lining heads up over guards/tackles, I was hoping you wouldn’t ask that so I could just be lazy by linking up somebody else’s work that had cool graphics. But since you asked, I’m more than happy to explain.

Most systems will assign defenders an even number if they are straight ahead or an odd number or even number with “i” (i = inside) for shades (lined up on a shoulder).

0 = straight ahead on center
1 = shoulder of center
2i = inside of guard’s shoulder
2 = straight ahead on guard
3 = outside of guard’s shoulder
4i = inside of tackle’s shoulder
4 = straight ahead on tackle
5 = outside of tackle’s shoulder
6i/7 = inside of tight end’s shoulder
6 = straight ahead on tight end
7/9 = outside of tight end’s shoulder

If you look carefully enough on tv, you might be able to tell which technique is being used by the defender the further away from the middle he is. It gets really difficult as you go further in. Skycams and endzone angles are the best though to determine DL techniques.

by Cali49a on Jan 14, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

This is why everyone must watch the webcast version of Sunday Night Football. They have the skycam view you can view permanently throughout the game. It makes the game 100x better for sure.

by Shadwhand on Jan 14, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn’t aware of this, I’ll have to check it out… next year.

by I hate $C on Jan 14, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, its pretty damn awesome. Too bad they don’t archive the games. I don’t know if the NFl.com Game Rewind has this feature:

https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/giftform?icampaign=GR_Gift_Playoffs_09

by Shadwhand on Jan 14, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the explanation. If you feel so inclined, can you elaborate on when might one technique be preferred over another? Not necessarily specific to 3-4 vs 4-3, but when might DL want to play a 2i vs 2 vs 3 technique?

This stuff really is the nitty-gritty of football that, for those of us who’ve never played, is difficult to appreciate. Understanding coverages and passing routes is more natural for people who have experience in games like basketball and soccer, but the running game and blocking schemes of football are just more inaccessible.

by I hate $C on Jan 14, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Depending on where the DL lines up is indicative of what the D is trying to do. Attack, gap control, keep OL off of LBs so they can make plays, etc. For an example, if it’s a known passing play and the playcall is to just kill a QB in 4-3 D, a DT who lines up in a 2 technique will be going straight at the OG, which unless he just bulldozes over the OG, just made his job a lot harder to get to the QB. If he lines up in a 2i or 3 technique, he’ll be hitting the shoulder and attacking the OG from an angle making it easier to push the OG off balance and harder for the OG to block him. If a blitz in a 3-4 base D is called, the NT can line up in a 1 technique and attack the A-Gap on the right side of the line, which would suck the Center away from protecting the A-gap on the left side. At the same time, the DE on the left side of the line could line up in 3 technique, requiring the OG to block him. What happens is that the A-gap on the left side of the line would open up and a LB could blitz in that gap. Blitzes and ways to attack an OL are determined from week to week by the coaches depending on the other teams strengths and weaknesses, as well as the defenses strengths and weaknesses.

by Cali49a on Jan 14, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Trojan Football Analysis does a great job of explaining some of this (in very technical detail:

http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/usc_elephant_defense.html

by Shadwhand on Jan 14, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe the terminology is somewhat flexible. 1 tech, 2 tech, 3 tech, 0 tech are all different areas that a DL will line up in, depending on the alignment, play, etc. Generally, DL in a 4-3 will play a single gap. Technique doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with how the player plays, but where that player actually plays. So 0 Tech usually lines up at the center, 1-tech lines up on the outside shoulder of the center between the guard. 2 tech is over the guard. 3 tech is guard-tackle. 4 tech is over the tackle, 5 tech is outside shoulder of tackle. There are additional techs (up to 9) which different responsibilities.

That is correct. (regarding Gaps)

D Gap – Outside the TE
E Gap – Outside the TE and between the WR

So… There are two gap DTs and One Gap DTs. One Gap DTs are sleeker and are considered pass-rusher specialists/athletic 300 pound freaks of nature (such as Warren Sapp). Mebane was moved to a 1 Gap position after his great 2 years. I believe he’s still learning the position but doing great at it. I have to go back, but I believ Mebane was actally a 2 Gap DT who was being double-teamed and stuffing the run (but also very effectively rushing the passer at the time)

I believe the even numbers (playing over guard and tackle) doesn’t happen as often since more often than not, DTs will have 2 gap responsibilities (meaning they line up and take up two blockers) A DT with 1 gap responsibility must defeat one blocker to get to the QB.

