DBD 6.15.2009: To go for it or not to go for it? A Berkeley economist examines 4th down decisions.
by Berkelium97 on Jun 14, 2009 11:26 PM PDT
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PrintDavid Romer, a Berkeley economist, ran a statistical analysis of the worth of trying to convert a fourth down on any given point on a football field. Coupling this data with the worth of punting or kicking a field goal from the same position, he was able to assess whether or not a team should go for the 1st down or not at any given point on the field. His answers were surprising. He found that NFL coaches are much more conservative than they should be.
Take, for example, a fourth and three on the opponents' three yard line. According to Romer's data (harvested from the 1999-2001 football seasons), 38 of 47 times the team opted to kick a field goal instead of going for a touchdown. However, a team going for the touchdown in that same situation has a 43% chance of scoring a touchdown. Even if the team's kicker is 100% accurate in all situations at the three yard line, they only gain three points from the play. However, if the team goes for the touchdown they'll gain an average of 3.01 points. Already it is apparent that they may be better off going for the TD. Even if they miss, they pin their opponent within the three, which is optimal for gaining 2 more points off a safety. Adding the potential of these points to the 3.01 average and it becomes abundantly clear that going for the TD is a better idea.
Here is an excerpt from his paper:
Recommended Choices. Figure 5 [below] combines the analyses of kicking and going for it by showing the number of yards to go where the average payoffs to kicking and going for it are equal as a function of the team’s position. On the team’s own half of the field, going for it is better on average as long as there are less than about 4 yards to go. After midfield, the gain from kicking falls, and so the critical value rises. It is 6.5 yards at the opponent’s 45 and peaks at 9.8 on the opponent’s 33. As the team gets into field-goal range, the critical value falls rapidly; its lowest point is 4.0 yards on the 21. Thereafter, the value of kicking changes little while the value of going for it rises. As a result, the critical value rises again. The analysis implies that once a team reaches its opponent’s 5, it is always better off on average going for it. The two dotted lines in the figure show the two-standard-error bands for the critical values.16 The critical values are estimated fairly precisely.
Although these findings contradict the conventional wisdom, they are quite intuitive. As described in the introduction, one case where one can see the intuition clearly is fourth and goal on the 2. The expected payoffs in terms of immediate points to the two choices are very similar, but trying for a touchdown on average leaves the other team in considerably worse field position.
Thus trying for a touchdown is better on average. Another case where one can see the intuition fairly easily is fourth and 3 or 4 on the fifty. If the team goes for a first down, it has about a fifty-fifty chance of success; thus both the team and its opponent have about a 50 percent chance of a first and 10. But the team will gain an average of about 6 yards on the fourth-down play; thus it ison average better off than its opponent if it goes for it. If the team punts, its opponent will on average end up with a first and 10 around its 14. Both standard views about football and the analysis in Section II suggest that the team and its opponent are about equally well off in this situation. Thus, the team is on average better off than its opponent if it goes for a first down, but not if it punts. Going for the first down is therefore preferable on average.
The very high critical values in the dead zone also have an intuitive explanation. The chances of success if the team goes for it decline only moderately as the number of yards to go increases. For example, away from the opponent’s end zone, teams obtain a first down or touchdown on third down 64 percent of the time when they have 1 yard to go, 44 percent of the time when they have 5 yards to go, and 34 percent of the time when they have 10 yards to go. As a result, the value of going for it falls only moderately as the number of yards to go rises. Thus the large decrease in the gain from kicking in the dead zone causes a large increase in the critical value.
Actual Choices. Teams’ actual choices are dramatically more conservative than the choices recommended by the dynamic-programming analysis. On the 1604 fourth downs in the sample where the analysis implies that teams are on average better off kicking, they went for it only 9 times. But on the 1068 fourth downs where the analysis implies that teams are on average better off going for it, they kicked 959 times.
The dashed line in Figure 5 summarizes teams’ actual choices. It shows, for each point on the field, the largest number of yards to go with the property that when teams have that many or fewer yards to go, they go for it at least as often as they kick. Over most of the field, even with 1 yard to go teams usually kick. Teams are slightly more aggressive in the dead zone, but are still far less aggressive than the dynamic-programming analysis suggests.
If you're having trouble reading the graph, click it for an enlarged version.
However, in real life, with factors like momentum and individual teams' offense/defense, these findings cannot be totally accurate, right? Well, Romer's data still stands strong in spite of other factors. I won't go into all the details here, but if you want to learn more about this, I encourage you to read Romer's paper. Here is the link for it. In addition to the paper, I have also linked the hard data too.
Now that your brains are warmed up on this Monday morning, let's get to some links!
The California 2008-2009 Athletic Season is officially at an end. Sandy Barbour Tweets:
With all Cal competitiors finished at NCAA Track&Field-Cal Athletics has closed the book on 2008-09! Congrats to all on an historical year.
The last events of the year were in track and field, including the frontpaged discus event.
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Senior Katie Morgan was unable to successfully defend her 2008 NCAA pole vault title on Friday at the NCAA Championships in Fayetteville, Ark. Junior Tracey Stewartwasn't able to qualify for the final in the triple jump and seniors Brook Turner and Kandi Bonty had their seasons come to an end in the semifinals of the 400 meters.
Morgan posted a mark of 13-5.25 (4.10m) to place 13th overall in the pole vault. Indiana State's Kylie Hutson won the event with a score of 14-5.25 (4.40m).
Bonty finished in 13th overall in the semifinals of the 400, clocking in at 53.88. In the other semifinal heat, Turner crossed the finish line at 54.89 to place 17th overall.
Stewart recorded a mark of 39-10.00 (12.14m) to finish in 27th in the prelims of the triple jump.
The opinions expressed in a FanPost are, in every way, reflective of the opinions of every California Golden Blogs Marshawnthusiast. Moreover, they are reflective of every employee of SBNation, including Tyler "Blez" Bleszinski.
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JO watched the football team’s workout Thursday night.
While I was interested in watching all aspects of the team, I was primarily focused on one thing: the play of the quarterbacks and the receivers. As I’ve said many times, I feel the passing game is the missing link to what could be a very special season for the Bears. They have the other pieces in place — a strong running game, an exceptional defense — so a productive passing game would make them a complete team.
