Your CGB Preseason Top-25 Poll!
by royrules22 on Aug 20, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
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I'm starting up the inaugural CGB Top-25 and now is the time to vote for your pre-season Top-25 teams!
To do so simply click here. Be sure to provide your CGB username (if you're a lurker, sign up!).
More info after the jump...
Right now this is still being worked on so I'd appreciate any and all feedback you can provide me. For example, is this easy to use? And what kind of data would you like with the results (i.e. stuff like which user is the biggest homer, how different are we from the AP Poll, etc).
The plan is to open up for voting during the season on Sundays and Mondays and the result will be posted on Tuesday.
Oh and sorry ragnarok/Avi for jumping the gun and posting this. There's not much time left before season starts.
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First of all: nice app!
One question though, do you have any measures to prevent people from voting multiple times?
Not right now, but I’m storing all the usernames so I can always manually check if someone voted twice and just accept the last vote.
That is if they use the same username.
Since this is the pre-season this just a beta test. But for the real one I’m going to use cookies and other ways (IP) to prevent people for voting more than once.
In other words, Go Bears!
Great idea with a well implemented poll
This will be a great feature this season.
One question: do you want us to vote on this as a predicted finish or a power ranking? For my first ballot, I voted as a power ranking.
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
You should insert a poll into this fanpost asking whether we should do power or predicted finish.
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
by Berkelium97 on Aug 20, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted for predicted finish
Because everyone’s coming in with a clean slate, I’m not sure that a power ranking in the most conventional sense of the word is possible. Or that, in a preseason poll, there’s no real distinction between the two.
I think we're talking about regular season ballots
Do whatever you want for this pre-season because pre-season sucks anyway
In other words, Go Bears!
I don’t like the setup, I don’t like that teams are already in place, that’s going to create a natural bias towards the coaching rankings (which we all know are biased to begin with). I would rather see something more along ESPN’s lines where you have to put the teams in place yourself, and maybe you can provide the coach’s rankings (and include all teams that got votes but didn’t make the top 25, finding good teams out of the dropdown list of the every school is too difficult/time consuming) to the side or something.
I thought of that but people get lazy. I wanted to make this easier on people.
But your suggestion is valid. Let me think of a way to combine both approaches? Perhaps provide an option?
What do others think?
In other words, Go Bears!
Also, I think the top 1AA teams should be included. They are eligible for top 25 votes now, aren’t they?
by Missing Barry on Aug 20, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not, if they’re eligible for votes in the real poll, why can’t they be eligible for us? Washington State is an option, but I can’t vote for a powerhouse 1-AA that would stomp Washington State? Ridiculous!
by Missing Barry on Aug 20, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Possibly extend to 30 – 35 teams and only include the top 25 when published…
If your voting for folks outside of the relative top 35, your probably being a homer about it…
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by CruzinBears on Aug 21, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Well the way it works is that since the default poll is from the previous week, on the drop down list the teams are ordered by the number of votes the received with the first choice being the team that just got kicked out by you, followed by #26, then #27 and so on. So that basically means most people only have to bother looking down a couple of spots to find the team to move up.
Right now it doesn’t look much like it because it’s preseason and there’s not much I can do to order the “others receiving votes” part :p
In other words, Go Bears!
Saw that, thanks for the heads up, I’ve resubmitted now… I think that way will work just fine, I just hadn’t tried clicking on the red X yet…
Texas, get the hell out of my Top 25!!!
Not until Mack Brown-nose give me a call personally will I consider them…
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by CruzinBears on Aug 21, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
“your probably being a homer about it…”
And the point is? Yes, I have full intentions of casting a vote for my school #1 if I can get royrules to include FCS teams… :)
by Missing Barry on Aug 21, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
My school played Duke. We shut them out.
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
See now that you admitted that I’m much less likely to allow it because of people voting up their schools to #1 which will ruin the polls. I want this to be an authentic representation of what the CGB thinks are the top-25 teams at this point. Not what you wish it were.
In other words, Go Bears!
