Lane Kiffin the new coach at USC
His dad Monte Kiffin will be joining him as the new defensive coordinator; Ed Orgeron will be coming along; Norm Chow is supposedly working on leaving UCLA to be USC's new OC.
Update: New reports indicate Chow will not be seeking the USC OC job.
On the one hand, Lane is kind of a loudmouth and his coaching pedigree is rather spotty...on the other hand, the dude can recruit (and Orgeron can DEFINITELY recruit), and that's all you really need to do to be successful at SC. Plus his dad is a top defensive mind and we all know Cal's problem against the Trojans has been their offense.
Whether he can keep the Trojans at Carroll's level remains to be seen, but it looks like USC made a pretty good hire.
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It will be so much easier hating $C now, I always respected Carroll, but Kiffy?
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
No kidding. I somewhat admired Pete, but hate Kiffin. We just HAVE TO destroy USC from now on! To all those Tedford detractors out there, can you imagine going thru this coaching-change turmoil? It’s nice to know we have a good man at UCB who CAN carry us where we want to go.
Why so much hatred for Kiffin?
I mean, getting canned by Al Davis is practically a badge of honor. I mean, he called out Urban Meyer, but whatever, that’s just SEC crap, who no one over here cares about that.
I don’t get it?
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He’s a spoiled kid who creates lots of controversy, but he’s so well-connected that he succeeds in spite of himself. He has Harbaughitis and creates controversy for the sake of it. And he’s not even a good coach on his own
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To be fair, we don’t know if he is a good coach yet. He had an average season at Tennessee, but Tennessee was also in rebuilding mode. I also don’t think we can draw any conclusions from his time at Oakland, seeing as it was the Raiders.
Speaking or Harbawitdabaw, I really wished had been given the USC job. It’d be even MORE fuel to hate them – my hatting is good, but extra logs never hurt! (My hatred for Stanfurd, however, is fueled by ultra-efficient, powerful matter-anti-matter reactions, a source of power so great it will never be extinguished. But then again, he’s SO fun to hate at Stanfurd! I guess I just hope he stays in the Pac-10 a while because he’s so fun to hate.
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Yeah, this was my immediate reaction as well – they picked one of the few coaches that Neuheisel can beat!
by Tedfordisgod on Jan 12, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
also, if sanctions weren’t already coming soon, i can’t think of another coach that could bring them on sooner.
by need4jahvid on Jan 12, 2010 5:57 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
didn’t see this coming…really…wow.
Great hire considering he’ll likely bring his fantastic assistant coaches with him.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Yeah, but Monte Kiffin is like 70 years old, so its not like he is a long term solution at defensive coordinator.
by Tedfordisgod on Jan 12, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Patterno and Bowden made it 80+…Marv Levy was older than Santa, too. And John McCain.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Falling asleep in the Senate is a lot easier than being a football head coach.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
True, but I think it probably is easier to be a super old head coach, than a super old coordinator (where you have to really be deep in the Xs and Os).
by Tedfordisgod on Jan 12, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
it should not go unsaid that Layla Kiffin will be returning to the Golden State.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
by carp on Jan 12, 2010 5:59 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I look forward to the days when modern medicine can get you back your sight again.
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by TwistNHook on Jan 13, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
She looks like she’s 23.
The compensation provided under [Jeff Tedford's] contract is funded exclusively from athletic department revenues and private fundraising and no State or general campus funds are used in this arrangement.
by dballisloose on Jan 13, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Until you creeps brought her up, I had no idea who she was. Upon seeing the first picture posted here, I assumed you guys must be talking about his daughter…
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Well, in fairness, I didn’t know his age. I could plausibly see him just looking young for a 40ish year old, and in the initial picture I saw, she looked like she could have been 20.
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
She is a million times less mannish than Coulter
by atomsareenough on Jan 13, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
http://deadspin.com/5360097/layla-kiffin-shows-support
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Every person complaining that this woman is insufficiently attractive for them amuses me greatly.
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You can find her good looking, but she is definitely not my type. She gets way too much sun, needs to eat something, and that vapid look out of her eyes… no thanks.
