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There were some stretches of today's game at ASU where Cal was playing just about as poorly as I've seen them play all year.  Right up there with the games at Missouri and UCLA, as well as the first half of the home game vs. Stanford.  They couldn't get anything going on offense, their 3-point shots weren't falling, and there was a palpable lack of energy on defense.  Yeah, ASU shot well, but way WAY too many of those shots were wide open.  A sampling of comments from the Open Thread:

"SOMEBODY GUARD HIM!"

"DON'T LEAVE THE 3 OPEN"

"That white dude's been open all day"

My thoughts exactly.

When Cal started ratcheting up the defensive pressure, they managed to force some turnovers and some easy buckets, but it was an energy level that they simply were unable to sustain.  It also came way too late (middle of the second half, down by about 20) to really change the outcome of this game.  ASU was in firm control of this game for about the last 30 minutes, and much of Cal's effort was really an attempt to keep this game close (they failed, losing 83-66).

One can't put all the blame on Cal, though.  Much of the credit has to go to the Sun Devils, who not only ran a very efficient offense all day, but were able to really botherer the Bears on defense, forcing way too many long range shots and a whole lot of nothin' on the inside.  Cal never looked comfortable on offense, and while they didn't shoot well even when they had open looks, ASU didn't give them nearly enough of those, and basically nothing easy inside.

So, yeah.  A disappointing effort by our Bears, but overall a successful conference season, and hopefully Cal can shake off this lackluster effort in time for next week's tournament.  The last three weeks, Cal has played well on Thursday only to fall flat on Saturday, hardly a recipe for tournament success.  The Bears haven't had a weekend sweep since beating the Washington schools at home a month ago, and if they can't put two solid games together in a row, they've got no hope of advancing in the postseason, regardless of their draw.

Anyway, next week is a new season:  the post-season.  Let's forget about this game and get a fresh start on Thursday.  Go Bears!!

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Anyone know why the tourneys force you to play three games, three days in a row?

I’d imagine the conference tournament title games are always ragged affairs playing at the end of a back-to-back-to-back. Really the teams playing for a berth have more incentive to play better than the teams already in.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

I’m sure it would be needlessly expensive (not to mention a burden on the student-athletes in terms of missed classes) to extend the tournament to 5 days, or even 7, just to give teams a break in between games.

You’re right, though, in that you often see high-seeds bomb out in the first round because they just couldn’t be bothered to care. Arizona did this a couple times as a #1 seed, IIRC.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 7, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d extend the tourney one day (maybe before the finals?). Everyone else goes home and the finalists get a trip to Disneyland.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Some conferences with only 16 game regular season can end their regular season 1 week ealier in the season so that they can play the conference tourney over 2 weekends. Others are geographically close enough to play every other day since they can easily travel in a few hours. Unfortunately the Pac-10 doesn’t have those options.

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by norcalnick on Mar 7, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t understand why the tourney doesn’t end on Sunday in that case. It’d allow for that extra day of rest.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

just a guess

Saturday afternoon is probably when CBS was willing to give them national exposure, due to other basketball conferences winding up their tourneys on Sunday.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 7, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, Sunday games sometimes don't get considered by the selection committee

Conferences want the team that wins the tourney to get credit for it in their seed.

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by norcalnick on Mar 7, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Big East Tourney have it

4 games, 4 days. in a row
Some teams get the first day bye, some first and second day bye

by ximiankernel on Mar 7, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

5 games now

if you’re teams 9-16.

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Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
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by PaulThomas on Mar 7, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, if I could only point out how stupid that is. Imagine if Cal was assigned to play a football game Saturday, then the following Wednesday, and then another game Sunday. That’s the equivalent of 4 games 4 days.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Not too worried

Chalk this loss up to a combo of relief/fatigue from Thursday’s game, as well as a mental vacation on the part of the players. You have to believe after the win at Zona the players kind of knew they punched their ticket to the NCAAs.

Still, the worst part about this is how awful we looked in front of a national audience. Perceptions about this team were already poor because of lack of exposure and an overall down year for the conference. Stinking it up and getting smacked around didn’t help anyone out there start thinking our guys deserved any respect.

