Looking ahead to 2010
Yea I know there's still a bowl game to go, national signing day to come, etc but I think a preliminary look at next season might be useful.
If you're like me, the media or most other Cal fans you bought into the hype this year about Cal having one of it's best team since 2004. You thought that this year was the year, that our losses on defense and offensive lines could easily be "reloaded", etc. Even more this was not the first year you were burnt. 2009 was supposed to be Rose Bowl. 2008 a 9 or 10 win season (ok that worked out), 2007 Rose Bowl or even (gasp!) National Championship, 2006 Rose Bowl, 2005 9 or 10 wins, etc etc. That is of course unless you are HydroTech who always predicts our collapses. This time I refuse to be sucked into any hype whatsoever. Therefore I will try and take an objective look at what is the most pessimistic (and realistic) result we can hope to achieve next year. Keep in mind that this doesn't account for recruiting studs/duds and injuries among other factors.
Losses on Defense
We can safely assume that no one is going to declare to go in the draft (then again we said the same of Morrah). So all of ours losses come from seniors graduating. Oh what losses:
44 Tyson Alualu DL
50 Kevin Bemoll DL
10 Devin Bishop LB
20 Jesse Brooks DB
29 Marcus Ezeff DB
25 Brett Johnson DB
5 Syd'Quan Thompson DB
9 Eddie Young LB
I've bolded the players that either were starters or contributed significantly this season.
Needless to say we're losing a lot of talent. Especially in the secondary where we've had problems all season. There is no doubt in my mind that we are going to miss Syd and Tyson who are both NFL level talent. Tyson was pretty much the only in the D-line that consistently did anything even when double teamed and Syd was your typical lockdown passer, so much so that some teams refused to throw to him. Of course that didn't help when your other corner sucked. We also lose Brett Johnson who was a pretty serviceable safety. I still think Cattouse has more of an upside and naturally he took over Ezeff's spot (who is also graduating) but I wonder who will take over for Johnson? Furthermore we lose two of our four linebackers. This linebacking corps only started playing up to it's potential towards the Arizona game and now we're losing half of it again.
The 2010 Defense
This is a hard question mainly because there are quite a few players who are red shirting right now that might have a chance to make some noise. But one would think that it would still be our seniors who play the most.
Assuming we stick with the 3-4 base set (and all signs point to yes) we need three defensive linemen. I'll bet my money on Cameron Jordan and Derrick Hill being two of the three (with Hill as the Nose Tackle). These two showed promise this year with occasional flashes of brilliance, especially Hill before he went down with an injury (a recurring problem). Hopefully they step up but Jordan is a senior now and we've been hearing about his so called potential and outside of a few games (i.e. Wazzu) I haven't seen anything so I'm not hoping for much. As for the third lineman? I'm guessing it will have to be a battle between Guyton and Owusu. I was impressed with Guyton in his limited playing time but Owusu has shown to be disruptive as a pass rusher. Then again we might get some new talent to take this spot or someone like Ryan Davis or Keni Kaufusi (who was great on the scout team this year) will step in. Whomever plays I don't see an improvement in this unit. Perhaps it might even be weaker barring some absolute breakout year.
As for our linebackers Mike Mohammed who has been solid to stud-like this year will most definitely be the anchor. Hopefully he learns to avoid taking the wrong angle with running backs. Chances are that Micheal Kendricks will be taking up a position next to MikeMo. Kendricks lost his starting job during the UCLA game due to injury and hasn't really played a lot. Here's hoping that he steps up and plays to his potential. He does have experience coming in and that will be crucial. Who will we see as the other two? Right now the competition might be between DJ Holt, Jarred Price and Jerome Meadows. I personally think that it might be Holt and Meadows because Price is just a little too undersized to play Pac-10 ball, but don't be surprised to see him out there when the game is on the line. Chris Little (who moved to LB earlier this year) is probably in contention as well. I was impressed with what I saw of him in the spring game. With that said expect them to struggle again early in the season. It probably might not be as bad as this year (though if the D-line struggles it could get ugly) but don't expect a Follet situation. The only good thing I can think about is that we should have a solid unit in 2011 as we only replace one player (Mohammed).
If you thought that was bad wait 'till you take a look at the secondary. Firstly let's look at the the safties/defensive backs. I personally think that Cattouse was our one shining star in the secondary this year and look forward to seeing him laying the lumber again next year. Expect to see more of Moncrease, DJ Campell and others. I really don't know what to make of our DBs other than it's probably meh. Conte should hopefully get some playing time outside of the nickle defense but he still makes boneheaded decisions so it may not be the best thing.
As for our corners? Uh oh. With Syd gone there is a huge gap here. Who plays? Darian "I can't defend but I can taunt" Hagan? If he recaptures his 2008 form then I'll be happy but right now I'm going to assume the worst. Josh Hill was continuously picked on by defenses and for the most part he didn't do much. He did have a game winning tackle against ASU and a pick or two throughout the season but I wonder how he'll do as the featured corner. Then we have Marc Anthony who I have yet to see play even though he'll be a RS Sophomore. Supposedly he was good in the scout team but that means nothing to me right now. I'm hoping that Steve Williams (who RS this year) will be what he was billed to be. This is the 4* recruit we stole from Oklahoma this year. Whatever the case we're going to be susceptible to the pass again.
Losses on Offense
I'm going to assume that Jahvid Best leaves for the draft (and to be honest there's a very good chance he does), but that no one else leaves early.