I can’t find her good looking. I’m married.
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Maybe you’re just the weirdo that is attracted to ditzy looking blonds like her while the rest of us are the normal ones.
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it’s basically a guy running from his own sanctions to a program facing their own. another one and done for kiffy?
Doubtful, Kiffin will probably sit through the sanctions and build for the future…I guess he really was using Tennessee as a stepping stone.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn’t Kiffin the recruiting coordinator at U$C when the violations leading to the looming sanctions took place? So isn’t he just coming back to face the sanctions for his own violations?
The compensation provided under [Jeff Tedford's] contract is funded exclusively from athletic department revenues and private fundraising and no State or general campus funds are used in this arrangement.
by dballisloose on Jan 13, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Barkley=Crompton? Man, that’d be great.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
Hahahahahahahahahaha
LOL USC
Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"
by 49er16 on Jan 12, 2010 6:01 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
he probably left
because Urban Meyer’s leave of absence means no one to spar with. Get ready for the Kiffin-Harbaugh saga.
Don’t be surprised if you start hearing Harbaugh to Tennessee rumors.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
and Bob Gregory —> Stanfurd?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
…no?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
good point
kiffin and his dad are beginning to resemble a family circus troupe.
This is exactly what I’m thinking. Kiffin-Harbaugh will be great!
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Wow...
Just wow… so I hopped onto BruinsNation and their whole blog is even more wow. They just have article after article. I mean at first it’s great they cover their rival so well, but then after a bit it’s just major QQage. Sad.
Hey, that's nothing compared to what WE'RE going to do when Harbaugh leaves
24 hour video stream of the apathy/mourning on the Cardinal campus!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, every story on BN right now is about USC. Its not really like sanctions against USC are going to make Neuheisel a good coach.
by Tedfordisgod on Jan 12, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
Favorite comment over there: “SUC should get the death penalty for this hire.”
Um…didn’t you hire Rick Neuheisel? Or was I imagining that?
by Tedfordisgod on Jan 12, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
With NewWeasel and Wiffin both in town recruiting, I would think that all used car salesman and circus ring leaders are fleeing town.
Checkered History
Raiders – 1 yr (Can’t get along w/ the owner. Well, not many can when it’s Al Davis)
Tenn – 1 yr (Numerous minor NCAA infractions, finally leading to an investigation on the use of “hostess”)
$C – ? yr(s)
Choosing someone from Carroll’s family tree prob stabilizes the recruits. He’s def gonna need Orgeron & Monte.
Tosh – call Brandon Willis
To be fair, getting fired by Al Davis is good for a coach’s resume. And the hostess thing at UT seems to have been an ongoing issue for years, so I doubt he was directly involved with it at all.
by Tedfordisgod on Jan 12, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
BNs obsessed by their rival...always have been
not the sign that their athletic program’s in good shape
I just hope I get to hear Tedford refer to Lane as “Young man”
It's dat Woo Woooooo.
by Thoroughbred on Jan 12, 2010 6:11 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I love it when the SEC...
…is used as a stepping stone for someone’s career!
by oski4u on Jan 12, 2010 6:17 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Also
Wasn’t he an assistant offensive coordinator at USC?
by Jeremy Belvins on Jan 12, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
He probably drafted that part of his Wiki entry himself.
Cheeky bastard…
by Jeremy Belvins on Jan 12, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
I think he was co-offensive coordinator with Sark
by Tedfordisgod on Jan 12, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I get pleasure from pathos, but this Rocky Top Talk comment made me laugh
Fulmerizer is working overtime tonight. I better stop typing before Im never welcome here again. Im off to burn my "ITS TIME" shirt.
ITS TIME to stab me in the back. ITS TIME to show your true colors. ITS TIME to destroy my program. ITS TIME to burn.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 6:36 PM PST reply actions
this could be the title of an Onion article
Seahawks coach Carroll ‘so fired up’
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HELLO KIFFY
If he does for U$C what he did for Tennessee and the Raiders, we should beat the rush and start loading up on Rose Bowl tickets. All he has accomplished as a head coach is to compile a mediocre record, run his mouth to excess, and jump ship at the first opportunity leaving a program in shambles. Anybody who clocks SEVEN reported NCAA violations in less than a calendar year is the kind of guy who could get the Trojans SMU’d with a minimum of effort.
