Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Knicks Beat Lakers With Familiar Strategy

College Football Reorganization II : The Bottom 40

My proposed total reorganization of college football generated a fair amount of criticism last February, much of it justified.  I fully admit that the plan was neither realistic nor perfect, that it was more of a starting point than a final solution.  However, what surprised me was the distribution of the criticism leveled against the plan.

Almost no one focused on how unworkable the plan was, or how the conferences as currently composed had good reasons beyond inertia or convenience of travel for their current associations.  Many of the complaints were of the narrow, "I hate what this does to my team" sort, completely ignoring the merits of the plan as a whole.  The most common complaints focused on the "have-nots" of college football, the non-BCS schools whose primary role was to be September fodder for the Ohio States and the LSUs of the world, then relegated to Wednesday Night Football on ESPN2 and forgotten by 95% of college football fans.  Some wanted these teams kept in the MAC and the Sun Belt, "where they belonged."  Some didn't care what was done with them, as long as their school's proposed conference wasn't full of those bottom-feeders with no chance at ever competing.  But the most common (and radical) solution was to simply get rid of these teams altogether, relegating them down to Division I-AA or wherever would have them (I got the sense no one would care if they all ended up in an Australian-rules football league).

I was actually surprised by how many people, commenting on different sites, seemingly independently came up with the same solution:  form 8 10-team leagues, each conference holding a 9-game round-robin to determine a champion, and then run an 8-team, 3-round playoff with those league champions to determine, once-and-for-all, a "true" college football national champion.  I was actually working on just such a proposal when RollOnYouBears667 beat me to the punch with this FanPost.  It's actually a surprisingly neat, nifty solution to many of the problems of the current setup, assuming you ignore the one tiny, inconsequential little detail:  how do you pick the 40 teams that get left out?  Who decides, and by what criteria?  As it turns out, this question is a lot thornier than you might initially guess.

Ncf_g_southernmiss_412_medium

If you're going to re-org major college football, how can you leave these guys out?  -  Image via assets.espn.go.com

Star-divide

My first thought was to sort teams by all-time wins, and simply eliminate the losingest 40.  The Top 10 sure look about right:  Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Tennessee, USC.  But after the Top 20, you get some "undesireable" results.  Miami (OH) places 23rd, and both Army and Navy are in the Top 30 (as is Cal, actually).  OK, that's not so bad.  But Central Michigan is in the Top 50, and the Top 80 also includes "have-nots" like Western Michigan, Louisiana Tech, Ohio, Akron, Wyoming, and Utah State.  In fact, with the cutoff at the Top 80, one must choose #80 between Florida State and Texas Tech, with recent BCS participants Kansas State, Louisville, Wake Forest and Boise State all left out in the cold.

OK, so all-time wins may not be the best measure of success, as Florida State is clearly a better program than Utah State, but unfortunately hasn't been playing football for nearly as many years.  What about winning percentage?  OK, this shoots Boise State straight to #1, but otherwise the top of the list looks pretty much like you'd expect.  I don't think anyone would mind keeping non-BCS schools like Fresno State and Southern Miss (both Top 30), though finding both Army and Minnesota in the Top 40 was a bit surprising.  Once again, however, the cutoff isn't as smooth as one would like, with the Top 80 including currently hapless programs like North Texas and San Diego State, while eliminating Top 25 teams like Oregon State, Oklahoma State and Cincinnati.

Yeah, but football was a lot different in 1869, or 1904, or even 1954.  What if we limited our scope to games played since 1992, the first year of the Bowl Coalition?  Again, the list is pretty good, but a couple teams that are nobody's idea of a powerhouse both crack the Top 25 (Toledo and Marshall), while recent Rose Bowl participants Stanford and Illinois both get left out.  At this point, I don't think I'm going to find an automatically generated list based on simple criteria that comes close to satisfying people.

And perhaps that's the point.  Schools change, and the fortunes of their football programs rise and fall through the decades.  Sometimes schools drop football programs entirely, while others decide to start up new ones.  Ohio State will probably be pretty good ten years from now, while Louisiana-Lafayette will probably not be.  Syracuse?  I have no idea.  And if you asked me to project 30 years into the future, or 50?  I'd start flipping coins, 'cause things change *that* much.

