Open Thread: Pac-10 Tournament Championship (USC vs Arizona State)
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 2:00 PM PDT
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Pac-10 championship is at 6 PM EST, 3 PM PST on CBS.
This game is interesting from the standpoint of USC since if they win, they're in the dance. ASU is pretty much locked in, so I doubt winning this will mean that much to them. (For those who care about such things, ASU is 1-2 point favorites at most sportsbooks)
You kind of (and I stress 'kind of') root for USC to win so the conference can get five teams in the tourney. They have such good athletes in Gibson and DeRozan that if they got hot, they could make a run in their bracket with some upsets and make the conference look pretty good. Of course they don't play so well as a team; UCLA shot the ball like they had broken glass jammed in their eyes and the Bruins were only down 6 with a minute remaining.
Arizona State, with Pendergraph and Hardin both relatively healthy, and their flop-happy guard Glasser, seem to be the best organized team in the Pac-10. They dominated the Pac-10 champion Huskies for much of yesterday's game, let them have a brief run to take a slight lead, then dominated them some more. Of all the Pac-10 teams they probably have the best chance to make some noise. Yet it wouldn't surprise me if they got bounced early either. Every team in the conference has a weakness.
For those not interested in the men's game, you can speculate in the comments: Who do you feel has the best chance in the conference to go deep in the tourney? Cal has the jump shooters, USC (if they win) has the talent, UCLA has the tradition, Arizona State has the complete team, Washington has the pieces, but who's got the potential in them to make a run?
Game again starts at 6 PM ET/3 PM PT. Women's game starts at 9 PM PT, 6 PM ET and there'll be an open thread for that too.
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let’s get this party started. I made some guac, and I’m ready to go!
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you actually going to watch the game?
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I eat, yeah. But then I might actually do some studying once I get bored of it.
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe there’s college football on ESPN Classic???
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is college football on my tivo.
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cal games. A few random other ones, like the Red River Shootout. Plus, I have coaching DVDs, and old Cal games on DVD to watch too. The problem is just finding the time.
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that’s easy. Instead of sleeping, you watch football. Simple as that.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha it’s Enberg. Can’t wait for him to call Pendergraph “Penn and Teller”
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know WHO'S voting for Oregon
but they’re ridiculous. :)
It's spelled "M-A-R-C-H-I-N-G-B-A-N-D."
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by Takimoto on Mar 14, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate U$C.
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My hatred is in this order: (1) U$C; (2) fUCLA; (3) $tanfurd.
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
second this
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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Move USC from 1 to 3 in basketball and push UCLA and Stanford up a spot
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BN, hands down.
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great start to the game. Both teams playing really well.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Conquest Chronicles has ZERO comments in their game thread. They sure do love their basketball.
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Strange, they had like 150 last night. Maybe they’re all at the game. I know they have barely any comments during football season either because everyone goes to the game.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
basket-ball? Do they play that at the Coliseum?
by DC Trojan on Mar 14, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden is playing floor general right now. Those are some sweet passes.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He kind of emulates LeBron in the way he drives into the paint, dishes the ball out and in his jump shot stroke. He’s going to be pretty exciting to watch in the NBA.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate when the announcers use the term “giving/getting ____ a blow” to describe giving a player rest… That’s drugs or sex, NOT resting
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate those Microsoft commercials with the cutest little kids ever way more.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you hate those cute kids? How can you hate Kylie and her little fish Dorothy?
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where are you all watching this from? Any way to watch online?
by tjalorak on Mar 14, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I have access to a TV but then my parents will know I’m watching TV instead of doing homework… not worth the argument. :P Thanks for the link.
by tjalorak on Mar 14, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You RASCAL you
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whenever I come home to visit my parents, I feel weird watching TV. I feel like they’re wondering why I’m not studying. But how can I study when I can watch 50 inches of HDTV???
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we going to have a thread for the women’s USC-California game later on tonight? It’s on DirecTV channel 692.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 14, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that one going to be cast anywhere?
I feel like it could be a big confidence game for them to at least get to the championship game for a little redemption against Stanford
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The light finally turned on for DeRozan… PLEASE LEAVE FOR THE LEAGUE!
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s really kicked it up a notch in the past few weeks.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody know about the likelihood of that happening?
I know USC is supposed to have another stud Frosh coming in – I wouldn’t want him to team up with DeRozan and make our lives miserable.
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd is outrecruiting the hell out of UCLA. At least from last night’s game it appeared that way.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seems to go too much after the 'one and done' type players
so USC doesn’t seem to get any consistency or flow in their seasons. They always have to break in new players so by the time they figure things out they’ve lost a bunch of games and are stuck on the bubble. If DeRozan leaves, they’re right back to square one with no real expectations of post season success.
