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2009 Spring Game Recap

Here are my thoughts from today's spring game practice:

(1)  Defense is further along than the offense.  This isn't entirely unexpected.  Our defense is probably more talented than the offense and they have more experience returning than the offense.  The defense got the best of the offense throughout the day except for perhaps 5 big offensive plays.  Runs were getting minimal gains.  Passing was limited to mostly short hitches.  Few deep passes were completed.  Lots of pressure was getting to the QB from blitzes. 

Speaking of blitzes...

(2) Gregory seemed to bringing a lot of pass rushers.  This wasn't a more passive defense out there today.  Instead the defense was fairly aggressive.  Quite frequently the defense attacked with 5 to 6 pass rushers and was able to pressure the QBs and sack the QBs.  Could this be a clue into the defense's position on the conservativeness/aggressiveness spectrum?  I think so. 

(3) Riley looked just "okay."  If my memory serves me correctly, Riley was working with the second team today.  His performance today was just okay.  He didn't really stand out.  But he wasn't horrible.  His most memorable play today was probably an incompletion.  On this particular play, he had Boateng open in the south-east corner of the field.  Boateng was running towards the south-east corner and his defender was a good 10 yards away from him.  Riley saw him open, unleashed the throw, and it fell short of Boateng.  This wasn't an issue of arm strength, but merely that Riley mis-estimated the power of the throw as well as Riley perhaps was just trying too hard to not miss the throw because Boateng was so open. 

I discussed Riley's performance today with CBKWit, and we both seemed to agree that Riley didn't quite seem as decisive with the ball as one of the other QBs (I will get to this later).  Riley seemed to be holding onto the ball a little longer than he should.  By "longer than he should" I mean that nobody was open so you should either tuck it and run or throw the ball away.  It appeared as if Riley was looking and looking and looking and looking.... waiting for somebody to get open.  Understandably, if nobody is open you probably shouldn't throw the ball to a receiver.  But as I said earlier, at some point, you have to tuck it and run or throw it away. 

Today was my first time seeing Riley in action since last season.  I've read the practice reports from Okanes, and BearTerritory.net, etc., and everyone has made it sound like Riley was the best QB of the bunch thus far.  After reading that, and seeing Riley's performance today, I was disappointed.  Maybe the media has hyped up Riley a bit too much in the past few weeks, or maybe Riley just had an off day, but he certainly didn't live up to the expectations that I had set after reading about how he has consistently out-performed the other QBs this spring.

Star-divide

(4) Mansion looked "okay".  I wish I could say something more about the guy since he has an awesome party yacht and the media has made it sound like he's been surpassed by Sweeney, but I can't really say Mansion did great or really stood out today either. 

I really don't have any memories of him today - not good ones at least.  The one bad memory I have is Mansion's interception.  The offense was working a mayday situation where the offense is down by two points and starts out about mid-field.  There are only 49 seconds on the clock.  The QBs must lead the offense to a field-goal or touchdown.  On one particular play, Mansion threw a deep ball to a WR on a deep post.  The 40 yard (estimated) pass was a beautiful spiral that was overthrown by perhaps 3 to 5 feet.  The ball was just high enough to be outside of the jumping reach of the WR, and in perfect position for Cattouse to intercept the ball - which he did.  Was that throw a bad throw?  Well, I think it was a low probability throw.  The WR wasn't really that open.  Cattouse had over-the-top coverage and was staying with the WR.  I believe there was an underneath defender in the general area too.  It was a tough throw.  Mansion missed the throw but not by a lot.  If the pass was only 3 to 5 feet shorter, that could have easily been a touchdown too.

Actually, one good memory I have is a great throw by Mansion to WR Alex Lagemann on a seam route.  This was early on in the practice and was a pretty decent 20-25 yard gain or so.

Despite the Cal fan consensus that Mansion is a QB who will take off and run the ball (this idea spawned from Mansion's highschool highlights), I can't remember Mansion taking off once.  I could have sworn I read a quote from Tedford a few weeks ago where he described Mansion as a more traditional dropback passer (Note: I can't find that quote.  I could be mis-remembering things and be wrong.  Does anyone else remember one of the media outlets quoting Tedford saying something like that?), and right now, I'd have to agree that Mansion seems to more of a dropback pocket QB. 

On the other hand....

(5) Beau Sweeney has some pocket elusiveness and escapability.   First off, let me say that I thought Sweeney looked like the best QB today.  Note that I am saying the "best."  I'm not saying he did "great" today, but merely that he was the best out of Riley, Mansion and him.  Overall, I would describe his performance as "good."   He was decisive.  He got the ball out on-time and was rarely, if ever, caught looking too long down the field.  He seemed to have that "internal timer" of aware QBs who know when to run when the pocket is breaking down and/or nobody is open.  Sweeney consistently eluded defenders, escaped collapsing pockets, and even scrambled for (positive) yards.

Someone on Twitter asked us during the practice whether Sweeney had good zip on his ball.  It appears as he does.  I do remember a few plays in particular where Sweeney threw some absolute bullets at WRs.  Also, Sweeney threw a beautiful 40+ yard deep bomb touchdown to Ross.  The offense was driving north.  Ross was on the east side of the field.  Sweeney recognized man-coverage on Ross and no safety help.  Sweeney dropped back, and threw a perfectly placed ball into the back north-east corner of the endzone where Ross caught it after using his speed to put about 4 yards of separation between him and his defender.  All the while, Ross was looking right into the sun for the ball.  That was perhaps the best offensive play of the game right there.  The throw was beautifully placed.

Sweeney also had a great little ad lib shovel pass on a scramble.  On one particular passing play the pocket broke down.  So Sweeney escaped to his left, was about to run but then saw he was getting cut off by approaching defenders.  Having not passed the line of scrimmage yet, Sweeney shoveled the ball back to his right towards the interior of the field and across the line of scrimmage to an open receiver for a small.  Although it was a small gain, this play showed Sweeney's pocket presence (ability to feel when the pocket was breaking down), his escapability (his ability to escape a collapsing pocket), his vision (for seeing the open receiver), and his ability to ad lib. 