The Bears just started these workouts – although many players have been working out informally or their own — so it’s hard to expect dramatic progress so far. I didn’t see anything from the quarterbacks or receivers that looked that much different than last year. The receivers took turns running one-on-ones against Cal’s DBs, and many times failed to get open. Marvin Jones did break free for one long pass from Beau Sweeney, but overall I’d say the DBs got the better of the wide receivers.
None of the three quarterbacks looked substantially better than the other two. Kevin Riley said afterward that he feels better than he has throwing the ball in two years because of the mechanical adjustments that were discussed in the spring.JO still has a mancrush on Boateng (maybe that’s why he won’t admit Ross can bench more!):
Boateng appeared to be in his usually sculped, athletic self, but his problem with too many dropped passes continues.
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by Berkelium97 on Jun 14, 2009 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
great news on Riley…those are the kind of reports that make me think that 60% completion rate is possible.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
i agree. and we don't need much more than that for us to
be in really really great shape.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Jun 15, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
JO on the preseason hype around Syd:
“I’m kind of happy my college career started off like that,” he said. “It gave me that feeling of what it’s like to have a poor game. All I could do is progress. It couldn’t get any worse than how it started. I was able to build confidence within myself and get better.”
Thompson said he isn’t really interested in the preseason recognition he is earning. He appreciates the publicity, but only finds out about it when somebody else passes along the information. Predictably, he hasn’t gone out to buy any of the preseason magazines.
“I wouldn’t even know where to get one,” he said.
The soft-spoken and thoughtful Thompson keeps a healthy perspective about the recognition. He points out they essentially are based on what he has done in the past, not a prediction of the future.
“I don’t think that magazine stuff really matters,” Thompson said. “It’s good to get the publicity and get recognized for the success I’ve had and the success we’re having here at Cal, but really none of that matters because it’s in the past. If I go out this season and have a worse season than last season, nobody is going to remember what happened last year.”
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
by Berkelium97 on Jun 14, 2009 11:39 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Three players depart from the women’s basketball team.
The Cal women’s basketball team’s offseason has evolved into a turbulent stretch, as three players have left the program. Kelsey Adrian, Casey Morris and Angelei Aguirre have all decided to play elsewhere, coach Joanne Boyle confirmed Saturday.
“This is the first time I’ve really gone through it, to be honest,” Boyle said. “It’s a different generation, and what they’re looking for is different. It’s sad. You never want to lose a player, but we’ve watched other top programs go through it.”
Losing Adrian and Morris is a big blow because the two were expected to provide much-needed experience to help bolster Cal’s incoming freshman class. Adrian, a 6-foot-1 forward, played two seasons with the Bears. Though her freshman year was both productive and promising, Adrian struggled for most of the 2008-09 campaign and saw her numbers decline.
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by Berkelium97 on Jun 14, 2009 11:41 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
What? Did you explain how the women’s good fundamentals make up for their inability to dunk?
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s for the fan to decide!
Remember, the enemy's end zone is DOWN!
by GoldBlooded on Jun 15, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
This is too bad...
I know Casey Morris and Kelsey Adrian did not get to play as much as they wanted, and both had weak seasons, but I didn’t think they would give up and leave. Adrian was a really strong player her freshman year… They could have helped the new recruits adjust to Cal next year.
I guess they didn’t want to sit behind Grief, Vital and Lawson for another year. Shame. I guess it will be trial by fire for the Freshman class. Hopefully that pays dividends in the long run.
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
I tend to think it was going to be that way anyway. The depth and experience would have been nice, but this incoming freshman class was going to push for playing time immediately, I think. Could be rough next year, but watch out in 2011!
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
This news makes next year much more questionable for me…. hopefully it will still be a moderately successful team and not a horror-story “rebuilding” year.
Shit, this is too bad. Especially because Kelsey Adrian’s parents were so nice! And Canadian!
by Yes We Cannon on Jun 16, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
SF Examiner’s Rob Calonge has been compiling a list of Cal’s ten most valuable players for 2009. No. 10: Bryan Anger.
No. 9: Marvin Jones, Nyan Boateng, or Jeremy Ross.
No 8: Tyson Alualu.
No. 7: Giorgio Tavecchio or David Seawright
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by Berkelium97 on Jun 14, 2009 11:46 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
So if I understand the economics logick
There’s a large demand for “going for it on 4th down”, but the supply is very low, therefore the cost is higher than most coaches are willing to pay?
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Jrue Holiday done with UCLA, on to NBA.
LOS ANGELES (AP)—UCLA guard Jrue Holiday has decided to remain in the NBA draft and will hire an agent, which makes him ineligible to return to the Bruins.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
OH MY GOD THIS IS A TOTAL SHOCK TO EVERYONE.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, you bring the news tomorrow, Mr. Smarty-Pants. Actually, since you seem to know what’s going to happen in advance, why don’t you bring us Tomorrow’s news TODAY?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
I got a hamburger yesterday, but I had to pay for it today. :(
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
But did you GLADLY pay for it today?
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by CALumbus Bear on Jun 15, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps you should burgle a burger.
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by CALumbus Bear on Jun 15, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I Bring News From Jan.1st 2010
Cal Wins the Rose Bowl!!!!
Leading 10-7 late in the first quarter Jahvid Best ripped off an impressive 77 yard touchdown run, keyed by a huge Nyan Boatang block. Best danced his way to the 30, then Boatang landed an epic hit on Penn St.’s free safety, Best then proceed to simply outrun all remaining Nittany Lions.
On the subsequent possession with the lions driving, All-Big 10 qb Darryl Clark had a pass picked off and returned for an 84 yard touchdown by Senior All-American Syd’Quan Thompson. Displaying great instincts and discipline Thompson shook off the attempts by Clark to look off the senior, before pouncing on the sharply thrown ball. Once caught Thompson juked two Penn St players to the ground before heading downfield, picking up an entourage of Cal Bears in the process.
Penn St. never recovered losing 42-13.
We all dream of being a child again, even the worst of us, the worst... perhaps... most of all.
Anti-Jinx?
News from Sept. 12
The California Golden Bears were thoroughly embarrassed today as Eastern Washington was able to cruise to a 30-13 victory. Kevin Riley displayed the form that got him benched last year completing only 1 of his first 10 passes, his 11th and final pass was intercepted and returned for a touchdown. Shane Vereen seperated his right shoulder on the play attempting to tackle the player just before reaching the endzone. Vereen was blocked and landed awkwardly on his shoulder, he will miss at least 4 weeks.
