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Some Cal Goodies From Erin

Erin of Erin's Cal Goodies fame has some new information about Memorial Stadium's Renovation.  Click on the link for all the information, but here are some highlights. 

1.  Playing surface will be lowered.

2.  Capacity will be diminished.

3.  Cal will, most likely, play 2011 either at the Coliseum or Candlestick.

4.  More information about a timeline and potential likelihood for a lawsuit over Phase II of the Renovations.

5.  Further details on the financing of the whole renovation.

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There is a lot to unpack here.  We thought this would be a good jumping off point for discussion.    Read and come back and tell us, what are your thoughts on the Memorial Stadium Renovations. 

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A few months ago my firm was having an office lunch, and they started discussing the work to be done at memorial. apparently, they are going to raise memorial stadium and place it on rollers, to ease earthquake problems.

Does anyone know if the Panoramic Hills association is planning on another lawsuit, I thought the issues presented were resolved in the last case?

I hope when they lower the field, they solve the drainage problems we saw in the Oregon game last year.

They're after our precious bodily fluids

by chowder on Apr 30, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

IIRC, the judge stated in her initial ruling that Cal could use “any reasonable valuation” (or something like that) to determine how much Memorial is worth and submit it in their response if they wanted to go ahead with the.minor elements of the project (including the famous grade beam) that the judge considered changes to Memorial. Cal decided instead to remove them from the project and avoid the valuation issue altogether.

I wouldn’t put anything past the PHA, but they got so thoroughly abused by UC’s legal team that let’s hope they’ve learned their lesson. If not, let’s hope there will be enough lead time to smack them around in court again without delaying the project.

Hibernating until next season.

by OskiMonsta on Apr 30, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not exactly. The stadium will essentially be sliced into separate blocks, and each block will sit on a plastic sheet that should insulate it from any earth movement below. The blocks might move, but the entire structure won’t rip itself apart.

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by Oznog on Apr 30, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

regardless of the legal failures and zero case....

the nutters on the hill will be filing lawsuits over every phase of the renovation, even phases that make no exterior changes to the stadium. Up here in Davis, a lawsuit is filed over every bit of construction that is within two blocks of a single family home, or on the university’s property.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Apr 30, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ø Evidently the City of Berkeley has informally said that it will not participate in a lawsuit about the Memorial Stadium renovation, which would mean that the Panoramic Hill Association (or whomever else) would have to post a bond to file such a lawsuit. Approval from the UC Regents should come this year and any lawsuit would need to be filed shortly thereafter.

That leads me to believe that there are several barriers to bringing a lawsuit that could be difficult to overcome.

I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!

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by TwistNHook on Apr 30, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

footnote

I myself did not attend this meeting and hear this information first hand. I have copied the thoughts verbatim from Steve Harris ’93 whom I trust completely. So, I will not be able to argue or answer any points as this is all I have to offer!

Well, I have my opinions of course… I might come back with those… ;)

by OskiWeeWee on Apr 30, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I demand an argument!

the Maharg is above catch phrases

by Maharg on Apr 30, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Argument!

Hibernating until next season.

by OskiMonsta on Apr 30, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

thank you! awesome piece. I hope they get the Coliseum…the only levaraging point might be the fact that the Coliseum may be out a tenant (the A’s) in the next ~5-10 years (or never unless Uncle Lew pays Bud Selig…which he could).

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 30, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

It actually seems entirely possible for 1,000-1,200 people (families, investors) to buy 2-3 seats within a 3 year period. Now that’s been made clear, I’m much less worried about this financing problem.

I won’t be doing it unless the lotto happens to come to my house personally and gives me a oversized novelty check.

Honk if you think Rags is great!

by AndBears on Apr 30, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

I forget, what is the amount for 1 ticket. Is it $250,000?

I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!

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by TwistNHook on Apr 30, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if young alums will get a one year extension for their ticket eligibility to make up for the season in exile?

by turkey on Apr 30, 2009 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

worth the read

I just got a ton of information that interests me while only investing 3mins of my time. Erin is a good writer.

How does Cal pay for all this? The 3,000 seats in the ESP program are expected to raise enough money to finance the renovation and all 27 sports in Cal Athletics going forward. What if the economy’s terrible enough that 3,000 people don’t buy in? Here’s the rub: it’s not 3,000 people that need to buy in… it’s realistically about 1,200, since most people will buy 2-3 seats in the program. They’re at 25% capacity now and really need to sell about 90% of capacity by the time the stadium renovation is complete (i.e., 2012 or 2013), NOT this summer, when the letter of intent period ends. So the bottom line is that Cal needs 1,000 – 1,200 new accounts to be initiated in the next three years for this project to work. Will it work? We’ll see!

by danzig on Apr 30, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Steve wrote it! Erin copied his work.

