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The Pac-10 Tournament : Yea or Nay?

The NCAA tournament opens up tomorrow (no, don't get me started on yesterday's "play-in" game), but before we get into full tournament mode, I have some unfinished business to discuss regarding the Pac-10 Tournament.  Last week, I wrote up a post on the history of the tournament, and in it, I attempted to review the history surrounding the tournament and highlight what I thought of as some interesting and relevant trends.  Perhaps my editorial point of view shone through in what I wrote; this would not surprise me at all.  However, I had no conscious axe to grind when I was writing, so it surprised me somewhat to see comments like this:

"It seems like you’re not a fan of holding the tournament, right?"

"Wow Rags, that’s a pretty powerful take down of the rationale behind having a tournament."

Surprisingly enough, I had no intention of deliberately taking down the rationale behind the tournament, and my feelings on it are probably best described as 'ambiguous'.  What do I really think about the tournament?  In reality, I don't hate it; I think it's rather fun, actually.  However, I DO hate that it's always held in LA, year after year.  In my post, I pointed out that out of the six upsets in Pac-10 Tournament history, four of them were pulled off by the LA schools.  Additionally, despite never having been seeded higher than 3rd, USC had made three of the seven previous conference finals, and one can't help but to think that home-town advantage played at least a part in the Trojans' success.  This year's tournament only further exacerbated such arguments.

Star-divide

In three days, the 2009 Pac-10 Tournament set a record for the most 'upsets' in a tournament, with four.  Three of those upsets were pulled by No. 6-seeded USC, who beat seeds No. 3, 2 and 4 in running through the field to an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament (No. 4 Arizona State pulled the other upset, knocking off No. 1 Washington in the semifinals).  The record now stands as thus:  USC has pulled off six of the ten upsets in tournament history, and has made half of the tournament finals, despite never being favored to reach there.  No other team has a record of tournament success even close to this.  You could perhaps make an argument that USC hasn't benefited from a home-town advantage, but I wouldn't buy it for a second.

However, USC's tournament championship did help to validate the tournament's existence.  For the first time, a team with no shot at the NCAA tournament before the post-season began used the tournament and its automatic bid to play their way into the Big Dance.  Leaving aside my feelings for all things related to USC (this may come as a surprise, but I'm not a fan), I think this is pretty cool.  Now, you may not agree that a team that stumbles along during the regular season, only to get hot over the course of a three-day tournament, really deserves a shot at the National Championship, but the mere fact that such a team could actually accomplish this feat proves that the tournament is more than just a redundant late-season money grab.  Moreover, since Arizona, a team firmly on the bubble before last week that lost an opening round game it was thought to need to win, actually got into the NCAAs anyway, you can pretty safely say that the tournament only helped the conference, and in no way hurt it.

The Pac-10 tournament has been described as a blatant money-grab, and as just an excuse to get more games on TV, with little regard to the academic effects on the student-athletes who participate.  I wouldn't disagree with such descriptions, yet as a fan, I still find myself having fun watching the tournament.  To be fair, I've also had fun watching "Beach Patrol : San Diego"; that doesn't imply that that show is a worthwhile endeavor, either.  Nevertheless, I would support the continued existence of the tournament...IF the host city rotated geographically around the conference.

There are NBA-ready arenas within every Pac-10 state and near most of the Pac-10 campuses.  The Tournament could easily be rotated between Seattle, Portland, the Bay Area (both Oakland and San Jose could host), LA, and Phoenix.  With the event planned years in advance, I see no reason why Pac-10 fans would be less likely to travel to Phoenix or Portland as to Los Angeles.  Of course, I could certainly anticipate that rotating the tournament could hurt the Pac-10's revenue stream, but as a fan, I couldn't care less whether it makes money or not.  I'm OK that it does, but such considerations would absolutely not factor into my decision to support the tournament.  What I'm not OK with is giving the Los Angeles schools an unfair, all-time hometown advantage.  I am absolutely against this, to the point where if I had to decide between having a tournament, but always holding it in LA, or not having a tournament at all, I'd choose 'not at all'.