On defense, the linebacking core once again looked lost, and unable to avoid being blocked. With the safeties moving up to support the run, Hagan and Thompson were left isolated on the edges. Unfortunately, Hagan in the 3rd quarter and Thompson in the 4th slipped during coverage. Eastern Washington was able to easily convert on both plays with touchdown passes of 42 and 63 yards.
With the game out of reach at 30-6, Tedford allowed Jahvid Best to return a kick-off. He subsquently converted a brilliant 97 yard touchdown with 2:00 left in the game. However, once in the endzone his foot became entangled with a tear in the turf at Memorial stadium, and resulted in a torn ACL. The injury is season-ending.
We all dream of being a child again, even the worst of us, the worst... perhaps... most of all.
I just can't win!
I post a pro-Cal news report and I’m told I’m jinxing. I post-an anti-Cal news report (thus invoking the anti-jinx) and I get the WTF. I’m going to cry myself to sleep tonight.
We all dream of being a child again, even the worst of us, the worst... perhaps... most of all.
There is no anti-jinx! It’s a lose-lose! The only safe thing to do is not talk about Cal football at all.
by HolmoePhobe on Jun 15, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Should we shut down CGB?
We all dream of being a child again, even the worst of us, the worst... perhaps... most of all.
I think it’s more of a watched-pot-never-boils thing. We should all de-fan, shutdown the stadium during game days. No one is allowed to watch or pay attention to the team. Only then will they win the Rose Bowl.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
My head just exploded
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by Fire Starkey on Jun 15, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s not how we lose.
News from Aug 30.
The California Golden Bears were once again upset, 40-38 by the Maryland Terrapins when a last-second field goal attempt was blocked when it struck a passing seagull. Down 40-23 with 5 minutes remaining, Kevin Riley led the team on two stunning 4th quarter drives. First converting a two point play after a 45 yard touchdown pass to Nyan Boateng with 3:20 left, the Bears then converted an onside kick, and Jahvid Best capitalized with a 58-yard TD run with fine blocks from Boateng. Tavecchio nailed the PAT to bring the Bears within 2.
With 2:58 left, the Terps had to run out the clock due to the three remaining timeouts from JT, a fumble by the RB led to the Bears regaining possession. Victory seemed imminent for the throngs of cheering Bear fans at Memorial Stadium. However, an unnecessary roughing penalty on Jahvid Best pushed the bears back 15 yards. After getting stuffed at the line twice and an overthrow by Kevin Riley, the Bears were forced to attempt a 45-yard field goal with 0:03 remaining.
That’s when Blinky the Seagull took matters into her own hands. Swooping low looking for bits of hotdog to bring home to the nest to regurgitate into her young brood’s hungry stomachs, Blinky blocked the field goal’s perfect trajectory and the ball fell harmlessly into the hands of a Maryland special teams player. Bears lose 40-38. Just another typical loss for the Golden Bears.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
This thread is taking a turn for the worst
Can’t you guys just watch highlights of 2007 again? Here, watch OSU upset us. And, oh look! We lost the Big Game and they rushed the field. If you need to un-jinx us, this is the way to go.
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I wasn’t mocking you. I’m sorry Rags. If it makes you feel any better you are my favorite here.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
WTF?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I love you too Carp. I just feel that Ragnarok is the most universally loved commenter. Does anybody have anything against Rags? I don’t think so. He doesn’t comment a super lot but gets in his share every day. He is the model CGBer.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I secretly hate Rags. Don’t tell him.
by HolmoePhobe on Jun 15, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
this is a question for rags’ old lady.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I’m not sure if rags’s mom even knows this site exists.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure that that’s what’s commonly meant by the term “old lady”, but my mom does indeed know of the site. I don’t know if she’s ever visited. I know my dad has; I gave him one of our CGB business cards a few weeks back.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
They look better than this in production. Also, there’s a second version with my personal contact info on it, but I’d prefer to keep that version off the ’net.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Hmm, it actually doesn’t include my specific role — that might be worth adding for the second batch (we did a very small first run – 50 of each). It also includes an alternate tagline (How many elements on the Periodic Table are named after your school?)
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Indeed. My next question was going to be are you going to offer different taglines depending on the edition? But that is very cool.
Heh, thanks. Yeah, I’m hoping to carry on rotating taglines, but as we discovered while coming up with these, most of our current tagline cache is self-deprecating, inside joke-y, or otherwise inappropriate for a business card. The litmus test ended up being, “Would I be embarrassed to hand this to Sandy Barbour?” which ended up eliminating most of them.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
(waits patiently for a comment from either “ragnarok’s pops, OG rags, my son rags is a pussy, I made rags from my balls,” or the like)
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
in carp’s culture…old lady = wife.
and I’m 6 mo. older than my wife.
My wife’s brother always calls and asks if “my old lady will let me go out for a round of beers” even though she doesn’t care one way or the other.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
If it makes you feel any better, you are my mentor.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel any better, you can pistolwhip me with a nerf gun.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
If it makes you feel any better, you are by far the funniest.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to be, by far, the mentor who pistol whips you very normally.
I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
If it makes you feel any better, sure.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
What Twist said
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel any better, I said you were the most normal commenter here.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The The is above souls.
Driver of the Cal Um Bus
by CALumbus Bear on Jun 15, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone is on the edge of their seats in anticipation of USA-Italy on ESPN in 15 minutes.
Joe Starkey...Scholar, Humanitarian, Cal legend, worst radio play by play man of all time.
by Fire Starkey on Jun 15, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
What’s the best way to follow it online?
by HolmoePhobe on Jun 15, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the best place to look for streams: http://atdhe.net/
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks…on second thoughts that is a little too conspicuous…I will await Fire Starkey’s exciting updates in the comments.
by HolmoePhobe on Jun 15, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that ESPN360.com is also showing the game. Probably even more conspicuous.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Spoiler alert!!!!
US red card in 32nd minute for Clark, I saw a replay, pretty dicey call from the angle I had.
US almost scored as comical own goal in the 38th minute. Italy pass was offside luckily as Bornstein put the ball in his own net.
US scores a penalty in the 40th minute despite being down to 10 men.