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They beat UCLA a lot now though. That’s probably all Trojan fans care about.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true.
ucla has been getting great, complete classes.
by concordtom on Mar 15, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are some concerns about the incoming Frosh
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's like OJ Mayo all over again
lots of talent, might be a gigantic jerk
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. That’s no big deal for hoops players. Much bigger issue in football.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only because Mayo prospered in SC and is doing well in Memphis.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, the one good thing about this game is that both teams’ have good looking cheerleaders.
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They don’t bring the Song Girls here do they?
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the song girls and the dance team are there.
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by HydroTech on Mar 14, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pete Carroll’s in the stands, twittering the awesome
There’s nothing better than being champions… Go get it Trojans!! Beat the sun devils!!!
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could have posted this as your parody of him
and I would have believed it without questioning it.
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Listening to Public Enemy, inspired by beating bruins to fight the power!”
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ASU’s defense is stifling USC; Trojans are just settling for jumpshots. And Harden’s controlled the offensive end while barely scoring.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how to grab defensive boards:
make the other team settle for outside jumpers.
How to give up 23 offensive rebounds: let the other team penetrate so your bigs have to collapse on the ball, leaving a bunch of big, athletic guys all alone.
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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s Randle’s biggest issue; his physical limitations make it hard to keep the point guard in front of him, so he’s able to drive and penetrate. We might need to see a lot of Guiterrez on the ball handler.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
our defensive rebounding is a huge problem
not only do we lack size and athleticism in the post, but we also allow a lot of dribble penetration. It’s hard enough to keep a guy like Gibson off the offensive glass when you’re boxing him out with guys like wilkes (can’t move, weak), boykin (undersized an unathletic), or kamp (undersized, can’t jump due to injuries). When you compound this with opposing guards and wings getting in the lane, forcing our bigs to leave their assignments and collapse on the ball, leaving no one to box out opposing bigs, you’ve got a recipe for disaster (23 offensive rebounds).
Gibson is going to get his share of offensive boards against any team. When you put him against athletically inferior players who have to stop the ball instead of boxing him out, he’ll eat you alive. A team like USC presents horrible matchup problems for us – if we can avoid a team like this, we should at the least win our first round game. And the fact that we came back from so far down, against such a difficult draw, makes me optimistic for our team’s chances in the tourney.
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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big question is whether these problems will be corrected next year?
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing that really depends on how ready Max and Bak-Bak will be
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
it depends on whether Randle can improve his defense, if harrison can return to the team, if kamp can get his legs healthy, and if Markhuri Sanders-Frison (our incoming big) can play at a moderately high level. Neither Bak-bak or Max are going to play much or have any significant impact on the team next year.
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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Praise not be to Bak-Bak?
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know about you, but Im emotionally devastated!
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by TwistNHook on Mar 14, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's no solution
switching Gutierrez onto the ball handler just means Randle has to guard another player, who is likely even taller, and will likely post him up.
The solution is to get better, bigger, recruits.
by concordtom on Mar 15, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
Randle has done more per inch than anyone in the league. He’s been great!
by concordtom on Mar 15, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ASU will probably have a cold stretch
the question is if USC has the offense to take advantage and make it a game again. They don’t play fast and they don’t shoot 3s. Hard to see them getting back into it easily.
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So back to the original question
Which Pac-10 team do you think can go the deepest? Arizona State looks pretty dominant after the Furd shredded them. UW is on and off. UCLA is mad inconsistent, as is Cal. USC actually has the most raw talent, but if this stands they’re probably not getting in.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Cal, bitches
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think UW will be a really tough out.
They’ve been the most consistent in the Pac-10 by a wide margin. If you take away the crazy triple OT loss, here are their Pac-10 losses:
Road to Cal
Road to UCLA
Road to Arizona
Neutral to ASU
Three good teams that play well at home, and a solid ASU team. They haven’t lost to a single team they “shouldn’t” lose to. They have good guard play, they rebound well, and they get to the free throw line.
Unless they get a real bad matchup against a team that can exploit their questionable defense with good shooting I think they’ll probably be the last Pac-10 team standing.
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky for UW… they won’t play Cal in the tourney
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly, bracketology has them as a four against North Dakota St.
who, if my memory serves me right , is 2nd in the NCAA in 3 point percentage behind Cal…Brockman could probably destroy them inside, but you never know…
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that IS a bad matchup for Washington. Very good shooting white men =D
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest problem with the Huskies is that they have one of the best homecourts in the league. They play several steps down on the road and I wonder if that’ll negatively impact them.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Floyd had one of his crazy speeches again
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He seems like a football coach
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seems like a struggling used car salesman
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I’m a PC and I’m 7 years old”
My PC’s 7 years old too. It is damned slow.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Those commercials make me hot.
