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CGB Top 25 - Week 2

Well, we've now played two weeks of football, so we should know twice as much about which teams are good as we did last week.  Which still isn't much, frankly.  But it's a start.

RankTeamDelta
1 Southern Cal 4
2 Alabama
3 Brigham Young
4 Florida 3
5 Texas 1

Is USC the best team in the country?  I don't know.  I certainly have my doubts.  But I do know that the Trojans have the best win so far this year, and for now, that gets them the top spot in our poll.

But what about Florida?  Since the Gators still haven't played anyone with a pulse (and hosting Tennessee next week isn't going to change that), we not only remain skeptical, but we punish them (a bit) for an embarrassingly weak opening slate for a defending national champion.  Texas is in pretty much the same boat; yes, they did play on the road, but Wyoming was still widely picked to finish last in the Mountain West, hardly worthy competition for the 2009 Fiesta Bowl Champions.

Star-divide

6 California 1
7 Boise State 2
8 Penn State 4
9 Cincinnati 8
10 LSU 1

Oklahoma State takes a tumble (the SI cover curse strikes again!), and everyone else gets to move up.  Cincinnati followed up a convincing beating of Rutgers by hanging 70 on Southeast Missouri State.  Impressive, though I'm skeptical that this warrants a place in our Top 10.  I blame Avi for this, and you can too.

11 Mississippi 3
12 Houston
13 Ohio State 3
14 Michigan
15 Oklahoma

As Okie State falls, Houston rises up to (almost) take its place.  It's a great win for the Cougars, but its value 6-8 weeks from now will depend on the Cowboys putting the loss behind them and competing in the Big XII South.  Ohio State doesn't fall much after losing to a Top 5 team, while Michigan debuts in the Top 15 of our poll after taking down Notre Dame.  On reflection, this seems a bit high, but I don't particularly feel like a lot of teams below them have better wins or deserve to be above them (UCLA, for example, beat Tennessee, but it's pretty obvious that, right now, Notre Dame is better than the Vols).

16 UCLA
17 Georgia Tech 2
18 Virginia Tech 4
19 Miami (Florida) 6
20 TCU

Georgia Tech wins a thriller Thursday night over conference rival Clemson and moves up two spots.  This, honestly, disappoints me.  I thought the triple option was ineffective most of the night, Tech's defense was surprisingly porous, and they were very lucky to win that game.  I didn't include them at all in my Top 25, but Avinash and Yellow Fever overruled me.  I can't say why Virginia Tech fell (probably due to some random shuffling), but Miami (FL) definitely took a hit after their only win (Florida State) nearly was upset at home by I-AA Jacksonville State.

21 Utah 3
22 Oklahoma State 16
23 North Carolina
24 Oregon State 2
25 Kansas
Last week's ballot

The last 5 are always pretty dicey.  Utah doesn't look so hot after struggling with a San Jose State team that USC blasted just the week before.  Okie State is lucky to remain in the poll (how much is that Georgia win worth, really?), and North Carolina is lucky to still be undefeated, needing a safety (holding in the end zone -- ugh) to complete a 12-10 comeback victory.  Color me unimpressed.  Oregon State needed a last-second field goal to win at UNLV, but simply winning on the road in September is huge for them.  This week's Mr. Irrelevant is Kansas; the Jayhawks are 2-0 and have accomplished basically nothing.  We'll probably pick someone else next week.

Dropped Out: Notre Dame (#16), Georgia (#20), Florida State (#21), Baylor (#24), Navy (#25).

Notre Dame lost and Florida State nearly did so against lower-division competition, both justifying their exit from the poll.  Georgia suffers after Oklahoma State gagged vs. Houston, and Baylor and Navy simply get passed over by other teams with more impressive résumés.  No big deal; they'll be back if they keep winning.