Ha I dunno why it would ruin anything. My one vote won’t put them in the Top 25 I imagine, and all it does is shift all the other schools back 1 spot in my poll – so relatively speaking, nothing changes…
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
We should use this algorithm in the future for DBDs
Top 25 mascots. Top 25 blondes. Bottom 25 teams. 25 best looking CGB commenters. 25 best red light districts. The possibilities are endless.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 20, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
I dunno if you're serious...
… but it can be done. It’s not that easy to just set up a poll but I can make it easy enough that anyone could do it. Email me with more info if you are serious.
In other words, Go Bears!
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Why waste a DBD when the answer is so obvious?
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by rollonubears on Aug 20, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Small sample size but I’m kinda surprised at how everyone is ranking Cal consistently around the same few spots
In other words, Go Bears!
Its too early to tell, really. So I think we’re going off of the external polls and our own gut feel which, I think most of us have pretty similar attitudes and expectations.
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by dballisloose on Aug 20, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. I voted a lot based on conference biases (which led to VT being out of my top 10).
It will get a LOT easier as the season goes on.
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by rollonubears on Aug 20, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
In that case, I hope you removed LSU and Alabama from the poll completely like I did….
From more of an objective standpoint (since I am blatantly and unapologetically biased against the SEC), I just don’t see the love LSU and Alabama are getting. Did no one else see ’Bama get pushed around by Utah? Not to mention they lost Andre Smith, their QB, their RB…even if their D is respectable where is the offense going to come from? As for LSU, they lost 5 games last year, getting demolished by the only decent to good teams they played* (Florida, Ole Miss, Georgia), barely beat fake USC, lost to Arkansas…basically, of their 8 wins, 7 of them were against the following opponents: North Texas, Troy, Appalachian State, Auburn, Miss St, Tulane and South Carolina. Top 10 team? Really?
*I lied, they didn’t actually get blown out by Alabama, who while I don’t think is nearly as good as most, was at least a decent team. They did blow Georgia Tech out in the bowl, so that was good, but the only decent win on their resume.
by Missing Barry on Aug 20, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Weren’t they trailing big at halftime to Troy?
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by rollonubears on Aug 20, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
even if their D is respectable where is the offense going to come from?
I don’t follow Alabama enough to know if the young guys are ready to contribute, but any team that wins 2 straight ‘mythical recruiting national championships’ probably has some options
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And as we’ve found out the hard way, any team with no QB doesn’t have much of an offense…
Obviously it’s plausible they develop some, I just see a lot of weaknesses on a team that wasn’t a great offense to begin with, and wasn’t nearly as good overall as their SEC schedule (in other words, weak schedule) made them out to be.
by Missing Barry on Aug 20, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Andre Smith will be a big loss, but left tackle matters far more for pass blocking than run blocking. ’Bama is bringing in Trent Richardson who is supposed to be every bit the RB that Glen Coffee was, and Mark Ingram will be picking up the slack while Richardson acclimates.
To speak on Bama’s schedule for a second, I honestly don’t know how they’ll do against VaTech in the opener. When Darren Evans still had a working ACL, I’d have laid my money on the Hokies, but nothing Tyrod Taylor’s ever done has indicated he can carry a team to victory. On the other hand, the Hokies have a mean defense, better even than Alabama’s I’d say, and they’ll do a pretty good job creating turnovers off of McElroy’s mistakes. One thing for certain, VT will not be the creampuff that Clemson turned out to be last year.
Alabama’s schedule could go either way. VaTech, Arkansas, @Mississippi, Tennessee, and LSU are all games they could lose…or win. Saban’s never had back-to-back 10 win seasons, so my bet is on at least 3 of those games ending up in the L column.
“left tackle matters far more for pass blocking than run blocking”
Normally, not when that LT is Andre Smith though.
I am happy to see ‘Bama playing VTech. That should give us some real indication of what kind of team they are. I respect that they played Clemson last year, can’t fault them for Clemson sucking, it’s just one of those unfortunate events where they tried to get a good matchup and the other side failed to live up to the hype…
by Missing Barry on Aug 21, 2009 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions
And as we’ve found out the hard way, any team with no QB doesn’t have much of an offense…
They didn’t have a quarterback last year either. Their strategy is essentially unchanged; smack around opposing offenses and run-block opposing defenses into goo. It’s ugly, but it works when you’re not playing Florida or getting into a 21 point hole against Utah in the first quarter.