As a Vandy man and a Cal supporter, I feel compelled to break out the champagne tonight…and the popcorn every day he coaches thereafter. =)
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
Norm Chow could be leaving UCLA for USC's OC gig
Shelley Smith reports they’re working on a deal right now.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 6:56 PM PST reply actions
I believe Cal fans are more like fUCLA.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
the good ol’ boys without the head good ol’ boy
It's dat Woo Woooooo.
by Thoroughbred on Jan 12, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Now that...
…could save his ass. Norm Chow runs the O, Daddy handles the D, and Lane just sits around and runs his mouth…he might get by for a while with that.
Nah, probably not.
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
BN says not so fast
http://www.bruinsnation.com/2010/1/12/1248663/espns-trojan-shill-shelly-smith
As with all things coaching related, best to wait for a press release. Certainly doesn’t make a ton of sense of Chow to go to USC.
The report never made any sense to begin with considering it would have meant Kiffin giving up his offense to a guy he couldn’t get along with to begin with.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Now I’m going to go watch Withnail and I with a bag of popcorn with salt and butter.
(God I gotta read my writing before I post.)
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Actually, it makes a lot of sense. Dollars and cents (pardon the bad pun) for Chow to go to USC. They can easily pay him a lot more than UCLA can.
After almost three decades of being an offensive coordinator I’m not convinced that Chow’s mercenary enough to go to USC and call plays for Kiffin’s offense.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
What a WEIRD year in college football
1) The Pac-10 fucked up season
2) All pre-season Hiesman candidates get injured
3) Weird news headlines such as Blount punch to Tenn hostesses
4) Troy falls
5) Carroll leaves to NFL
6) Clusterfuck in coaching hires
In other words, Go Bears!
Sounds like every year in college football
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yea but this year it’s just fucking hilarious.
As long as Tedford, Gould and Barbour stay.
In other words, Go Bears!
Yeah, the Pac 10 has been pretty stable for a while, time for a shakeup.
Quantity AND quantity!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 12, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Damn, riots in Knoxville?
From WBIR: Hundreds of students have now gathered on Johnny Majors Boulevard and are blocking the road, apparently with the goal of keeping departing Coach Lane Kiffin from leaving the lot. There are signs that order is breaking down–someone has apparently brought a mattress down and lit it on fire.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 8:09 PM PST reply actions
What, a protest?
Sounds like a job for Dumpster Muffin! I’m sure Vol Nation remembers her fondly.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Jan 12, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, Reynaldo Woolridge is claiming there are riots in Knoxville.
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Shelley Smith now backtracking on Chow-to-USC
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 8:22 PM PST reply actions
Flagged for linking to BN. Don’t you dare drag me over there! Couldn’t you quote CC?
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Hey now, we’re all big boys.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 13, 2010 2:00 AM PST up reply actions
I get a feeling Coach O will lure them all to USC.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Supposedly...
…The Orgeron was on the phone to Tennessee’s spring-enrollees DURING the Kiffy statement, telling them not to go to class tomorrow (first day of the quarter) because then they would still be eligible to take scholarships at USC.
(See second video clip here. I didn’t think I was physically capable of pity for Vols, but damn – that’s AIG-caliber morality at work.)
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
by VandyImport on Jan 12, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Poaching recruits after Katrina is low. Poaching Tulane recruits though?! That’s just desperate.
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
It would be great if we can sway Markeith Ambles. He played well at San Antonio. No indication tho as to whether Ambles ever considered Cal besides a scholarship offer.
He was interested early on and came for a summer camp @ Cal but actually didn’t perform well. Not sure of anything beyond that
It's dat Woo Woooooo.
by Thoroughbred on Jan 12, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
That’s too bad. I hope the coaching staff and Ambles will reconsider. Kid’s got beautiful body control to adjust to bad throws.