As a small example, let's go back to 1950.  Why 1950?  Besides being a conveniently round number, it's also the year that Joe Paterno joined the coaching staff of Penn State.  The time between then and now could reasonably be considered a "football lifetime".  In 1950:
- Florida State played only its 4th season of football ever, having just converted from an all-girls school in 1947.
- Boise State was still a junior college.
- The Ivy League was still relevant in football, its members having eliminated football scholarships only 5 years before.  Princeton finished the 1950 season a perfect 9-0.
- Army was still relevant on the national scene as well, going 8-1.  Other schools that finished major college football with only 1 loss that year:  Fordham (now a Division I-AA school), West Texas A&M (now a Division II school), and Loyola-Los Angeles (hasn't played football since 1973).
- Current Division I-A schools Air Force, UAB, South Florida, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, and Central Florida didn't even exist in 1950, let alone field football teams.

061220_paterno_vmed_7p

A lot has changed since 1950, but not the presence of Joe Paterno on the Nittany Lions' sideline.  -  Image via nbcsportsmedia3.msnbc.com

As you can see, college football has a long history of change.  Heck, it's only been since 1978 that Division I Football has been split into I-A and I-AA, and even in that short time, 4 of the 18 schools to have won Division I-AA National Championships have made their way up into Division I-A (Boise State, Louisiana-Monroe, Marshall and Western Kentucky).  Though I can't find any instances of a school dropping down to I-AA from I-A, I know that a number of schools have considered it, including Rice, New Mexico State, and Wyoming (caution: PDF) (these schools generally find themselves addicted to the money and exposure that Division I-A membership brings, regardless of the moribund state of their football programs).

If ever there were an example of how quickly these things can turn around, consider the (mostly forgettable) history of Rutgers.  The Scarlet Knights invented football back in 1869, and promptly beat Princeton 6-4.  Until recently, this was the high point of their program.  Princeton won the rematch a week later 8-0, and Rutgers spent the next 135 years or so being mostly terrible at the game it sired.  As recently as 2003, fans and alumni were contemplating moving down in this thread hilariously lacking in foresight:

Should Rutgers drop to I-AA?

In light of the impending breakup of the Big East, I would argue that it is time for Rutgers to consider dropping down to Division I-AA and requesting membership in the Patriot League.

      I suggest this move for three reasons:

      1. The breakup of the Big East leaves Rutgers without an obvious conference home in Division I-A, and Rutgers lacks the program strength and fan support they would need to be a successful independent.

      2. Rutgers has had no success in football since Division I-A began.

      Since 1978, Rutgers has gotten six wins against I-A opponents in a season only three times (1984, 1987, 1992), and has never gotten more than six I-A wins in a season.

      In the 25 seasons Rutgers has played since 1978, the Scarlet Knights have beaten I-A teams with winning records a total of 13 times; or, once every two seasons. Four of those wins came in one year (1984), and only one has happened in the last eight seasons

      3. Most of Rutgers' traditional rivals are in I-AA or lower.

      The three teams Rutgers has played 70 times or more (Lehigh, Lafayette, and Princeton) are all in I-AA. Lehigh and Lafayette both play in the Patriot League.

      Of the four teams that Rutgers has played between 40 and 69 times, two (Columbia and Colgate) are in I-AA and two (NYU and Stevens Tech) no longer compete in football.

      Only in the third rank of traditional rivals -- Syracuse (32), Temple (31), and Army (31) -- do we see Division I-A opponents, but the latter two of those teams should probably also drop to Division I-AA.

      I can think of no good reason for Rutgers to continue to attempt to compete in Division I-A. The Scarlet Knights' last great season was in 1976, and they will never have another one at this level. The school would be a good fit in the Patriot League, and would probably be welcomed with open arms. Returning to a natural level of competition (and playing familiar foes, and winning more often) would probably also make Rutgers football a more attractive ticket for alumni and local fans.

Though not everyone agreed with the poster, no one shot down his proposal as the least bit ludicrous.  And why should they?  Rutgers had won just three games in the previous two seasons, and showed basically no signs of improvement.  Many of their losses were of the embarrassingly lopsided variety, and their prospects for being able to compete at college football's highest level in the near future were bleak.  However, the Scarlet Knights would climb back towards mediocrity with a five-win season that fall, and then, in 2006, break out with an 11-win season, capped by the school's first-ever bowl game victory.  National attention, television broadcasts, and rankings would follow, and today, one would be laughed out of the conversation if they merely suggested leaving Rutgers on the outside of college football's Elite Eighty.