In any case, as you said the post season begins next week. Let’s rock!

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by SoCal Oski on Mar 7, 2009 1:40 PM PST reply actions  

For better or for worse, this was not a national audience

Much of the country saw Kentucky-Florida.

Besides, the committee doesn’t give a damn about “national perceptions” anyway.

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by PaulThomas on Mar 7, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

More worried than you

This team lost in the first 5 minutes when it was clear that ASU was going to take away our 3 point shooters by marking them closely, and we were not able to respond with anything inside. What’s worse, our defense gave way too many open looks. We weren’t moving our feet on D, and drew some quick fouls.

The Arizona win was incredible! A great comeback after being down by a lot in the first half.
The USC victory was also exciting, but we DID need OT to take care of an underperforming visitor, at home.

Losing badly in games on ESPN and CBS will not help the Bears come seeding time.

Inconsistent play, and consistently getting beat inside has me worried. We have lost 3 of 5, of which 2 were blowouts and 1 was to a team that went winless in Pac10 play last year. Not good.

But hey – let’s celebrate the positive, no? This team was picked to finish 8th in the conference. 3rd place and an NCAA bid is FaNtAsTiC !!!!!!!!

by concordtom on Mar 8, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Saw the same thing with Stanford last season

After they were robbed of a chance at the conference title @UCLA, they had a lackluster effort against USC because the game just didn’t matter that much. Likewise here— Cal was already the 3 seed, they’re already in the tournament, a loss doesn’t really hurt much since it’s a road game at a good team. Not a whole lot of effort. At least no one got hurt.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Mar 7, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions  

hurts their seed a lot, me thinks.

An 8 or 9 seed plays the #1 in the 2nd round, if they advance at all. Even a 7 seed plays a deadly 2 seed.
But a 6 seed gets a relatively weaker 11 seed in the 1st and then only a 3rd seed in the 2nd, giving them a chance. Lots of 6 seeds beat 3 seeds, historically. 7’s over 2’s, not so much. The stats, which I have compiled or our betting league, bear this out.

If the Bears had a chance at a 6 seed, they needed to finish strong. Now it will take making it to the Pac10 champ game to gain that possibility back.

Those OSU loses really smart right about now. You have to play the entire season like every game counts. Because, at the end, they do. It’s a mindset they will likely have next year. There were games they won that they shouldn’t have this year, and games they lost that they shouldn’t have. I doubt that’ll be the case next year.

by concordtom on Mar 8, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Ducks are making a game of it in Pauley

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 7, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions  

on ABC

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 7, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

i just don’t see it. ucla should take control.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 7, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Cal women up 6 with just over 2 minutes to play. Should wrap up a #2 seed in the Pac-10 tourney, as Stanford is up 12 over ASU.

The women are the team that really need to bounce back.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 7, 2009 2:11 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, I’m just glad the men got the split at the Arizona schools.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 7, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

What’s the return time on Grey Lawson?

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Gray-Lawson didn’t miss a single game. She played most of the game on Thursday and played pretty much the whole game today. I went to the game, and she looked very good. But the team was once again very ragged in the first half. About five minutes into the second half it was like someone finally switched the “on” switch back on, and they looked a lot more like their old selves. Still, it was a very close game, with Cal having only a three-point lead and Arizona having the ball for the last shot. Considering that Arizona is only 11-18 (4-14 in the conference), a three-point win by Cal is a concern. They definately have to pull themselves together for the Pac10 tournament if they want a decent seed.

by CalBear81 on Mar 7, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

TO to the………………Bills???

How does this effect Marshawn?

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by TwistNHook on Mar 7, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions  

Owens doesn’t have any problems with the law.

He could be a role model for him.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 7, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Buffalo becomes an exciting offseason team for the first time in a decade.

The Bills have the potential to win the division. TO and Marshawn should make a music video together. Not much else.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Good signing. TO is a monster WR in a West Coast Offense. Edwards is a good WCO QB… Lynch will get some openings if the Evans and Owens tandem contributes at a high level.