Oh, I doubt the coaching staff soured much on him. He just didn’t have that great a camp. Happens
It's dat Woo Woooooo.
by Thoroughbred on Jan 12, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmmm
I thought they didn’t protest down south. You know, that was just for us communists out here on the Left Coast.
Whose Axe?
OUR AXE!
The only protest worthy causes, like college football. Just think what’d happen if you tried to take their guns away.
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
They also tend to congregate in large groups and where pointy white hats and bedsheets.
The compensation provided under [Jeff Tedford's] contract is funded exclusively from athletic department revenues and private fundraising and no State or general campus funds are used in this arrangement.
by dballisloose on Jan 13, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Whoa whoa, that’s all in the past now…..
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I think this is a TERRIBLE hire for USC. Think about it. Where has Kiffin actually DONE something while in charge. They’ll lose four games a year and the Trojans will go nuts. Bringing the old gang back doesn’t usually work, and watch as Kiffin continues to play fast and loose with the rules, as the NCAA closes in.
by BlackandOldGold on Jan 12, 2010 8:43 PM PST reply actions
Kiffin itself isn’t a great hire. If they landed Chow-Monte-Orgeron, it’s a GREAT hire. Remember Tennessee played Florida and Alabama very close, nearly beat Bama in Bama…getting all those guys assembled could be huge upside. Even if Chow and Monte’s best days were five-ten years ago, at 80-85% they’re still really freaking good.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t believe that Chow’s coming to USC. If he does, Kiffin’s going to have to let Chow run his offense, which is the reason why he and Kiffin/Carroll couldn’t get along to begin with.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Yes, and assembling a great staff has worked swimmingly for “CRN”. I’m sorry, but Kiffin is 12-17 as a head coach and has proven absolutely nothing thus far. To me, this reeks of desperation. Way to land your sixth or seventh choice SC.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
I don’t see how his head coaching record is very relevant. He had one year with the Raiders, a terrible franchise severely lacking in talent, and one year at a college program. Establishing your system and bringing your players in takes time, I just don’t think two separate one year stints are meaningful one way or another.
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see how his head coaching record is very relevant.
Relevant wasn’t the word you were looking for. I believe you meant to say “conclusive,” as in, “I don’t see how Kiffin’s head coaching record is conclusive in showing that he’s a shit head coach.” Kiffin’s head coaching resume is relevant in that it’s absurd that USC hired a head coach with a losing record over other, better candidates who may or may not have been considered.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Irrelevant was the word I was looking for, as in Kiffin’s head coaching record should not be relevant to making a decision on whom to hire, because it tells us nothing.
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 7:09 AM PST up reply actions
Right, and USC shouldn’t be considering coaches whose head coaching records tell them nothing.
Kiffin hasn’t been proven to be a shit coach, but he hasn’t been proven to be a good coach either, which you think would be pretty important at USC.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
And that’s fine. I wasn’t trying to comment on Kiffin’s credentials (or lack thereof). Just pointing out that his record really doesn’t mean anything.
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
First if all, three head coaching gigs in three years screams character concerns. Second, many good coaches have success in year one despite having to install a new system and perhaps enter a program with problems.
An even bigger concern is that USC may be in serious trouble with the NCAA and they just hired a guy that got in hot water fairly fast at Tennessee.
So, I repeat, they got a guy without success as a head coach and that isn’t at all squeaky clean. Sounds ideal.
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by BeastMode on Jan 13, 2010 5:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That ignores that one of those jobs was the Raiders, which means the record he compiled there should be dismissed for any number of reasons, including the Raiders sucking (no head coaching is going to succeed in a year there), and it being understandable that he left after one year (remember Davis writing a letter of resignation for him to sign, and him not signing it?) because it’s the Raiders, after all, and they don’t exactly have a history of treating coaches well or a quality organization to support the coach. Technically he coached part of the next season, but that whole situation was weird and pretty much the Raiders acting like the classless franchise they’ve shown themselves to be time and time again.
Next at UT he compiled an alright record – he went to a bowl his first year, so I don’t think you can call the season a failure, by any means. Nick Saban had the same record at Alabama his first season (7-6), and Pete Carroll was 6-6 his first year at USC….
