Cal Sports Mount Rushmore
by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 10, 2009 1:26 PM PDT
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Ragnarok: So, our Cal Football Mt. Rushmore would be Andy Smith, Pappy Waldorf, Jeff Tedford, and Pete Elliot? Maybe Joe Kapp instead?
Carp: and no stub allison? coach of our last NC team in 1937?!?!
Ragnarok: man, i didn’t even recognize him as ‘leonard’. good point, screw elliot and kapp.
CalBear81: 
A Tougher Question. If you were going to pick a Mount Rushmore of Cal players, rather than coaches, who would you pick?
BearsNecessity: Kapp, White, Lynch and Muncie?
Spazzy McGee: -Muncie +Roth
Carp: wasn’t Muncie the best Cal RB evair (in terms of career stats)? and not that I can name any, but shouldn’t we also include a Rose Bowl/NC winner or two?
CalBear81: Not Joe Kapp. If we’re talking about a coaches Mount Rushmore, not Joe Kapp. You can’t help liking him but, as my late father liked to say, "As a coach, Joe Kapp makes a great cheerleader." To be fair to Kapp, when he was hired at Cal he had virtually no coaching experience, and he was apparently chosen in the hope that he could turn around the disaster of the Roger Theder years though sheer enthusiasm. It worked for the first year (1982, "The Play," and all), but it all went downhill rapidly (after going 7-4 in 1982, he was 13-30-1 in the next four seasons).
My Mount Rushmore picks would be Andy Smith, Pappy Waldorf, Jeff Tedford and either James Schaeffer (1909-1915) who had a career record of 73-16-8, or Leonard "Stubb" Allison (1935-1944) whose career record isn’t as impressive (58-42-2), but who is the only Cal coach other than Andy Smith who ever actually won a Rose Bowl.
TwistNHook: Marshawn. Marshawn. Marshawn. Joe Ayoob.
Carp: should we do something larger than a Mt Rushmore, given that Cal’s had ~80 players/season for a long time? There aren’t even 80 presidents I don’t think, so Mt Rushmore works for them.
CalBear81: But limiting it to four on offense and four on defense will make for nastier fights. (P.S. We’ve had 43 presidents. Obama is called the 44th president because Grover Cleveland’s two terms were not consecutive and he therefore gets counted twice.)
TwistNHook: Is that why the Simpsons had Grover Cleveland spanking Homer on two non-consecutive occasions?
TwistNHook: Excuse me, not Homer, but Grandpa Simpso.
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So, CGB, who's on your Cal Mount Rushmore? Who should be on it? The four greatest athletes in Cal history? Someone who took Cal to the Rose Bowl? Someone who won a Rose Bowl?
Grandpa Simpso?
Should it include non-athletes? I'm sure there are some nobel laureates who would certainly deserve to be chiseled in stone between His Lynchness and Chuck Muncie based on their contributions to Cal...
Let's hear it.
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I’m not going to read that transcript since you didnt include my comment.
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You mean your insightful comment about Grover Cleveland spanking Grampa Simpson? I agree. It was outrageous to omit that.
No, the Marshawn one.
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HAPP Y NOW?!?!?!??!?!!?!??!?!?!
A fresh of breath air.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 10, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s what she said.
A fresh of breath air.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 10, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, this conversation is getting off to a great start!
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I was gonna say…
A fresh of breath air.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 10, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame Grover Cleveland.
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Ironically, that was also William McKinley’s downfall. That, and the assassin that shot him.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
See, the good thing about being that fat is if you do, in fact, fall over, you’ll just roll around like a hamster ball instead of actually hurting yourself.
A fresh of breath air.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 10, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
An Actual List
It’s hard to compare players from different eras, since the rules, equipment, and strategies have changed so dramatically over the years. I tried to consider which players were the greatest in terms of the time in which they played, and also the impact they had on Cal football. Here goes
1. Brick Muller. He was Cal’s first All-American in 1921, and put Cal (and west coast) football on the map. He was the big star of Andy Smith’s Wonder Teams, and his 53-yard pass in the 1921 Rose Bowl made him nationally famous. 53 yards doesn’t seem like much, but it was all in the air, and that was back when the ball was much “fatter” and harder to throw. It was a huge deal at the time.
2. Jackie Jensen. “The Golden Boy” of the late 1940s, he could pass, catch and run. Pappy Waldorf said he was the best running back he ever saw. His 1080-yards rushing in 1947 was huge in that era. He was the leader of the Pappy Waldorf teams, and revitalized Cal football after WWII. (And he is the only man ever to play in both the Rose Bowl and the World Series.)