Halftime
2nd half should be intense
Joe Starkey...Scholar, Humanitarian, Cal legend, worst radio play by play man of all time.
by Fire Starkey on Jun 15, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Alas, not enough
Italia storms its way to victory by putting the US to the sword in the 2nd half. A reasonably good performance by the US though.
Joe Starkey...Scholar, Humanitarian, Cal legend, worst radio play by play man of all time.
by Fire Starkey on Jun 15, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually have shit to do?
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
ha! Told you!
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Faraudo with a report on Cal Basketball recruits
Here’s the tantalizing news for Cal basketball fans: John Gage, a 6-foot-10 power forward prospect from Vashon Island, Wash., has shooting range from beyond the 3-point line, boasts a 3.95 grade-point average and is considering an engineering major in college.
“Cal is No. 2 in the nation in engineering, and that definitely helps,” Gage said this week. “But Stanford is right up there, too. And Washington is just a notch down.”
It’s worth keeping in mind that Gage, for all his skills and potential, is 16 years old. “I’m not sure I’m going to be an engineer,” he said. “I’m still a kid.”
Gage, who lists Cal, Stanford and Washington as his three favorites in no particular order, exemplifies the uncertainty of college recruiting.
I think this is the guy Monty was talking about at the Coaches’ Tour, the basketball recruit who wanted to be an engineer:
He had a few funny stories. One was about a player of his who wanted to be an engineer. They took him to the engineering school and the people there were so confused. They’d never had a b-ball player want to be an engineer. That’s Berkeley for ya!
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
There was also Brenden Graves
Who had a 3.9 in Mech E. And transferred to Santa Clara for both playing time and the chance to play with his fellow Canadian Steve Nash
Huh. I guess he made basketball his occupation after all.
Went to a rival high school. I know someone that knows him that said he is kind of an idiot and should not have been at Cal. I trust the opinion of the person who told me, so that is how I am convinced he is unless I see a GPA to the contrary. Maybe another player I am confusing him with.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 16, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That doesn’t change the fact that he was a basketball-playing engineer.
by Yes We Cannon on Jun 17, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Photo essay of Giants/A's wives softball game
http://www.athleticsnation.com/2009/6/14/909574/pics-as-giants-wives-softball-game
Rated R Superstar delivered the requisite Jamie Kotsay pic (slightly NSFW).
I’d have to say Mrs. Ryan Sweeney-to-be is the best of the current bunch.
Also Mia (Hamm) Garciappara pics too.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
cute!
love the comments that they should have put Mia G in at third….
you know she was pissed that they lost the game.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Jun 15, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I can imagine that everyone else would be joking having fun and after awhile Mia would get sick of it and the ‘one of the greatest female athletes of all time’ side would come out and she would started yelling at people and being super serious.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually really wanted to write a book about baseball players wives and their culture….it seems really intriguing to me.
Jahvid Best is so awesome, he makes me want to strangle a mountain ox with my bare hands!
by dballisloose on Jun 16, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Fantastic John Shea article on the history and future of the A’s/Giants territorial rights of San Ho. A must read for all Giants/A’s fans.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
lol
angus_young
6/13/2009 5:39:11 PM
I can’t wait to see how the A’s will incorporate a tarp into their new stadium design.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
haha…I know.
Just wait until they have to run chainlink fence around the current warning track of AT&T so a decent slugger will actually come to SF. It will be just like Candlestick.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
*waits*
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
While we’re waiting, I’ll live with great pitching.
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Man I Love Facebook, Part III
Nominated by Hydro, and seconded by The Maharg…I present to you the latest installment of Random Hot Women from Facebook. In accords with TnH’s wishes, I’ll just provide the link and not the large photo.
These 3 are all sisters.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
by carp on Jun 15, 2009 12:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Do you know all these people
or do you just troll facebook looking for pics of hot chicks?
Joe Starkey...Scholar, Humanitarian, Cal legend, worst radio play by play man of all time.
by Fire Starkey on Jun 15, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
A serious question
Do you know yet if you’re going to have a daughter, carp? If so, how would you raise her to avoid being featured on “Random Hot Chicks I Found On Facebook” twenty years hence?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
no a son.
If I did have a daughter (and I suppose the same is implied for my son)…it’s simple…no NSFW/stupid pics on the internets and don’t go to San Fernando Valley and become a porn star.
I have one facebook pic up.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
It’s hard to keep stupid pictures off the internets — particularly as things like facebook become more ubiquitous.
Facebook pictures became an issue in a recent LA Congressional race…
by HolmoePhobe on Jun 15, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
So the ones on the outside are single (flower on right side of head), and the one in the middle is….???
www.californiagoldenblogs.com
the ones on the outside also go to ASU. Shall I invite them to comment here?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
We invite women all the time, but that misogynist Spazzy chases them all away.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
….bitches.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2009 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Taj Gibson also to stay in the NBA Draft
I don’t know what his pro prospects are like, but it seems like anyone involved with USC basketball with good options elsewhere is getting the heck out of Dodge. I don’t blame them.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
He’s a monster, he will be solid in the pros. I think he haunted my dreams a few times last year.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Tech question
My sister wants a Macbook pro for college, which is probably the most expensive laptop on the market. My parents do not want to pay for a Macbook pro. What’s the best bargain laptop out there that is good for non-techy people?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 1:46 PM PDT reply actions
I don’t know much about the bargaining for laptops, but I bought my Dell 700m laptop 4 years ago, and it’s still working great for me today, other than your typical wear and tear. It only set me back $700 from a list price of $1200 because Dell loves to throw up huge bargain deals. Plus, I really enjoyed the compatibility with other Dell products. For example, after forgetting your power cord at home, its pretty easy to find someone at the library to bum some electricity from.
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a feeling this is going to lead to another Dell/Mac argument.
Costco has good deals on regular laptops that should be suitable for undergrad applications. If she goes the laptop route…be sure to explain to her that it has limited storage and that she’d better get used to external hard drives and flash drives.
Your parents might want to consider a desktop (can’t be easily stolen) since most students don’t bring their laptops to class and laptops + texbooks = super duper heavy backpack. She can get a better computer for comparable cost, imo.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Desktops are great for people who need a lot of power, gamers, or the technically-oriented (nerds). Everyone else seems to prefer laptops.
agreed…but I think it’s more of a “hey I’m a cool college student” thing rather than a necessary instrument.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Oh absolutely. I don’t like laptops – the screen’s too small, the keyboard’s too small, the lack of a real mouse is annoying, they overheat too easily…but they are easy to lug to class, and you don’t need deskspace for a monitor, so I can see why they appeal to people.