All I’m saying is his coaching record doesn’t tell us anything about whether he’s a good coach or not. Your point about being squeaky clean, on the other hand, is definitely something that should have been considered in the hiring process. Changing jobs as often and in the fashion he did might tell us something, too.
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
DE Ben Martin said he and other players walked out of the meeting before Kiffin was finished.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 12, 2010 8:45 PM PST reply actions
Let me point out that Tedford would never let his players feel like they were betrayed. That is why Tedford is our man.
by solarise on Jan 12, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Tedford's a man of character
Lane Kiffin’s demonstrated that he’s anything but. I think this reflects pretty poorly on USC.
Don't want to be a downer but
Never say never. It’s a crazy world we live in these days.
It’s scummy, that’s really the only way to describe it. Even if SC is the only job he’d leave Tennessee for, you don’t leave a program like that after a year. It’s completely and utterly classless.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Well, I agree it’s scummy, but under your hypothetical “if SC is the only job he’d leave for”…that’s kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity. If that’s really how he felt, I couldn’t really say I blame him.
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
you don’t leave a program like that after a year.
Happened to us.
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We are not Tennessee.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
by BeastMode on Jan 13, 2010 5:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Steve Mariucci – coached the ’96 season, the bolted for the Niners.
So, you’re right, we’re not Tennessee – Tennessee is us.
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Run to the hills...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zKkcfq3gec
Run for your liiiives~…
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does anyone else find this video clip and series of events a great topic for a thesis on the juxtaposition of athletics and academics in schools like UT and Cal? Because i don’t.
Remember, the enemy's end zone is DOWN!
I just watched the clip and thought “man that looks fun.”
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
And meanwhile some nerd who could partake is choosing instead to go and upload video to youtube….
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
OMG RUN AND PUT THAT UP ON YOUTUBE RIGHT NOW.
Losers.
(Directed at cameraman/youtube uploader)
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Hey I have more thanks to DeadSpin!
Their “bonfire” – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcDuXgX-8E
BigVOLdaddy being an upstanding citizen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYAsxnRaTAg
Pics and other coverage (poor rock – most likely NSFW): http://deadspin.com/5446833/ut-fans-now-attacking-defenseless-rock-burning-mattress-update
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by Swamphunter on Jan 12, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
I am on the fence with this hire
I think it was a good hire because he has roots to SC, Pete Carroll and will help with continuity. He is bringing in a good staff (with or without Chow) with Ed Orgeron but I am still not sold on Monte.
Right now, no one really knows how good of a coach Kiffin is. He failed in Oakland but that isn’t unusual. He had a decent year at UT in a rebuilding year but he seemed to talk a bigger game and never backed it up on the field. His signature game was a close loss to Bama but he also got destroyed against VaTech and UCLA beat him in Knoxville.
Plus I think Kiffin, despite having HC experience is going to experience some growing pains and will be under a microscope at SC. I also think the connection to Pete Carroll kind of hurts him. People are going to expect Kiffin to come in and keep things status quo, thus if he stumbles early people might not be as forgiving.
Yes he wasn’t the first choice at SC but neither was Pete Carroll. I believe a lot of SC fans and CFB people kind of scratched their heads and laughed at SC when they hired Pete.
Truth is only time will tell whether this was a good decision or not.
Good points. I think it’s funny how people keep bringing up how close he was against Bama and Florida this past year.
NO ONE talks about the losers, everyone talks about the winner. No one talks about how close Tedford got to beating the 2004 USC (national championship) team. Everyone has upsets, but even if it’s inches, a mistake, a missed tackle, missed field goal, bad ref call, whatever it is, the difference between in an upset that actually results in a win and one that ends is a loss is monumental. Winning is everything.
So I don’t get why Kiffen gets praised for those two games. He lost em both. Losing isn’t hard. Winning if damn hard.
My point: I like our chances. SC’s replacing a proven winning coach with a relative unknown. I’ll take that any day. Go Bears.