From a football only perspective, this move made a bunch of sense.

Marshawn will teach TO how to ghostride as they both make fun of the Niners.

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 7, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Just reading Buffalo Rumblings

It’s kinda eerie how similar Bills fans are to Cal fans

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 7, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Bills were created in 1960, Bears haven’t won a title since 1959.

So we’re about on the same wavelength. It’s what makes the synthesis so groovy.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Losing 4 super bowls in a row….man that has to hurt.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 7, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I like that it’s a one year deal. If he does nothing, then we fire our coach and move on. If he does something, we make the playoffs. And in either case, we can dump him before he cancers up the locker room. Plus at 35 his prime is pretty much over.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

where does this leave Lee Evans?

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by TwistNHook on Mar 7, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

How decent is the Bill defense, BN?

Sure seems like the offense should be near the top of the AFC

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by norcalnick on Mar 7, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Should be? Yes. Let’s just say that the coaching has been…suspect.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Washington-Wazzu going to the wire

UW loss would drop them to #2 in the Tourney, Wazzu win might match us up with them in our opening matchup.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t like any of our match-ups reallt.. unless we’d get OSU somehow (don’t know how the TB works)

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 7, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I’d rather go through a Washington/Washington St. quarterfinals/semis rather than USC/UCLA.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe we could draw the SFSU – Northridge bracket.

by concordtom on Mar 8, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we win our 1st round game

would you rather face Udub or UCLA?

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by norcalnick on Mar 7, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

UW. It’s a home game for UCLA.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm in the minority because I want another shot at those pansy blue fuckers

Jorge on Collison for 40 minutes!

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 7, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s because you’re crazy. It’s A HOME GAME FOR UCLA.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

UW wins, #1 seed

First conference title in 55 years. UCLA #2, Cal #3, ASU #4.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions  

You get your wish TBred

If we can beat our first round opponent

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this means Cal plays the winner of the OSU vs. USC game in the tourney…assuming Arizona beats the ’furd.

If OSU and Stanford win then there’s a 4 way clusterfuck at 8-10 for 5th place and I’m not going to spend 30 minutes trying to figure that one out.

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by norcalnick on Mar 7, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

furd’s not gonna let the clusterfuck happen.

So USC or OSU? It would be a home game for USC, so I feel OSU would be better. Go OSU!

by racsan on Mar 7, 2009 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

we’ve matched up horribly with osu both times, though. i feel like our poor shooting in each contest was not a coincident, but an effect of their defense and our frustration.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 7, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

but we are not a great road team, and it’s really hard to beat a team 3 times in one season.

by racsan on Mar 7, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

both good points. i don’t know that i like either matchup very much.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 7, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, the middle of the Pac10 is full of teams that have the potential to be a really good team for at least a couple of games in a row. We just have to hope they don’t put it together against us.

by racsan on Mar 7, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think this is even remotely true

but it’s irrelevant, as OSU is on the other side of the bracket now.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
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by PaulThomas on Mar 8, 2009 3:13 AM PST up reply actions  

geez, ’Zona scored 50 in the first half? they want a tourney berth badly.

of course, i think they need to win today, then beat ASU in the Pac-10 tourney opener to secure an at-large bid.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 7, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Monty hates the P-10 tourney… remember that Monty and Lute tried to team up to kill its rebirth. Both of them pretty much would have their teams sit-down and not try to win (with quality NCAA seeds wrapped up.)

Any predictions for Monty at Cal on that front?

by Tedfordisgod on Mar 7, 2009 5:55 PM PST reply actions  

I dunno…strategically, I think you gotta try to at least win the first game. Winning the whole thing would be nice, but not necessary. You’d really, really love to get a 6 seed or higher, but avoiding the deadly 8-9 game should be incentive enough.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 7, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Beating UCLA could make a huge statement for seeding.

by BearsNecessity on Mar 7, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like we got USC in the first round.

by racsan on Mar 7, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions  

Time to run the ‘we always get to play at home in the tourney’ gauntlet

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by norcalnick on Mar 7, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

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