On the other hand, I own two desktops and a laptop, so I’m probably not the average consumer.
I love my laptop. I’m never buying a desktop again.
That said, I do use a desktop at work, and I really hate doing design work on a laptop screen. I do attach a mouse to the laptop when I do design work, though.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
might want to oneday consider the dockable Dell Inspiron laptop in the future. One computer, two different styles. My laptop essentially becomes a desktop at work (where I use a 24" monitor and have a bunch of USB drives. I have a full wireless keyboard and mouse…it’s great.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
that’s a neat setup, and probably what i’d do if i had a serious home office. however, i work in an all-Mac office, so the Dell does me no good there.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
I am not a big fan of Macs. They are pretty overrated in my opinion.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Only get a Macbook (or any Mac really) if you’re ok with paying 50-100% extra for the “cool” factor.
Is your/her main priority convenience (weight, etc.) or cost? Either way, Dells are a pretty good deal – they’re not great quality, but they’re not as bad as people make them out to be. I have a lightweight Fujitsu which is pretty awesome, and if you’re willing to pay a little extra IBM’s are always a safe bet. Basically you should be fine with any of the major brands.
Is there any site for ranking laptops? It seems like it’d be a pretty useful tool.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
A used Dell Insipiron 600m with “MacBook Pro” and the Apple logo scrawled on it with sharpie, along with a picture of that twit from the “I’m a Mac, I’m a PC” commercials.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I just realized, wasn’t he in that Take Me to Hell film?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
John Hodgman? Or the twit guy?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, my Dell laptop has a Apple sticker covering the Dell logo. It’s pretty funny watching CS majors ask you if thats the newest Mac Book.
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If she has to buy a Mac, she should take advantage of the sales as Apple is trying to clear out old stock which is currently being replaced by the just-released Mac laptops.
If she wants to pay even less (and get a more powerful Windows pc), just keep an eye on weekly sales at brick and mortar stores. Online, she can also find a variety of serviceable yet inexpensive laptops. This Dell is only $449 and is probably more than capable of handling anything she wants to do. Just last week, this powerful Gateway was on sale for only $499.
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
I did get a $650 Powerbook G4 from Tiger Direct. Runs pretty well and will be a pretty good replacement for my aging HP desktop
What do you think is the best Mac bargain (I think at the end of the day she’ll probably get a Mac, just want to make sure it’s at the best possible price).
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
whistle I will say one thing about Apples, they do run normally. My IBM Thinkpad monitor goes to black screen once or twice every two days.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
While I’m not disputing that this is the case with your Thinkpad – it’s ridiculous how many Mac users I’ve heard say “My PC used to crash all the time for no reason, so I got a Mac and it’s way better”.
Yes, Macs are a little bit more stable, but the idea that PCs just spontaneously crash at the drop of a hat – and that “Macs don’t get viruses” – is incredibly stupid. I ran a low-end Dell with no antivirus for 6 years – yeah, it crashed from time to time, but I never got a single virus, lost any files, or got a single BSOD. PCs are almost as stable as Macs if you know what you’re doing. Macs are more idiot proof, but that doesn’t mean they’re somehow inherently superior, particularly given that you’re paying almost twice as much.
+1
You are now tied with Spazzy at +1 each.
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
WHOOOOOOOO
I’M TIED FOR NUMBER ONE! TIED FOR NUMBER ONE!
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I only bought the Mac because it was on discount.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know that I would say that Macs cost twice as much as comparable PCs. While it’s true that you can get a PC laptop for half of what a MacBook might run you, if you load up the laptop with hardware and software that are comparable to what Apple includes standard, you don’t get nearly the same price differential. While you do pay a premium to own a Mac, much of the price difference is simply due to the fact that Apple basically ignores the low-end PC market.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Yes but nothing ruins a party faster than two dudes playing on their iPhones
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
What about you?
I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
What about me?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Twist is bitter because he’s the guy who shows up and is like HEY EVERYONE CHECK OUT MY IPHONE
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont own an iPhone. I have to steal one from a nearby yuppie everytime I go to a party.
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Actually, I have none. I always give the iPhone back. But since I cant tell yuppies apart, rarely to the original yuppie.
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It doesn’t have to be but that’s what it usually is!
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Macs are not just "more idiot proof"
They are almost completely idiot proof. Which is why I love my MacBook. I recently went to the Apple Store because my trackpad had stopped working. The only question they asked was “Did you spill food on it?” before they replaced the trackpad. (It’s still under warranty, and I hadn’t spilled food on it.)
I have been using this PC for 5 years and have never seen a blue screen. Of course it is really slow now and I am getting a new computer this week, but it has never crashed.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
your experience =/= 75% of idiot america's experiences
Remember, the enemy's end zone is DOWN!
by GoldBlooded on Jun 15, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
First comment from my new computer.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 16, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions
don’t forget to remind your parents they’ll need to buy a student copy of Microsoft Office (or obtain by other means). Getting her Adobe (includes Photoshop) might also be non-essential but perhaps beneficial software. Quicken/Quickbooks could help her manage her expenses – a huge problem for young adults.
She can’t be one of those kids who sends me attachments with Microsoft Works files and the like.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
My dad’s a prof, that’s not big deal.
Don’t worry carp, you’re not getting photos of my sister.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
your dad should get great deals from Dell and Mac through his school…probably even better than Costco.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
He got me a free 19" Dell monitor! Quite useful!
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I own a MacBook Pro (and I love it)
but they do way more than what is necessary for most college students. I justified the extra cost of my laptop by reasoning that my laptop was essential to my career, and I also bought the first run of Intel MacBook Pros, so a less expensive MacBook option wasn’t available at that time.
Realistically, the low end MacBook is still a fabulous machine, and I bought one for my wife last November for under $1000 (with upgraded RAM). I like the bigger screen of the Pro, but again, I’m using my laptop professionally. If your sister really wants a Mac, the MacBook is a great choice, and there’s no good reason for her to go Pro.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Mac pwns PC’s in powerpoint presentations. It’s unreal.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
pICS OR YOU ARE GOING TO GET HER AN ABACUS!