Celeb2_medium

"The Scarlet Knights' last great season was in 1976, and they will never have another one at this level."  -  Image via www.scarletknights.com

And really, college football's fluidity lends support to the NCAA's current "hands-off" classification system.  The NCAA merely sets minimum standards that a program must meet to attain each classification level, and leaves to each program the decision of what classification best fits the resources available to it and the responsibility of meeting the associated requirements.  Rather than legislating from on high each school's place in the college football pantheon, the NCAA allows each program a degree of "self-determinism" that strikes me as particularly essential to the American Spirit.

So, after proposing my radical realignment of college football, why am I spending a whole post dumping on how unworkable all of these plans are?  Well, I do realize that all of these ideas are just an amusing fantasy for football-obsessed fans, but I still would like to keep this discussion grounded somewhat in reality.  And the reality is that the circumstances and fortunes of America's universities and the football teams that they sponsor do change, sometimes quite rapidly, and whatever structure that college football takes on in the future will have to account for this fluidity.  Limiting the number of teams that can compete for a national championship may allow for attractive possibilities in promoting a playoff, but such a reckless exclusion of college football's "have-nots" may end up being even more unfair than the current BCS system which it would deign to replace.

Oh, of course, we're trying to create a system that's more fair, right?

Comment 18 comments  |  3 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Promotion/relegation

Great post, brings up some interesting questions.

The solution to the problem in picking 80 teams is a promotion/relegation system like they use in English football. You can use arbitrary criteria to decide the initial 80 (record over last 5 seasons, or 9 seasons, or whatever) and then have the top 8 teams in I-AA replace the bottom 8 teams in I-A each year. There are various logistical and geographic issues you’d have to address, and it could play havoc with traditional rivalries, but there are ways around that (for example, have 8 10-team leagues in both I-A and II-A, and have the II-A league champions replace the worst teams in each I-A league).

Of course, nobody would ever go for this.

by HolmoePhobe on Aug 16, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, promotion/relegation is the way around this problem, and it’s also the subject of the next post in this series (I’ve been planning this for a while, but ESPN beat me to the punch a couple weeks ago). Of course (as you mentioned), it has its own set of problems.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Aug 16, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another path would be to pick something like all time or modern era win pctg. and then create several exemptions. Possible exemptions would include a BCS Bowl appearance, conference championships within the last 10 years, several bowl victories and appearances within a defined period (e.g. three appearances and at least one victory within last five years), and so on and so forth. This way tradition could be honored while giving relevance its due.

More complicated to be sure, but perhaps ultimately more inclusive and accommodating of non-traditional programs.

by Nashville on Aug 16, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I frankly don’t see the relevance of all-time win percentage. As a matter of fact, I think that perceptions of programs based on how good they were 10 or 20 years ago are one of the reasons the rankings tend to be so fucked up. Having said that, your suggestion would probably go over better with the CFB establishment.

by HolmoePhobe on Aug 17, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't this just increase the gulf between the big-money schools and the rest?

It’s already big enough, but… low-ranked schools wouldn’t even be able to guarantee their recruits four years in 1-A. On top of that, the difference in revenue for top-tier and second-tier programs would border on the kind of yawning chasm currently on display in the English soccer system. (Think about how many 1-A games you watched last year. Then think about how many 1-AA games you watched. Then think about the ratio, which is “infinity” for most people…)

I suppose you could solve that problem by equalizing revenue between the 20 teams in each “mega-league”, but then you’ll get revolts from the big schools that don’t want to donate their winnings to second-division schools.

Relegation is a great system in theory, but actually implementing it presents all kinds of intractable problems in practice.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 16, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Think about how many 1-A games you watched last year. Then think about how many 1-AA games you watched. Then think about the ratio, which is "infinity" for most people…”

Some of us do watch 1-AA football, thanks (especially since my school won a 1-AA national championship somewhat recently)…

Yeah, I win, suck it Cal alumni. :)

by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you; I don’t think it’s necessary a practical system, but I think it would be the only way of creating an 80 team league that accurately reflected which the top 80 teams were at any given time.

by HolmoePhobe on Aug 17, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

The best part is that Cal keeps making the cutoffs when different criteria are used. Even in ESPN’s version we fared pretty well.

by YleeXOtee on Aug 16, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

rev’d

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Aug 17, 2009 7:50 AM PDT reply actions  

At the very least

I think we can leave out New Mexico State. If you have to beg fans to bring snacks for your players under any circumstances, you’re not a big time program.