by zoonews on Apr 30, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Steve actually writes these newsletters throughout the Fall and Spring, with a few updates during the summer. If I remember correctly, his football newsletters are intended to be at most two pages long, with enough information about Cal goings-on to keep someone informed enough to carry on a conversation (preview of an upcoming game, review of the last game, updates with the team/coaches/stadium/etc.).
Great guy, and he and his wife are already training his kids to be proper Golden Bears. It’s kind of hilarious.

by Yes We Cannon on Apr 30, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

email me directly at CAA

and i’ll forward your email to Steve if you want to receive his email newsletters directly. They are very informative. Yes, he still sends emails the old fashioned way. I heard it still happens. ;)

erin.proudfoot@alumni.berkeley.edu

Oh noes, now you know who i am. ;)

by OskiWeeWee on Apr 30, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually already get the emails and have known who you are since your Emerald Bowl post a while back. : )

by Yes We Cannon on Apr 30, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad timing. Poor economy when Cal needs lots 1000 to 1200 people to plop down $250k.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Apr 30, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

only 3k seats in the program?

I feel much better about it’s potential for success then. The original information I remember made it seem like most season ticket seats were going to be part of the program, and that would be a non-starter when all our games are on the tube.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Apr 30, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I first heard of the program, I wasn’t that excited about it. Are there really 3,000 people who can afford to pay $250k for football tickets for the next 30 years? I don’t think so. Not in this economy, and not when Cal hasn’t even been to a Rose Bowl yet in the Tedford era. If Cal does make a Rose Bowl in the next few years, and the economy really turns around to the point where lots of people have a lot of disposal cash, then perhaps it will succeed.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Apr 30, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

But, as Erin noted, its not 3,000 people. Its 3,000 seats. Which might be more like 1,200 to 1,500 people. Your points about the economy are still as accurate as ever, but it makes me more hopeful they might succeed.

I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!

www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com

by TwistNHook on Apr 30, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just hope they don’t end up being corporate buyers.

BEAU SWEENEY DRINKS ZIMA

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 30, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not? I have a hard time caring how exactly the money makes it to Cal as long as it makes it to Cal.

I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!

www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com

by TwistNHook on Apr 30, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our alums are quiet enough…having corporate people in the stands would just be the silent icing on the quiet cake.

BEAU SWEENEY DRINKS ZIMA

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 30, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess if I had a choice between having $250,000.00 for the program or loud alumni (and again I’m not sure these are as mutually exclusive as you might think), I’d choose the $250,000.00 for the program.

I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!

www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com

by TwistNHook on Apr 30, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather just have alumni with 250k…

BEAU SWEENEY DRINKS ZIMA

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 30, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are we to allow the perfect to get in the way of the possible?

I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!

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by TwistNHook on Apr 30, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are we really having this argument? I’m just saying I’d rather have alumni pony up the 250k than corporations, and that I would be disappointed if 3000 prime seats were filled with businesspeople impressing their clients who couldn’t give a shit about the game…

BEAU SWEENEY DRINKS ZIMA

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 30, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I am saying that I’d rather have alumni pony up the 250k than corporations and would be ELATED if 3,000 prime seats were filled.

I am the Tyrant Boy King Of UC Eugene! An endless cavalcade of worthless inanities is my currency!

www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com

by TwistNHook on Apr 30, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Practice and Recruiting

I’m really curious what is going to be done about practice during that season in exile. I’m under the impression that a lot of D1 schools have separate practice fields on campus that they use, but Cal doesn’t really have anything like this; as far as I know, there are really no other football fields in the area.

Also, does this have any effect, positive or negative on recruiting? I can imagine recruits being shown around campus and, when they reach the stadium, either being put off by the fact that it looks like a mess, or encouraged by the fact that the University is spending so much time and money on the football program.

Alright, fine, I admit it! "Hydration Technician" really DOES just mean "water boy!"

by giantfan5 on Apr 30, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I think when recruits see active construction, and you show them pretty architectural pictures of what it will look like when completed, telling them it will be complete by the time they step on campus, I think that can only help with recruiting.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Apr 30, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can totally see them moving to Edwards or Maxwell

BEAU SWEENEY DRINKS ZIMA

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 30, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can also see a situation where the stadium is unfit for hosting events, but the field itself is still usable for practice.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Apr 30, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

so…basically the way it is now.

BEAU SWEENEY DRINKS ZIMA

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 30, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Zing!

Ouch.

Stand the whole game, stay to the end, and start yelling while they're still in the huddle. GO BEARS

by JerrottWillard45 on May 1, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good news, generally, I think

I suspected the Panoramic Hill NIMBYs were playing their cards way too early, and it’s nice to hear that still seems to be the case. Not having the City on their side is a big blow.

The Coliseum would be convenient, and Candlestick would be fun. But the antiquarian in me still would love to see Kezar brought back to life.

It sounds like Erin Oski Wee Wee can’t answer this, but does anyone know about the prospect of views from Tightwad Hill being blocked? Still an issue—if indeed it ever was—or has this been resolved?

