Meditations on the 12th Game
This FanPost is an attempt to determine the effects of the recently added 12th regular season game on college football, paying particular attention to the decision of the Pac-10 conference (hereafter PX) to institute a round robin (hereafter RR).
For those who don’t want to wade through the data and analysis below the fold and would prefer just to comment, I’ll quickly sum up the conclusions I reach:
- The average number of bowl teams in the PX has increased slightly since the introduction of the RR
- The average number of BCS eligible at-large teams – defined as 9+ wins in the regular season – in the PX has increased slightly since the introduction of the RR.
- The average number of wins has increased slightly since the introduction of the RR.
- Generally, the PX has a smaller increase in bowl and BCS eligible teams and average number of wins compared to every major conference since the introduction of the RR.
- The PX has increased its bowl win pctg., going from .442 during 1998-2005 to .706 in the last three years.
- The approximate revenue increase from dropping the home-away RR in favor of two home games against lower division teams is appreciable but does not reach the ceiling a better television deal would reach.
- In my opinion, the key to a superior TV contract is through the "West Coast Advantage" of the RR, which attractively differentiates the conference and would help to negotiate a contract comparable to that of the SEC/Big10.
To refresh, of all the discussion topics at CGB this summer, perhaps the most passionate was the one questioning whether or not the Pac-10 should continue the round robin schedule. Local Jahvidtician Avinash started the discussion with a post, "Should the Pac-10 End Round Robin Scheduling," that elicited almost 500 comments. This is turn prompted Pac-10 blogger Ted Miller to offer his judgment – while linking directly to CGB! – on the matter in "Should the Pac-10 end round-robin scheduling? Of course it should." Indicating CGB’s ever-increasing influence on the sporting world, Matt Hinton, proprietor of Rivals’ Dr. Saturday blog, subsequently linked to both CGB’s and Ted Miller’s pieces while respectfully disagreeing, "Don’t listen to the cynics, Pac-10 idealists." Verily, CGB has arrived.
Avinash, Miller, and even Hinton all agree on the facts. Quoth Miller:
So the Pac-10 should end round-robin scheduling, a practice that only insures the conference suffers five additional losses a season, which hurts national rankings and strength of schedule ratings, which then combines to hurt the conference in the BCS standings.
Most objections to the round robin follow a similar arc: Pac-10 teams miss out on revenue opportunities in the form of additional home and bowl games, particularly at-large BCS appearances, due to half the conference having an additional loss. This hurts the conference’s overall exposure and its national perception.
We can group the objections to the RR in three very loose categories – bowl appearances, national exposure, and revenue opportunities. I will begin by dealing with the topic of bowl appearances.
Avinash, Miller, and Hinton have a point. The last time the PX sent two teams to the BCS was in 2002, which was also a year that most teams played a 12 game regular season and the PX did not have a round robin. (Several teams, including National Champion tOSU, played 13 games in the regular season.) Moreover, the PX sent seven teams to bowls that year, and could have sent an eighth had Cal been eligible for the post-season.
2002 might simply have been a case of an excellent PX. In 2003, it was able to muster merely 6 bowl eligible teams despite identical conditions to the preceding year. In 2001 and 2004-2005, when only an 11 game regular season was played, the PX had only 5 bowl teams.
Evidenced by the statistics available on the ESPN conference web pages and at The National Championship Issue’s Non-Conference Games post, the PX has averaged no fewer bowl teams since 2006 then they did before.
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Not only that, there has been no drop-off in the number of teams eligible for BCS consideration (defined as 9+ wins during the regular season).
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What explains the lack of any discernible effect? The threshold for victories has not changed, but the threshold for losses has. Though true that the round robin produces five guaranteed conference losses (as well as five guaranteed wins), it is very nearly irrelevant to the total number of bowl teams because the expanded schedule provides a safety net for that extra loss. This explanation, while valid, does not tell the full story. We would expect PX teams to possess a lower average win total if more teams were going 6-6 or 5-7 due to the round robin. Instead, however slight, the opposite has occurred. (Note this table applies purely to regular season wins. Conference championship and bowl games are excluded):
(For those who wish to examine the underlying data supporting these conclusions, I have uploaded it as a Google Doc: AvgWinsSupportData. I would recommend exporting it from the Google doc because navigating that spreadsheet is incredibly unwieldy compared to using MS Excel. Finally, I have done my absolute best to ensure there were no errors. Should any materialize, please let me know and I will fix them.)