Team Speed Kills
SBNation's SEC Blog

by Year2 on Aug 17, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

What does the F in your avatar stand for?

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Aug 17, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess Florida.

But it could be Flapjacks. Or Fuddruckers. Or Frittatas.

by HolmoePhobe on Aug 17, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a University of Florida F. It doesn’t get used in merchandise and branding much, but it is used for the logo on the middle of the football field.

Team Speed Kills
SBNation's SEC Blog

by Year2 on Aug 17, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are the Gators running the table this year?

Contact me: bearsnecessities@gmail.com

by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 17, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you seen their schedule? They could cakewalk through that joke.

SEC schedule – UT, Kentucky, LSU (they lost 5 games last year, why exactly are they ranked top 10 preseason? Just another example of the overrated SEC), Arkansas, Mississippi St, Georgia, Vanderbilt, South Carolina….so much for the “brutal” SEC.

OOC – Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International, Florida St

by Missing Barry on Aug 18, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Charleston Southern? Troy? Florida International? Wow. Just, wow.

ALL HAIL SUPREME LEADER AVINASH!

www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com

by TwistNHook on Aug 18, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Florida St will at least be a respectable game, they did go 9-4 last year, we’ll see…

Overall, that’s a weak schedule, but will be touted by “analysts” for having to play the rigors of an SEC schedule. I’d much rather play LSU, Georgia and….whoever you determine to be the third best SEC team on that schedule than Cal, Oregon and Oregon St, that’s for sure.

by Missing Barry on Aug 18, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Before bowl season, probably. Anything can happen in one game though.

Team Speed Kills
SBNation's SEC Blog

by Year2 on Aug 18, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

The California Sports Website that's .....different from all the rest.

GoldenBlogs' FAQ and Community Guidelines

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Avatar700_small
DBD 2.1.12: Memorial Stadium=Happiness

Recent FanPosts

20955_937378249336_2535124_52060718_7603102_n_small
New/Old Traditions for the New/Old Memorial...
Ajoceywcalhatpic_small
DBD 2/10/12: The Day the Interwebz Broke
47081_1264898881265_1793562355_517598_1551191_s_small
Harper/Jorge Giant Cut-Out Heads
Ab_small
DBD 2.9.12 The CGB Cocktail Party
Avinash4_small
DBD 2.8.12 An Important Question
Snoopy1_small
DBD 2.7.2012 Puppies!
Boosmall_small
DBD 2/6/2012: Highlights from Yesterday's Game
Ab_small
DBD 2.3.12 Thank you, DBD!
Cstcst3644_small
DBD 2.2.12 I Am A DBD Originalist

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

More great SB Nation Blogs

Pac-12 On SBN

Pacific Takes (Pac-12)

Pacifictakes-165x74_medium

NORTH

AddictedToQuack: (Oregon)

UW Dawg Pound: (Washington)

CougCenter: (Washington State)

BuildingTheDam: (Oregon State)

Rule Of Tree: (Stanford)

CaliforniaGoldenBlogs: (Cal)

 

SOUTH

BruinsNation: (UCLA)

ConquestChronicles: (USC)

HouseOfSparky: (ASU)

Arizona Desert Swarm: (Arizona)

TheRalphieReport: (Colorado)

Block U: (Utah)


Marshawnthusiasts!

Bear_small ragnarok

Script_cal_small HydroTech

Cal_football_2005_09_16_roll_07_012_small CBKWit

Cstcst3644_small TwistNHook

1262541127_small yellow fever

Avinash4_small Avinash Kunnath

Jahvidtician

Bear__small norcalnick

Monty_in_cal_gear_small Ohio Bear

Giorgiorope_small Berkelium97

Ajoceywcalhatpic_small Kodiak

Mbc_small ManBearCal

Members Of The Follettariat

Sofele20squarecal_stanford2011_small solarise

Rugby_split_small RugbyVet

The Hit Squad

1129748640_small LeonPowe

Atom_small atomsareenough

Basketball_desktop_small CALumbus Bear

Humpty_dance_1_small Cugel