USC Roundtable
TwistNHook: DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES???
Could this be the year? Could this be the year, we finally break through. For all of our ups and all of our downs, we've played USC really hard. Only in 2005, during the Era of Ayoob, did we get crushed. All the other years, Cal is right in it. In 2006 and 2008, USC pulled away late to make it look not as close as it really was. But even in that rough 2007 year, we were right in it up until....wait for it....wait for it, stunningly, a late 4th quarter Longshore interception. Did not see *that* one coming?
So, what are your guys thoughts? Can Cal beat USC? Or will Taylor "I crush the dreams of babies on a daily basis" Mays be enough to play every position on the field????
Avinash: Let's go over this point: It's not a "miracle" for Cal to beat USC. This isn't 2003 anymore. We are not huge underdogs and haven't played like huge underdogs. We've played the Trojans like equals, USC has just managed to outlast us each time.
The Bears have played the Trojans tightly in four of their five previous matchups; USC has been slightly better than us each time we've faced them. They've won the 4th quarter both ways, by getting the big stops and/or putting the points on the board. Good for them.
But if we beat USC this season, it's not a monumental upset, like Oregon State playing perfect football and the Trojans playing like dogs, or the Furd with their dorky voodoo. We will have to be the better team to pull it out. USC is not going to sleep on us. They will hit us hard and we'll have to swing back.
TwistNHook: If it is not going to be a miracle for Cal to beat USC, why do you keep praying upon Danzig, the Patron Saint of Awesomeness? He will grant us a miracle this year!
Avinash: One of the most fearsome matchups will be USC's ridiculously experienced offensive line that should steady Aaron Corp's hand. Three seniors, one junior. I'd say they have a good chance to be as good as Cal 2007 in terms of pass protection.
The 3-4 gave them problems last year, but our best pass rusher is now gone. Not to mention the running back corps (Gable, Johnson and McKnight, along with Havili and his annoying fullback wheel route) all return a year older and stronger.
So where beating USC last season depending on scoring on their defense, this year it probably means stopping their offense. Which means taking apart the Trojan offensive line. What will be the key to beating USC's O-line?
TwistNHook: If we are sticking with the 3-4 this year, then it would seem to me that the key is our linebacker play. So, it is up to Young, Bishop, Kendricks, Holt, guys like that to make the key stop. It sounds like our DLine will have its hands full with their OLine!
But what about their D? Sounds as powerful as ever. Especially with All-Galaxy Taylor Mays making baby Jesus cry every Saturday. There are a few positions still up in the air. The LA Times has some info:
Nose tackle -- Sophomore Jurrell Casey and junior Christian Tupou are battling for the starting job, but both will play a lot. Senior Averell Spicer, who lost the starting job last season after committing two costly penalties in the loss at Oregon State, is atop the depth chart at the other tackle spot. Junior college transfer Hebron Fangupo could figure in at both positions.
Strong safety -- Sixth-year senior Josh Pinkard and fifth-year senior Will Harris will compete to start alongside All-American free safety Taylor Mays. The savvy Pinkard has started at safety and cornerback. Harris proved his value last season by playing very well in place of injured Kevin Ellison.
Avinash: The Trojan defense is not going to be as strong as it was last year. That was one of the greatest defenses ever to suit up on a college football field, and they would've gotten their due had they not tripped up in Beaver Land. They lost seven starters. You don't stay the same losing seven starters.
As good as U$C's OL may be, you can't help but wonder if perhaps it won't matter if Corp doesn't pan out. AT LEAST ONE U$C QB HAS TO SUCK, RIGHT?!?!?! RIGHT??? A bit more seriously now, Corp is what? A red-shirt sophomore with a total of 4 pass attempts in his career. I mean, this guy truly lacks experience. And despite being like the #1 rated QB or something a couple of years ago, and behind the Great Wall of China U$C offensive line, the dude still has to be able to make his reads and throws. Every great football program has some QB duds. Corp could be U$C's dud. You never know. Or he might light up the Pac-10 with a brightness unknown to Pac-10 defenses and win the Heisman or something in typical U$C fashion.
Btw, I totes found myself in Las Vegas not too long ago and I think I saw 100,000 people there wearing U$C gear and 2 people wearing Cal gear.
TwistNHook: How many people were wearing Washington State gear?
Well, now Corp is out for the next 1-2 weeks. Do you think that'll have any noticeable impact on this team or not really?