We did tweet (a "tweet" is the name for a status update on Twitter) that Sweeney was intercepted.  On this particular play, he was actually hit while he was throwing which caused the ball to pop up and prime for intercepting.  Indeed the ball was intercepted and returned for a touchdown with some great blocking by the Cal defenders.  I can't remember who on defense it was, but someone absolutely laid out an offensive player who was attempting to run down the defensive ballcarrier.  Anyways, the main point here is that Sweeney's interception wasn't the case of a "bad throw" or "bad decision" but more of a "back luck" type of play. 

(5) Anger looked good.  He was booming punts.  Nothing new here.  I suppose it's ironic how his abilities are so spectacular, but not at all surprising at the same time since we know what he's capable of. 

(6) Kickoff depth looked "good."  I wouldn't say it was great because they weren't going into the endzone.  In fact, Ragnarok reminded me that only the opening kickoff went into the endzone (via the leg of Tavecchio).  But the rest of the kickoffs were at around the 5 to 10 yardline which was good. None of the kickoffs went out of bounds.

(7) Seawright looks shaky.  Perhaps he still needs more time to recover from his injury but today he missed a PAT.  He did make an 11 yard field goal later on but I noticed that he didn't seem to quite have great height on that particular kick.  The height on that kick wasn't so low as to be alarming but it didn't seem to have the elevation that is ideal.  With low kicks there is always the possibility of a block. 

(8) Tavecchio's range on field goals is probably at most about 30 yards out.  Today Tavecchio had the chance to attempt a 52 and 50 yard field goals.  The distance I am giving here is actual yardage which means the distance from the ball to the back of the endzone.  In other words +17 yards from the line of scrimmage.  Why 17 yards?  Well, the endzone is 10 yards deep and the ball is placed 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage for field goals.  So if the ball is on the 35 yardline, the actual distance of the kick is 52 yards (35+17).  Of course, this is just the straight line distance and doesn't account for the height of the field goal cross bar which is 10 feet high.  So in reality, to make a field goal from the 35 yard line, you really have to be able to kick the ball around 60 yards (35+17+extra distance for height of cross bar). 

Tavecchio missed both the 50 and 52 yard field goals.  The distance appeared too long with his balls falling short as well as off-target.  So in other words, should Tavecchio be our starting kicker, Cal will need to get the ball to the 30 yardline at minimum to attempt a field goal that isn't too long. 

(9) Less new stuff.  As you all know, we can't post pictures of formations from closed practices.  Also, we can't post pictures of formations from Spring Game either despite it being an "open" practice (remember the CGB spygate incident in 2008?).  Nor can we describe formations on the internet (remember the BearInsider.com incident in 2006?  Or was it 2007? I can't remember). 

So here is where I now get vague.  I'd love to just show you a picture of what I saw.  But I can't.  I'd love to draw it out for you on photoshop, but I can't.  So let me just say this:

(a) I saw one new formation today.

(b) I saw less "Cignetti" stuff from 2008.  A lot of the "Cignetti" formations from 2008 were gone. 

(c) I saw the TEs being used in a more 2006-ish  and 2007-ish manner. 

(d) 12 personnel (double tight end sets) does appear to be making a return.

To me, from viewing today's scrimmage, I think our offense is reverting back a little bit more towards the "pro" side of the pro-style/spread-offense spectrum.  I came to this conclusion from observing what formations were used; examining the particular plays which were called out of the formations; and by comparing these formations and plays to the plays which Tedford himself has called before in the past.  Furthermore, the new formation I saw today is very much a traditional pro-style formation. 

I remember at last year's Spring Game practice, there was a ton of new formations that Cignetti was tinkering with.  Some made it into the regular playbook and some didn't.  The spring is the time to experiment with new stuff so you can decide whether to implement it into the regular playbook.  Because I saw so little new stuff today, I can't help but conclude that Ludwig isn't bringing in a lot of new stuff or looking to change a lot.

If you remember my Spring Football Quick Hitters post, you'll know that I theorized that Tedford might be wishing to return to a slightly more pro style offense.  From what I saw today, I see this as early validation of my theory.  But it still is early.  It's just spring.  It isn't fall yet.  The season hasn't started yet.  Things could change.  But I wouldn't be surprised if the offense we see in 2009 is more of that "Tedford's Offense" that we saw in the glory days of Aaron Rodgers.

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Good recap but...

Did you really think that Sweeney was better than Mansion? Sure I agree Sweeney had the “vision” and escapbility but when it came to things QBs did (you know throw the ball?) I felt as if Mansion was a bit better. Outside of the TD to Ross I wasn’t wowed by him (though the shovel pass to Vereen was nice).

I could’ve sword that Tavechio had a 40yd-ish FG?

But chances are you’re right and I’m wrong.

Oh btw you forgot to mention that Syd’Quan is now a WR on offense. I can prove it. I saw #5 catch a TD pass.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Apr 18, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, RR, I merely offer my opinion from one practice with one viewing. I wish I had the practice film so I could watch it through many times since it’s hard to see everything with just one quick run-through all the while being distracted by TwistNHook because he can’t figure out how to text on a cellphone. I am certainly not an expert on football. My memory is spotty. Reasonable minds may differ on who they think did the best today. All in all, I just offer my opinion to the best of my abilities.

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by HydroTech on Apr 18, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

where the hell were you? I didn’t see you there (but you were there judging by this post)

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Apr 18, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree that Beau looked the best today, and it has surprised me how good he’s been over the course of practice. That said, I don’t think he’s been better than Riley or Mansion throughout spring, and I’d expect to see him remain a very strong third-stringer during the season. Incidentally, while I agree about Mansion being a dropback pocket passer, he has had several plays this spring where he has run for touchdowns when the offense was in the redzone, so he does have some good mobility.

One guy I noticed from the sidelines was Mychal Kendricks. He was all over the place making plays, and had some nice tackles. Marc Anthony had an excellent pass breakup, and looked good overall, I thought.

Also, Marvin Jones deserves a mention for a nice kick return he had. Looks like our kick return game should be fairly strong this season.

