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A Maryland Terrapins Preview

Hey, looks like Cal fans no longer have to wait until September to get their revenge on the University of Maryland -- Cal Basketball has just won a Thursday date with the Terrapins in Kansas City for the first round of the NCAA Tournament!

120_medium  vs.  25_medium

Now, I've been on vacation for the past few days, and won't actually get home until Thursday, but when TwistNHook calls you up and tells you he just has to have a preview of the Maryland basketball team for Monday morning, well, it's pretty obvious what I have do:  I tell him to kiss off.  However, then Avinash emails me, pleading for mercy, telling me that since joining CGB, Twist has had him chained to his laptop night and day, and could I please help with the workload?  With CBKWit feverishly toiling away at his Recruiting Event post, there simply isn't anyone else to handle this, so I graciously acquiesce.  You're welcome.

Maryland has been considered an NCAA bubble team for quite some time, limping to just a 7-9 record in a tough ACC.  They haven't lost more than 2 games in a row all season, yet until the ACC tournament, they'd only won 2 games in a row once since running off 7 in a row against a significantly easier non-conference slate back in December (Michigan and then a bunch of nobodies).  They do have some nice wins this year, including an 88-85 overtime victory over North Carolina and an 80-62 handling of Michigan State in the Old Spice Classic, but a couple of bad losses to Morgan State (can Todd Bozeman give us some pointers?) and Virginia (to close the regular season with a dud), plus some embarassing blowouts to Gonzaga, Georgetown, Clemson and Duke (85-44? Ouch!) certainly left the Terrapins' post-season fate in doubt.  Really, it probably took a pair of wins in the ACC tournament to secure their place in the field of 65, the second an impressive 75-64 win over Wake Forest.  However, they got here, any team that can beat both North Carolina and Wake Forest should be one to take seriously.

Star-divide

And if we're taking Maryland seriously, that should start (and maybe end) with taking point guard Greivis Vasquez seriously.  The Venezuelan is pretty much their team; he leads Maryland in points, rebounds, assists and steals.  He plays by far the most minutes, and takes by far the most shots.  If the game is on the line, the ball will be in his hands, and if he gets to the line, he's an 88% free throw shooter.  He's been held below 10 points just 3 times this year (by Duke, Georgetown, and Florida State), and in the upset win over North Carolina, he recorded the Terrapins' first triple-double in 22 years.  Perhaps Randle or Gutierrez will be quick enough to help contain Vasquez before he penetrates the lane, forcing him to pass it on, or hopefully take less-than-ideal shots (he can be a ball-hog at times, and though he takes by far the most threes on the team, he makes less than a third of them), though at 6' 6", Vasquez should be a height mismatch for either of Cal's point guards, and possibly too quick for Christopher or Robertson.  The Bears should hold out scant hope of shutting Greivis down, instead merely trying to limit the damage.

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Vasquez will be Maryland's first option on offense.  Maybe their second and third options, too.  -  Image via sportsillustrated.cnn.com

Beyond Vasquez, however, Maryland will present little in the way of height.  No one on their roster is taller than 6' 10", and much of that height goes unused on the bench; the tallest players who make significant contributions are 6' 7" forwards Landon Milbourne and Dave Neal (the squad's only senior).  Without much size inside, the Terrapins give up a lot of offensive boards (when your point guard is your leading rebounder, you're probably in trouble), and while they are in the top 10 in the country in free throw percentage, that skill doesn't help them much, since they are absolutely awful at getting to the free throw line (in terms of the number of free throw attempts as compared to their total field goal attempts, they're in the bottom 15 in the country).  Milbourne is Maryland's real inside presence, and a good shooter to boot (85% from the line, and can step out and hit some jump shots, too), but I feel pretty confident about Boykin and Kamp's ability to match up with him.