In a 3-4, DEs have multiple gap responsilbiities. I know the Passing Rushing OLB is important, but what is extremely important the ability for our DL to actually take up blocking.

by Shadwhand on Jan 13, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Summary about the differences between 3-4 systems:

The primary difference between the two systems is where the front 3 line up. The Parcells-Belichick system is a two gap system which requires their front 3 to line up directly in front of an offensive lineman and control the gap on both sides of that offensive lineman. Since they have to control 2 gaps, that system is referred to as a "two-gap" system. The Steelers version is primarily a "one-gap" system. The Steelers’ linemen play slightly to the side of their blockers, rather than directly in front of them. They are responsible for controlling only one gap, while the linebacker behind them is responsible for the other gap.

"With the guys we have right now, when you play two-gap you tie them down", said Steelers’ defensive line coach John Mitchell. "Aaron Smith can run. Brett Keisel can run. Casey does a good job running. We have good inside linebackers who can cover ground. We can get away with a line playing one gap".

by Shadwhand on Jan 13, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Casey Hampton does a good job running? I have a hard time believing that…

by Missing Barry on Jan 14, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Looks like a relatively fit huge man.

by Shadwhand on Jan 14, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough, though “huge” is an understatement. Also, this and this

by Missing Barry on Jan 14, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, I kind of get the terminology now. Maybe what I don’t fully get now is the One Gap vs Two Gap responsibilities. A One Gap DL’s responsibility seems straightforward — get between, say the OG and the OT, and don’t let the ball carrier penetrate the B gap. He can easily position himself between the two, or fight to maintain that position, because he has a single focus. How does a 2-Gap DL play? If, say the NT has the responsibility for both that A gaps, then he’d have to be able to through the Center around pretty easily to cover both gaps (consistent with needing a giant at NT as discussed above).

Is this what the 1-Gap vs 2-Gap means?

by I hate $C on Jan 14, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

2 Gap means they h ave 2 gap responsibility. So I believe on any given play, the DL has different gap responsibilities. This is why they play over Tackle, Guard, or Center. They can then angle into the A, B, or C gap.

So on a given play where 3 DL rush, it means that the DL should know their “assignments” or gaps to play in. They then have to take up two blockers (but if one can block them, no pass rush or anything can be generated)

I really do believe this is why we had trouble at times. Its important to have both space eating NTs in the 3-4, as much as its important to have DEs who demand double-blocking. That or OLBs which require the pass-blocking TE, HB, or FB to take up a blocking responsibility.

I really don’t see why Gregory was dropping 8, rushing 3 this year. I believe that the lack of pass rush was really what made our CBs look so ordinary at times.

by Shadwhand on Jan 14, 2010 8:18 AM PST up reply actions  

A whole lot of terminology……I think I’m just going to go back to admiring the ranking of the recruits and trying to figure out the depth chart without thinking about gaps and techniques. In other words, I’m done with this thread.

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by dballisloose on Jan 14, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I really don’t see why Gregory was dropping 8, rushing 3 this year. I believe that the lack of pass rush was really what made our CBs look so ordinary at times.

It’s an interesting topic and I’m composing something about it that I’ll put below later.

by Cali49a on Jan 14, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome. I’m too lazy to do this, but an analysis of the success rate of teams against us dropping 8, 7, or 6 would be fascinating.

by Shadwhand on Jan 14, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re going to be sorely disappointed if you were hoping for that much from me.

by Cali49a on Jan 14, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I was hoping Hydrotech was planning on doing that. I know we had a couple of conversation where he indicated he’d like to look at that.

by Missing Barry on Jan 14, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like you’re going pretty indepth—want to email it to us at goldenblogs at gmail whenever you finish it? It might be worth a fanpost.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 15, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t have statistics for every time we rushed 3 and the success rate. I wish I did, though. There is just not enough time to rewatch and compile that data at this point.

I want to point out that there were a lot of mistakes made by some of our LBs and DBs that led to huge gains and scores throughout the season. Some posters have touched upon elsewhere on the blog and in this fanpost. A playcaller is limited to what he can call based on his personnel and their abilities. And sometimes a playcaller makes the right call but the defense just screws up.