Alright, fine, I admit it! "Hydration Technician" really DOES just mean "water boy!"

by giantfan5 on Apr 18, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Does Mansion have more mobility than Nate? That’s the standard people should be judged by.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 18, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have more mobility than Nate

and thus, the bar should be set higher than that.

I still love Nate though.

by Sharkbit12 on Apr 18, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet even HydroTech wouuld’ve beat Nate in a 40 (if he was given a 10 yard head start, of course)

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 18, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m saying that he didn’t have the bare minimum amount of mobility required to be able to scramble for a few yards when everything breaks down. That’s what I mean. Can he get us a few yards when all else fails?

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I never saw Nate at practice, but I’m pretty sure Mansion is more mobile.

Alright, fine, I admit it! "Hydration Technician" really DOES just mean "water boy!"

by giantfan5 on Apr 18, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We were this close to screaming out HOW COULD YOU TAKE LINCECUM FIRST OVERALL?! But he struck out like 13 today so…there you go. Also we don’t know what you look like so we’d have been yelling in the general direction of the field.

WARNING:

TwistNHook

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 18, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should have done it!

Also, I realized I should have told you guys beforehand that I’d be the only HT wearing a hat…

Alright, fine, I admit it! "Hydration Technician" really DOES just mean "water boy!"

by giantfan5 on Apr 18, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if we had yelled at you to bring us water?

WARNING:

TwistNHook

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 18, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would have received a swift ice towel to the face.

Alright, fine, I admit it! "Hydration Technician" really DOES just mean "water boy!"

by giantfan5 on Apr 18, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that sounds refreshing…

WARNING:

TwistNHook

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 18, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A hat! Now, I know who you are!

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by TwistNHook on Apr 18, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blast!

I’ve been discovered!

Alright, fine, I admit it! "Hydration Technician" really DOES just mean "water boy!"

by giantfan5 on Apr 18, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should have responded earlier to Rags and my discussion about taking Lincecum first overall!!

the Maharg is above catch phrases

by Maharg on Apr 20, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something I’m concerned about with drop back passers is their ability to sell the play after the hand off.
If a QB just pulls up and just looks around after the handoff then the LBs know he doesn’t have the ball. Same thing with the fake hand off. Every play, he needs to pick an LB to try to fool.

How was Mansion’s acting?

Stanfurd Delendum Est.

by Olsonist on Apr 19, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much of Sweeney’s success would you attribute to playing against the 3s on defense? I have a feeling that the 3s are significantly less formidable than the 1s and that the 2s often have 1st team guys rotating in and out.

Someone mentioned Eddie Young doing a nice job at OLB on Rivals… Did you see this, or did you concentrate mostly on offense?

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 18, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

actually

Tedford was recently quoted saying that he needs to get all the QBs some work on the first team, because pass protection is often pretty shaky with the 3s. Sweeney was probably at a disadvantage playing with/against the threes, not the other way around.

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by CBKWit on Apr 19, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mostly concentrated on the offense to look for new formations, and QB play.

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by HydroTech on Apr 19, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

riley

I sure hope he figures it out over the summer. After watching him struggle last year and reading the analysis so far this spring, he doesn’t have “it” yet. Does Mansion have less than 10 snaps experience? Does Sweeney have any at all?

by 1988goldenbear on Apr 18, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

lol @ Bearinsider article
Cameron Jordan, who’s a walking reminder that we don’t have enough fun in our lives,

Awesome article, anyway.

WARNING:

TwistNHook

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 18, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There was a point right before the scrimmage where Tepper and Jordan were faking line play, and they started playing patty-cake. It was pretty hilarious.

by Shadwhand on Apr 19, 2009 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Okanes:

That being said, if Mansioin’s rate of improvement continues like it did during the past week, who knows? On Saturday, he was 9-for-11 for 94 yards and a touchdown with one interception. He started the scrimmage with the second team and led the offense on a 70-yard touchdown drive, going 5-for-5 for 75 yards in the process. He completed the possession with a 1-yard touchdown pass to Alex Lagemann.

Sweeney was just 4-for-10 for 64 yards and a touchdown and interception. His best moment came on a nicely thrown sideline pass to Jeremy Ross that went for a 36-yard touchdown. His worst was when he was hit by linebacker Chris Little (more on him later) as he threw and had his pass intercepted by safety D.J. Campbell, who then returned it 73 yards for a touchdown.

I thought it was interesting because most people here seemed to believe that Sweeney was the most effective QB today.

by Sharkbit12 on Apr 18, 2009 11:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That is interesting. Stats hide things and aren’t completely stand alone reliable especially with such a small sample size. Nevertheless, the stats show that Mansion had a great game. I think the reason why perhaps Mansion wasn’t that memorable to me was because his passes, for the most part, were mostly fairly short passes (such as curls). In other words, he didn’t have a huge standout play but had a good string of smaller completions which clearly added up for some great stats.

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by HydroTech on Apr 19, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one passes downfield in CFB anymore

/slaps forehead

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

I stand by the fact that I think Mansion was better overall

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Apr 19, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While Mansion did have better stats than Sweeney, it’s such a small sample size that I don’t really think much can be inferred from the mere statistics alone. I mean, if Sweeney had even completed one more attempt, he would have been 5/10 which is fair. Two more completions he would have been 6/10 which is solid. Three more and he would have been 7/10 which is great. So my point is that only one or two more completions, and we’d be singing a different tune. So I think the best way to evaluate the QBs isn’t so much the statistics, but, as I’ve always suggest, that you have to just watch their performance and see how well they do. Stats are just stats and hide some of the smaller intricacies of quarterbacking. They also hide WR drops and bad luck factors such as Sweeney getting hit while throwing resulting in an INT. I mean, that right there, you might as well throw that pass out of the statistical analysis and thus Sweeney was 4/9 which instantly makes his performance (statistically) slightly better.

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by HydroTech on Apr 19, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One correction

pretty sure that Mansion played with the twos and Riley was on the first team.

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by CBKWit on Apr 19, 2009 12:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you’re right. Riley was working against the starting defense which is tough. That definitely was probably the biggest hindrance to his performance today.