On the perimeter, Maryland has a number of players who can knock down an open shot, including Neal, 6' 4" guard Eric Hayes, and 6' 2" guard Adrian Bowie.  However, as long as the Bears don't leave these guys open, I think they should be fine; none of these guys shoot even 40% from three (the best, Neal, is about as good as Christopher, though with far fewer attempts), and Maryland is overall pretty mediocre from three.  In fact, their shooting percentage is overall pretty tepid (46%, 33% from three, both in the bottom half of the NCAA), and the main way they stay in games in by maximizing their opportunities; they don't turn the ball over much (top 30 in the country) and they grab a bunch of offensive boards (fantastic given their lack of size).

Defensively, Maryland likes to mix and match between straight up man defense and a zone.  They can both block and steal the ball; if they have a weakness on defense, it's that they don't rebound particularly well, which is not good news for them; give the Bears two or three chances to knock down and open shot, and they almost certainly will.  Neither team will physically overpower the other, so I have a feeling that a lot of this game is going to be determined by which team exudes more hustle, especailly on the boards.

In the Asian guy on the bench category, Maryland counters Cal's Max Zhang with one of their own, 6' 8" freshman Jin Soo Kim.  Like Max, he's a bit of a fan favorite, and also like Max, he probably won't play outside of garbage time.  Interesting fun fact, though.

On paper, I think Cal should win this game.  Vasquez is a stellar talent (All-ACC second team), but he does need help, and I think the Bears match up well enough with everyone else to be able to deny Vasquez the help he needs.  If there's one thing that worries me, it'll be how much the Bears want this game; they can survive a cold shooting stretch with good defense, but not if they aren't willing to put in the work.  Traveling to Missouri and starting an early game didn't work too well back in December, and it could be a worry again, as the Bears have looked the worst this year when they didn't have 5 guys on the floor with their heads in the game, willing to play tough D.

My early homer prediction:  Cal 75, Maryland 68, with Jerome Randle thriving in his first taste of the NCAA tournament.

Poll
Who will win the Cal vs. Maryland re-match? And how much of a margin will they win by?
Cal wins big.
67 votes
Cal barely wins
126 votes
Maryland barely wins
20 votes
Maryland wins big
21 votes

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I fear the worst (not necessarily the turtle)

I’m not holding out much hope of winning this one. I think it’s great that Mike squeaked 22 wins out of this team, but Maryland is becoming USC lite for us. They whipped us in football, knocked us out of the men’s soccer tournament and it just seemed destined that we were going to end up playing them in a first round game with such a vulnerable team. Maybe we just go with a huge lineup with Zhang, Wilkes, Boykin, Camp, pound the glass, and let Randle chuck 3s from half court.

by need4jahvid on Mar 16, 2009 8:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Oops, they also beat Michigan State.

That is a pretty tough schedule. But I’m still not sure if they were very impressive. (Michigan State also lost to UNC…by 35)

by Tedfordisgod on Mar 16, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good stuff. This game is probably going to depend on how well Randle can handle the ball against taller adversaries. We might need Guiterrez to bring the ball up and then find Randle off the ball to run the offense.

by Avinash on Mar 16, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cal is clearly the more 'consistent' of the two teams

Maryland has beaten some of the best teams on their schedule, but also lost to some of the worst. I think Cal has avoided most of the head scratching performances against truly awful teams.

I still think we match-up well. Talent levels are perhaps equal, but I think what we do well can exploit what they don’t do so well.

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by norcalnick on Mar 16, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That 1 point line disturbs me. The East Coast is going to pound Maryland.

by Avinash on Mar 16, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t the betting line based on who Vegas thinks bettors will put money on, as opposed to who they actually think is better? I’m just guessing there are way more people out there who are ACC/east coast fans willing to put money on the ACC team.

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by norcalnick on Mar 16, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Vegas likes Cal to win. Their confidence makes me uneasy.

by Avinash on Mar 16, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you Ragnarok. To show my gratitude, I will re-rec Spazzy’s Mt. Rushmore post back up.

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by TwistNHook on Mar 16, 2009 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

lol…“doesn’t Cal barely win” in all of these basketball polls?