For me, it's just an issue of fairness, of every team in the conference having a fair shake at things once in a while.  That's why I love that the conference plays a complete round-robin schedule; everybody plays everybody else, and you can't point to any team and say 'well, their team isn't great, but their schedule gives them a good chance to finish on top.'  However, that's just one man's opinion.  What do you think?  Do you like the Pac-10 Tournament?  Do you think the location should be rotated?  Do you care at all?

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What do you think of the Pac-10 Basketball Tournament?
I like it, and LA makes the most sense for a location, so we should leave the tournament as it is.
9 votes
I like it, and I don't care where it is held, as long as it's on TV.
1 votes
I like it, and while I'd like to see the location rotated, I'd rather have the tournament in LA than not at all.
41 votes
While I like the tournament, if the tournament didn't start rotating its location, I'd just as soon not have an unfair tournament at all.
60 votes
I don't like the tournament and think the conference should scrap it.
29 votes
Is it football season yet?
25 votes

165 votes | Poll has closed

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The Atlantic 10 tourney is played in Atlantic City.
Obviously, the Pacific 10 tourney should be played in Vegas. Everyone would go (excuse to go to Vegas, don’t mind if I do!), the games would sell out. Los Angeles and Staples is a black hole.

by Avinash on Mar 18, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly. If not rotating it, why not host it in a neutral city like Vegas or maybe San Diego?

by DougOLis on Mar 18, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably because Fox Sports’s HQ is situated nicely in LA, and they don’t want to leave their cushy palace.

by Avinash on Mar 18, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be AWESOME

this is the solution, I feel it.

Of course, as you pointed out below, Fox sports will fight like crazy to make sure it never leaves LA

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by CBKWit on Mar 18, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neutral Sites

Vegas is a good option but what about Honolulu?

by ConnorOSU on Mar 18, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SACRAMENTO!

Centrally located, and NOT a cowtown.

by CalBear81 on Mar 18, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Folsom’s fun too. Not W. Sac though.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Mar 18, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FOLSOM???

I know they have a nice auto mall.

by Avinash on Mar 18, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These days, no so much.

by CalBear81 on Mar 18, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Old Town Folsom’s fun. Nice pizza and mexican restaurant. Kids pan for gold. Plus, I think I saw Rod Stewart there. The lake’s neat too.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Mar 19, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone hears ‘Folsom’ and immediately thinks ‘prison’. Thank Johnny Cash for that.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 19, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The City of Folsom actually came out with a report claiming that it was one of the most racially diverse and integrated cities in America. No one could figure that one out, since we’ve never seen a person of color within the Folsom city limits. Turns out, when you read the fine print, they were counting all the inmates in Folsom prison.

by CalBear81 on Mar 19, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahah

that’s awesome. also, amazingly ridiculous.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 20, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that no one wants to travel to Sacramento. I spend a lot of time in Davis and I visit Sac-town once or twice a year at most.

by Avinash on Mar 18, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I beg your pardon, but Sacramento is known the world-over as the best place to stop and pee between San Francisco and Lake Tahoe.

by CalBear81 on Mar 18, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Davis and Auburn are better than Sac for a quick stop on the way to Tahoe.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Mar 19, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with this statement. Auburn is the right distance between, and Davis has Murder Burger going for it.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 19, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

u need to branch out too for Davis Burger selection.

They have an interesting place by The Gap (not far from Murder Burger) and my fav, Burgers n Brew on 3rd and C St. The bad: it’s usually crowded.

Also, I recommend trying Amichi’s East Coast Pizzeria in Vacaville and going into Fenton’s Ice Cream Parlor (also in the same strip mall) for a nightcap.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Mar 19, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i will definitely have to branch out for more burgers in davis. vacaville is too far from tahoe to be a good stopping point, IMO. if fenton’s is the same as the one on Piedmont in Oakland, i’m definitely in for late night ice cream, tho.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 19, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

aye…Fenton’s is the same. They even have old school photos of the place in the 40’s up on the walls.