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by HydroTech on Apr 19, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anger looked the best to me

followed by #5 Langerman and that guy #4 Little even tho he was playing with and against 2s and 3s. Little was all over the place. Cattouse of course seems to be where ever the ball is.

QBs looked about the same to me. Mansion looked good on first drive with that seam pass! but those 3 penalties in a row looked bad but that was with and against second teams.

First team D looked very quick first time.

by calas on Apr 19, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps I'm over-reacting

But here’s to hoping our defense sees the field more than our offense next year. Riley looked pedestrian. Sweeney looked ok. Mansion looked like he was lost. I found myself hoping Wertenberger was the great white hope.

With the NFL Draft looming, do you think we can trade Anger and a couple of picks to the Packers to get Rodgers back?

Oh well – here’s to hoping they do enough over the summer to pull it together. At least I was able to wander up to the rugby match after scrimmage and watch the 67-0 drubbing of the Gophers.

by LovinBlue on Apr 19, 2009 8:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m guessing Riley won’t be pressured as much by most Ds as he is by our 1st team.

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t get why you think Mansion looked lost. I saw a sailed pass and an ill-advised pick, but otherwise he hit the open receiver.

Here’s the problem I see, even though he has more game experience and years in Tedford’s system, Riley isn’t pulling away with this at all. At this point, given his perceived talent, he should be solidly ahead of these guys, but he isn’t. I really don’t see how that’s going to change over the next few months. Hopefully Mansion and Sweeney can get a better grasp of the offense and develop some chemistry with the receivers because they have a good shot at winning this thing.

It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.

by BeastMode on Apr 19, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All psychological in my opinion. Just like Cal fans ruined Longshore, Riley may be ruined by all the open competition.

Longshore’s main problem, in my eyes, was that he cared to much and tried too hard. He rushed back after the OSU game to right the ship. He felt that the ship needed to be righted immediately, and began making poor decisions. He cared so much about the team rebounding that he kept trying to force things and make them happen. He didn’t let the game come to him. He had a desire to win so badly that he shook off his physical limitations and tried to do more than he could. The team kept losing, and there started to be some questions about maybe Riley should come in. Longshore tried even harder to make things happen because he wanted to win and he wanted to show people that he was the best QB. He kept trying to force more, when he shouldn’t have. Riley comes in, tears up Air Force, and we have a competition. Both QBs were so competitive last year that they were forcing things trying to exert their dominance as the definite number 1 guy. Both of their faults are psychological, because they try so hard to succeed. Now Riley is in an open competition this year as well and he is desperately trying to be The Man (I’m presuming). It is disappointing that these are our problems but it is true. I really think whoever booed Nate sucks, because he was the ultimate team player and all of his faults came from the desire to win the game so badly. For Riley, it is his desire to win the job so badly.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cal fans did not ruin Longshore.

by Tedfordisgod on Apr 19, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well it wasn’t the fans. But they certainly played a part.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. They didn’t.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair, I personally attacked Longshore in the knee.

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by TwistNHook on Apr 19, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think that none of his struggles were caused by public questioning of him? He wanted to show everyone how he could lead the team and be a good player. He just tried to hard. Look at how he was in a relatively stress free environment in 2006. Its not like he got worse, and for a sophomore he was pretty damn good in 06. If we had gotten that type of play when he was a senior then the season is very different.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what Nate you saw in 2006

But he was wildly inconsistent with his command from game to game. He oscillated between brilliant and bad much of the season.

Did Longshore receive excessive criticism? Perhaps, but it’s no different from any college football quarterback at a major program, and their games don’t vacillate that much. The ankle injury, the receivers running bad routes, the decreasing arm strength all were bigger issues to his decline as a Cal QB.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t watch all the games in 06. 07 was the first year that I watched every single game. I think a lot of Nate’s struggles had to do with trying to do too much, at least. He tried to thread the needle to hit the HR every time (double metaphor FTW).

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

10-3? Really?

WARNING:

TwistNHook

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 19, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

QB performance does not necessarily have a direct correlation with team performance

He struggled for much of the Wazzu/UW games, and was just plain bad in the final three games and the opener. He had five excellent games (Minnesota, Oregon, OSU, UCLA, A&M), but Longshore was only the fourth or fifth reason we won 10 games that year.

1) Marshawn/Forsett combo
2) Powerful run blocking
3) The Cal D interception machine
4) Desean
5) Longshore

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

QB performance does not necessarily have a direct correlation with team performance

That’s obvious, but I wouldn’t grade anything he did that year as “wildly inconsistent.” He had one fairly crappy game: Az (and UT, but … so did the rest of the team), but other than that, was pretty darn solid.

WARNING:

TwistNHook

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 19, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://cfbstats.com/2006/player/107/70231/passing/gamelog.html

Four games with a passer rating under 100, six games with a completion percentage under 55%. Two more games with a passer rating well below the mean.

Perhaps wildly inconsistent is the wrong term. He had a great first half and then a forgettable second half of the season. Which wasn’t much different from 2007.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m guessing 3/4 games with rating<100 were AZ, USC, and UT… I’d take his 06 performance on my team any day…

WARNING:

TwistNHook

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 19, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most teams would

That does not contradict the argument that he had struggles with his command in 2006 just like he did in 2007. The records were just different.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

INT/TD, 06 vs 07

WARNING:

TwistNHook

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 19, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Had to play a lot more from behind in 07 than in 06

Defenses keyed in more on the pass and the running game wasn’t as reliable this year.

There were way more routs in 2006 too. The team was more complete in 2006. Longshore didn’t really change much from year to year.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree

Aside from Tennessee, he was great in the beginning of 2006. He wasn’t as good later in the year, but he was better even against SC and Arizona than he was for most of 07. He hit a lot of throws in 06 – even in the beginning of 07, he was missing a lot.