HydroTech: Probably not. Corp will be back before the seasons starts and he'll get reps with the first team prior to their first game. I see his injury having little impact on the team. If the team were a less talented team, I could definitely see a starting QB's injury having more of an impact. But when a team as talented as U$C loses their starting QB for a few weeks during fall camp, I don't see it impacting them that much.
Avinash: What would be the best strategy for Cal to expose USC this season?
TwistNHook: Are you getting paid by Big Bold per bolding or something? Why are you always bolding stuff???
Yellow Fever: Back to Corp for a second, I just wonder if this pushes up the timetable for Matt Barkley at all. Everyone's been saying how impressive he is, and his stated goal is to be the starter by the end of the year. So even if Corp's injury does linger for a while, it might not have the effect on the team as a whole that we think it will.
TwistNHook: Heres some more injury news on USC:
With all eyes on the USC quarterback race while starter Aaron Corp rests his ailing leg, the Trojans got more bad news at their scrimmage Monday night at the Coliseum. Southern Cal starting center Kristofer O'Dowd, the team's best offensive lineman, went down on the first drive and needed to be helped off the field.
Their best OLineman, Kris O'Dowd, went down in practice. For right now, not too much is known, but he had to be helped off the field. Of course, their backup is a senior, so they have depth. But we all know that the key to any team's success, including USC, is their OLine. So, keep an eye on how this turns out.
Anyway, Anybody else think the 2004 National Championship trophy falling from its perch is a delightful omen for USC disaster in the coming year? I can't the only one who thinks a glass object falling can affect hundreds and hundreds of plays over the course of months, right? Right??
Ragnarok: Well, superstition aside, I think there's very good reason to think that Cal can win this game. For one thing, the 2009 edition of the Bears will almost certainly be the best team USC has faced in Berkeley since about, oh, 1991. The 2004 and 2006 teams were both great, but both had to play the Trojans on the road. The last 3 teams to travel down to the Coliseum? A combined 29-9 record, 2 Holiday Bowl berths, and a share of a Pac-10 title. All three played USC close, but all three ultimately fell short. On the flip side, however, the last three Bears teams to face USC at home had a combined record of just 23-16, going on to win the slightly less-prestigious Insight, Las Vegas, and Armed Forces Bowls. Getting the Trojans at home without the handicap of either a) Joe Ayoob, or b) an injured Nate Longshore should portend great things for our Bears.
Yellow Fever: I'm just happy to find out that both Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel think college 40 times are a load of shit. It's reassuring to know that Taylor Mays is not, in fact, faster than Usain Bolt.
Avinash: Depending on how the Trojans perform against Ohio State, it wouldn't be that much of a shocker to see the Bears favored against USC assuming (and that's a BIG assumption) Cal starts the season 4-0. Even so, the line would be very close I expect. That opening season line makes me believe Vegas takes Cal very seriously this season.
TwistNHook: So, then, how do you see this ending up? Cal 17-14. Can I believe??
Ruh roh!
CRYSTAL FOOTBALL STRIKES AGAIN:
USC's first-team defensive end Armond Armstead broke a bone in his foot Thursday morning and will be out six weeks, according to the school.
Armstead, a talented 6-foot-5, 295-pound sophomore, will have surgery on Friday. He broke his fifth metatarsal (outer most bone) in his left foot when someone stepped on it during practice.
Yellow Fever: I'll be honest, I've never heard of this guy until now. But I guess that's not surprising since I can't name anyone on their defense except Taylor Mays, and they end up fielding a top five defense every year anyway. I assume they have another five star recruit lined up behind this guy on the depth chart anyway.
TwistNHook: Interestingly enough, the articles notes this:
Wes Horton and Nick Perry, both redshirt freshmen, will compete to replace Armstead, who had been playing very well since spring practices.
So, they have redshirt freshmen. Doesn't mean they weren't 5 star All-World recruits redshirt freshmen. But they are still redshirt freshmen.
HydroTech: USC has such a stockpile of talent that they can lose guys to injuries and still be very dominant. Unless we start getting reports that their entire first team offense and defense is getting injured, AND their second team offense and defense are getting injured, then perhaps I'll start getting optimistic.
One interesting question this year, is whether USC will continue their runningback by committee thing. Are they ever going to have a #1 guy? Or are they going to stick with running three different guys during the game? Ironically, despite many Cal fans saying Tedford should mimic whatever Pete Carrol does (because if Petey does it then that's the right way to do it and Tedford is an idiot for not doing like Petey), Cal fans haven't really been clamoring to adopt the whole runningback by committee approach.