MEOW
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do all horror stories
take place in late 18th century houses in Connecticut
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s like all Hollywood producers went to Yale.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double team Harden? Do we ever see double teams in college? How often was Melo doubleteamed at Syracuse?
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously not enough
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are the song girls the only ones chanting anything? All I hear when $C is on offense is a bunch of prepubescent girls saying “Let’s go Trojans!”
by Sharkbit12 on Mar 14, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s the USC bench you’re hearing
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have never seen a guy cooler under pressure than Harden on that shot.
by Tedfordisgod on Mar 14, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerome Randle in a lot of our wins
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno if that’s cool more than OMG how the hell did he stroke that
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ASU 3 pointer + and 1 to ice the game.
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, “OMG how the he hell did he stroke that???”
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relevant departing Pac-10 players by school
Washington: Brockman, Dentmon
UCLA: Aboya, Shipp, Collison
ASU: Pendergraph, Harden to declare?
Cal: Wilkes
WSU: Banes, Rochestie
Arizona: None, Hill and Budinger to declare?
USC: None, DeRozan to declare?
OSU: Ricky Claitt
Stanford: Johnson, Goods, Hill
Oregon: None
Discuss
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
CAL RULEZ!11!!!!!1!
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
UCLA’s biggest star next year will be JH, JA, ML, or MR?
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know nothing about UCLA's incoming Freshman class
but wouldn’t it be great, with all of that talent leaving, if they sank to 5th or so in the conference?
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget DG! They don’t lose lose MR?
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fighting Bozemans up 7 with 7 minutes left in the 1st half
I still can’t believe he got rehired anywhere. Isn’t ‘paying a recruit’ a career ending offense for a coach?
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Morgan St. vs Norfolk St. in the MEAC championship
winner probably gets a 16 seed
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan State probably gets a 15 with some of the other low Div-1 programs that got at-larges
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so if we got a magical 7 seed… MAYBE?
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s playing in the draw-in game (64 vs. 65?)
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Lunardi
Alabama St. and Chattanooga
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was away for 10 years, and plus it’s all the way across the country in the low Div-1 level. Kelvin Sampson got a number of shots…
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many times you think that happens in similar or other forms at big schools?
bozeman was just stupid how he went about it, I’m sorry to say. I just don’t trust that there aren’t lots of situations like that.
by concordtom on Mar 15, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden’s playing Go while USC’s playing checkers. Sweet dribbling and dish.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pendergraph’s a great finisher. He’s got a little bit of Tyson Chandler in him, with a jump shot.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
USC’s got the right strategy here. Drive, draw contact, get to the line or get baskets in the paint. Keep those legs ready for the finish.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is the consensus that ASU goes back to being a bottomdweller after this season?
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've certainly seen that opinion expressed at House of Sparky
course, that was after they lost to Stanford and were pissed.
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting talk is that AU hires so-cal bred Jaime Dixon from Pitt, and Sendek (who grew up in Pittsburgh) goes from ASU to Pitt. Doubt that will happen, but losing Pendergraph and Harden means ASU sux next yr.
by concordtom on Mar 15, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which means it will be even more fun heckling Glasser the Flopper.
by concordtom on Mar 15, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like DeRozan’s going to try and take over.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hackett playing really well too
Glasser with a ridiculous shot.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a big Hackett fan
but he seems really clutch
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd expect them to call that in favor of the conference player of the year
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like either of the last 2 foul calls
you let them play at this point unless it’s obvious
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Harden wouldn’t have got called for the charge if he had kept his head up; it looked like he was just barrelling into Hackett.
I’m pretty sure Hackett got checked.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice to see a replay
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the home crowd might’ve gotten to the refs a little bit.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just say I’m pretty sure there was the same amont of contact on Hacket’s drive and Harden’s drive that led to the block. I almost always prefer no-calls at the end
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free throws
21 to 4.
Nahhh
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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a game by the Trojans
Even if they lose…what a tournament for them.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
USC is in!
I’m not envious of the team they have to face.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 5:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
USC and Arizona will likely end up as 11/12 seeds. How would you like to be the 5/6 seed that has to take them on in the first round.
by Tedfordisgod on Mar 14, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zona’s not going to make it… They got their bubble bursted by Temple
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think it is hard to keep AZ out. There are a number of conferences that just aren’t getting that many teams in (like the SEC) and there really aren’t any mid-major at-larges like the past few years (Butler I guess lost their conference tourney). I think AZ will get in over some of the lower Big 10 teams
by Tedfordisgod on Mar 14, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They really need Utah and Tennessee to win their conference tourneys
If SD st. and Miss. St. steal at large bids I think Arizona is sunk
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, Lunardi already has SDSU in over Zona… I don’t know how he did last year, but in years past he’s gotten 64 or 65 out of 65
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda a weird call though as Arizona did beat SDSU pretty soundly.