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by CBKWit on Apr 19, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His completion percentage was under 50 percent the final 3 games, and I distinctly remember him struggling in the Washington games.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 20, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

you are correct, mostly. He wasn’t very good against WSU, and we was so so versus UW (he did lead a nice comeback in the 4th quarter though). He followed those two up with probably the best performance of his career, at home against UCLA. Two more eh/decent games against Arizona and SC, a so-so one in the Big Game wind tunnel, and then the great performance against A&M. I reiterate, he was great for the first half of the year save Tennessee (so 5 games) and then was average for the rest of the season except for two great performances.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by CBKWit on Apr 20, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, so 7 great/good games and 6 average/bad games.

In 2007, 6 great/good games, 5 average/bad games. Although the dropoff was steeper in the bad games that season, he did not suffer because the fans piled on him (which I believe was the original argument).

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 20, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d say Cal fans have been especially harsh to Longshore, especially with attacks on his personal character and his Mormonism posted everywhere. He lost his father before the 2006 season too. A lot of the hatred has reached Ayoob levels even…

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

But the question is whether it directly affected his performance on the field. Other than him maybe slimming down to be more mobile this offseason, I see no evidence of it.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t get me wrong: I thought he played pretty well last year…. I mean, he passed very well at home against ASU and Oregon…. Had some really nice tosses in the first half against Zona…

I don’t think we’ll ever be able to have evidence for or against him being better than he was, given a supportive fanbase. My thought: I definitely don’t think it would’ve hurt. And the fanbase was decidedly unsupportive.

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, I’ve been saying this all along.

by zoonews on Apr 20, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Crosby wants to mess up at 3rd?

The only answer I can think of is yes.

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by TwistNHook on Apr 20, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People should say privately that maybe Crosby shouldn’t be put at 3rd. That’s fine. But don’t boo them in person. Show some class.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 20, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whats that last word?

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by TwistNHook on Apr 20, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honk.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 20, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want him to mess up at third...

but if I pay for a ticket with my own money for my team to entertain me (not NCAA sports, but professional sports) then I believe I can express my sadness – like when the Giants score like 6 runs in 5 days, I curse and curse but they know I still love them.

by CaliforniaCMB on Apr 20, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t boo individual players. Boo the whole team, sure, but when you single out a guy that’s when you get in trouble.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 20, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even in professional sports?

by CaliforniaCMB on Apr 22, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you should boo professional either. Boo a whole team if they aren’t performing, but don’t boo a guy like Crosby. If a guy is being a total dick and a clubhouse cancer you can probably boo, but what has Crosby done except not live up to our lofty expectations? It’s not fair to the guy. He wants to be the All-star we thought he would be as much as we want him to. He just hasn’t produced. Not booworthy.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 22, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like to boo professionals all the time.

“YOU CALL THAT AN OBJECTION??!?!? BOOOOO!”

“I’VE SEEN BETTER MOTIONS IN LIMINE IN MY OWN SHIT! GET OUTTA HERE!!!!”

It’s……………awkward.

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by TwistNHook on Apr 22, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

was is it you do again?

by CaliforniaCMB on Apr 23, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Longshore hatred exceed the Ayoob hatred… by FAR.

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by HydroTech on Apr 19, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some Cal fans are unbearable (NPI)

I have to be the only one with respect for the survivors of the Holmoecaust. Everyone else is getting tired of no Rose Bowls. I appreciate what Tedford has done, and a Rose Bowl will come.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It only exceeded it because it lasted longer. The Ayoob hatred was unbelievably vicious. Fans were booing him on the official walk to the stadium, yelling at him when he exited the locker room, etc.

The Longshore anger has just been simmering everywhere and more omnipresent because he was around for a longer time. I don’t think Nate was ever treated as badly by other people as Joe.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

Longshore never had it as bad as Ayoob did in the 05 sc game.

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by CBKWit on Apr 19, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what happened then?

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Apr 19, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

much worse.

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by CBKWit on Apr 20, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t Tedford publicly call him out? Didn’t really follow that year.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 20, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post

I wish Tedford had said “Riley is the guy”, and built our offense around him. It’s not like he can’t change it later. It’s not like the other guys can’t be motivated just b/c Riley is the Spring-announced number 1. He can be injured any day – do you want to be #2? Work hard for it. If Riley plays badly, the coach can always yank him – it’s not like he signs a contract with Riley by announcing he’s the guy. But it means a lot to Riley, and we could stop friggin’ talking about it and just get on with it.

He was too loyal to Longshore for too long, and now he won’t be loyal to Riley at all? How about something in between, please?

Stand the whole game, stay to the end, and start yelling while they're still in the huddle. GO BEARS

by JerrottWillard45 on Apr 21, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean, it’s been reported that he has outperformed the other QBs in almost every practice. He was going against the best D yesterday, and I think the 1st D>>2nd>>>>>>3rd at this point. I wouldn’t be too quick to judge the one scrimmage we saw with our own eyes.

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Offense takes more time to gel than the Defense does

Especially during Spring Ball when many players get subbed in and out constantly. Don’t read too much on it now. Wait till fall

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Apr 19, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially when our defense is awesome.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of all the things I'm most excited about next season
  1. on the list is probably watching Jordan, Alualu and Co. rushing the quarterback while Syd, Darian and Cat House lock down the secondary.

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by norcalnick on Apr 19, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahead of Jahvid???

Look, I love our defense and that is number 2 but you can’t be looking forward to that more than Yakety Sax highlights.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love me some sacks and turnovers

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by norcalnick on Apr 19, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe you mean: I love me some sax and turnovers

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a defense guy. I love just beating the life out of the opponent.

So, I’m looking forward to our D the most.

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

keep in mind that guarnero and tepper are coming back from injuries, and getting back into the thick of things this spring. And guarnero has moved back to center, so that’s an adjustment too. I think we may be overreacting; if the same observations are made once fall ball starts, then we may have some serious issues.

by Sharkbit12 on Apr 19, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone uses the defense (spring) > offense (spring) argument...

But what about USC?
* Matt Barkley: 15 for 21, 186 yards, 1 TD, 1 interception
* Aaron Corp: 13 for 18, 170 yards
* Mitch Mustain: 3 for 6, 33 yards
Source: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/pac10/0-8-61/Race-for-USC-QB-job-remains-tight.html

Certainly USC’s defense was one of the best in the nation last year and shouldn’t be that far off this year. And they’ve got a true freshman (who hasn’t even graduated from high school yet) who is playing better than our top 2 QBs combined.