3. Joe Kapp. USC coach John Ralston said Kapp was the only player he ever saw who could play all 22 positions. He led Cal to its last (most recent?) Rose Bowl, even though he was the only guy on the team who was good enough to be drafted by the NFL. He was unquestionably the toughest guy who ever played quarterback at Cal. He refused to run out of bounds to avoid hits, saying “running out of bounds is for white guys.” After a 1958 game against USC, where the USC players taunted Cal’s only African-American player, Kapp went into the USC locker room and challenged the entire Trojan team to a fist fight. And although he wasn’t a very good coach at Cal, he was able to inspire his players to the point that they gave us The Play. That alone gives him Mount Rushmore status.
4. Chuck Muncie. The best running back ever. Period. (Sorry Marshawn.)
Tedford won’t pass any of those four?
by BearsNecessity on Mar 10, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just going for players. If I were including coaches, Andy Smith would certainly be on the list, but not Tedford, at least not yet. He would have to have at least a couple of Rose Bowls before he could be on the list.
For comparison, Andy Smith’s overall record was 74-16-7 (.799). His teams went undefeated for five straight years from 1920-1924 (44-0-4). He won three straight national championships, 1920, 1921, and 1922. His 1920 team, which may have been his best, went 9-0, outscored their opponents 510-14, and won the Rose Bowl. So it will be a while before I would be willing to put Tedford in his company.
That’s not really fair though. Back then there were only five-six schools in the conference, there was no USC until 1922. Not to diminish what Smith did, but he was coaching with house’s money just like Carroll does today.
by BearsNecessity on Mar 10, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, because USC wasn’t in the conference, it was a cakewalk for him to win three national championships in a row. Sure.
I outworthless the Maharg.
Proper analogy. Cal football in the 20s is to Cal rugby today.
by BearsNecessity on Mar 10, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
A sport that nobody else plays? I don’t think so. Even if it were, three national championships still wouldn’t be a cakewalk.
I outworthless the Maharg.
Dude, football was in its infancy in the 20s. Even though they probably played it more than rugby, I’d say winning three in football back then is the same as winning fifteen in rugby now.
by BearsNecessity on Mar 10, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And don’t forget that Andy Smith was only 43 when he died after the 1925 season. What else could he have accomplished if he had continued coaching into his 60s?
or, like Paterno, coached into his late 100’s?
A fresh of breath air.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 10, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Hitting the Reset Button
My first list was for players only.
My second comment was that if I were to make a list including both coaches and players, then Andy Smith would make the top four players/coaches. Tedford would not.
If I were making a list of coaches only, it would be Smith, Waldorf, Tedford and Allison.
hang on . . . is this REALLY your question? The four greatest athletes in Cal history?
Matt Biondi – 7 medals at one Olympic games. 5 golds.
Jason Kidd – 4th best point guard of all time (#3 in the NBA Assists IN HISTORY)
Helen Wills Moody – 19 Tennis Grand Slam singles titles, and according to Wikipedia, the first American born woman to achieve international celebrity as an athlete."
Jackie Jensen – see above.
Marshawn is better than all of those people. COMBINED!
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If those four people were combined it would result in a person with four heads, eight arms, and eight legs, and such a person would have a hard time playing sports. So Marshawn probably would be better.
Is it my question?
A fresh of breath air.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 10, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Somehow, I thought you would pick Leon Powe. Don’t know why I thought that. But I can’t argue with your list of the top four athletes overall (as opposed to football players only). Jackie Jensen wouldn’t make my top four overall athletes list based only on his football career. But he does belong on the list when you consider that football was only his second-best sport, after baseball.
Bee Tee Dubs
I should be starting and playing major minutes for the next two games. Big Baby is out. KG is out. Scal is out. There’s no other power forwards on the roster.
Doc will find some way to screw you. He always does.
by BearsNecessity on Mar 10, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
nice post spazzy, sorry so many aren’t taking it seriously.
This is a great topic, although it’s one that I don’t know much about.
I can agree on Jackie Jensen and Pappy as one player and coach who should go on the wall, although the latter had a lot of success away from Cal as well. Smith and Stubb should be on for having the only two NC’s. I’m holding off on the last coach, because I think it will be Tedford. However, I think he needs to have the SAHPC built and functioning before one can fully evaluate his abilities as a coach. With that in hand, I think we’ll see an uptick in elite level prospects coming to Cal, which will likely mean more victories over USC, conference championships, RB births, etc.
