CGB Supreme Court - RULING
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You've waited nervously in the hallway while the Justices deliberate. And, finally, they have it. The one. The only. The California Golden Blogs Supreme Court ruling.
But have you briefed yourself on all the issues? If not, read the Team Briefs first. Remember, the question is "What Team Is More Successful: 2004 or 2006?"
You heard from Team 2004 here. You heard from Team 2006 here. Now you get to hear from the Arbiters Of Truth, the Apostles Of Facts, the Justices Of Justicing, the California Golden Blogs Supreme Court. We have a majority opinion from Chief Justice HydroTech. We have a dissenting opinion authored by Self-Appointed Chief Justice CALumbus Bear. Find out more after the link.
Chief Justice HydroTech, for the majority, Justices NorCalNick, Spazzy McGee, rollonubears, Fire Starkey, OakTownMario:
1. In a matter of first impression, the California Golden Blogs Supreme Court has been asked to decide which football team is the greater team between the 2004 Cal Football team and the 2006 Cal Football team. This issue has been hotly debated from the mighty CGB North Circuit Court, to the very lowest laymen Cal fans on internet chatboards accessing the internet from their mother's basement. Despite the extreme controversy, the learned brethren before those of us on this heralded and current California Golden Blogs Supreme Court never took it upon themselves to decide this great controversy. We can only assume that the venerable brothers before us determined that the issue not be ripe. However, today, the highest court of this great blog has decided the issue to be fully ripe and ready for judgment.
2. The issue that this court has been asked to decide is a very simple one: Who was the greater team between the 2004 Cal Football team and the 2006 Cal Football team?
3. But the underlying question to answer the specific issue before us is much more complex. The real underlying question presented to this court today is the difficult task of determining how a team's greatest is determined. Afterall, only until a team's greatest can be determined, or somehow measured, can two teams be accurately compared in order to evaluate their merits against each other.
4. Petitioners (Cal Football 2004) argue a bevy of detailed reasons why the 2004 Cal Football team is superior to the 2006 Cal Football team. Their arguments are propped up on the immeasurable - swagger and leadership, to the individual - individual statistical performances. Much of their time is spent arguing why these aspects of the team should be determinative of how the 2004 Cal Football team is superior to the 2006 Cal Football team. However, a team's swagger and leadership potential are speculative at best and wholly immeasurable. Additionally, a team's individual performances are not reflective of a team's overall greatness. Great teams can have great individual performers on the team. But weak teams can also have great individual performers on the team. A great individual performer is a poor indicator of a team's greatness.
5. Ironically, the Petitioner's spent the least amount of time arguing what this court finds most persuasive. Petitioner's argue that the teams' records should be the measuring stick of a team's greatness and it is this argument that with which we most agree.
6. Football is first and foremost a team game. Therefore, team accomplishments should be the ultimate deciding factor in determining who is better. There is no better way to determine a team's greatness than by looking at their overall win/loss record. Nothing else speaks greater of a team's accomplishments than their win/loss record.
7. Comparing the 2004 Cal Football team's win/loss record versus the 2006 Cal Football team's win/loss record, we see that the former had a 10-2 overall record. The latter had a 10-3 overall record. Converting these records to percentages we arrive at 83.3% for 2004, and 76.9% for 2006. This analysis would suggest that the 2004 team was clearly greater. However, if our analysis were to stop here, it would be flawed because the 2006 team played one more game than the 2004 team. Had the two teams played the same amount of games, this court would be satisfied with this analysis but since they did not, we are required to go deeper in our analyses.
8. Clearly, the next question that confronts us is how to compare two teams' greatness when they have similar and outstanding records, but played a different amount of games.
9. The next set of criteria for comparing teams is evaluating their quality wins and losses. The 2004 Cal Football squad's two highest quality wins are against Arizona State (9-3) and Oregon State (7-5). Both of these opponents finished with winning records. In comparison, the 2006 Cal Football squad's quality wins are against Oregon State (10-4), UCLA (7-6), Arizona State (7-6), and Oregon (7-6). All these opponents finished with winning records. This comparison seems to suggest that the 2006 Cal Football squad seems to have more quality wins, but quality losses haven't been taken into account.
10. The 2004 Cal Football team has only one regular-season loss, and their loss is a very high quality loss. That loss came against USC, and Cal lost 23-17. The 2006 Cal Football team has three losses, and only has one moderate-quality loss. Their three losses were against Tennessee (lost badly 35-18), Arizona (lost narrowly 24-20), and against USC (lost 23-9). The best loss of the three is the loss to USC. In that game, Cal kept the game within a touchdown for about 50 minutes and then fell apart in the end. Despite the close loss to Arizona, the 2006 Cal squad had no business losing to such a mediocre Arizona team. Thus, despite the closer margin of loss to Arizona than USC, the quality of loss is higher for the USC game than it is for the Arizona game. In regards to the Tennessee game, Cal was essentially knocked out of the game midway through the 3rd quarter. This loss was one of the ugliest losses of Coach Jeff Tedford's career.