* Mansion: 9-for-11 for 94 1 TD, 1 INT
* Riley: 7-for-12 for 74 yards
* Combined: 16-for-23 for 168 1 TD, 1 INT
(Sweeney: 4-for-10 for 64 yards)
Source: http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2009/04/18/cal-football-spring-wraps-up/

So I’m not a big fan of defense (spring) > offense (spring) argument right about now…

by elbarto83 on Apr 19, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing with usc is

the fact that their offense is a lot more solid and set than their defense. We really didn’t have too many questions at D other than the LB crew (and even that just a couple of spots). Our secondary and D-line is absolutely solid.

Our O has more questions: line, QB, FB, etc.

Their O is pretty much set other than QB. Their D has way too many questions with the departure of Ellison, Cushing, et al.

Basically than it means that the unit that’s more set has a pecking order pretty much in place and doesn’t see too many subsitutions, so they have time to gel together. Not true for our offense and I’d daresay their defense too. Plus Cal’s D right now I’ll say is better than USC’s so it’s natural to expect our offense to have a harder time

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Apr 19, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It looks like USC's spring game was significantly longer than Cal's

I’m not really sure you can draw many conclusions from that comparison

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by norcalnick on Apr 19, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure USC's QBs are way better than Cal's right now.

Corp and Barkley are just so damned good. They were ranked, what, top 2 in the country coming out of high school?

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or they did well in a practice that doesn’t haven’t any parameters by which we can make comparisons…

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but the point is their talent level is still higher than Cal’s QBs. So we shouldn’t be surprised if they’re performing better in practice, scrimmages, or games, etc.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember, they actually played a game.

We had situational scrimmages. I don’t think you can compare the stats… I mean, how do we know which plays or situations they had their team in? I don’t think you should be making any conclusions based on the stats of each practice

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

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by HydroTech on Apr 19, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

Yes, thank you.

JAI HO!

by Rishi on Apr 20, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

USC returns like 3 starters on defense as well. I’m sure the backups are talented, but I bet they’ll need some time to mold.

The fact that talented n00bs carved them up gives me added hope that 2009 is The Year that Cal beats USC.

After the game, I’m going to beat up one of those USC push up guys. HAHAHAHAAAAAAA

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 20, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My take on the spring...

1. Initially, I thought that Tedford was just blowing smoke about the QB competitiion being wide open, but after watching the scrimmage — oy vey. I think we have yet another legitimate qb controversy in ‘09. Have to disagree with Hydro in that Mansion was CLEARLY the better QB on Saturday. He was decisive with his throws. He was accurate (as stats bear out). He moves very fluidly in the pocket. In addition, he really seems to have a special connection with Lageman. Riley, on the other hand, STILL has the same issues with accuracy that he did last year — he still just plain missed about 30% of his throws. And he had a big brace on his leg that seemed to hamper him a little bit (anybody know what’s up with that?) If Riley has a mobility edge on Mansion, the difference is very slight. Sweeney did look pretty good, and is a better scrambler than Riley. Of the 3, it looks like Riley throws the worst deep ball. I’m not necessarily happy that Mansion looks this good, because I really do think we’re in store for another soap opera.

2. The Bears are incredibly deep at receiver and in the secondary, and there really isn’t much of a drop off from the first to the second team. As of Saturday, Marvin Jones and Alex Lageman were CLEARLY the 2 best receivers on the team (seeing as Tucker has been hitting the books). I would be pretty excited about a starting threesome of Tucker, Jones, and Lageman — those guys would catch a lot of balls. Spencer Ladner also looked solid as a big, strong pass-catching tight end.

3. The kicking game is solid. Anger (best punter in the universe) looks 100% healthy, and Giorgio looks really good; his improvement from last year is not hype. If those 2 stay healthy, I don’t think it’s possible to overestimate their significance in a push for a Pac-10 crown (assuming the Jet stays healthy).

4. The front 7 on D looks nasty. They are fast and strong. I think folks will really be pleasantly surprised by the D this year.

by RickySanchez on Apr 19, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree, Mansion looked better than Riley and I was really impressed with Sweeney. It did seem like Mansion was more decisive. The thing I was struck with from the USC review was how competitive yet supportive Barkley and Corp have been. The relationship between Mansion and Riley doesn’t seem as supportive, but perhaps I just haven’t read or seen enough of the two interacting.

It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.

by BeastMode on Apr 19, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt anyone who has just seen one scrimmage could make a quality judgment on the relationship between the QBs

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree 100%.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Apr 19, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t make that judgment, I said I hadn’t seen enough. Though I am curious on the quarterback competition dynamics.

It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.

by BeastMode on Apr 19, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm I don't know what you saw but...

On one play (near own 20 I think) Riley called either Mansion or Sweeney and told him something. He was quite animated in pointing things out, etc. After the scrimmage Riley mentioned in an interview that he was giving him some tips

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Apr 19, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, I said I hadn’t read or seen enough of them interacting to make a read.

It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.

by BeastMode on Apr 19, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I’m sayinig is that you guys are taking way too much from one scrimmage… If you saw the scrimmage last week… I mean, everybody was penciling in Sweeney as the 2nd string, with Riley clear 1st string and Mansion really hurting…. This is the same type of credit everyone gave Riley when he had an awesome AF Bowl (versus the slowest secondary I’ve ever seen with a group of 3 NFL WRs)… Don’t take too much from one scrimmage. If you look at the sum of these reports, Riley has been clearly above everyone else

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it’s more fun to draw wild conclusions!

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No T-Bred you’re wrong Riley and Mansion hate each other they’re going to fight during the USC game when we’re down 14!!!

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I agree with the main point that it’s just one practice. We’re only seeing one day out of many. Tedford will look at their entire performances over the course of spring ball to determine who has been the best. I don’t think it’s particularly that big of a deal that X player was better than Y player yesterday. Even determining who was better than the other is hard to determine. I thought it was Sweeney. GiantFan5 seemed to agree. But the stats suggest otherwise and a few people think Mansion was the best while others said he looked lost… thank god we have a real head coach who knows football better than we do.