The RR-as-damaging-to-the-Pac-10 theory would hold that the PX would have the smallest increase in wins among the "Big Six" conferences. In truth, this label applies to the ACC (though distinguishing between 1/100th and 1/10th of a win is a somewhat pointless exercise). On the other hand, conferences generally regarded as being subordinate to the PX in quality, such as the Big Ten and Big East, saw some of the largest increases in average wins.
This is not to say the RR has had no effect. Rather, whatever its extent, the effect is hidden. Without the RR, the average wins, number of bowl teams, and BCS eligible teams would probably have shown a significant increase, similar to that of the SEC or Big East. What I take away then is that the RR has not caused the PX to regress as some have claimed, but it has prevented it from the rapid and noticeable growth other conferences have experienced. Though speculation, I attribute the fact that the PX has averaged as many bowl teams, BCS eligible teams, and wins in the RR era to a substantial increase in the quality of its teams.
Which brings us to the second point: exposure. In placing the same number of teams the PX has maintained its level of exposure. But look at the difference in what it has done with such exposure. From 1998-2005 Pac-10 teams were sub .500 in their bowl games. Since 2006 they’ve gone 12-5, good enough for a .706 win pctg. When the nation is watching, PX teams, toughened up by their rigorous non-conference slate and round robin conference schedule, win.
On the other hand, teams from the ACC and Big 10, using the extra game simply to pad their resumes, fall flat. Thus their respective bowl records went from a respectable .521 to a disastrous .385 and tough .539 to a catastrophic .273. Can anyone deny that all those extra bowl teams have hurt their conference’s reputation by consistently getting blown out?
A seeming anomaly is the Big East’s record in bowl games. The BE’s win pctg is due in part to its 6-0 record over the last 3 years against non-AQ competition. Also worth mentioning is the BE’s round robin conference schedule, plus each team’s tendency to schedule at least two AQ OOC opponents.
While the sample size is still small, it seems clear from at least the PX perspective that the round robin functions as a quality control. Only deserving teams reach the postseason and when they get there, they tend to win and win over quality opposition.
Finally there is the question of revenue. This section is the most speculative, but accepting that limitation, one can make a strong case that the round robin schedule actually holds the greatest potential revenue.
First, I’ll discuss the facts.
The 2009 BCS Media guide (pdf) details the payment schedule for participating teams from AQ conferences:
Notre Dame is guaranteed 1/66th of the net revenues after expenses, or approximately $1.3 million. Notre Dame will receive $4.5 million when its team is a participant.
The share to each conference with an annual automatic berth in the BCS (ACC, Big East, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-10 and SEC) is approximately $18 million. When a second team from one of those conferences qualifies to play in one of the games, that conference will receive an additional $4.5 million.
These figures have remained generally consistent over the prior five years so it is logical to project roughly that same amount heading forward, as this document makes clear: BCS Five Year Summary of Revenue Distribution 2004-2008 (pdf).
Similarly, we can project with reasonable accuracy the revenue a home game will bring. The National Championship Issue looked at every non-conference home game played by every I-A team, filtered the average by AQ, non-AQ, and I-AA affiliation, and then compared the average attendance. For the Pac-10 in particular, the results were striking:

Assuming similar attendance for a conference opponent as for an AQ OOC opponent, these figures allow us to reasonably estimate the difference in revenue between playing a home-and-away with a conference opponent and hosting a patsy two years in a row. Worth keeping in mind is the following information from the Seattle Times regarding PX conference games:
In a policy that dates to 1985, visiting teams are guaranteed a minimum of $125,000 and a maximum of $200,000 from the ticket receipts for conference games, the home team keeping the rest. Almost every game results in each school writing its opponent a check for $200,000, making it a virtual wash for everybody.
The lone exception to that is for rivalry games, which was at the heart of the recent controversy over whether to move the Apple Cup to Qwest Field.
For each school's rivalry game, the gate is split evenly.