11. Taking into account the quality wins and quality losses, it appears that the 2004 Cal team has the edge. The 2004 Cal Football team had less quality wins however they had fewer bad losses (none to be precise). On the other hand, the 2006 Cal Football team, despite having more quality wins, had two pretty bad losses. Losses should always take higher consideration than wins because above everything else, despite the quality of the opponent, a team must at least win the game. A team cannot prop its merits up on the argument that they "almost beat X opponent," or "would have beat Y opponent if not for Z incident." If such inconsequential and speculative arguments were given worth, the doors of the flood gates would be wide open and every team in the nation could have a substantial argument for being a great team.
12. Respondents' strongest argument in favor of the 2006 Cal Football team is that the 2006 Cal Football team won a share of the 2006 Pac-10 Title. Such a feat is an accomplishment; however, such an accomplishment cannot be attributed to solely the 2006 Cal Football team. The Pac-10 Title is given to the team(s) with the best conference record. A team's conference record is a product of their own success against the opponents they play. However, a team's standing within the conference itself is a product of not only their own success against the opponents they play, but also the success that their opponents have against the opponents they play. So while the 2006 Cal Football team should get credit for winning a share of the Pac-10 title, they also owe some credit to UCLA and Oregon State for knocking off USC and giving USC two losses - the same amount of losses that Cal had. Had Cal gone undefeated in conference play, and won the conference title solely by defeating every conference opponent without the reliance on another Pac-10 team to defeat the Pac-10 team in first place, then that would give the 2006 Cal Football team more merit.
13. Respondents' second strongest argument in favor of the 2006 Cal Football team is that the 2006 team won their bowl game and the 2004 Cal Football team did not. Credit should be given to the 2006 Cal Football team because their win over Texas A&M was one of the most impressive Cal bowl wins to date. The 2004 Cal Football team's loss to Texas Tech was a fairly bad loss on the other hand. But even taking into account the results of the bowl games, the 2004 Cal Football team only had one fairly bad loss to Texas Tech, and one quality loss. The 2006 Cal Football team had one ugly loss to Tennessee - one of the worst losses of the Jeff Tedford era, one bad loss to Arizona, and one somewhat quality loss to USC. So despite the results of the bowl game, this Court still finds that the overall resumé of the 2004 Cal Football team is superior to the 2006 Cal Football team.
14. Finally, the Respondents suggest that the 2006 Cal Football team supplied Cal fans with more memories and more memorable games than the 2004 Cal team. Such may be the case for the Respondents, but in the words of the very wise The Dude: "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." Memories are subjective to the person. What may be memorable to one person may not be memorable to the next person. As this Court has stated before, we are looking for objective standards to compare two teams by. Memories are a nice cherry on top of a win or season, but it is wins, quality wins, and quality losses that matter more for comparing two teams.
15. Judgment in favor of Petitioners, Team 2004.
Bear, CALumbus, S.A.C.J., dissenting:
1. This Court has been asked to finally determine which of the 2004 or the 2006 Cal football team was "better" or "greater". The majority opinion delves into this issue, uses meritorious metrics, but then draws conclusions which have little basis in fact. Accordingly, this Self Appointed Chief Justice respectfully dissents.
2. The majority opinion correctly emphasizes the accomplishments of the team over individual performances: "[t]herefore, team accomplishments should be the ultimate deciding factor in determining who is better. There is no better way to determine a team’s greatness than by looking at their overall win/loss record." Maj. op., ¶ 6. Each team had 10 wins, and due to an unequal number of games, the 2006 team had one more loss. The majority opinion continues to be correct in noting that the unequal number of games should mitigate the slight disparity in overall win/loss record. However, the majority opinion’s logic is then intercepted by faulty conclusions when it goes on to state that the 2004 team was better.
3. The majority opinion’s logic train is similarly derailed when it analyzes "good" wins versus "good" and "bad" losses. The majority opinion has it both right and wrong in the following sentence: "[t]he 2004 Cal Football team had less [sic] quality wins however they had fewer bad losses (none to be precise)." Maj. op., ¶ 11 (emphasis added). Justice HydroTech is correct in that the 2004 team had fewer quality wins than the 2006 team. But to then mitigate the entire merit of the sentence by including a gross inaccuracy in saying the 2004 team had no bad losses is an affront to each and every Cal fan who was, and remains, emotionally injured by the debacle that was the 2004 Holiday Bowl. The majority opines that the 2006 season-opening loss to Tennessee was "one of the worst losses of the Jeff Tedford era", maj. op., ¶ 13, but the majority fails to note that Tennessee was playing at home and that loss was a distant second to the true worst loss of the Jeff Tedford era (prior to 2007), which was the 2004 Holiday Bowl trouncing by Texas Tech. That loss is still cited by the national media and Texas fans as justification for Cal’s Rose Bowl snub. By any measure, the shame of that loss is almost unbearable. Do Cal fans still feel shame about the 2006 Tennessee loss? I would surmise: not nearly as much.