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Wouldn’t it be nice if the Giants sweep the Angels and the A’s sweep the dodgers?
I think that would be very nice.
Joe Torre called and he said “Bring it”.
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by CALumbus Bear on Jun 15, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d love to see October baseball back in the Yay. It’s good for all involved.
Therefore, I’m respectfully requesting GM Sabean trade one of his 1000 starting pitchers that he’s drafted for someone who can bring the womp at the plate. Matt Holliday and Jack Hanahan for Bumgartner and Kung Fu Panda.
Nah, I don’t like KFP that much. To me, he’s a few Happy Meals from being Bubba Parris of the Giants. Gillespie / Posey would be nice.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Carp, as someone who follows no baseball, who’re the best teams in each league?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Avinash, baseball has been pretty tight this year. Just look at the standings and you’ll see that a lot of teams are bunched together.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers look far and away as the best team in baseball right now. The Red Sox are the best team in the American League. I would say that the Yankees are third, the Phillies are fourth and then the fifth-best team in baseball are actually the Rangers.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
This
makes me want to vomit. :(
Mostly cause I can’t argue.
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure if the Dodgers impressive record is really indicative of how good they are. Meaning, the NL West is bad and the NL is the weaker league.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Still, the Dodgers are 20 games over .500 and that’s seven more games than the next closest team.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
you don’t need to start watching until Sept/Oct. The pennant races are a lot of fun.
If you can afford it and the Giants are in it, get your butt down to AT&T park during the aforementioned months. You will not forget it nor be disappointed.
PS – get garlic(k) fries.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Dude I follow baseball and I’m fairly confused as to what you just said
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants are close…somehow. They need a bat and have like an Avogadro’s number of kwality starting pitching. Sabean needs to get a bat but doesn’t want to trade one of his precious arms. Nonetheless, he needs too.
Holliday (A’s) is in a contract year (Boras is his client). The A’s currently suck and will likely move him. The A’s need young prospects in return (and the Giants have a few).
KFP = Pablo.
Gillespie, Posey, Bumgartner (sp?), are all promising prospects.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Haha thanks. You went all Krukow for a second there.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
:)
I’d be cool to see Holliday stay in the Bay Area, man down LF for the rest of his career (assuming the Giants pay him 15 million/yr or so), and the A’s get prospects that pan out in return.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I’m still pissed the Giants did pick up Guerrero when he was free.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
OMFG I know. I think they spent almost the same (annual) amount of money for Tucker, Mohr, and 1 or 2 other guys that I can’t remember. Bad Vlad in SF would have been awesome – especially paired with Barry.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I’m not complaining. I hate the Giants.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I could say the same about the As, but I can never bring myself to post anything critical, so I guess I don’t really hate them.
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Its all pent up inside of you, just festering. And one day somebody will ask you to pass them the salt and you’ll scream “WHY THE FUCK DID YOU SUCK THE LIFE OUT OF BARRY ZITO BEFORE WE PAID HIM 2 BILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
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While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t have hate per se…it’s more envy/annoyance.
Envy in that they have the ballpark, the Bay Area love, the radio, the TV deal, the primo NorCal city.
All the A’s have is a BART station and a nice tailgating lot.
The annoyance is the fringe Giants fan who texts most of the game, doesn’t know the regular players, and doesn’t understand the double switch. This fan basically has never seen a game at Candlestick. Also, this fan will not beat my ass at a Giants game no matter how hard I try.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Double switch? Is that like…something sexual?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s Bochy’s favorite tactic, even when its completely unnecessary. I think it makes him feel useful.
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Who’s Bochy?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s the manager of the Giants.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
What’s a manager?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s sort of like the coach of the team, like a Jeff Tedford or a Mike Montgomery.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Who is this “Ted ford” you speak of
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2009 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions
-1
I know it’s a day late, but it still counts.
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 16, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
hey…you’re not that type of fan. Or are you?!?!
Pics or you can’t define a suicide squeeze.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Ok I feel like an asshole for trolling all of you.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s still nuts to think of how many ridic players the Expos had in their glory days of attracting 8k fans/game.
Pedro, Larry Walker, Vlad, Randy Johnson (yes), Cliff Floyd, Alou, Andres Galarraga
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
All of the usual names have surfaced such as Matt Holliday, Jorge Cantu and Dan Uggla, but someone the Giants should look at is Russell Branyan. The Mariners will probably become sellers.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
they need more than Russell Branyon – although he’d be an upgrade at first.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Russell Branyan is hitting .313 with 15 home runs. I think he’d be just enough to put the Giants into the playoffs. They could then shift Juan Uribe over to second base and stop messing around with Emmanuel Burriss.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I had no idea Branyon was doing so well.
I thought Burriss, in the Giants eyes, is expected to be The Chosen One?
They need some serious OF help too.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Burriss has been really up and down this year. He’s hitting .242 now and is not very good defensively at second base, either.
In the outfield, Randy Winn is decent and Aaron Rowand has been one of the hottest hitters in baseball since hitting atop the lineup. I’m sure they could use a corner outfield since Fred Lewis has been a huge disappointment. For now, it looks like Nate Schierhotlz is their guy.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish Rowand would change his friggin retard stance. It looks like he’s trying to hump the catcher’s mask.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, Andres Torres had the best game of his life against the A’s and he could quite possibly see some more time in the outfield. I don’t know how committed the Giants are to Nate Schierholtz.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Burriss could turn into a decent major league regular, but he should ideally still be in the minors.
Last year the Giants were so bad that management basically promoted anybody with a pulse in a bizarre trial-by-fire to see who could stick at the major league level. The good news is that it gave us Sandoval and a bunch of good relief pitchers. The bad news is that it exposed Burriss, Frandsen and Velez as very not ready.
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Bowker didn’t work out and Ishikawa hasn’t worked out.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, my list is not by any means exhaustive. Bowker’s been raking in AAA so there’s hope that he’s progressed and might be ready soon. We’ll see if Ishi can survive the rest of the season, but the team could use an upgrade at 1st and 2nd for sure.
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Juan Uribe, at least, has filled in nicely at the hot corner. It’s also easier on Sandoval when he’s playing first base.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
U.....................................RIBE!