Finally, as a measure of full disclosure, here's all three of our individual ballots:

ragnarok Avinash Yellow Fever
1. USC 1. USC 1. USC
2. BYU 2. BYU 2. Florida
3. Alabama 3. Alabama 3. Alabama
4. Florida 4. Boise State 4. Texas
5. Texas 5. Cincinnati 5. California
6. Penn State 6. Houston 6. BYU
7. California 7. Florida 7. Mississippi
8. Ohio State 8. Texas 8. Boise State
9. Oklahoma 9. LSU 9. LSU
10. Mississippi 10. UCLA 10. Penn State
11. Virginia Tech 11. Michigan 11. Georgia Tech
12. Boise State 12. Cal 12. Houston
13. Cincinnati 13. Penn State 13. Oklahoma
14. TCU 14. Georgia Tech 14. Oklahoma State
15. LSU 15. North Carolina 15. Cincinnati
16. Utah 16. Ohio State 16. Michigan
17. Michigan 17. Miami (FL) 17. Miami
18. UCLA 18. Utah 18. TCU
19. Miami (FL) 19. Oregon State 19. Ohio State
20. Houston 20. Virginia Tech 20. Virginia Tech
21. Oklahoma State 21. Ole Miss 21. UCLA
22. Nebraska 22. TCU 22. Utah
23. Kansas 23. Oklahoma 23. Kansas
24. Texas Tech 24. Oklahoma State 24. North Carolina
25. Oregon State 25. Georgia 25. West Virginia

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I can’t really argue with your reasoning, and I definitely favor the “resumè” method of polling over so-called power rankings. But as you note, none of these teams has much of a resumè to judge after two weeks, so I think the only way to go until, say, the first week of October is the subjective “power” route. Florida, by those standards, has to be #1, I think.

USC has showed enough to confirm a Top-10 spot, but it remains to be seen that they’re truly the best team in the country. Barkley’s post-game interview was telling: USC won in the fourth quarter because of the “Trojan mystique”. They expected to win, and their opponents expected, deep down at least, to lose. This mystique exists within the Pac-10, but not nearly as much as beyond the conference, because the other nine teams in the Pac are much more familiar with the Trojans, their players, their band, etc.. Hence ’SC dominates its non-conference opposition while often struggling in several games within conference.

I will be a believer in these Trojans if they can win @Seattle and @Berkeley in the next three weeks. Those two conference road tests will be even stiffer than what they faced in Columbus. Pete Carroll has done a great job in boosting Barkley’s confidence; now he faces an even more challenging task of keeping that confidence in check. I smell a lot of interceptions in the Trojans’ near future.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Sep 14, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions  

It’s more of a lack of imagination, I think. Fail to conceive of losing, and it’s hard to dwell on the possibility.

by DC Trojan on Sep 14, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Florida should still be #1 in any power ranking, based on their #1 ranking last year, returning a number of important starters, and the fact that they have yet to be even challenged.

However, in the early weeks of the season, I try to blend power and résumé ranking, starting with pure power (pre-season) and ending with pure résumé (post-season). In between, it’s a combination of the two, with résumés counting for more the more we know about these teams. Right now, I think USC, BYU and Alabama all have solid, impressive wins, which trump whatever ‘power’ we might perceive Florida to have, which is why I have Florida 4th. No one else possess a win that, in my mind, warrants them vaulting above the Gators, at least for now.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 14, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ucla at 16? Ummm … how?

Yes, they won on the road at an SEC stadium. But come on … it was Tennessee, and they do kind of suck. Had Tennessee beaten Ucla in the Rose Bowl would they be ranked 16?

That isn’t to diminish Ucla’s win, and they certainly do deserve to pop up in the polls. But more in the 22-25 range, not 16. Whether you’re basing this on resume or respect, that number is just too high. After all, as unimpressive as both EWU or Maryland were, it sure seems that Tennessee isn’t really all that much more impressive than either of them.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by SoCal Oski on Sep 14, 2009 7:59 AM PDT reply actions  

UCLA at 16 appears to stem mostly from Avi putting UCLA at 10.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 14, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

UCLA at 16 does seem a bit high, but who else should I put above them? I had them at 18, ahead of Miami (FL), Houston, and Oklahoma State. If someone would make a convincing argument that UCLA should be below any of those teams, I’ll gladly adjust my ballot.