As this is a Cal-centric blog, I will use Memorial Stadium’s capacity and single game ticket prices as the example. I chose the single game ticket price because I could not find a specific breakdown of the type of season tickets sold, and the "most popular" package, the Reserved plan, is only about $.60 less per game in 2009 than if you merely bought a single game ticket, so long as you ignore the elevated ticket prices of the USC game. Other schools who will have USC rotate off the schedule also charge more for that game, but including that would be a point in favor of the revenue a round robin would bring in and run contrary to the conservative nature of these estimates .
A word on the assumptions used. Because TNCI’s calculations of average attendance for each classification was derived from all ten schools, I chose to extract what that figure represented as a percentage of the average capacity of all ten schools using the figures provided on wikipedia. I then applied this percentage to Memorial’s capacity to find average attendance at Memorial for a BCS conference opponent, and then used that figure as the base in applying the percentage decrease depending on the opponent’s conference affiliation that TNCI discovered for the Pac-10.
Thus, we see that for Memorial stadium, the average attendance against BCS opponents is 68,684 (95.66% of its capacity), the average attendance for non-BCS is 54,398 (79.2% of its average BCS attendance), and the average attendance for I-AA is 49,521 (72.1% of the BCS total). Using the posted single game ticket price of $51 and a $500,000 payout, that works out to a revenue increase of only $1,045,694.45 against two non-BCS opponents and $548,282.44 for two I-AA opponents. If the conference placed an additional BCS team then add an additional $450,000 to that total. Nothing to sneer at, unless you compare it to the potential riches of an exclusive television contract of the sort that the SEC worked out with CBS and ESPN.
The SEC did not disclose the terms of deal they received from CBS, but their arrangement with ESPN was for $2.25bil over 15 years. That works out to about $12.5 million per team per year assuming equal revenue sharing, a practice at least the PX employs. And that doesn’t even take into account what each team earns from the CBS deal. To put that into perspective, Mississippi St, easily the worst team in the SEC, will make more than double this year in television revenue what USC made last year (figures courtesy Seattle Times):
And now for some speculation.
The Pac-10 could get a television deal like that, but it needs something to differentiate it. The round robin is the thing to do it. The story lines of a true round robin are so much more compelling. Every week there's a game in which the entire conference race could change.
The Worldwide Leader loves to promote college football by saying "Every game counts." Well the Pac-10 takes those words and makes them real. Taking away the round robin would hurt the Pac-10's quality by sending inferior teams to bowl games. It wouldn't yield as much money per school as a national football/basketball television contract would. And it would take away the most dramatic regular season in the country as well as the chance to publicize it for all to see.
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Great piece, loved the hard data
Would’ve rec’d this twice for flattery if I could.
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by Avinash on Aug 24, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
Yeah, the numbers surprised me quite a bit once I finally had broken them all out.
by Nashville on Aug 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post. Rec'd!
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Aug 24, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. I appreciate the help on the technical questions too.
by Nashville on Aug 24, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having re-read this I have one question:
Is it possible that the # of bowl games, and the total revenue gained by all school has GONE UP since round robin started?
True this doesn’t change the meaning of your post, but I am curious.
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by royrules22 on Aug 24, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There has been an increase in bowl games
But since 2006, only three new bowls have been added, not including the BCS NCG. Those three bowls, The Eaglebank, St. Petersburg, and International, only match ACC/BigEast teams with non-BCS teams. This might account for why those two conferences saw the sharpest uptick in average bowl teams.
So, I do not think it has overly impacted the Pac-10 bowl line-up, except by freeing up something like the Poinsettia bowl for a Pac-10 team. Of course, the year in which that would have been useful – 2006 – it was not around, so two 6-6 teams (Arizona and WSU) had to stay home for bowl season.
Good question though.
by Nashville on Aug 24, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clap clap clap
I love this post. I just skimmed the data, and I gotta read this more fully when I get home. But it’s already epic!

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We also need our own Pac 10 Network…like the Big10 and SEC has. It will lose money at first, but will eventually create more coverage and more long term fans… thus more attendance.. which is a key equation in all this. It’s a huge risk, but I wish some big network would be willing to make the investment in what could eventually be a billion dollar asset.
by danzig on Aug 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Pac-10 has discussed a joint network
Sports Business Journal reported last week that the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-10 will look into the possibility of creating a single national channel. It would combine the programming of two of those conferences – either the ACC and Pac-10 or the Big 12 and Pac-10.
Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe told Sports Business Journal that a joint conference channel “is something that is deserving of full exploration, if you can put together a network where everybody can get along.”
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by Avinash on Aug 24, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this less… although it makes much more financial sense.
I want someone to take a chance long term and build an audience… or rather “create the market.” The key to this would be broadcasting not only the lucrative games, but the non lucrative ones as well… the lost leaders. I have both the Big10 and SEC networks at home. Both show totally garbage games….esp the Big10 network. Plus they show all the other sports like VOlleyball, soccer, track etc. Plus they have news broadcasters and content shows that are total homers to their conference.
Now the collective agreement wouldn’t be much different from what FSN has right now (with three regions)… picking up only the best of the rest. I want a dedicated Pac10 channel that shows every game including the garbage ones and other sports… thus building a long term fan base like the SEC has… or close to it.
I know it would take a few years, but if you look at what the rights are worth in the SEC and Big10… this project could be worth potentially billions 5-10 years down the line. I know it’s a longshot, but I’m just saying, it could happen.
by danzig on Aug 24, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds similar to what I want, except
You want all Pac-10 games on the Pac-10 network?
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by Avinash on Aug 24, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Just like the Big10 and SEC networks. Part of it has to do with the announcing, news shows and content on the network. It’s all biased towards the network and the coverage is soooo deep. I never knew Northwestern football players had to wash their own jock straps… etc.
With the collective network, the coverage will most certainly be neutral… like FSN.
by danzig on Aug 24, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
I am generally on your side with the idea of a Pac-10 network.
L.A. used to support two NFL teams in addition to everything they have going on. Now they have none. Meanwhile USC (and soon UCLA?) has become one of the hottest tickets in town. Even if the proposed network had to ride the back of USC (and to a lesser extent Cal, Oregon, and Oregon St.), I’d still be okay with that as it used its marquee program to create publicity for the other teams. Further a round robin in football is almost the perfect conference system to drive viewers for a television network because it forces fans of ‘SC to worry about what’s happening in Eugene, and fans in Seattle to care what’s happening in Tucson.
by Nashville on Aug 25, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to put this in the piece itself
But the data on the regular season came from the College Football Data Warehouse, which is just a superlative site for studying old college football information. Better than Stassen I would even say.
Link: http://collegefootball.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=collegefootball&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cfbdatawarehouse.com%2F
by Nashville on Aug 24, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The average number of BCS eligible at-large teams – defined as 9+ wins in the regular season – in the PX has increased slightly since the introduction of the RR.
The average number of wins has increased slightly since the introduction of the RR.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the RR was instituted because the NCAA added a 12th game, right? So it would be expected that more Pac-10 teams would get to 9 wins and the average # of wins would have to increase, right? The question would be if those numbers went up at a lower percentage than the rest of the nation, which added a 12th game too (but typically a cream puff game).
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by norcalnick on Aug 24, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's an interesting question
If I understand your point, you are certainly right that the 5 guaranteed wins versus 5 guaranteed losses are not going to be randomly distributed among all teams. The top teams are more likely to earn a win during round robin play, which coupled with their higher likelihood of winning all or most of their non-conference games, should lead to generally higher win totals for the superior teams.
The problem is that every two years that extra game will be on the road. Road games are inherently more difficult to win; the Pac-10’s record against the MWC last year speaks to that. Further, the talent gap within a major conference is not nearly so divergent as it is between major and minor conferences and thus upsets become a regular feature of the landscape. There have been far too many notable upsets to name exhaustively, but USC@OrSt in 2008, LSU@Kentucky, Pitt@WVU and Oklahoma@Colorado in 2007, and USC@UCLA in 2006 are only a few that have occurred within conference play in the last 3 years. By adding another conference game the Pac-10 ensures a greater possibility of such upsets which will occasionally lessen the number of wins a top team can earn.
With respect to the average number of wins, the round robin does not change the average number of wins either way. Every win is counterbalanced by a loss. The issue is that the opportunity cost of holding an extra conference game is very high compared to scheduling a certain win. Instead of a .700, .800, .900, or even 1.000 win pctg, the extra game yields only a .500 win pctg for the Pac-10 as a whole.