Getting back to the players to go alongside Jensen, I like the idea of Kapp and Muncie. One of the players should have NFL success to go along with the college career, because that keeps giving back to the university in terms of profile/sexiness. Now…who qualifies as such? Lynch could, but he needs to stay out of the doghouse. Nmadi could, but he needs another 5 great years or so. Rodgers could but that’s obviously too early.
Here’s an unsexy name: Todd Steussie
3 x All Pac10
Morris Trophy
1st round draft pick
213 NFL games
2 x Pro Bowl
Super Bowl appearance
Tony G would also be a nice (perhaps better) choice.
All American in football
also played basketball
10 x Pro Bowler
6 x All Pro
most receptions & yardage for a TE
performed heimlich on choking friend and saving his life.
Marshawn...if you're reading this...I'll JOIN YOUR POSSE FOR FREE! Dave Chappelle says every group of brothas needs a white dude for safety in case the shit goes down (which it allegedly has with you several times) and someone needs to talk to the pol-ece.
heh, I don’t mind, I didn’t really put a ton of effort into this post.
A fresh of breath air.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 10, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Craig Morton? He was the first quarterback to start in Superbowl games for two different teams, Dallas in 1970 and Denver in 1977. Lost them both, but still . . .
he’s nice, but not as accomplished as Tony G at both the collegiate and professional levels. He was an All American and a 1st round pick as a TE! HoFer for sure…is Morton?
Marshawn...if you're reading this...I'll JOIN YOUR POSSE FOR FREE! Dave Chappelle says every group of brothas needs a white dude for safety in case the shit goes down (which it allegedly has with you several times) and someone needs to talk to the pol-ece.
Steve Bartkowski (Wikipedia sezs):
Bartkowski was chosen with the 1st overall pick in the 1975 NFL Draft, ahead of Walter Payton, by the Atlanta Falcons and was the NFL Rookie of the Year as well as The Sporting News NFC Rookie of the Year in 1975. He was the first client of legendary sports agent Leigh Steinberg.
Bartkowski is one of only seven quarterbacks in NFL history who have achieved two consecutive (back-to-back) 30-touchdown passing seasons (1980 & 1981) at least one time in their career. The others are Brett Favre, Dan Fouts, Jeff Garcia, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino and Y.A. Tittle. Bartkowski was selected to the Pro Bowl after both the 1980 and 1981 seasons and was selected 2nd Team All-NFC following the 1980 campaign.
Bartkowski led the NFL in passing in 1983 with a passer rating of 97.6.
wow.
players.
Kapp, Roth, Jensen, Bartkowski, Ron Rivera, Stussie
Biondi, Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Mary Magher,
coaches
Pete Newell, Pappy waldorf, stubb allison, andy smith,
not yet but maybe
tedford , both montgomery, and the women’s coach whose name I can’t remember, lynch, rodgers,
Go Bears Go
Coaches (for Cal, not Cal football) – this might be the toughest one to crack:
Andy Smith, Pappy Waldorf, Jack Clark, Pete Newell
left on the outside:
Diane Ninemire, Pete Cutino . . . I’m sure there’s bunch more (Nibs Price? Bob Milano? Teri McKeever?)
bob milano doesn’t belong on this list. Good baseball coach, but not that good.
Marshawn...if you're reading this...I'll JOIN YOUR POSSE FOR FREE! Dave Chappelle says every group of brothas needs a white dude for safety in case the shit goes down (which it allegedly has with you several times) and someone needs to talk to the pol-ece.
can't believe
that only Rocksanddrit and LeonPowe said Pete Newell. He should be the first person on there.
by gogoldenbears on Mar 10, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
great coach
only wish he’d had a longer career. but then, you could say that about just about every cal coach outside Clark and Ninemire.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
I totally forgot cutino!
when he was coach we won 75% of the national championships in water polo. now we only win 50%.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Mar 16, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually for me the Cal Mount Rushmore is probably:
Glenn T. Seaborg, Clark Kerr, Chang-Lin Tien, Pete Newell
Wow, I’ve never seen so many horrific misspellings of the word “TwistNHook” before in my life!
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by BearsNecessity on Mar 10, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t help but feel as you are merely an innocent bystander here.