Frankly, USC, BYU and Alabama have the only 3 victories that really impress me so far this season. Everything else is a jumble of conjecture.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 14, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Uhh Oklahoma State >>>>>>>>> Tennessee. End convincing argument.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Sep 14, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree with you, but I’m not sure exactly what your argument is. I conjecture that A > B. You counter that B >> C. A has already beaten C on the road. I don’t see a contradiction here.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 14, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t the argument that Houston’s win is much more impressive than UCLA’s, so they should be ranked above them?

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes indeed. Houston’s win is far more impressive. So is Miami’s

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Sep 14, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, I’ll concede Houston, but Florida State nearly gagged at home vs. I-AA Jacksonville State. At least Tennessee was able to destroy Western Kentucky, I-A’s newest member.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 14, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, so, I modified my ballot to move Houston up from 20 to, say 13, moving everyone else down in the process. The net effect on our poll would move Houston up 3 spots, from 12 to 9, and move Cincinnati, LSU, and Mississippi all down 1 spot each. I think I’m OK with this, and am going to make this change.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 14, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually think Arizona has as much of a case to be ranked as UCLA. Central Michigan knocked off Michigan State this past week (on the road) – not sure if Mich St is any good but at least CMU looks like a fairly decent win for UA, and I’m not sure that winning @UT was any more impressive than that.

Also, still cannot find ANY reason LSU is ranked so high. Someone care to explain what they’ve done to deserve that?

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Pac-10 #1

Sagarin has the Pac-10 rated as the number one conference at this point.

Next week, we’ll know for sure.

by YleeXOtee on Sep 14, 2009 9:10 AM PDT reply actions  

He also has Oregon at No. 14….

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by jtlight on Sep 14, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well if you do a strict resume ranking...

…Oregon doesn’t look that bad: lost a “close” game to a top-15 opponent that was ranked higher than them on the road, won a high-scoring game against a half-way decent Big-10 team at home

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Sep 14, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s because Sagarin’s ratings are still weighted with how good teams were thought to be in the preseason — hence Oregon’s high ranking. We’ll see in a few weeks how that changes.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 14, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Florida and Texas move down on, I assume, weak opponents. Cal goes up….hmmmm.

Guilty

by YleeXOtee on Sep 14, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

carp's poll

1) Cal
2) Doesn’t
3) Even
4) Matter

Wilner shows why he gets “worst voter of the year” year in/out:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2009/09/13/my-ap-top-25-football-poll-week-two-usc-rises-as-does-houston/

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by carp on Sep 14, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Worst polling I've ever seen.

This guy is either crazy or stupid. I’ll go with stupid.

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by Swamphunter on Sep 14, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not a huge fan of Wilner and don’t think he ever applies his “logic” consistently, but his ballot isn’t that bad if you actually read his explanation for how he votes. I also don’t see how it’s appropriate to use how the masses vote as a measuring stick for an individual voter, unless you seem to think the mass sentiment is correct in where teams should be?

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, his explanations don’t help help either. They’re essentially, “this team won, but I’ll move them down because I feel like it.”

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by Swamphunter on Sep 14, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

He gives a fairly detailed explanation of how he tries to vote in his preseason poll.

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well what I am seeing and commenting on in carp’s link is not his preseason poll now, is it?

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by Swamphunter on Sep 14, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I’m saying is if everyone wants to get on Wilner for how he votes, at least realize he’s published a rationale at some point.

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s true, I guess.

It would be nice if he had a link informing us that aren’t so in-the-loop though.

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by Swamphunter on Sep 14, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carp's next ex

<img src="[URL=http://img411.imageshack.us/i/046o.jpg/][IMG]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6447/046o.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]"/>

by Primo on Sep 14, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Best I could do

Tried and tried, Carp, but, could not post the image itself…..sorry.

by Primo on Sep 14, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 14, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

a distant 3rd.

Sarah + new random girl are ahead of her.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Sep 14, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you going to rate the Pac-10 cheerleading squads again?

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 14, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

does a bear shit in the woods?