4. For the majority opinion to call the 2004 Holiday Bowl debacle merely a "fairly bad loss", maj. op., ¶ 13, is an indictment against the majority opinion’s sanity. Is this court comprised of revisionist historians? If so, this dissent shall serve to set the record straight.
5. To truly determine which was the better team, one must look to the record, as the majority opinion correctly opines. So the question then becomes, which team accomplished more? Did the 2004 team that finished second in the Pac-10 and lost the Holiday Bowl truly accomplish more than the 2006 team that finished tied for first in the Pac-10 and won the Holiday Bowl? The question answers itself.
6. Is the better team the one that appears to be better on paper, or the one that proves itself better on the playing field? Is the better team the one that loses its Bowl Game or the one that wins that same Bowl Game? These questions also answers themselves. One team has a Pac-10 co-championship banner and a Holiday Bowl trophy, while the other team has neither and instead has only arguments that it "almost beat X opponent" and "would have beat Y opponent if not for Z incident." Maj. op., ¶ 11. The 2004 team almost won the Pac-10 and almost won the Holiday Bowl, but the 2006 team actually accomplished both.
7. Fans may claim that the 2004 team had better talent, but talent alone does not determine which was the better team. Also, one could argue the 2006 team did more with less talent, which is a better indicator of team versus individual merit. As the majority opinion correctly points out, the record is the deciding factor. However, the majority opinion is incorrect when it decides the 2004 record is better than the 2006 record. A championship banner and a Holiday Bowl trophy dispute that conclusion. The 2006 team beat its foe from Texas in the Holiday Bowl, the 2004 team most infamously did not.
8. This dissent concludes with an analogy. Between the 2004 and 2006 seasons, the US[u]C[k] Trojans lost the 2005 BCS Championship Game. Matt Leinart, that team’s quarterback, apparently still upset by having been outplayed by Cal during that quarterback’s entire career, in a fit of classlessness declared (in an on-field interview immediately after his team’s defeat) that his team was still "better" than the national champions. In essence, the majority opinion invokes that same conclusion. In spite of the teams’ respective performances, including in the same Bowl Game and in the same Pac-10, the team that lost its ultimate game and did not win any share of the Pac-10 championship is still viewed as "better." But any rational person would conclude: "no, the other team, the team that won, is better." It does not matter who should have been better, it only matters who was. And that team was the 2006 team. Accordingly, given the conclusion of the majority opinion, this Self Appointed Chief Justice has no choice but to declare the majority opinion Leinart.
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This Self Appointed Chief Justice finds all dictum unpersuasive
I am only comfortable with my own dictum, and don’t care to be involved with others’.
Driver of the Cal Um Bus
The Cal Um Bus runs roughshod over all other dictum.
No longer wanting an interview with Ryan Anderson.
by yellow fever on Jul 22, 2009 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Once again, I Marshawnspectfully object
It is stated above:
Remember, the question is “What Team Is More Successful: 2004 or 2006?”
This was not the question presented to the parties, nor to the Honorable CGB Supreme Court for consideration. Indeed, if you click the links to the arguments of the lawyers in this case, you will see that even this question was different than the one given there. And that wasn’t even the question either.
The statement preceding the court’s majority opinion should accurately reflect the question presented to the Court. Based on the briefing instructions to the attorneys, the question was either “Which team was better, 2004 or 2006?” or “2004 vs. 2006.” It should be so ordered.
Praise be to Tedford!
Hmmm. Objection Sustained. I believe Mr. NHook, with his deceitful mischaracterization of the question before this august Court, is begging for sanctions to be levied against him. And frankly, this Court is STRONGLY considering it. A few days in the pokey for contempt outta set him straight.
Driver of the Cal Um Bus
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Sanctions, like having to read your brief again?
Supreme Leader Ayatollah TwistNHook!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
The motion for sanctions is hereby wholeheartedly SUSTAINED. Preliminary and immediate sanctions include, but are not limited to, a complete, comprehensive and perpetual ban on Mr. NHook wearing anything with more than one breast.
ORDERED, SO IT IS.
Driver of the Cal Um Bus
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
This is on the front page, isn’t it?