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by carp on Mar 16, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I always vote for ‘Cal wins big’

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 16, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Kodos.

by Avinash on Mar 16, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for McGovern

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 16, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for LaRouche.

by Avinash on Mar 16, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Runningwolf

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 16, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I declare all of you Vasquez

by LeonPowe on Mar 16, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

just from browsing the net,

seems like the popular opinion among the “experts” is that Maryland is going to win. I find that kind of interesting, I thought we match up very well against them. Is there something I’m missing other than Vasquez, their coach and their reputation?

by Sharkbit12 on Mar 16, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

To answer your question: Nope.

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 16, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I find it odd

Only encourages me to put money on Cal, so I win either way ;)

Also, the MD inconsistency goes either way. I peg them as having a better chance of knocking off Memphis than Cal does, but I also give them a far better chance of losing by 80 to Memphis than Cal does.

Insert clever and witty remark slash pun here!

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by ES46NE10 on Mar 16, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I also can’t wait until we see Mexico vs. Venezuela, Jorge vs. Greivis, Mano a Mano

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 16, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I….I escareda.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 16, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: The Line

At 2:38 PM, Avinash posted a link to a website with lines for the NCAA tournament. Pay special attention to the first two columns, the LV Hilton and LVSC Open. They have lines for Northeastern/Wyoming and Mount St. Mary’s (NEC) / James Madison. You know, in case you have the unholy urge to place a wager on a College Basketball Invitational or Collegeinsider.com tournament game.

Seriously, if you’re doing that, you need help.

Most terrifying line: West Virginia -8.5 against Dayton. That game is beyond a tossup for me. Cal is still a 1 point favorite. I would’ve figured Cal -4, but that’s why I don’t work in Las Vegas.

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by ES46NE10 on Mar 16, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

The Bears have been a meh road team and if it was that high almost ALL the action would’ve been on Maryland.

by Avinash on Mar 16, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cal is .500 on the road

That’s not “meh,” that’s damn good…

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
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by PaulThomas on Mar 16, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh wow for some reason I thought we did worse on the road.

I guess public perception is that we’re ‘stumbling into the tourney’.

by Avinash on Mar 16, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

That doesn't make much sense either

6-4 last 10 games… yeah, the 4 are somewhat backloaded, but so was the 2nd half schedule…

I think it’s just standard issue Pac-10 hating, which I expect will be shut up by the end of the first weekend. I’m taking USC to win rd 1, ASU to advance to the Sweet 16, UCLA to win the first and lose the second only because it’s a virtual road game, Cal to win… the only team I think might really underperform is Washington, and even they have the upside of an Elite 8 team. Thabeet couldn’t handle Blair and Brockman is only a slightly worse model of the same player.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Mar 16, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

uh

Blair might eat Brockman. At the least, he would break him in half.

Seriously, Blair is much better.

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by CBKWit on Mar 16, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

You basically nailed my bracket…. I may pick UW to lose in Portland… pretty insane

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 16, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they got the toughest 13 seed by far

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 16, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't know

MSU just isn’t that good. They got beaten up by Washington State. Varnado is fun to watch, but the supporting cast is kind of lame. Purdue is a lot more dangerous.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Mar 16, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Out of Akron, Cleveland State, Portland St., and Mississippi St., I’m most scared of MSU. Maybe Cleveland St. has some fight in them. PSU and UW already played, so that wasn’t going to happen. I don’t see Akron beating the Huskies.

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 16, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Expectations could not be lower for the P-10. Somehow the (also misplaced) lack of respect for the Pac-10 as a football conference has carried over into basketball. This seems to happen regularly, even though over the last 15 years or so, it seems like the league regularly outperforms tourney expectations.

by Tedfordisgod on Mar 16, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a legit reason for seeing the conference as down, I guess

since we lost so much NCAA talent. And last year was one of the few years when media folk were talking about the Pac-10 in the same breath as the Big East and ACC.

But yeah, I think the Pac-10 is better than most people realize, but there’s no real proof…yet

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by norcalnick on Mar 16, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think the loss of those players made people think that the Pac-10 is worse than in normal years. I would guess that the Pac-10 is actually at its median level, and last year it actually was far better (plus, those draft picks probably didn’t help the Pac-10 teams to be much better in 2008 than they were in 2007).