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Sep 14, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

"NEW" random girl?

thought this was “…2nd from left” girl….isn’t she?

by Primo on Sep 14, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you just use the link for the file, the “http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6447/046o.th.jpg” part, when you try to post the image, then you should be fine. In this case, it looks like you copied imageshack’s own code for posting the link. If imageshack has something that says “direct link” below the image, use that from now own.

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by Berkelium97 on Sep 14, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I deleted the .th and it worked…not really sure what that appendage is from.

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 14, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

ree’d!

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 14, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

TYVM

thnks much to Berk and Spazz,,and about 5 others who are trying to hold my hand while I stumble across the keyboard…I have know idea how u guys figure this out, and are able to display an image which I cannot even deal with….but, I will try again. thanks for all your patience.

BTW, Wife says she doesn’t want to make the trip, so, we ( dirt, myself, and my son) have an extra ticket and ride and bed for anyone who wants to go see Cal kick the duck’s ass…..please don’t be shy, if interested, as selling one ticket at Autzen while festooned in my normal Blue and Gold regalia does not sound inviting.

by Primo on Sep 14, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

cool profile icon.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Sep 15, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

TY

U can see that tiny thing? ..or, did u clk on it?

by Primo on Sep 15, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Try asking people in tomorrow’s DBD. You might get some responses.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 15, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

TYVM, Avi

How early do u post? Prolly be best at the top of the DBD, no?…and, wtf, dude….why not come yourself? Got plans already?

by Primo on Sep 15, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, “preview” button is your friend.

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 14, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see where you’re going with this Avi, but I can’t even agree you have these teams correctly ranked based on quality of wins. If that’s how you’re ranking these teams, how can Texas be ranked in the top 10? How can Cincinnati be ranked 5? When you rank those teams where you do, you’re saying the SOS isn’t the only thing that matters. And, if that’s the case, ranking UCLA ahead of Cal is ridiculous, so is most of your top 15. With all due respect.

It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.

by BeastMode on Sep 14, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Yep

I get the idea behind Avi’s ranking, but the execution leaves much much much to be desired. One flaw is that using a “resume” system this early in the season is dependent on the assumption of the quality of opponent. Which is what the resume system is supposed to avoid.

And that is the only way anyone can justify a resume rank of Ucla at 10 and Cal at 12. There was an assumption that Tennessee was a better opponent than Maryland, and that Ucla scoring 19 against Tenn was a stronger accomplishment than Cal scoring 52 against the Terps.

There is simply no logic or rationale for applying a resume rank during the first several weeks, since it has to (by design) be based on the assumptive power rankings. It’s just silly to claim otherwise.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by SoCal Oski on Sep 14, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind I’ve pretty much watched most of the Cal games and have seen very little of the rest (I don’t think I’ve watched a complete game all season, maybe a half or two). I won’t have a clear picture of how good anyone is, until, say, October 17th.

Yes BeastMode, I do weigh in preseason expectations a little bit (Florida and Texas have been by far the preseason title favorites, and they’ve played like it even against nobodies, so I don’t dock them as far as everyone else), so it’s not totally resume, but the resume is more heavily weighted for me at this point in the season.

Yes SoCalOski, UCLA’s win on the road in Rocky Top is more impressive to me than Cal laying 50 on a Maryland team at home that nearly lost to James Madison. If Cal puts up similar numbers on the Gophers then I’ll probably switch them around.

I keep on trying to tell you people that VOTING IN WEEK 2 ON THE TOP 25 TEAMS IS MEANINGLESS. There might be no rational for applying a resume rank this early, but there’s no rationale for applying any rank this early except to satiate college fans with something to talk about.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 14, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maryland team at home that nearly lost to James Madison

To be fair, JMU is one of the best FCS programs out there. CAA > ACC. :)

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

CAA? It should be TGG.

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 14, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

all of you fail biology!

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 14, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know what it means, I just don’t know what it has to do with anything!

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 14, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

CGB: I just don't know what it has to do with anything!