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Does that mean that any President left off Mount Rushmore is better than the ones placed on there? Dubya>Lincoln?
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Nah, I think it’s more like listing the Top 3 best bands Dave Grohl was in, and leaving off Nirvana.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Clark Kerr, no. Maybe Robert Gordon Sproul instead. Or Benjamin Ide Wheeler.
Chang-Lin Tien, for sure. I met him at an alumni gathering in Orlando before the Citrus Bowl in 1992 when he was Chancellor. When I said that I wanted to thank him for bringing some support to the football program (after years of neglect and even open hostility by previous chancellors), Tien said, “All I care about is football.” After he left to go smooze with other alums, my friend and I looked at each other in astonishment and we both said, “did he really say that all he cares about is football?” He was really delightful. He was down on the sideline at the Citrus Bowl, running back and forth as the teams went up and down the field. I have this great picture of him standing at the goal line with his arms raised in the “touchdown” signal when Cal scored one of its many touchdowns in that game.
by CalBear81 on Mar 10, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I love love Chancellor Tien
Nevermind that he was an absolutely brillant professor and engineer.
Nevermind that he basically saved the university through several rounds of budget cuts and pushed through increased salaries for professors.
Nevermind that he raised 1 billion dollars – much of it through working the Taiwanese/Chinese/HK alumni markets who hadn’t ever been courted before.
Nevermind that he would wander through Moffitt during finals, with a big thing of cookies exhorting students to “study hard!.”
I’ve never met a bigger Cal fan than him. I know he once changed his flight returning from a University President/Chancellor’s conference to catch the Cal vs. Kansas football game on a Thursday night. After beating Stanford in the 1993 Big Game (first win in a long time) and with the students running around on the field – he was there too, waving to everyone! Hello students! My friend gave him a giant piece of sod – and he was waving it around. I’ve seen him lead the band. I’ve seen him get in the layup line with the basketball team (he played growing up in Taiwan). The chancellor prior to Tien (Heyman) wanted cal to become div II or III or perhaps go to an entire club sports system. Tien declared that he wanted Cal to be #1 in academics AND sports.
I miss that man.
by LeonPowe on Mar 10, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm actually worried current Cal students and later alums
Don’t know enough about Chancellor Tien.
Here’s a couple of links.
These stories sound like exaggeration, but he really would walk through campus and yelling “Go Bears!” to greet students on a daily basis. I remember one Daily Cal columnist had a column talking about how he once saw Chancellor Tien on campus at 8pm walking home from his office, with no one else around, and the Chancellor walked 30 feet out of the way to pick up 3 or 4 paper bags from the grass and throw them in the garbage.
Berkeley.edu’s eulogy
Short list for what?
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For Mount Rushmore candidacy
Remember, the enemy's end zone is DOWN!
by GoldBlooded on Mar 10, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Also those needing a good ear to listen to a story about onions and belts
Remember, the enemy's end zone is DOWN!
by GoldBlooded on Mar 10, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
IT WAS THE STYLE AT THE TIME!
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Many Mt. Rushmores:
Football players, NFL impact: Morton, Lynch, Gonzalez, Bartkowski
Football players, college impact: Munchie, Jensen, Roth, White
Coaches, football: Tedford, Waldorf, Smith, Allison
Coaches, all sports: Newell, Waldorf, Smith, Clark
Basketball players: Johnson, Kidd, Powe, Murray
Olympians: Biondi, Coughlin, Kidd, Johnny Moseley
Random players who deserve consideration:
Alex Mack (academic Heisman!) Kevin Moen (25-20!) Rod Benson (pure, unadulterated awesome)
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by norcalnick on Mar 10, 2009 11:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Instead of Powe (gah!), I’d probably put Darrall Imhoff on there. 1960 Olympian, 1959 NCAA Champ, 1960 NCAA runner up, guarded Wilt Chamberlin during the 100-point game (oh wait.)
Instead of Kidd in the Olympians, I think Michele Granger. Or Joy Fawcett. or one of those beach volleyball players.
I like that you spelled it Munchie.
or if you want a Mt. Rushmore of Doofuses...
Roy “wrong-way” Riegels
Tom Holmoe
Nate Longshore
and…Mack Brown. Sure, he didn’t attend Cal, but I couldn’t help myself.
Spazzy, someday – and that day may never come – I’ll call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, accept this rec as a gift.
the Maharg is above catch phrases
god I feel dirty inside
May your first child be a masculine child.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 12, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
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