To continue on our points…

The assumption seems to be that 2008 was an outlier. I think it was, but only because we got 6 bids for the first time ever. 3 sweet 16 teams isn’t really anything out of the ordinary…

In 2007, the Pac-10 put three into the sweet 16 (and all of them nearly made the Elite 8…USC blew it against UNC).

2006…only four teams in the tourney…two sweet 16 (with Washington playing UConn pretty tightly)

2005…two sweet 16…one elite 8 (Arizona in a tough loss against Illinois in the game of the tournament). Again, only 4 total teams, with Stanford as a 8, and UCLA as an 11. Washington was a 1 seed, and lost to Louisville.

2004…clearly a real down year for the league…only got three teams in. Washington and Arizona lose in the first round 8/9 games. Stanford is a No. 1 seed and loses to Alabama in the second round. I think that Stanford would have been the overall No. 1 seed if that existed at the time.

2003…5 teams overall, 4 into the round of 32, but only 1 sweet 16. Arguably, this year is the most similar to 2009 with a slew of decent teams. Arizona, however, was a No. 1 seed and lost in the regional final.

2002…6 bids…5 in the round of 32…3 sweet 16 (Oregon, UCLA, AZ)…Oregon (No. 2 seed) makes it to the elite 8…

2001…5 bids…4 sweet 16…3 Elite 8…AZ to Final Four, lost to Duke in title game.

What is the point? Looking back, 2003, 2004 and 2005 were tough years – a total of only three sweet 16 teams. But I would argue that the coaches now are far superior to coaches then (MM at Stanford was great, Lute was already slipping, Ernie Kent was thought to be one of the better ones…and he won one game in the league this year.) The league actually is far better now, and I think the national media is completely wrong to write off success in 2008 on the basis of a few players who went to the NBA.

With Howland, Monty, Floyd, Sendek, Romar, Kent, Robinson, and Bennett, the league has tremendously good coaches. It seems possible that Dawkins is really good too (once he gets the right guys, they at least will be really entertaining assuming he is semi-serious about the SSOL). Add in Mark Few at Arizona and the Pac-10 top to bottom is amazing. If you work from the premise that they coaches are what matters, the Pac-10 is on a pretty steady trajectory up-hill, with the NBA-level talents only making a marginal difference year to year. This is a process that began in 2006 (when I think Floyd, Sendek got their jobs, and UCLA and Wazzu made huge leaps under Howland and Bennett)

6 seeds, with 3 in the sweet 16 probably is going to become the norm for the league. The real question is whether a team will emerge alongside UCLA and get some Final Four berths.

by Tedfordisgod on Mar 17, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

The overall #1 seed did exist at the time

but it went to Kentucky, which went unbeaten in SEC play. Stanford was actually the overall #3 seed. In retrospect, the league was so down that that was probably the right decision, as much as I was enraged by it at the time. Ironically, of course, both teams were upset in stunning fashion in the second round.

The funny thing is, the Pac-10 is much shallower this year, but it still might dominate the NBA draft. There are at least 8 potential first-round talents (DeRozan, Gibson, Hill, Budinger, Holliday, Collison, Harden, Pendergraph) and any number of players who could potentially go in the second if they came out (Baynes, Brockman, Hackett, Christopher, Fields, Shipp, Robertson, Aboya, Thompson). The talent is a lot more thinly spread, though.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Mar 17, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

One quibble

Robertson is not an NBA draft pick

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by CBKWit on Mar 17, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two words: Kyle Korver

Robertson’s not as tall but he’s more athletic, stronger and more versatile.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Mar 18, 2009 3:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll give you stronger, maybe versatile, but not more athletic

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 18, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish you were right

but I really don’t see Roberston being picked next year. Hope I’m wrong.

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by CBKWit on Mar 18, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shrug

I’m not saying he’s a lock, just that he’s got enough potential to tempt a team inclined in that direction.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Mar 18, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that the No. 3 overall seed exists. I think it is No. 1 …and the other three No. 1 seeds.