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 14, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

They lost their starting QB and had a redshirt junior in, plus they lost their starting tailback. I guess JMU is well coached, but an overtime win is still pretty bad by the Terps.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 14, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rankings and Polls

TYVM for all 3 of ya putting rankings into some reasonalble perspective. I can’t send links yet, but there is a great article about rankings in Bleacher Report.com, titled, " Ranking the College AP Polls: Why Florida Should Not be No. 1", by Bryan Kelley. He basically argues against the pedestals teams are put on, with cupcake schedules, regardless of who they have or have not played.
I was not impressed by USC, and, think they are, as many have prognosticated, definitely beatable, particularly within the Pac-10. ( have not read Sagarian yet, but will look him up.) Pete Carroll is one helluva Coach, and my attitude toward him changed measureably after the 60-Minutes story ( mostly per his midnight ventures into the hood in Watts). His appetite for victory is something like Tiger Woods….a mindset.
As all Cal fans, I adore JT for the lift he has given our program. But, I would still be working on my degree if it had to include a game where Tedford went for 1st on 4th down, 4 times in the same game.

by Primo on Sep 14, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Why don’t Hydro or Twist have ballots?

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by Berkelium97 on Sep 14, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

They decided not to participate…they’ve got other stuff they do for CGB, as well as plenty of other obligations, and felt that coming up with a Top 25 every week wasn’t the best use of their time.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 14, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats Hydro’s answer. Mine is pure, unadulterated stupidity.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 14, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s the Tyrant Boy King we all know and love!

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by Berkelium97 on Sep 14, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

BYU #2? UCLA #10? Houston #6? - you guys just want more comments dont you

it’s a conspiracy, a marketing ploy, just to get people to comment…. i know it.. that’s why Avinash has the rankings he has.. just to create controversy. tricky tricky…

seriously though, HUH?

BYU at #2…. i don’t know guys.. they are great, but.. i don’t know.. 2nd best team in the land?..

UCLA #10? above Cal? Do you really believe UCLA is a better team? (its a serious question). Their QB is extremely shaky, and they have proven very little, don’t know if they should be in the top 20…

Houston #6??… I am guessing last year when stanford beat USC, did that warrant them to be moved into the top 10? That seems to be the formula here (see ucla, houston, michigan, miami FL).

More Notes: Personally I believe Michigan is way overrated (so was Notre Dame) – talk about ranking boost due to reputation & bias… LSU Is also overrated (as seen by the Washington game). I can’t believe Michigan jumped so high in the polls after they barely got by Notre Dame. But then again, who in the world would I rank ahead of them..

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by cleancutmedia on Sep 14, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

2nd best team in the land
Do you really believe UCLA is a better team

Well this is what you’re confused about. He never said he was ranking based on what team he thinks is best. He said he’s ranking based on what teams have the best resume, so what he’s really saying is he thinks BYU’s win over Oklahoma is the 2nd best win after USC’s win over OSU, and Cal’s win vs. Maryland and EWU were not as good as UCLA’s win’s @UT and vs. SDSU.

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. There’s a little unevenness with Florida and Texas, but otherwise that’s the principle I had in mind.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 14, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still not seeing all the love for LSU, especially based on resume…

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just feel that the Huskies are a much improved team from last year, and Vandy’s no pushover anymore.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 14, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I’ll counter by saying UW IS much improved from the worst team in Pac-10 history last year, which still makes them not very good. I also think Vandy is a huge pushover, last year was the first time they went to a bowl in forever (and they slipped in with a 6-6 record), AND they lost to Duke last year. My final point, look at what LSU did last year. They had a very nice bowl win, and the rest of their season was a load of crap. Their other wins were against North Texas, Appalachian State, Auburn, Miss St, South Carolina, Tulane and Troy. Meanwhile they lost 5 games, and got blown out of 3 of them. Stop buying into the hype, there’s no reason for LSU to even be ranked at all!

I’m on a campaign to rationalize people’s thoughts on LSU, if you can’t tell…

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, what’d Cal do last year? They squeaked by an okay Miami team, they narrowly edged a Michigan State team, and they benefitted from turnovers against Oregon. They crushed Wazzu and UW (everyone did), they beat up on Kevin Craft (everyone did), they needed gimmickery to pull away from the Furd (literally, they threw the entire playbook on that one). Arizona State was no good and that game wasn’t decided until very late, Colorado State, whatever.