Is getting 64/65 impressive? Seems to me it generally comes down to something like 3 fairly obvious teams for the final two spots.
by Tedfordisgod on Mar 14, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IDK about this year… Lots of meh teams were meh down the stretch
Who thought Zona should’ve gotten in over ASU last year?
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s tough for Zona too because they also got smoked by UNLV, and SDSU beat THAT team soundly at least twice…
There are just a lot of weird teams with funky resumes
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and just a lot of mediocre teams. It just seems to me that there are zero teams who should be one seeds, 10 two seeds, 20 seven seeds, and another 20 eleven seeds.
The Big 10 apparently is getting 7 or even 8 teams in, which seems crazy to me. And some major conference champions are going to fall pretty low in the seedings.
When it comes to the Pac-10, Washington is going to get a 5-ish seed and USC a 12-ish…but I would sure as hell prefer to play U-Dub in the second round if I was a four seed.
by Tedfordisgod on Mar 14, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Udub gets less than a four I'll be surprised
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even better for my argument I guess.
Watching the Pac-10 games in comparison to other conferences I have gotten the feeling that the Pac-10 teams are playing at a much higher level than people think. I know that it is near impossible to judge conferences relative to each other, but I get a sense that the Pac-10 is going to surprise people in the tournament.
by Tedfordisgod on Mar 14, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offenses definitely have been… just look at KenPom’s efficiency ratings
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, wow, that is impressive. As are the Pac-10 teams positions in the overall Pomeroy rankings.
On top of the efficiency, there just seem to be a lot of plays in the average Pac-10 game that make you ooh and aah. Harden’s passing in the first half was ridiculous. DeRozan was ridiculous. The defense from Hackett and Gibson’s defense was too.
by Tedfordisgod on Mar 14, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My predictions are now:
UDub 5
ASU 5
UCLA 6
Cal 8
USC 11
They were a little different yesterday
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing about that seems wrong to me. I have a feeling UCLA might get a slightly higher seeding based on their three straight Final Fours.
by Tedfordisgod on Mar 14, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, UCLA could go as high as 4. Their stinky nonconference resume holds them back though
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they'd fall out if they lost to Utah?
but yeah, with all of the action this weekend it’s hard to see Arizona in.
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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lunardi just says that if SDSU loses to Utah, that St. Mary’s would get in. St. Mary’s is definitely screwing up bracketology considering they were really good right up until the point Patty Mills got hurt.
He also has Creighton in, which is just one of those cases where the movement for giving mid-major teams more respect has just gone overboard. They have exactly one quality non-conference win (over Dayton) and lost in their conference tourney by 24 to a mediocre Illinois State team.
by Tedfordisgod on Mar 14, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I don’t like Creighton over the majority of the 8 teams he has in the final cuts.
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by Thoroughbred on Mar 14, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great win for SC
I hate their football team, but I really admire the effort and heart their basketball team puts into each game. They’re the type of team I’d dread to have to play. If they can maintain some consistency, they could be a surprise team in the tourney.
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by Berkelium97 on Mar 14, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially if Bozeman decides to pull a ’Melo in ’03 performance.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their team has also been chronically unhealthy all season. Hackett and Bozeman are very intimidating, along with Gibson and Simmons on the defensive end. Quality talent.
by Avinash on Mar 14, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful, Berkelium97
Thoroughbred will rip your head off for paying USC a compliment.
That said, I agree with you 100% and said this long ago. Look, we ALL hate USC, right? But this collection of about 8 basketball players? You have to not only like their talent and chances in the tourney, but admire the fight that they displayed in yesterday’s comeback. It would have been sad for them to not be in the tourney. We know Taj and Hatchet are fighters, but DeRozan was a freshman who is finally growing up. This time of year, the game is just starting to click for him. That gives them 3 “special” players, which is my magic number for a good team. And they have them in the right positions: guard, wing, center. If Dwight Lewis, who was their leading scorer for the first part of the season, can regain his early shooting form then that gives them 4 “players” and makes them definitely a tough out.
by concordtom on Mar 15, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful now. CBKWit is convinced you should add three more players (the refs who allowed a 21 to 4 advantage).
by Avinash on Mar 15, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone actually think that free throw disparity was justified?
Even 21-10 would have given the game to ASU. SC had an impressive run, but if this tourney is held anywhere else (excluding the “neutral” Galen Center), they’re going to the NIT
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by CBKWit on Mar 16, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, given that they snuck Arizona in there, USC probably gets in too or at least takes their spot.
by Avinash on Mar 16, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair point
but they shouldn’t have won the title game.
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by CBKWit on Mar 16, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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