Does that help to address your question?
by Nashville on Aug 24, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is that every two years that extra game will be on the road. Road games are inherently more difficult to win; the Pac-10’s record against the MWC last year speaks to that. Further, the talent gap within a major conference is not nearly so divergent as it is between major and minor conferences and thus upsets become a regular feature of the landscape.
Really good point, not one I thought much about before.
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by Avinash on Aug 26, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
very nice work ‘ville. I agree with Avi’s post.
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by carp on Aug 25, 2009 8:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was the lone "nay" sayer
http://www.conquestchronicles.com/2009/6/24/923414/another-year-same-result-sec-big
We’ve been tracking the expected W/L record for the average BCS conference team on ConquestChronicles for the last 2 years. Year 1 (2008) prediction produced very accurate results. Year 2 (2009) prediction also supports our stance on RR.
Your argument regarding attendance is flawed because it assumes that in-conference attendance isn’t affected by OOC scheduling and results. Do you think a Pac-10 game between 1-2 Arizona and 1-2 Washington (assuming Pac-10 continues to schedule tough 3 OOC games vs 4 rather winnable games like SEC does) would have same attendance as 4-0 Arizona vs 4-0 Washington?
by anh_sc79 on Aug 25, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading that
First, congratulations on having had your piece picked up by Dr. Saturday! That is a major honor!
Second, given the nature of your critique, would you agree it applies more to Pac-10 non-conference scheduling decisions rather than the round robin? That is a 3-0 OOC record would provide very nearly the same benefits while maintaining the potential upside of the round robin.
Third, I think you argument overstates the effect. Two pieces of evidence give me reason to believe this. First, have a look at the ncaa.org 2008 Oregon St. web page here. It lists the opponent, game date, scores, location (e.g. home/away), and attendance. Notice that despite starting the season 0-2, Oregon St. pulled in a larger crowd to face 1-1 Hawaii (45,059) than they did the next week against #1 USC (42,839). To be fair, USC was a Thursday night game and OSU relies on fans from across the state, so examine the crowd following their loss to Utah two weeks later (when OSU 2-3). They were playing a miserable 1-5 WSU team, yet brought in their third largest crowd of the entire season (45,289). Likewise Washington, who despite being 0-9, brought 60,000 fans to the UCLA game (UCLA was 3-6 at the time). The team quit long before the fans did. Second, the average attendance figure I used is moderately sensitive to the point you’re making. Though a proxy, it nonetheless it covers the presumed drop in attendance following 0-1 and 0-2 starts against OOC competition as you envision.
In answer to your question, I do not think that it matters as much as we might believe, except among extraordinarily fickle fan bases (cough Stanford cough). The reason is that when two bad teams play, I can understand the mentality that says “hey, we might actually win one,” which would in turn drive attendance levels. Likewise, two good teams would come out to see an exciting and even match-up. Though I certainly don’t have a correlation coefficient to confirm or deny this point, I would suspect that the greatest attendance problems would come when your 1-2 Washington plays 3-0 USC and the result is a likely beatdown.
by Nashville on Aug 25, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fair critique
While my analysis does mainly focus on the strength of OOC schedule, you can’t help but notice that Pac-10’s round robin hurts even if it plays comparably tough OOC schedule as other confereces (for example ACC).
So far we all know that ever since the 12th game was instituted no Pac-10 team got a 2nd BCS bowl invite, DESPITE the addition of 5th BCS bowl game. And it would be fair to say that had the 5th BCS bowl game existed in 11 game seasons, we’d absolute see more Pac-10 teams in the BCS (Cal in 2004 is the easiest example to bring up). We should look at the BCS standings from 1998 till 2005 and see if any Pac-10 team would have made it had the 5th BCS game been instituted earlier.
1998 – fUCLA to BCS, Arizona would have made it if 5th game existed (ranked #7, 11-1)
1999 – Stanford to BCS, no one else would have made it (damn Pac-10 sucked that year, Pac-10 champ with 69-17 loss to Texas and a loss to SJSU)
2000 – 2 teams made it
2001 – Oregon to BCS. Stanford or Wazzu might have gone (Tenn, Texas don’t qualify, 2 teams from their confs, Stanford next highest)
2002 – 2 teams made it
2003 – USC to BCS, 2nd team unlikely (Texas, Tennessee, Miami OH more likely than Wazzu)
2004 – USC to BCS, Cal would have made it
2005 – USC to BCS, Oregon would have made it
So lets compare
From 2006-2008, in 3 seasons – 0 2nd Pac-10 teams
From 1998-2005, in 8 season – 6 2nd Pac-10 teams under current 5 game format.