Meanwhile they got blown up by Maryland, played tightly against USC, got ripped apart by Arizona and Alamared by OSU. Bottom line, Cal’s 2008 season wasn’t that much more impressive than LSU’s, and you could make a pretty symmetrical argument the other way favoring the Tigers.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 14, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, I wrote out a convincing argument why Cal isn’t comparable to LSU and as I was researching the last bit my browser crashed and I lost it all. The conclusion I came to was they aren’t comparable, though. Brief summary of my findings – even not crediting UW and WSU as BCS competition, Cal ended up with 6 wins compared to 4 for LSU against BCS teams last year. Cal was 2-2 against Top 25 teams (including a win over top 10 Oregon), LSU was 1-4. LSU was barely even bowl eligible, it’s a good thing they scheduled OOC the way they did. Also, Cal’s performance on the field this year has been a lot better than LSU’s. I just don’t see a symmetrical argument in favor of LSU at all unless you discredit all of Cal’s wins while not discrediting how weak 3 of LSU’s 4 wins against BCS competition were (Auburn, Miss St, South Carolina…really?).

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alright, let me put it this way.

I want to see Cal win on the road, convincingly, before I start making any definite judgments on the Bears.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 14, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

And it’s a very fair point, one that I do not disagree with. We’re seemingly arguing over different things, because all I’m saying is I want to see LSU beat anyone noteworthy, or convincingly, or any other way that reflects well on them at all before I make any positive judgments on them. Right now their resume is a big pile of garbage.

by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen!

You get a SUPER REC’D for the passion! I feel it I was just too lazy to type it.

by CaliforniaCMB on Sep 14, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh, your enthusiasm is awesome. However, I have to write about this team as objectively as I can.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 15, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have to write about this team as objectively as I can

I don’t see why…

by Missing Barry on Sep 15, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it builds credibility. I think there’s a way to showcase our passion for Cal football without acting all “CAL IS GOING 11-2 THIS YEAR, BUT WE’RE ONLY LOSING 2 GAMES BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY KARL DORRELL CAN GO UNDEFEATED!”

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by TwistNHook on Sep 15, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, you guys haven’t given up on the whole credibility idea yet….interesting…

by Missing Barry on Sep 15, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, some of us haven’t.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 15, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

And, Plaudits to ya for it.

I can remember walking into a huge Journalism Class, maybe in Wheeler, and seeing this large CBS banner hanging over the stage. This was in the 70’s, children, and the truth search was on. Walter Cronkite was sharing the thone with Timothy Leary. But, the point of the lecture was, “dont’ print it unless u know it’s true”.
Avi, there is no way in hell I could write a non-biased word about Cal football this year. I don’t know how u , or Rags, or, Twist, or Berk, or Hydro do it.

by Primo on Sep 15, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard that CBKWit guy is a total homer though.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 15, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

ok ok

in that case, lets move florida & texas down the charts… so many of these guys never anyone..

i really wish washington could have pulled through on LSU. that would have been a sweet victory for the pac-10.

get off me bandwagoners!
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by cleancutmedia on Sep 14, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

No offense, Avinash, but I totally hate your poll.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 14, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Heh, not even remotely shocked at that.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 14, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

All offense, Avinash, but I totally hate your poll.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Sep 14, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

All offense, Avinash, but I HELLA hate your poll.

by CaliforniaCMB on Sep 14, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I blame Avi for this, and you can too.

I blame Avi for literally everything that goes bad in my life.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Sep 14, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

THANKS TO ME READING THIS SENTENCE MY WIFE DIVORCED ME AND MY DOG THREW UP THANKS A LOT RAGS

-SPAZZY

PS FUCK YOU

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 14, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently, I cause country songs to happen.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 14, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dolphins listen to hip hop.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 15, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

So. Freaking. Confused.

by CaliforniaCMB on Sep 15, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

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