Not that I’m pro-Bama, but I’m not at all impressed that Saban’s offense will be dramatically different in Year 3.
That’s what she said!
Did I win the poll?
by CalBandGreat on Aug 20, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I still want FCS teams! I will not stop lobbying until I get it! Here. All I ask is the top 5 or 10 or something. The best of the FCS is better than a lot of the weaker FBS teams, including the weak teams from BCS conferences.
They ARE a lot better than the weaker I-A teams, but that doesn’t mean they’re worthy of being in the Top 25.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
I’m not saying they are, all I’m asking is for equality in eligibility. If other teams that aren’t worthy either are eligible, why not 1-AA?!
by Missing Barry on Aug 21, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Because it’s more work for royrules22?
Seriously, I don’t have a problem with your request; it’s just that RR is doing all this work for us in his spare time, so it’s really more of a matter of him spending the time on this change, which will have little to no effect on the outcome of the poll. i’ll leave the decision to him.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
It is work because I have to dredge through the hundreds of 1-AA teams and add them to the database. But that’s not the biggest problem.
The problem comes with the drop-down box that pops up in pos #25 whenever a team is kicked out of the poll. Already it has 95 choices. Adding even the top FCS teams will make it unwieldy. Especially as seeing that 99% of the people won’t vote for them, even if Charleston St (or whatever) destroys Florida.
If I can think of a better way to present the choices, then I’ll do it.
But answer me this. Are you going to vote for a FCS team now? If yes, I’ll add that team. If no, give me time to think.
In other words, Go Bears!
In all fairness, I did at least provide a link to the FCS polls/rankings with the request to add the top 5 or 10 or something somewhere else (either in this thread or the other top 25 thread). I definitely would never expect all, or even a lot, of FCS teams.
by Missing Barry on Aug 21, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Are there hardcore followers of the lower divisions of college football (except for those that attend a powerhouse at those lower levels)?
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by rollonubears on Aug 21, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, no. I attended a powerhouse at the lower levels, and I’m the only one that’s made the request…
by Missing Barry on Aug 21, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
How was Applachian State when you were there? I’ve had several friends attend in recent years and have heard mixed results.
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I heard during the recent back to back (to back?) championships, they were kind of a big deal locally.
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by rollonubears on Aug 22, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Good guess, but nope, didn’t go to App State. @rollonubears – App State is out in western North Carolina, there’s really nothing else around, so it’s a huge deal. They get huge crowds that are on the level of some BCS programs. I haven’t seen any other FCS school that even gets 1/3 of their support. It works out well for them since the FCS playoff system is based on a bidding system to determine home field advantage, so nobody can match their resources and they always get home games. That said, we still went in to their house and stomped them.
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
One of my best friends
went to James Madison (which has a bunch of top 5 I-AA finishes, including a recent championship (06?) – but beyond checking the results once a week during the second half of the season and watching two playoff games, he didn’t really care.
And he’s a big football fan. Didn’t even buy a nat’l championship t-shirt.
JMU also has a lot of better things going on than FCS football…
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes it does apparently
He feels it was a big waste though, since he spent 4 years in college hanging out with Korean Born-Agains and not getting laid.
He’s an atheist now, so he really feels aggrevied.
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Question requiring your – or anyone else – technical expertise.
I’m finishing up a fanpost of my own right now and I’d like to have the supporting data be available to those who wish to view it, yet also not occupy a significant amount of “vertical” space for those who don’t care to peruse it.
My first thought was to embed it in such a way that the zoom/size of the tables increase after clicking upon the table. How would I go about doing this, or do you know of a better way to do it?
If you are posting the data on these forums then I can’t think of a way to do that cleanly because that requires Javascript.
However what you can do is either enter the statistics onto an online spreadsheet or word processor such as Google Docs, publish it and post a link to it to your fanpost OR do as I did and put all the statistics onto Excel, take a screenshot, and post the screenshot onto your fanpost (see example in this post - scroll all the way down). This way if someone wanted to see a more detailed view they can click the image to see it in it’s full glory.
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