See the difference?
At this point, my argument about attendance for 1-2 Stanford vs 4-0 Stanford is just a speculation. But so is every other analysis that uses “ceteris paribus” when analysing round robin. To me, increasing attendance by sacrifising 1 conference game for a cupcake makes sense – this extra win (thus overall better record for every member of conference) easily creates more drama and attention(that’s what drives attendance, right?).
by anh_sc79 on Aug 25, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good points
Upfront I want to mention that this discussion has slightly shifted focus. While your initial comment focused on the revenue aspect of home-home vs. home-away game attendance, here we are approaching revenue (it always comes back to that doesn’t it?) from the vantage point of additional BCS teams generated by an extra win.
You have me somewhat at a disadvantage here in that I partially agree with you. From above:
This is not to say the RR has had no effect. Rather, whatever its extent, the effect is hidden. Without the RR, the average wins, number of bowl teams, and BCS eligible teams would probably have shown a significant increase, similar to that of the SEC or Big East. What I take away then is that the RR has not caused the PX to regress as some have claimed, but it has prevented it from the rapid and noticeable growth other conferences have experienced.
Allowing that the Pac-10 would likely have more 9-win teams and more probable BCS appearances if they replaced a possible win with a definite one, I think it ultimately comes down to where the greatest potential revenue sources are. The answer is in a national television contract, which I believe is less likely to come to a Pac-10 playing an 8-game conference schedule than a RR, not a second BCS team. I am willing to admit that if such a long-term gambit does not pay off, your prescription is more attractive to the conference from a revenue standpoint.
That said, I wish to engage you on some of the examples you list above.
First, if the goal is to retroactively apply the 5th BCS game, you must also retroactively apply the conditions it operates under. That means Notre Dame as well as a non-BCS team that qualifies receive automatic bids. Thus, while there are potentially 4 at-large BCS bids under the 5 game system, in some years there may only be 2, exactly as it was previously. Given the consistency with which non-BCS teams have been and would have been eligible, I think it is safe to say that no more than 3 available at-large bids should be expected.
Second, I am not certain, but I would advise against conflating the 5th BCS game with the 12th game. They were decided upon almost a year apart and for seemingly different motives. The 5th BCS game was simply to provide more access to non-BCS schools:
A group of college presidents announced that the Bowl Championship Series would expand from four to five games beginning in 2006, providing more access to those games for the so-called “have-nots” 54 schools of Division I-A.In contrast, the 12th game seems designed mostly to allow CFB programs to bring in more revenue:
The 12-game proposal in football was among more than 100 items considered by the council.
Currently, Division I football teams play 11 regular-season games except in years when there are 14 Saturdays from the first permissible playing date through the last playing date in November. The 2002 and 2003 seasons qualified for the extra game, but without the new legislation, the next would not be until 2008.
Next, I wish to address the “lack” of 2nd BCS teams from 2006-2008. 2007 featured three squads capable enough to be considered BCS contenders; however Oregon and Cal both suffered from serious injuries to their key offensive players. Oregon was a lock for the BCS NCG until Dennis Dixon went down.
I would also take issue with the 1998 and 2004 examples. The number of at-large bids were sufficient. In both cases it was simply the result of politics that Pac-10 teams did not make it. Indeed they deserved to be selected before the teams who ultimately replaced them (Florida and Texas respectively).
2005 is an interesting case because Oregon is a perfect example of the remedy you’re prescribing. They went 10-1, losing only to MNC runner-up USC, while coasting through a non-conference slate of @Houston (6-6), vs. Montana (I-AA), vs. Fresno St. (8-5). The team that took their place, Ohio St., did so despite an additional loss, losing to MNC Texas and Big Ten Champ Penn St., and a non-conference slate of vs. Miami (OH) (7-4), vs. Texas (13-0), vs. SDSU (5-7). tOSU, not Oregon, played the more rigorous non-conference schedule and was much more competitive in their losses than was Oregon. While it’s Oregon would have made it if a 5th game existed, stronger OOC scheduling would’ve meant they could make it without any expansion.