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by HydroTech on Apr 19, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not true

Air Force had 7 NFL quality DBs

if you read this far…haha…jokes on you!!!

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 20, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's also keep in mind Best hasn't played in a single practice

The struggles they’ve had without him makes me believe the Bears offense this season is going to rely heavily on the Jet’s production, unless one of our QBs morphs into something better than he already is. Without Jahvid in there the Cal offense is going to have rough pickings because neither Vereen nor Deboskie have quite reached that level.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I felt Vereen heavily relied on Best last year. It wasn’t like Forsett/Marshawn. When Marshawn went down, it wasn’t that worrisome because we all knew that Justin Forsett would be a starter on most other teams and could carry the workload himself. Vereen hasn’t shown that ability. He goes where Best goes.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can start on some teams at this point… I mean, he did have over a 100 yards against ASU alone and good YPC until we decided to just run out clock at the end there

Let's Get This Started 2010:
NT Jay "That" Guy, OLB Cecil "The Hanta Virus" Whiteside, DE Cassius "Smashius" Marsh
... to be continued

by Thoroughbred on Apr 19, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh. I don’t have that much faith in him. He’ll be a good second banana this year and able to take over the job as a junior.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 19, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, Forsett in 2006 had about the same YPC as Vereen in 2008. Best was just otherworldly and made everyone else look like sloths.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 19, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Spoken like a true Jahvidtician

by Sharkbit12 on Apr 19, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

woo!

WARNING:

TwistNHook

by Spazzy Mcgee on Apr 19, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 20, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

could it be that any/all of them would do just fine? In this case, I think it hurts that one of them didn’t get 30 attempts (or a whole game) to analyze their performance vs a starting D1 unit. They come in, throw 10-12 passes, and then rotate. Some of that is getting in the flow, etc. They all might favor a swing RB pass or two early on, thus limiting the yardage. Combined, they were ~ 20-34 for 235 yards, 2 TDs and 2 INTs (Is this right?). Even with Sweeney’s 4-10, this is ~ 66% completion rate and some of these were in pressure packed simulations where, I’m guessing, completion rates should be lower vs a quality defense like Cal’s. Let’s not forget Best wasn’t in the lineup either.

carp’s recommendation: pick one NOW and go with it unless very poor performance dictates a switch. Why? This will help the confidence of the starter, allow for the # 2 & 3 guys to get comfortable in their roles, and allow continuity on offense, the latter of which I believe is critical for passes of 10+ yards. The longer the 3 man rotation continues, the less quality reps the eventual starter will get. Didn’t Bill Walsh say a perfectly executed passing play is unstoppable even if the defense knows it’s coming? That doesn’t happen with 3 QBs, 7 WRs, and ~ 3 TEs all rotating in/out! That’s what, 56 different passing combinations?!?! This doesn’t even include RBs! FML!!!

New Tagline: Passing is just too complicated.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 20, 2009 8:08 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Sounds like a fanpost to me

Would it be better to pick a QB now or before the season?

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 20, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure…I don’t have too much more to add. Is that ok?

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 20, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A fanpost doesn't have to be long

You could just copy & paste what you have above and add whatever you have left.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 20, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember reading that and I agree completely.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 20, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec’d

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 20, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

which guy do you pick when none has been head and shoulders above the best?

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by HydroTech on Apr 20, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops, above the rest.

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by HydroTech on Apr 20, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well…what does the winner need to demonstrate? 70-80% passing rate with 280-330 yards, no picks, and 3-5 TD’s?

I’d declare Riley the starter since he’s more seasoned, Tedford likes seasoned QBs and factors that don’t show up in the stats (when to run/throw ball away, command of the huddle, drawing the defense offsides, etc), and Mansion/Riley haven’t demonstrated the significantly improved success over Riley. They’re about even, and the tie goes to the returning “starter.” This will give Riley a chance to take the majority of 1st team reps that could even lead to an improved Riley performance.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 20, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And once again I’m reminded why former Athletic Director Gladstone hired Coach Tedford instead of Coach carp.

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by TwistNHook on Apr 20, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coach Tedford doesn’t do as good a Samuel L Jackson impression though.

Bork bork bork!

by Avinash on Apr 20, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DOILOOKLIKEABITCH?

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 20, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still don’t understand the circumstances of that video. That doesn’t prevent it from being funny every single time, however.

Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!

by Berkelium97 on Apr 20, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

:)

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by carp on Apr 20, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree. I think naming a starter right now is pretty pointless. It’s now summer. A starting QB isn’t going to do anything different or more than a non-starter. There is no benefit to naming a starter right now. On the otherhand, naming a starter right now bears a huge risk of hurting the morale of the non-starters as well as diminishing the competition between the QBs.

As a head coach you want to make an informed decision. To be informed you must have a lot of information. You’ll have more information in fall camp. I think it makes more sense to wait until mid to late fall camp to name a starter.

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by HydroTech on Apr 20, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

while all that’s great, what about quality reps with the 1st team? They are diminished significantly if they cut this up and prolonging this until late August. How about a week by week decision, like last year? When does the quest for competitiveness start to diminish confidence? Did either QB look confident at the end of 2008?

This scrimmage resulted in what, 20-25 snaps per player? Is this enough?

How do the 1’s involved in the passing game get in a finely tuned rythym when you have 3 QBs, 6-7 WRs, 3-4 TEs, 3 FBs, 3-4 TBs for a total of 486-1008 game passing combinations? I know this is the point with spring ball, but the later this goes on in the summer/fall camps, the less repetions these guys get and the less likely the passing game gets on target.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 20, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your concern. I am not opposed to picking a starter 1/4th of the way or 1/2 of the way through fall camp, but naming a starter now is pointless since it’s now summer. A starting QB now will do nothing different than a non-starting QB.

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by HydroTech on Apr 20, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed…on football definitions, is:

summer camp = late June/July
fall camp = August

or is it in line with the semester system?