Everyone has upsets, but even if it’s inches, a mistake, a missed tackle, missed field goal, bad ref call, ALAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR whatever it is,
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
No one talks about how close Tedford got to beating the 2004 USC (national championship) team.
I feel like I’ve been bringing this up a lot recently. :\
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Me too. Bring the gang back together always sounds better than the results. Remember John Robinson’s second stint?
by BlackandOldGold on Jan 12, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Or Joe Gibbs...
…excuse me while I go be ill…
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by VandyImport on Jan 12, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Aftershocks @ Knoxville
The outgoing Vols coaching staff tried to get him [Brandon Willis] to follow them to Los Angeles.
"They had the nerve to call me and ask me to come to Southern Cal," Willis said. "And coach Ed Orgeron (who will follow Kiffin back to Los Angeles) said that he was going to be my coach at Tennessee."
“I am not going to Tennessee, I am not going to South Carolina, I am not going to Clemson,” Willis said. “I am not sure what I am going to do now. I am going to sit down with my dad and talk about it.”
The first thing I [Ahmad Dixon] did was call (fellow Vols commit) Markeith Ambles and he didn’t even know about it. I was shocked, I guess.
B-Willy… Come to STABILITY =D
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 12, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
This is a really important point for Cal
USC will never have problems recruiting talent. It’s USC.
However, for at least the next few years, Cal has a big potential advantage in recruiting. For kids (and their parents) who want a sense of stability and trustworthy commitment from the coaching staff, Tedford and Company now appear to offer that perhaps more than any other program in the Pac-10.
For several years, the stability question worked against Cal, because of the perennial rumors that Tedford would leave for the NFL or some other high-profile program. At best, recruits could me no more certain that Tedford would stick around for their entire career than they were of Carroll at USC. That’s obviously no longer the case.
Combined with the new facilities under construction, this might be the dawn of a recruiting golden age at Berkeley. At least we can all hope.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Jan 13, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Brandon Willis to UNC.. mehhh
Brandon Willis, a defensive lineman from James F. Byrnes High School in Duncan, S.C., was on his way Tuesday to enroll at Tennessee when he heard that Kiffin had been hired at $C, said his father, Gary Willis. He said Orgeron called him after Kiffin’s hiring was announced and said that $C was “a dream job” for him and the Kiffins. Willis said Orgeron told him that his son was being offered a scholarship to $C
“You can’t just follow guys like that,” Gary Willis said in a telephone interview. “That’s not what I’m teaching my son.”
“To sit down and tell people stuff and then turn around and do what you do, I don’t like the way it was done, but I can’t control it,” Willis said.
Whatchoo talkin’ about, Willis? I don’t see any mention of UNC there.
by atomsareenough on Jan 13, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
ESPNU 150 Brandon Willis switches from Vols to Tar Heels
Brandon Willis, an ESPNU 150 defensive lineman from Byrnes (Duncan, S.C.), has decommitted from Tennessee and picked North Carolina after learning head coach Lane Kiffin had left the Vols for $C.
Willis has now chosen and dropped Tennessee twice. He recently decommitted from Tennessee and was considering both the Heels and fUCLA. The prospect then recommitted to Tennessee during the third quarter of the Army All-American Game.
Man, that was fast. Mostly I just wanted to use the gimmicky catch phrase though.
by atomsareenough on Jan 13, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure if I missed it, but did Carroll have a press conference to announce his departure? Or was his interview with ESPN the only thing he did ‘officially’ regarding his resignation?
If he didn’t, which I’m just going to assume, at least Kiffin had a press conference to announce his decision.
What’s that say about Carroll?
I think it's a good move by the Trojans.
You’ve got someone who’s already familiar with the program and someone dynamic who’ll connect with the players. His presence hearkens back to better days – the man knows about winning Pac-10 titles and national championships, and if they actually get Norm Chow back on board, it’ll get the players and the alums fired up. I think it could help them retain recruits because again, Kiffin’s been there before – he’s got experience coaching champions, and the recruits will connect with that. Plus, having Monte Kiffin as defensive coordinator will be huge, of course. Monte probably did the best he could with the kids at UT, but he’ll be able to open up the whoooole playbook with the athletes he’ll have at USC.