Ragnarok: Well, Cal has done very well with its runningback tandems in the past, and frankly, it's the one position where there hasn't really been anything to complain about. USC does it their way, we do it ours, and it works for both of us.
If history is any guide, I expect this game to be a low-scoring, defensive struggle. Over the last 5 years or so, Cal's defense has (mostly) been able to stifle the Trojans' offense in a way few other teams have, holding them to 23, 35 (ayoob year), 23, 24, and 17 points. Other than 2005, every game was close, and every game was withing Cal's reach in the 4th quarter. Problem is, as good as Cal's defense has been, the Trojan's defense (combined with some offensive ineptitude on the Bears' part) has been better. Over those same five games, Cal scored 17, 10, 9, 17, and 3 points. 3! I really think the key to this game will be whether Cal can finally muster 20+ points vs. a green (but still very talented) Trojan defense.
Avinash: I don't make many predictions. I will today. Cal is going to beat USC.
Yellow Fever: I don't think there's much doubt that the key to the game is going to be whether Riley can muster up enough of a passing game to let Best average at least two yards a carry. But then, that's basically the case for the whole season, isn't it?
I do think USC is more vulnerable this year than they have been in a while. Between losing eight of eleven defensive starters and breaking in a new QB, and with Cal having the consensus best RB in the country, it's tough not to point to this game as one that Cal should win. Then again, the QB train over at USC never seems to stop, so I'm still not going to get my hopes up.
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i dont’ think i’ll ever have confidence that cal will beat anyone. well wsu. and san jose state. i really don’t know. too many defeats snatched from the brink of victory over the last 18 years for me.
CAL will WIN
Why? Because Aaron Corp broke a legbone and Matt Barkley is going to fall flat on his face in Memorial Stadium.
Chew on this. Last year, Pete Carroll expected to have his #1 QB come back. Sanchez is gone. Now, his next #1 QB broke his leg. He now has to rely on a true freshman quarterback to lead his team to a National Championship or Rose Bowl (because everything else is a failure). There is no way Barkley will be as good as advertised. Why?
He had 18 Interceptions his Senior season. He committed to USC as a Junior. Largely, his interceptions have been attributed to bad receivers. Having taking all the first team reps, he has been playing poorly in practice and scrimmages recently. However, again, his poor play has been overlooked and excused because…“He just looks so good! He just carries himself so well!” All USC quarterbacks are good right? right? Well, you know, all good things must come to an end. Nothing lasts forever. Look at the good teams in the 80s and 90s. They are terrible now. The tide has turned. We will win this year against USC and we will win the Pac-10.
Also, Iast thing. When asked about his most recent “unimpressive” play in a scrimmage, Barkley had this to say. “I think I made a lot of progress minus a play or so,” Barkley said. “I felt really calm out there. There were a couple dropped balls and a couple bad passes (but) we’re an inch from being great.”
I’m glad you’re calm. USC fans shouldn’t be. This guy hasn’t played a down in college football yet and he’s already an inch from being great. Yeah…
I’m not so sure about quarterbacking for USC being the big weakness. Booty and Sanchez both came in pretty green and didn’t miss a beat.
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Agreed...
That is a pretty solid O line even with O’Dowd out and he will be back. They will give the kid(s) time in the pocket.
Like the stock market, let's not look at past history to predict future results.
Otherwise, Cal will never win a Rose Bowl and USC will never lose.
The difference is that Booty and Sanchez were both next on the depth chart and have redshirted and learned the offense after a few years of backup and study.
Here comes this young hot-head with a million accolades coming in and having the job delievered to him after Sanchez leaves prematurely (in Carrol’s eyes) and Corp getting injured. It’s not his time, and if they try to fit a round peg into a square hole, it’s not going to be pretty this time around.
by DavidsonBear on Aug 24, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Hm..
QB 1 that is desperately and ill-advisably trying to get back into practice to renew a competition after cracking a bone in his leg last week….or QB 2 true freshman 18 yr old baby faced Barkley (note, not even Vince Young, T Prior or T Tebow were that good as freshman)…I’ll take…neither.
by DavidsonBear on Aug 24, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sold on the Trojans this year
Too much turnover both on the depth chart and in the coaching staff. This is a program that has been in slow but steady decline since their last national championship, and you could see Pete’s frustration this spring when he lost both coordinators and his QB. When your best player is a safety, no matter how talented he might be, you’re in trouble.