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by carp on Apr 20, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t say there is a “summer camp.” It’s just the summer. There is no camp but merely conditioning and informal practices. Whatever players are here will practice with each other. however, not all players are here during the summer.

Fall camp is the official fall camp when the coaches can be with the team. That’s when they’ll really have structured practices and things really start to matter.

So to answer your question, I was using the word “summer” in both the seasonal sense and also to describe the fact that the coaches are no longer with the team. And I was using the word “fall camp” in the non-seasonal or non-monthly sense, but instead to refer to actual fall camp.

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by HydroTech on Apr 20, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you!

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by carp on Apr 20, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES YES YES

This is exactly what I want. Declare Riley the starter. It’s his job to lose. And it lets EVERYONE settle in and try to execute better with who we’ve got – not who we wished we had.

I strongly feel we need to execute what’s in our playbook better.

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by JerrottWillard45 on Apr 21, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Bill Walsh would agree. Perfectly executed/timed passing plays of the 7-12 yard variety combined with 100 m state champ in the backfield and a tenacious D is a unbeatable combo.

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by carp on Apr 22, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CleanCutMedia Observations

my Observations

1) Marvin & Langerman were the best WR.
I was excited to see these guys play since both were out with injuries before. We all expected and hoped Marvin was truly their best receiver and today he did not disappoint. Langerman has good hands and caught everything he should have. Very excited to have them boost our WR corp.

2) Mansion & Sweeney were good. Riley played poorly. Mansion had the most crisp passes out of the 3 and seemed very settled and generally made good decisions. His throws were on the mark most of the time. Sweeney moves very well for such a big guy. I loved his ability to scramble and still make a play. It seems unfortunately Riley let the good play of the other QBs get in his head because he came in and you can immediately tell he was trying too much. As Hydro said, he held onto the ball too long hoping someone would get open, then when the pocket broke, he seemed to panic a bit and his passes were completely off. Very disappointed. I am rooting for the guy.

3) Bryan Anger – Amazing. We all were ooohing on his punts. always within the 5-10 yard line.

4) Tavecchio & Field Goals – Very worrisome. All the kicks were shaky and all the long kicks were nowhere near the goal post. We might not have much range this year…

5) Defense looked far more solid than the offense. Let’s hope that with Best’s return and the QB competition clearing up we’ll see a boost.

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by cleancutmedia on Apr 20, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's time we learn how to spell this guy's name

I still haven’t seen him play, but I’ve read lots of glowing reviews—assuming, of course, that Lageman, Langerman, and Lagerman (my favorite, since I’m a beer geek), are all the same guy.

Young Alex’s name is Lagemann. No “r” in his name, nor an extra “n”—except at the end. Here is his official bio. (Boy is it depressing to read that he was born after I graduated from Cal.)

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by California Pete on Apr 20, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its like when As pitcher Brett Anderson was pitching to Ken Griffey Jr. last week. Ken Griffey Jr. STARTED HIS CAREER before Anderson was born, IIRC. Kind of crazy stuff.

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by TwistNHook on Apr 20, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Griffey plays next season he will have played in 4 decades. Ridiculous.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 20, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off the top of my head, Rickey Henderson also did that, as did Nolan Ryan.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Apr 20, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Satchell Paige must have too, right? Probably a lot of those were Negro League years, so they may or may not have counted that.

did the knucklers make it (Hough, Candiotti)?

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by carp on Apr 20, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Different sport

But how many decades did Gordie Howe play in? Although, IIRC, the last decade (or two) was a gimmick in which the old man took the ice for all of, like, 30 seconds.

To bring this back to Cal football, wouldn’t it be cool if NCAA rules allowed Joe Kapp to come back and make a cameo appearance on the field alongside his son?

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by California Pete on Apr 20, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

according to Wikipedia
Being most famous for his scoring prowess, physical strength, and the longevity of his career, Howe is the only player to have competed in the NHL in five (1940s through 1980s) different decades.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Apr 20, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paige's career is hard to nail down

he did play in the Negro Leagues in the 20s and 30s and in the majors in the 40s and 50s, so I think he’s worth counting. actually Paige apparently played minor league ball in 1961, when he was 50-something (55? his birthdate isn’t really nailed down or anything).

Candiotti wasn’t close, but Hough was. he didn’t make his major league debut until 1970, however; otherwise, he was pretty much a contemporary of Nolan Ryan.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Apr 20, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe Wakefield will play until he’s 50. He almost no hit the A’s last week!

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by carp on Apr 22, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could. Knuckleballs are so easy on your arm, from what I hear. If needed, he could pitch like 18 innings.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 22, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Rickey homer in 4 decades? That’s what Griffey will inevitably do.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 20, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

he hit 1 HR with Oakland in 1979, and 6 HRs with 3 different clubs (Seattle, San Diego, Boston) from 2000-2002

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Apr 20, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He definitely could still play.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 20, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rickey might be my favorite player ever…at the time, though, I was a big fan of Hendu, Stew, Big Mac, Carney, and Steinie. In hindsight, Rickey’s accompishments have completely blown my mind.

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by carp on Apr 22, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

man, that was an awesome oakland club, wasn’t it? a shame they only won one title…

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Apr 22, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is…both the Fodgers ("Duck the Fodgers clap, clap, clapclapclap) and the Reds took it too ’em.

I hate Jose Rijo, Chris Sabo, and Billy Hatcher.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Apr 23, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Sweeney is actually only 6'1

So I’m not sure he qualifies as “big.” He’s a bit stocky for his size, but his height was one of the biggest reasons he wasn’t recruited more heavily by other schools.

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by bearswithfangs on Apr 20, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he’s a bit short and he plays even shorter since he squats and bends his knees a lot.

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by HydroTech on Apr 20, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Riley was good against OSU (some say we should have gone for the touchdown late in regulation but we kicked the FG and won in regulation so no worries. That’s what happened. Don’t question me) and great against AF because he didn’t have a care in the world. Now he needs to get back to that.

Toot Toot

by rollonubears on Apr 20, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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