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I’m not sure the Giants are willing to trade Pablo, since he’s become a real fan favorite at the park. And I’m not convinced the Giants have much to gain from playing Holliday in the OF, especially if it means trading away one of the few assets they have. I’d much rather see something like Sanchez for Nick Johnson or something like it, though it’s not too likely.
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
not sure that’s enough for Nick Johnson (Sanchez is now a bullpen pitcher, yes?)…and Johnson always gets injured.
Dunn, Texiera, Abreu, or Manny could have been had without trading prospects. 2/4 would have been fairly affordable.
Dunn, iirc, said he would never come to SF because of the parks unfriendly dimensions for hitters.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Sanchez is the fifth pitcher, and a pretty decent one too. But his problem is consistency. He’s only gone to the 7th inning once this year, but he has shown a LOT of potential to be dominant.
But you’re right. I don’t expect a trade consisting of Sanchez without additional clout added.
And Dunn is a puss. ATT Park isn’t Fenway or the new Yankees Stadium, but it is nowhere near as cavernous as PetCo park is. I think the park is much more neutral than people play it out to be.
by CaliforniaBone on Jun 15, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m glad the Giants didn’t go after Dunn just because he’s a butcher in the field, like if Jack Cust had to always play right. He basically gives back his value because of his defense. He would make a great DH though.
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Is the trade proposal serious, or a joke?
As a Giant fan I would NEVER make this deal. I thought the consensus from A’s fans on Hanahan is that he sucks, so basically we’d be giving you our best position player and our best pitching prospect for a guy who’s gonna be gone in a year.
As good as the Giants are playing, I have a hard time thinking they’re really contenders, and I’d be shocked if they made the playoffs. 2010 is our first year with the rebuilding done, and 2011 is the real target year, because Alderson, Bumgarner and Posey will all be fully ready, plus whatever other free agents and prospects pan out.
Basically, as a Giant fan I’m not willing to mortgage any of our future for this year because I just don’t think the team is ready this year.
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
not serious…but not entirely impossible.
norcalnick…while I’m certaing you have a good head on your shoulders, you shouldn’t have a lot of confidence in Mr. Sabean. He nearly traded Lincecum for Alex Rios Winter ’07. We also know how the Pierzynski trade worked out.
The thing with prospects is that they aren’t major league proven. We’ve seen a lot of guys stall at the AAAA level.
Merkin Valdez used to be The Savior, too. Jesse Foppert? Kurt Ainesworth? Now no one wants any of ’em.
Basically what I’m saying is…you have no idea if The Future will give you a chance at the playoffs. You have, somehow, a legit chance in 2009 but you need an uprgrade if you want to make some noise and not go 3 and out in the playoffs.
If the Giants keep with the current MO – stockpile young arms with poor offense – these young arms will all eventually become too expensive for the Giants to keep all of them anyways.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I think Billy would have to go down on Sabean to get Posey. That isn’t happening.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t it be nice if the Giants
sweeptake one from the Angels and the A’ssweepat least injure someone on the dodgers?I think that would be very nice.
Expectations tempered realistically.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I AM NOW AT +2. TAKE THAT HOLMOEPHOBE I OWN THE INTERNET
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
there’s now a 3rd horse in the race.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
shit!
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
oh shit!
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Since CaliSeth seems to have gone on to bigger and better things I find myself in need of an alliance.
What’s your take on Longshore and an Edit Button?
Where does Repo Man stand in the pantheon?
Why is Mullah Twisted so anti-American?
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
Since Maharg is my mentor, if you get him you get me as well. Do you really want to do that?
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 16, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
When Antony and Octavian decided to form an alliance, Antony didn’t really like Octavian’s buddy Cicero. Octavian looked at the situation and Cicero wasn’t long for the world.
I just want you to know it’s personal. It isn’t business.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on Jun 16, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Did you just compare rollonubears to Rome’s greatest orator?
And then imply that you would cut off his head and hands and nail them to an oversized podium?
If Rome is CGB then greatest orator becomes biggest weasel.
quod erat demonstrandum
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
Cal's 2010 NFL Draft Prospects
LINK, but far far more technical stuff if you click for the link.
Jahvid Best: He’s as explosive and sudden as you can get. I love his natural running instincts and toughness for a back his size. Looks like a big-play threat at the next level.
Nyan Boateng: A nice-sized target with good body control and feel in the pass game. Looks like he could fill out a roster spot as a possession-type receiver in the NFL.
Cameron Jordan: A young, moldable defensive lineman with a great frame and the ability to mature into either a 4-3 or 3-4 DE.
Tyson Alualu: A versatile, blue-collar lineman who is very raw but has some athleticism and could develop into a decent rotational guy.
Syd’Quan Thompson: Showcases the natural burst and closing speed to get after the ball but needs to clean up his back-pedal off the line.
Chris Conte: A well-built DB who possesses good ball skills and coordination, but he needs to learn to press receivers effectively to have any chance of playing man-to-man at the next level.
Marcus Ezeff: Has a solid build and decent power, but lacks the instincts to give himself a chance to make many plays in any area of the game.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Chris Conte: A well-built DB who sucks and the most notable thing about him is his cross tattoo.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
This guy must not think much of Hagan to list Conte instead. I think Conte probably does have a more ideal body type and frame for an NFL defensive back rather than Hagan, but right now I think Hagan has superior coverage skills which matters more right now.
www.californiagoldenblogs.com
Hagan’s a junior. He’s focusing on seniors, I believe….
Wait, is Conte a senior?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Jordan isn’t a senior, is he? I thought he was a redshirt sophomore last year.