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I can’t really refute this argument. However, I think it’s equally reasonable to view this as a desperate, rushed, panic hire of an unproven young coach. At this point, spectacular success and spectacular fail seem equally likely. I would never bet against the Trojans, but it sure will be interesting to watch.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Jan 13, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Surprised no one's mentioned Mariucci yet...
I mean, remember all those riots we had when Mariucci left??? It was madness!!!
Ok, ok, I guess it was more like this:
I was thinking a lot about Mariucci when I was reading all these Lane Kiffin articles. So many parallels…
- First time head coach of a college program.
- Coach with a lot of potential
- Came to head a rebuilding program (well… building a program in our case)
- Both started team slogans that are utterly meaningless now (“It’s Time” and “The 4th Quarter’s Ours”)
And of course – both bolted for greener pastures after only 1 year. What really struck me was a statement that Kiffin made at his first UT press conference:
“I moved around 17 times growing up. I’m going to be here a long, long time.”
That’s basically the same thing that Mariucci said. That’s what really hurt when he left – don’t go out of your way to tell me you’re going to be be here for a long time, and then bolt. Why say it at all? Just be like every other coach – say you’re excited to be here, looking forward to the opportunity, bring success to the program, blah blah blah. Say all the things you’re supposed to say – but why foster irrational love in our hearts by explicitly stating that you’re gonna be here for a long time? It just… seems cruel. I’m not saying coaches can’t leave – hey, sometimes opportunities come up and you gotta make the big decision. (We’ll ignore the rumors suggesting that Mariucci took the Cal job only when the Niners couldn’t force out Seifert fast enough.) But just stick to the script. Don’t get our hopes up with cheap promises – earn our love.
What can we learn from these two flim-flammers? Well, maybe it’s that big, showy promises smack of disingenousness – and that the coaches are trying too hard to win us over because they don’t really want to be there in the first place. Mariucci… well, you remember Seifert’s unceremonious exit – Cal may have just been a placeholder job, or at the least a consolation gig. With Lane Kiffin, some say that he had no respect for UT traditions, and that that his “new” traditions were just old USC traditions he foisted on the UT players. Clearly not not the way to prove that you loooove a place – moves like that show you where your heart really lies.
I understand how the Rocky Toppers feel – as a freshman during Mariucci’s one season, I took his words to heart. And it sucks when the one you trusted – and believed in – betrays you.
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According to wikipedia:
When asked by his [Raiders] players about rumors that Kiffin was interested in open coaching positions in college football, he told them he never thought the rumors were important enough to address because he was never planning to leave.
I will say I see why college coaches will say they’re gonna be around – it’s all about recruiting. If they don’t know what the future holds for them (how would Kiffin know USC was going to open up a year after UT, for instance?), they obviously have to plan like they’ll be around for a while, so they tell the parents and players they’re recruiting they’re going to stay for a long time. Now, I don’t agree with it – I think a lot of these guys are like scummy car salesmen that’ll lie to your face because it’s in their interest even when it’s directly against yours, but it stands to reason that there is a purpose to saying they’ll be there a long time.
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
Tedford didn’t say that right out of the gate – he didn’t feel the need to oversell. He just went about his business! You can plan to be around awhile, but that doesn’t mean you have to say it. Don’t make promises in a business of maybes.
…and I guess the fact that Tedford didn’t do that says everything right there. Just a classy guy, like we already know he is. Too bad they’re aren’t more like him.
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I need to use the word flim flam more often
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Glad to see I wasn’t the only one thinking of ol’ Mooch when this all went down. (Of course, his name being brought up in the discussion didn’t hurt about bringing it to mind.)
There’s another, now almost completely forgotten slogan from that 1996 season. It’s on the t-shirt you got when you bought student tickets. (Speaking of which, I’m going to have to dig that shirt out of the back of the closet and photograph it — the blast from the past would be fun.)
Anyway, the slogan in question was “It’s all of us versus all of them.”
Yeah, that worked out.
-kat
Member of the Lost Tribe of Mooch
Did Kiffen leave the Raiders or was he forced out by Methusela over there? I forget and am just trying to be clear.