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Mar 19, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vic’s Ice Cream. Riverside Blvd. Sacramento. Simply the best. Anywhere.

by CalBear81 on Mar 19, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind the tourney

but it should definitely rotate.

I doubt SC and Fucla win as many games/tourneys away from Staples. Young college kids just seem to do so much better at home than on the road.

Every year it’s held in LA it incrementally becomes that much more unfair and unjustifiable.

by oaktownmario on Mar 18, 2009 2:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Conference tournaments are pointless in my opinion. The Ivy League has it right.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 18, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pfft. They have the lamest parties.

by Avinash on Mar 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am a loser.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 18, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either they rotate it or

Hold it in Vegas. I bet the city would be more than happy to “guarantee” the tournament, as much as LA will.

by ximiankernel on Mar 18, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

poll invalid...

where’s the option to have the tournament at Haas Pavilion?

if it’s gonna be unfair, it may as well be to our advantage.

by Cal '98 on Mar 18, 2009 4:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm showing my old age...

but I’m categorically and irrevocably opposed to the notion of conference tournaments.

I understand how it is good for us; more spots for the Pac-10, more money, etc. It’s just blatantly stupid that mediocre (or worse!) teams can get into the NCAA tournament over otherwise deserving mid-majors who caught a bad break in a single game and didn’t win their automatic spot. The worst (perhaps) part of it all is that you have several highly motivated teams in the conference tournaments (i.e. Wazzou, USC this year) who are off the bubble, but by beating several non-motivated teams (the top 4-5) they can get into the dance. Why bust your butt in a conference tourney game when you only have a potential gain of 1 seed spot?

It doesn’t help fan interest to have a bunch of Michigans, Arizonas and Minnesotas in the low seeds; if Arizona wins their game, will anyone care? Will it really be a big “upset”?

This and the 1-and-1 are probably going to drive me to drink one of these years.

by markdash on Mar 18, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha, you sound like Mike Wilbon. There is definitely some merit in putting the midmajors in. I’d much prefer to see Davidson and St. Mary’s in the Dance than Arizona or Minnesota.

by Avinash on Mar 18, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not opposed to the tournament. All the arguments about a team getting hot at one point in the season and therefore it being unfair are just as true for the NCAA tournament itself. This is sports, flukes happen and it is not true that the “best” team always wins, thankfully, or else it would be boring.

I agree that I’m fundamentally opposed to it always being in LA. A neutral site I could perhaps agree to, but even that is pretty marginal. Rotate to the NBA cities (and even then WSU, Oregon and UA get kinda screwed – their campuses are across the respective states) or don’t do it. Having it be permanently in LA is plain unacceptable, the LA schools already have enough natural advantages – let’s not give them additional advantages for little reasonable rationale.

by tmoran3020 on Mar 18, 2009 4:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not just that it's one team getting hot

It’s that the other teams have little, if anything, to gain from winning conference tournament games. Why tax yourself when winning the thing might not even increase your seed?

The NCAA tournament, on the other hand, has 64-65 teams that are desperately trying to win every single game. They won’t leave anything on the floor, unlike in the conference tourneys.

by markdash on Mar 18, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not a fan…although I realize this was in part created to compete with other conferences, something the football side of things is sorely behind the curve. USC, as we’ve seen, sure as heck is good enough to compete with other tourney teams and I like them making the Sweet 16! Also…I get confused…who’s the real champion? Washington, or USC? Washington did very well throughout the league schedule, but they went belly up in the conference tournament. Shouldn’t they have won it all? Should we play 3 games a week to shorten the looooonnnnng season and make it more like the post season affairs?

Heaps and Hinder...come on down!

by carp on Mar 18, 2009 5:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Washington is the regular season champion and USC is the postseason champion. Since USC earns the automatic bid, I guess you’d have to go with USC.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 18, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still consider UW the 2009 Pac-10 Champion.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Mar 19, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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