Hydro is going to have to write a 13th Emerald Bowl post just to off-set this.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah TwistNHook!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
PS A motion is not sustained, it is approved.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah TwistNHook!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
This Self Appointed Chief Justice is considering granting an introduction between this august Court’s mighty foot and your keester, which will be both approved and sustained AND YOU DON’T WANT NONE OF THAT.
SO ORDERED IT IS. Costs assessed against Twist
Driver of the Cal Um Bus
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like you have a new tagline.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah TwistNHook!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
Sustained, granted and/or approved.
Costs assessed against Twist
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I meant the SO ORDERED IT IS part.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah TwistNHook!
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Rejected, denied and/or overruled.
Costs assessed against Twist
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
WAIT YOUR TURN

CGB: Optimism is dead to us.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 22, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
This post reminds me
Why I would kill myself if I ever became a lawyer.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jul 22, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Would you kill yourself because you realized you lacked the persuasive rhetoric skills and inherent belligerence to make an effective attorney? Or because of the overwhelming douchebaggery of the profession?
Driver of the Cal Um Bus
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fixed
Would you kill yourself because you realized you lacked the persuasive rhetoric skills and inherent belligerence to make an effective attorney? of the douchebaggery of the profession? Or because of the overwhelming douchebaggery of the profession?
Praise be to Tedford!
by Ohio Bear on Jul 22, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You two are like the Venus and Serena of legalese.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jul 22, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
You don’t have the huge, bulging muscles and thick neck of Serena.
Costs assessed against Twist
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
OHIO FIGHT
CGB: Optimism is dead to us.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 22, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
TWIST, I DEMAND YOU TO TELL ME WHO THE HELL VOTED FOR 20004. I WANT TRANSPARENCY.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
rollonu, when we want something we have to use our indoor voices and put it in the form of a motion.
Costs assessed against Twist
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I have only seen court tv so I thought bickering is how it got done.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
by rollonubears on Jul 22, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Its clear who voted for who, because each justice signed their respective opinion.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah TwistNHook!
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by TwistNHook on Jul 22, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Apparently you don't learn how to read in Law School
But have you briefed yourself on all the issues? If not, read the Team Briefs first. Remember, the question is “What Team Is More Successful: 2004 or 2006?”
2. The issue that this court has been asked to decide is a very simple one: Who was the greater team between the 2004 Cal Football team and the 2006 Cal Football team?
Totally different issues.
Are you going to demand a mistrial?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jul 22, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe this is grounds for appeal… to the Ultra Supreme CGB Supreme Court. Who wants to be an Ultra Justice? I nominate myself for Self Applointed Chief Ultra Justice.
Costs assessed against Twist
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
self applointed huh?
CGB: Optimism is dead to us.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 22, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Those are the most powerful, best kind. Being appointed by someone else makes you weak and beholden to them. Being self appointed is like you pulled yourself up by your bootstraps.
Costs assessed against Twist
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t think this is as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. You and Ohio are always freaking out over it. We had a series of posts on 2004 v. 2006, it was a fun off-season diversion. There apparently was abit of miscommunication regarding the specific wording of the issue, perhaps, but I’m not sure it would have changed anything. The Chief Justice defined “greater” as having more success.
So, under either standards, as inane as it is that I’m writing this sentence, Justice Hydro’s Opinion works.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah TwistNHook!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
Losing Bowl Games SUCKS!
And winning them is GLORIOUS. I vote for 2006. Not even including the Bowl games in the Good Win, Bad Loss paragraph is a travesty.
And what about BAD WINS? The 2004 team didn’t win that Oregon game, Keith Allen lost it.
Now, I’d suggest that had our wide receivers stayed healthy, the 2004 team had the potential to be one of the best teams in Cal history. But they didn’t stay healthy. And in 2004’s defense, 2004 Texas Tech was a far, far superior team to 2006 Texas A&M. But it still all goes back to Bowl games. Winning them is great, losing them is horrifying. Damn, I have a happier memory of the 2005 season than the 2004 season because of this particular fact.
I must admit that the 2004 H-Bowl was one of the worst Cal experiences of my life. AND I LIVED THROUGH THE HOLMOECAUST!!!!!
There was so much hope and it was just crushed and it hurt. And that game took like 4 hours. It was so brutal. And I was on the East Coast, so it ruined my whole night. I dont know how east coasters do it.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah TwistNHook!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
I was in Hawaii. Afterwards we went out, had fruity drinks, and talked about the great Cal commercial (which was the high point of the broadcast). The Hawaii evening certainly helped distract me. Had I been back home in the East, I would’ve gone to bed drunk, angry and sad.
Costs assessed against Twist
by CALumbus Bear on Jul 22, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions

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