If Cal develops a passing game and the new linebackers gel, then the Bears will win by at least 10 points. And the biggest hurdles to a conference championship will be the two Oregon schools. Also, the road game at UCLA might be an even stiffer challenge than home vs. the Trojans.
I’m not yet ready to predict a BCS date for the Bears, but I am willing to predict a December bowl game for the Trojans.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Aug 24, 2009 9:07 AM PDT reply actions
Another Worry
I’m also worried, that we beat SC, and the media completely overhypes the event, claiming USC is: finished, in decline, Carroll has lost his mojo (everything we heard after the Oregon St loss). But, as the season continues, USC again begins steamrolling people, and we lose one or two tough games (or we lost to Oregon), and suddenly the story changes to Cal choking, and USC being invincible.
We forget how "new" USC's success was in 2003
Yeah, they had a heritage of winning at USC but they had just been through one of their worst stretches in history when Carroll took over. USC at #3 when the Bears beat them… that was the first time they had been #3 since 1998. They hadn’t even won the Pac-10 in 2002, for crying out loud!?!
This wasn’t a team that finished in the top-5 as long as anyone could remember. It was also a Cal Bear team with nothing but upside that hadn’t yet had any letdowns under Tedford. It’s important to remember that big difference in what this year’s Bears will be up against, mentally anyway, compared to that 2003 team.
Not saying the Bears can’t win, I’m optimistic, but it’s a whole different world than 2003.
Oops, I mean 1988
I can’t even type how long it had been since they had been #3 without making a mistake!
Man I get nervous just reading this article.
If both teams are undefeated going into this game, could it be the biggest game at Memorial ever?
As my answer always tends to be for these debates, I think Cal could win with a couple SC turnovers and good execution. With a much more experienced offense returning and an amazing D, I really like our chances. Really like them.
That said, Dorky Voodoo and the Patron Saints of Awesomeness would make a great name for a rock band
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If both teams are undefeated, this, yes, it would be the biggest game EVER at Memorial stadium. Gameday would also be guaranteed to be there. But this would also mean that CAL beat Maryland, Minnesota and Oregon (in Eugene) and USC beating Ohio St. (in the horsepoo). The chances of that happening is probably less than 20%. But possible.
by DavidsonBear on Aug 24, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I think USC > OSU has a better chance of happening than Cal over Oregon again.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Aug 24, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes...
When I first saw the schedule, I thought CAL at Oregon with USC looming the next week would be the toughest game of the season. I still do.
However, we will know much more when we get to see Oregon at Boise St. to kickoff the college football season.
by DavidsonBear on Aug 24, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
True…
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Aug 24, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we call James Bethea?
I just want someone to give this guy a ring, and have him stop by the locker room before kickoff.
That speech made me think I could beat U$C, single handedly!
That being said, of course beating U$C is within in reach this year. But we have a whole lot on our plate before we can even think about being undefeated for that game!!!
Go Bears, let’s beat the Terps (eagles?, gophers, and ducks) before popping the Trojans!!!
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Amen indeed
….great post and discussion… Would simply like to add that so much of the analysis seemed to focus on the benefit/impact of SC injuries…as this whole thing is so freaking fragile in any case, I can’t help but being concerned about the karmic load…so I’ll simply wish SC the best of health in their way to a crushing and humiliating defeat on Oct. 3
by TKE Prytanis 79 on Aug 24, 2009 6:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
*two swigs of the cal koolaid*
I’m back on the hooch, i voted big win! whooo gooo go bears!
Go Bears Go
Beat $c!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cal can beat $c. Aside from beavers, Cal has played the trOJans tough in the Carroll era. Those videos give me chills. My dad had an extra ticket for the 03 game and I chose to go to a low scoring bruin game instead. When the announcer gave the final score at the rosebowl, the crowd went nuts. Still kicking myself! An $c loss is always reason for a huge celebration. Those arrogant jerks came out before the game and claimed Memorial Stadium was their territory, got Cal locker room fired up. I remember going crazy in straweberry canyon when Cal beat the cheaters in late 70s.
Do the pac proud and knock these chumps off.
This game is going to come down to one thing: points.
The team that scores the most points will definitely win.
Right now, I don’t know what to think. Every year, it seems like SC might be vulnerable. They play teams like Udub close and we start strong, but for the last five years they’ve played us tough.
One thing I do like is playing them earlier in the season when their offense might still be jelling. What’s SC’s record in November under Pete Carroll, 1,230,902 – 0?

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