Good call on the overall talent. I hadn’t really kept that in mind.

Which begs the question, what are NBA scouts smoking…does being drafted in the NBA have anything to do with the real world of basketball – case in point, Chase Budinger as a Top 10 pick – Chase Budinger as a mediocre P-10 player.

by Tedfordisgod on Mar 17, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not that being the No. 1 overall seed actually matters at all

by Tedfordisgod on Mar 17, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to say, you're just wrong on this one

The committee seeds them 1 through 4 so that a. they can pair the regions so that #1 faces #4 in the national semis if they both get there, and b. they can assign lower seeds to the appropriate spot on the “S-curve,” meaning that the best #1 gets the worst #2, the best #3, the worst #4 and so on.

There’s definitely a rank order of the four #1 seeds.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Mar 18, 2009 3:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, the league did have a disastrous period in the 1998-2002 era

when Arizona and Stanford kept choking with high seeds in early rounds of the tournament.

However, since that era, and particularly between 2005 and 2008, the league has been a significant overperformer.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Mar 17, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that was pretty much the Gettysburg Address version of what I was trying to say.

by Tedfordisgod on Mar 17, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

kenpom.com has WVU-Dayton as the single biggest blowout of the first round other than a few awful auto-bid teams

11 points; 87% win percentage for WVU. It’s a perfectly reasonable line.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Mar 16, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting:

Look at the two schools that offered Jin Soo Kim

http://maryland.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=69413

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 16, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Holy Crap!

Was that the same year as Max? Maybe Ben just HAD to have a huge Asian man to ride the bench! Hopefully Max was his first choice. Great find T-bred!

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by norcalnick on Mar 16, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, it was the year after Max. What a duo THAT would have been!

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by Thoroughbred on Mar 16, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're dancin'

and that’s great, but even if Cal beats Md., they can still have the honor of losing to Memphis by 20.

Isn’t anyone else bothered by the lack of intensity for the past 2 first-halves vs. ASU and ‘SC? Seems like after they scored 80+ on AZ to essentially clinch a spot, they kind of just showed up to play the next 2 games. Went through the motions, didn’t want to get embarrassed but were anyway. That may not be enough to turn their game back on now, when they need to most. But dancing this year is bonus time; the juniors get experience, and it helps feed the program with success for the future.

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by Rollah on Mar 17, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

ya mean, just like they cldn’t get up for SC last week at Staples after Monty’s motivational talk?

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by Rollah on Mar 17, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

not at all

they knew they were in the tournament and that a win wouldn’t do too much. If they wanted to get above a 7 seed, they probably would have needed to beat SC and LA, a tall order. The Pac-10 tourney isn’t new or exciting, but these guys have never played in the big dance before.

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by CBKWit on Mar 17, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

still disagree

And that inexperience may be good or bad. We’ll see. Luckily, Monty has coached in the Dance before, so that should help calm things down. But let’s be real: you can’t turn the energy on like a switch. Either you bring it every night, or you have off nights, and Cal has lost 2 in a row, mostly because they didn’t bring it to start the game. Monty’s speech didn’t inspire enough to shake anything against ‘SC; they didn’t know they’d be a 7 seed. You take nothing for granted. I’m excited for this team, and I’m sure they are too. A 2-gm losing streak is just not the kind of momentum you want heading into the 1-and-done tourney. That’s all I was trying to convey. I can let it go now and set up my TiVo for tomorrow afternoon.

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by Rollah on Mar 18, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cal relies on its jump shots. It has nothing to do with these nebulous terms of “energy” and “desire” but more to do with executing their jumpers. When they can’t make their jumpers they fall behind.

by Avinash on Mar 18, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree...

with the exception of the Memphis by 20. I think Memphis is a better team, but highly overrated (when they play good teams, they lose.). IF Cal can step up the intensity for round one against the Terps enough to win, I think they have a shot, albeit maybe long, at beating Memphis.

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by sactownxsi on Mar 17, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

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