As for your last point, I think we can agree on the logical consistency of both our approaches. Yours derives excitement from higher win totals while mine sees a benefit in more compelling match-ups. I’m not sure that either of us can do much more in terms of persuasion, but I will offer this last little salvo.
I disagree that it is purely extra wins that drive ticket sales. Ask Stanford if they received any benefit by scheduling UC Davis. Or USC when they killed Idaho. At best it is a simple week-off before a more important game. At worst, you lose the game and respect. It is extra wins in notable match-ups that count. That is why the Pac-10’s bowl record over the last three years is significant. Achieving a high winning pctg against quality opposition (4 of 5 bowl opponents last year were ranked) is the best way to create and sustain the excitement and drama that results in ticket sales and program interest. That can be taken to suicidal lengths (see Washington 2008), but an RR and strong OOC – and proper PR letting everyone know exactly how tough such a proposition is – offers the surest way to realize those goals in my opinion.
Thank you very much for offering your critique though. It’s definitely forced me to think about some of the hidden indicators in a conference and out-of-conference schedule and you have some unassailable points.
by Nashville on Aug 25, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for very thourough responce
Even if it is the answer that I may not agree with fully, I much rather see a well argued and researched point than what we usually hear from those tools in the Pac-10 office (ala “erghh… we just like the tradition… erghh it’s not going to benefit us… ergh… the things are fine the way they are”)
Wonder if Larry Scott’s office will go through some analysis and number crunching?
by anh_sc79 on Aug 25, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s hope so. Larry Scott seems like a pretty shrewd businessmen.
by Nashville on Aug 27, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about.....
Let’s forget about everyone outside the PX for a second. How about the fact that we now have an undisputed (most of the time) champ. Before the RR there was the same old conversation at the end of the year. "Yeah but (insert champs name here) didn’t have to play (insert another school here) and we got stuck playing everyone EXCEPT (insert the last place school here)!!
Just another reason to keep the RR.
By the way, great post. My Husky co-worker and I couldn’t believe the numbers you gave on the TV revenue comparisons. When does the contract with FSN run out?
by Wazzu Willy on Aug 25, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe it is after the 2011-2012 season. During Pac-10 media days Larry Scott mentioned that he had two seasons to learn the ins-and-outs of football, basketball, etc. before he had to come through with a new 15-20 year TV deal.
Great point regarding the water cooler discussions. 2005 was just such a year, when UCLA and Oregon didn’t play, and both finished with 10 win seasons.
by Nashville on Aug 25, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re right. I remember hearing something like that.
The water cooler discussions went beyond just the championship talks. I know some friends and I went round and round about who was better, cougs or huskies, and the schedule always came up. I’m sure it was like that with every other rivalry in the PX.
by Wazzu Willy on Aug 25, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this doesn't make it to Ted Miller's Pac10 links tomorrow, then I don't know what his criteria is
But great data, and definitely something to think about.
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Aug 26, 2009 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ask and you shall receive
This post was Miller’s first link today. He called it “compelling” and “very impressive.”
Great work, Nashville.
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
by Berkelium97 on Aug 27, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RR as a Selling Point for TV Contracts
The argument of the RR producing superior games would be strengthened by the improvement and return to respectability of the teams that have been buried in the league basement for much of the past decade, notably Washington, Washington State, and Stanford.
The situation at Washington tate still seems to be somewhat questionable, but Washington and Stanford both seem to be making strides to return to respectability.
by GldnBear71 on Aug 27, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re right.
Winning at WSU shouldn’t be any more difficult than winning at Oregon St, which is to say that it’s a very difficult task that requires an excellent, innovative, and committed coach. But…as has been proven almost every year of this decade, it’s more than possible at those two schools. Likewise Stanford.
While Washington, with its tradition, needs to return to the top, WSU and Stanford merely need 4-6 wins a year to keep the Pac-10 RR a viable option. The SEC manages with the likes of Vanderbilt, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Mississippi St, all of whom have suffered a winless year in conference play during the BCS era.
by Nashville on Aug 27, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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