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
by Berkelium97 on Jun 15, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
NBA Mock Draft 2009
Update: Seventeenth
Last updated: Monday; June 15, 2009
1.) Los Angeles Clippers — Blake Griffin, PF/Oklahoma
2.) Memphis Grizzlies — Hasheem Thabeet, C/Connecticut
3.) Oklahoma City Thunder — James Harden, SG/Arizona State
4.) Sacramento Kings — Ricky Rubio, PG/Spain
5.) Washington Wizards — Stephen Curry, PG/Davidson
6.) Minnesota Timberwolves — Tyreke Evans, PG/Memphis
7.) Golden State Warriors — Brandon Jennings, PG/United States of America
8.) New York Knicks — Jrue Holiday, PG/UCLA
9.) Toronto Raptors — DeMar DeRozan, SG/USC
10.) Milwaukee Bucks — Jordan Hill, PF/Arizona
11.) New Jersey Nets — Earl Clark, SF/Louisville
12.) Charlotte Bobcats — Austin Daye, SF/Gonzaga
13.) Indiana Pacers — Jonny Flynn, PG/Syracuse
14.) Phoenix Suns — Ty Lawson, PG/North Carolina
15.) Detroit Pistons — Terrence Williams, SG/Louisville
16.) Chicago Bulls — DeJuan Blair, PF/Pittsburgh
17.) Philadelphia 76ers — Eric Maynor, PG/VCU
18.) Minnesota Timberwolves — James Johnson, PF/Georgia Tech
19.) Atlanta Hawks — B.J. Mullens, C/Ohio State
20.) Utah Jazz — Jeff Teague, PG/Wake Forest
21.) New Orleans Hornets — Chase Budinger, SG/Arizona
22.) Dallas Mavericks — Gerald Henderson, SG/Duke
23.) Sacramento Kings — Sam Young, SF/Pittsburgh
24.) Portland Trailblazers — DaJuan Summers, SF/Georgetown
25.) Oklahoma City Thunder — Tyler Hansbrough, PF/North Carolina
26.) Chicago Bulls — Derrick Brown, SF/Xavier
27.) Memphis Grizzlies — Damion James, SF/Texas
28.) Minnesota Timberwolves — Wayne Ellington, SG/North Carolina
29.) Los Angeles Lakers — Darren Collison, PG/UCLA
30.) Cleveland Cavaliers — Taj Gibson, PF/USC
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions
My word. How on Earth do you come up with 17 mock drafts?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes, you just have to shift people around until you (temporarily) find the perfect fit.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
is Harden that good?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
He’s personally third on both my big board and my mock draft and I think he is that good. He doesn’t have that athleticism that scouts would rave about, but he can definitely score and has a knack for it. I’m not sure about his size, though. He’s an undersized shooting guard.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They could trade down. It’s a possibility. A team really interested in Ricky Rubio could go up to grab him with that pick.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
HUH??
Tyler Hansbrough #25 ??? You must be a racist
I am not a racist.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re killing me smalls.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, isn’t Jonny Flynn good enough for you?
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That I am happy about. But still with the Rubio dropping. Simply not going to happen.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
With concerns over his strength, shooting and buyout, Ricky Rubio has gone from the consensus number two pick to one of the many wild cards.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Boo research. Yay making obsolete claims!
Thank you for Jonny Flynn. If you could give us Blake Griffin that would be appreciated. Imagine a front line of Griffin and Hibbert for the next decade. Yeah. I just drooled a bit too.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
If Blair is on the board and the Pacers don’t take him, I will be upset.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The Pacers should take TYLER HANSBOROUGH!!!
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I really want Dejuan Blair. I love him so much. He is a monster. I was legitimately scared he would eat the Villanova team after that loss.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 16, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Here is an interesting article about possible trouble with the Warriors and there are some draft rumors if you scroll down.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 16, 2009 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey is David Romer, the dude at the top fo this post, the hubbie of Christina Romer, current econ superstar for the Obama cab?
I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
Ken
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, Giada gave a UCLA commencement speech?
Why can’t we get anyone good?
I’m giving a comencement speech tomorrow night @ UCLA and I’m SUPER nervous….yikes! I hope I won’t freeze up.. …
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Alright, I am officially definitely going to bow to UCLA on this one. If Giada gave our commencement ceremony I daresay I would pee myself.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
is this dumb or what?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/inalameda/detail?&entry_id=41739
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Top Five CGB Handles
5. BeastMode – More useful than ServiceMode, more exciting than TepidMode, more delicious than AlaMode, he is unadulterated power with two helpings of brute force, raw meat, and culvert-sized thigh muscles as he forces his way into the endzone with every crushing post.
4. LeonPowe – a legend in real life, a legend on the internet. His posts are well-positioned, his fanshots are all from 3-points, and all his comments are slam dunks.
3. Moscow Doug – A bleak city in a bleak country, and a name as exciting as hummus. Worn. With. Pride. Kudos to you, sir, for your fandom in spite of the crushing weight of the Politburo, twelve thousand mile distance, and constant monitoring by the Speznaz because none of your teams’ colors wear red.
2. Rated-R Superstar – His comments are either too violent, too offensive, too sexual or too full of swears for normal blogs. Also because PG-13 and NC-17 Superstar just don’t have the same ring.
1. Holmoephobe - Slur gays? Never. Slur curry? Definitely. The hatred for bad coaching and generically named South Asian food abounds with trademark subcontinent spunk in every post by this reader. Congrats, sir, your unoffensively offensive and witty name is tops in CGB.
-Spaz
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I had a feeling the “Real Men of Genius” track was playing in the background when you wrote this.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Mr. In-The-Car-Nosepicker
haha. I should have ended each one with something like “so crack open a Bud Light, o nabber of the nose nugget. We’d shake your hand, but only if you wash it first.”
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 15, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
who’s Moscow Doug? He posts here?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
“Now that is sensational.”
~Hubie Brown
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
BeastMode: very solid name. Looking for something better than solid? It don’t get to much better than solid.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno. That one poster “FaceinBrocksarmpit” or something was a pretty hilarious user name.
www.californiagoldenblogs.com
Agreed. His is my favorite user name within CGB.
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
by Berkelium97 on Jun 15, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
damn, forgot about him…
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2009 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Final Comment
Would the decision to go for it on 4th down possibly be influenced by 1)current score of the game and 2) how much time left in he game.
No.
I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!
www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
what if an integral player has lower GI issues?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Why reference me in this situation? Completely irrelevant.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 15, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this Romer article is good. It’s probably right in that coaches should go for it more often on 4th down, however, it also is just looking at things in the grand scheme of things over the long run. It’s not taking into account other factors, as you suggest, and thus I do think the “JUST GO FOR IT!” mentality should not rule.
www.californiagoldenblogs.com
I do think it should rule. Punting is boring when Anger’s not doing it. I’d abolish punts.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 15, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Done!
At least by this high school coach who is living the Romer analysis.
This team doesn’t punt AND they have “seven different kinds of onside kicks.”
Marshawnthusiastic Jahvidtician and member of the PRileytariat.
by Ohio Bear on Jun 15, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
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