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After his first season, Al Davis’ way of firing him was to send him a written letter of resignation for him to sign. Except that meant Kiffin wouldn’t be paid the rest of the guaranteed money on his contract, so Kiffin refused. It turned into a big hoopla, Davis didn’t fire him, the season started, and 4 games into the next season they finally fired Kiffin. It was a pretty ridiculous ordeal. I can’t say that Kiffin wasn’t to blame – I don’t know if he had a part in the whole thing or not – what I can say is any reasonable/ethical person in his position probably would have done the same thing…
by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
I know some felt sorry for Wiffin after the Raiders thing, but c’mon, what did he expect? That’s like feeling sorry for the next woman who marries Tiger Woods. Wiffin must have know that he could cash in; even a tumultuous stint with the Raiders. Think about about, it’s somewhat a of no lose situation. If you win, you’re incredible for doing so under Davis rein. If you lose, well, you worked for a Howard Hughes. In any case, you can parlay that gig into a top-notch new gig – Nebraska or Tennessee.
What we should take away from this situation
Don’t take your coach for granted. Phil Fulmer during his Tennessee coaching career declined, but he won a national title and was a year removed from a divisional title. He had a losing season and was forced out, in spite of his ties to Tennessee, as a player, an assistant, and a coach.
They got Lane Kiffin in return, who promptly left after a year.
Maybe Tennessee got what it deserved?
Think about this next time you want Tedford out the door.
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by Rishi on Jan 13, 2010 9:12 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
RishiAid for fabulously rich former head coaches, Because Nobody Should Be Fired With a Winning Record.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Remember that post from the Utah guy before the Poinsettia Bowl?
by atomsareenough on Jan 13, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
After a fielding several strong team, including a final season of 10-6 a playoff appearance, Steve Mariucci was forced out by the San Francisco 49ers.
The 49’ers have been struggling reach mediocrity ever since.
maybe the 49’ers got what they deserved?
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IMHO
I don’t think Kiffin is the guy they wanted. Based on what was reported, Mike Riley, Jeff Fisher,and Jack Del Rio were all contacted but turned the job down. Chris Peterson, Herm Edwards, John Gruden, and Mariucci had their names come up but I’m not sure if those were just rumors. That drops Lane allllllll the way down the list.
IMO, Kiffin was hired because they couldn’t get anybody else with NFL “experience,” he was a part of the coaching staff during their best years under Carroll’s reign, is a good recruiter and bullshitter, and has the arrogant attitude that matches SC’s.
makes for a good story and I’m sure they’re sticking by it. If nothing else, Garrish can take his time to look for next coach. I guess even Carroll had him fooled about sticking around forever.
I don’t think Kiffin is the guy they wanted.
Apparent enthusiasm down there aside, even the USC faithful acknowledge that.
Behold the Trojan Empire.
"USC Commits Suicide"
Just a snippet:
Had the announcement been concurrent with a move to hire more NCAA compliance people–USC has just four on staff to oversee 19 sports (compared with its eight equipment guys and five video staffers, for example)–then maybe we could acknowledge a serious move on its part to instill some discipline in a department that has been under the pall of investigation for the latter half of this decade.
But that didn’t happen. USC did, however, move some other major mountains to get this thing done. Los Angeles Lakers owner and Trojan alum Jerry Buss stepped to the plate and paid for the Kiffin buy out from Tennessee. Public Storage owner Wayne Hughes provided much of the cash for the incredible staff that is coming with Kiffin to Los Angeles. They should’ve kept their money and demanded that USC do the right thing. Instead, they might have helped sew [sic] the seeds of their team’s demise.
by Ohio Bear on Jan 13, 2010 11:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
We'll see
NCAA tends to give their big programs a slap on the wrist and move along.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 13, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
reminds me of the famous Jerry Tarkanian quote, “the NCAA is so mad at Kentucky, it will probably slap another two years’ probation on Cleveland State.”
by cal85 on Jan 13, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Poor Wazzu is going to be confused when they get a five year bowl ban.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 13, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
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