On the topic of rushing 3, I’m not the biggest fan of it but I understand why it gets dialed up. One play I’m looking at right now, the opponent just scored a TD but I already see 2 huge holes in our 8 coverage because players are out of position and not properly executing their assignments.

by Cali49a on Jan 15, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

some thoughts for your analysis

here are some thoughts that i think you might want to address in your post:

1) does the benefit of dropping 8 and covering up available receivers outweigh the additional cost of giving the QB 2 to 3 more seconds to throw?
2) in your view, would we have been more successful rushing more? what was our success rate when we did rush more than 4 on a given play?
3) what areas of our secondary got picked on the most? i don’t recall many passes going Syd’s way…i think they picked on our LB’ers and whoever was opposite Syd.

by totallyawesome on Jan 18, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I would like to answer all your questions accurately, but it’s just not going to happen at this point. I’m only covering 1 game so it’s going to be hard to paint an accurate picture of the whole season.

1) While watching this game, I think I can safely conclude that people only remember the bad stuff that happens when we drop 8. They tend to forget rather easily good stuff that happens.

2) I haven’t written anything down, but the results in this game were hit and miss. Sometimes sending 3,4,5 got pressure. Sometimes it didn’t.

3) The whole secondary took its bumps, even Syd, but not as regularly as others.

by Cali49a on Jan 18, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome, thanks for the link

by Kai on Jan 18, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome post.

Couple of quick points:

As we are the only team in the Pac-10 to run the 3-4 as our base defense, most QB’s won’t have much experience dealing with it

Oregon actually switched up to a 3-4 this year as their primary defense. Now to be honest I was very skeptical of how well they would run it being their first year and not really having recruited (as you point out) towards it much.

Personally, I think more and more college teams will go to the 3-4 to help slow down the spread offenses and also because it is intgrating more and more in the NFL.

Some things I noticed both with Cal and Oregon this year is the importance of the NT being able to clog the middle and give room for the LBs to roam. The Jacks flexibility to be able to do all three things (blitz, run tackle/shed blockers and pass coverage) and also (what I want to hear from you guys) the safety play.

I see having a great safety as just as important to the success of the 3-4. With less overall size on the field the safeties ability to come up and help in run support but also be able to read and react to play action seems paramount. Also, the 3-4 needs to be able to switch to a 3-3-5 in passing situations unless you are able to get pressure on the QB.

How do you guys think your safety play contributed to the success of the 3-4 this year?

How long do you think it takes a team and program to successfully transition from a 4-3 base to a 3-4 and have the right recruits and the players knowledgeable about how to effectively run it?

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by Matt Daddy on Jan 21, 2010 4:23 PM PST reply actions  

Safety play is critical in any D. IMHO, we had 1 safety who was pretty solid in pass D but average in run support. The other safety was very good in run support but poor in coverage due to aggressiveness. The other safety missed a lot of practice time because of a conflicting class needed to graduate, but he was very good at play recognition. I think our safety play was below average to average this year. But to be fair to them. a number of times the safeties went out of position because they were trying to cover for CB mistakes.

The transition from the 4-3 to 3-4 will be dependent on your personnel and recruiting. If you have the right personnel for it, you will be fine like Cal in 2008. If not, you will struggle like Cal in 2009. For instance, a lot of people on this blog think “lack of talent” is a just an excuse for our defensive woes this year and like to blame our DC, but the truth is, we brought in 3 JC LBs to help replace Follett, Felder, and Williams from last year, and we got almost no production from those guys. If you guys are switching over and don’t have the size up front, don’t be surprised if your D takes a drip for a 1-3 years. It takes time to make the switch and for the players to get it down through reps.

by Cali49a on Jan 21, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

safety play

that’s a good question, something i don’t have an answer for right away. to echo Cali’s statement below, safeties need to be good in either system, but from a recruiting perspective, not sure that the demands of the position require “different” personnel for the 3/4 or the 4/3. But again, it’s something I need to look into.

Also, thanks for pointing out that Oregon went to the 3-4. I don’t know why this wasn’t more widely reported (outside of Duck sites.)

by totallyawesome on Jan 25, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

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