Above all else, it’s great to hear that the modifications to Memorial will be minimal, at least in terms of altering its overall character. Indoor plumbing and a minimum or seismic safety would be nice; otherwise, Memorial is fine as is. I absolutely hate how sports venues have been transformed into luxury shopping-and-entertainment complexes, even when does as skillfully as the Giants’ park.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Apr 30, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m within 2 blocks of Kezar from my office.

The Niners had a couple of scrimmages at Kezar during the Nolan regime, no? Is the field 100 yards or 80 yards to allow for 2 10 yard endzones?

Kezar has the Wrigley Field feel to it (old nestled ballpark surrounded by apartments).

Too bad it hasn’t been spruced up to bring it to modern standards.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 30, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

have you read reviews on the New New Yankee Stadium? If you haven’t, don’t do it…it’s not good for your health.

Fans can pick up a cut of raw meat from a butcher on the way out.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 30, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I have read some of the feedback on the House that Ruth No Longer Built. A true American tragedy, even in the eyes of a Yankees hater such as myself. I heard the Dallas Cowboys new stadium will be even worse—yet such excess somehow seems appropriate for that team and city. If nothing else, the stadium will match Jerry Jones’ plastic face.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Apr 30, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed, i don't know

but i’m pretty sure it’s not a priority for obvious reasons. i’m getting the feeling Athletics needs money and wants people to pay for their seats. :D

by OskiWeeWee on Apr 30, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Simple: Play our games at Berkeley High

Every game we rush the field after every play. Because we don’t have enough space to all stand on the sidelines.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash Kunnath on Apr 30, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Well the Yellowackets practice at Memorial every once in a while….
It’s a nice field, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cal practices there every now and then while the stadium is being renovated because Witter/Maxwell/Edwards are so occupied with the 20 other sports teams that play and practice outdoors….It’s the only other turf field in Berkeley and it’s 2 blocks from campus.

Go Bears!

by RollOnYouBears667 on May 4, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t remember where I heard this, I think maybe even CBKWit told me this, but I heard that Candlestick was more likely than the Coliseum since the Coliseum already hosts the Raiders and the As.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Apr 30, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

ESP program

I live in the LA area and share a pair of seats with a buddy who lives in Oakland. I make it to two or three home games a season. Our seats are good, around the 35 yardline or so, definitely in the zone of the new ESP remodel. Problem for me is I cannot justify a 30+ year commitment to seats with little kids in the house and a challenging economy. It is hard to look five years down the road with any confidence. A rep at Cal assured me that they would buy out any contract for the seats if I chose to let them go, but they have no assurances for that in writing. I’m thinking I will just keep my current seats through 2010 and get moved to the 15-20 yardline for 2012.

by 1988goldenbear on Apr 30, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't like the sound of a smaller stadium

It was awesome when we had ~70-80k people in the stadium for the Oregon 06, Tennessee and USC 07 games.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on May 1, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think I’m ok with less seats if the seats are wider.

There were people behind me arguing for most of the Stanfurd game regarding their seat size. The family of four had to put their 5 y/o on their lap because this guy was insistant upon sitting in his assigned Seat 23. Not fun.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on May 1, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither do I

The estimate is 63k people. Huge drop from our current 72-75k max. Lame. I take pride in our large stadium, and the ability to fill it (sometimes). Stanfurd shrunk theirs by a lot, and they suck. Don’t be like Stanfurd.

Stand the whole game, stay to the end, and start yelling while they're still in the huddle. GO BEARS

by JerrottWillard45 on May 1, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I dunno, I disagree. I think a consistently at-capacity 62k seat stadium looks better than a 10% empty 72k seat stadium. Granted, the few 72k sellouts were special but they were few and far between.

BEAU SWEENEY DRINKS ZIMA

by Spazzy Mcgee on May 1, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t sound to me like the capacity loss will be quite so dramatic. Memorial doesn’t really have a hard-and-fast “official capacity”, and the 2008 media guide listed it as “at least” 67,000. Thus, it sounds to me like we’re looking at a loss of no more than 5000 permanent seats. And just as in the past, I don’t see why they couldn’t squeeze 70,000-plus into the renovated stadium—maybe with temporary bleachers along the east rim a la the Big Game 1930. Moreover, 63,000 is still a relatively large capacity, and close to what was originally planned for the site.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on May 1, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my mind, I kind of have four ‘levels’ of stadium capacities:

Teeny/FCS: 15k-40k (Furd, SJSU)
Medium: 40-60k (Autzen, Maryland)
Big: 60-90k (Memorial, Kyle Field)
Ginormatron: 85k+ (OSU, Swamp)

As long as we stay in the “big” category I’m happy.

BEAU SWEENEY DRINKS ZIMA

by Spazzy Mcgee on May 1, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok, big should range from 60-85k or it doesn’t make sense

BEAU SWEENEY DRINKS ZIMA

by Spazzy Mcgee on May 1, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

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