4 Jahvid Best HB (*)
8 Nyan Boateng WR
83 Skylar Curran TE
33 Brian Holley FB
44 Tad Smith TE (**)
58 Chet Teofilo OL
79 Mike Tepper OL
86 Verran Tucker WR
* Best is a junior
** Tad Smith may apply for injury RS and return though it is doubtful
Surprisingly (or not) other than Best and maybe Tucker we don't see any huge losses like we did on defense. And with Best we have a very capable and proven backup who has already assumed the mantle of starter. That is not to say we don't miss Best because we will miss his explosive style but Vereen is more than capable of hitting a home run. We might miss Boateng here a bit, especially his downfield blocking, but he was sort of "phased out" early in the season and we had others step up so it won't be too bad. Curran really stepped up towards the end of the year and we will miss him but we still have Miller who is the true star at TE. Holley may not be a Ta'ufo'ou but he did admirably well (as well as you can do with an O-line that couldn't had more holes than swiss cheese) and we're going to have to find a replacement yet again. Chances are that it is Will Kapp but it remains to be seen. Tucker was a starting WR and he had some clutch catches (and some very un-clutch drops) and will surely be missed. Tepper... well this might be addition by subtraction. I hate to say anything about him as he really seems to be a great guy who has been through some tough times but he's no where close to his 2007 form. He commits way too many penalties (how many false starts and holding calls went against #79?) and is pretty poor in pass blocking. I don't think we miss him that much to be honest.
The 2010 Offense
The general feeling is that this offense should be better than the 2009 one mainly due to the increased experience of the players. Despite wanting to feel pessimistic I have to agree.
The offensive line is where it begins and ends (as we found out disastrously in 2009). It doesn't matter if it's Best, Vereen, DeBo or Yarnway in the backfield, but if the O-line continues to suck it up it will be another long season. Thankfully all but one of our starters return for 2010 and here's hoping that the one full year of experience will cure most maladies. Matt Summers-Gavin (aka MSG) was the catalyst this season. Without him we got blown out. With him we beat a red hot Arizona and Stanfurd team. Needless to say I hope he stays healthy! Schwartz seemed solid despite suffering what looked like a small sophomore slump. Guarnero is too small to play Pac-10 ball as a center. It will be interesting to see if maybe Fisher or Brazinski do replace him. However if they do be prepared for some sloppy play. I've been frustrated with Cheadle all season but I hope a year's worth of experience means he'll mitigate the disaster. It will be interesting to see Boskovich, Edwards and Galas all play. I do think that this unit will be better next year (I mean how could you not!?) but just how much remains to be seen.
I think we should be well set at wide receiver. Marvin Jones really stepped up big and he was only a sophomore so we will be seeing more of him in 2010. I'm starting to think he's in the mold of Robert Jordan and Hawkins (with a few drops) which bodes well for us. Ross is a wildcard. Surely three years would teach him how to catch the damn ball because when he does he's got the potential to break one free. Lagemann has only one dropped pass (at UW) and that was mostly Riley's fault. My only knock on him is the fact that he's always on the ground catching. Calvin is a depressing thought. He was supposed to be the best receiver on the team and right now he's struggling coming back from his ACL injury. I don't have high hopes but surely he'll do better than pedestrian next year? We will miss Tucker and perhaps even Boateng but I think we will make up for those losses sooner rather than later. I know I this is being optimistic but the fact that we retain nearly 80% of our WR corps including the playmakers makes me happy.
Anthony Miller is a stud at TE. He comes up absolutely clutch with those catches over the middle of the field and is a threat in the redzone which we need. I hope in his junior year he will continue to improve but I will not make any assumptions. Furthermore he better not have a sophomore slump. We will miss Curran but Spencer Ladner (who started out higher on the depth chart than Curran) who missed most of 2009 with an injury should theoretically be equal to Curran.
At fullback we miss Bryan Holley who performed decently well and chances are Will Kapp takes over the spot unless something else happens. To be honest I don't know what to expect out of this position. It was mediocre in 2009 and it will probably remain the same.
This is Kevin Riley's team now more than ever. There might be another open QB compeition but I highly doubt Riley loses this one. He has really come of age towards the end of the season (UW non-withstanding considering he spent most of the game running away from defenders) and we have to hope he continues to improve. Even if he doesn't I don't see him being better than a RS Soph in Sweeney, RS Junior in Mansion or RS FR in Bridgford, none of whom have any meaningful Division 1A snaps. Riley may never be an All-Pac-10 QB but he's got the potential for being a fringe NFL player. And he's the best we have.
At halfback it is without a doubt Shane Vereen's show. The kid has proved he is as capable as any backs to have played for Cal. Of course a lot depends on the O-line's ability to open holes but I look forward to seeing Vereen run. And behind Vereen we have DeBoskie who has impressed me in his limited carries (he had one carry of less than 5 yards!), Isi who has the speed for the fly sweep a la James Rodgers, and Desarte if supposed to be the second coming of Marshawn. If there is any position on this team where a hyped player has panned out year after year it is a Coach Gould coached running back so I have no hesitation in trusting Yarnway. This is (as usual) our strongest unit on the team. However we should start recruiting as we're going to need some new backs soon.
Special Teams
(Note: I had originally forgotten the ST... with good reason)
There's nothing really to say here. We don't lose anyone other than hopefully Pete Alamar. In fact this is almost all on coaching. We have one of the best punters in the conference or even the country and he had to resort to talking to his high school coach to regain form. Tavecchio looked like he was doing well towards the latter half of the season so hopefully he'll come back and continue the trend. His kickoffs also seemed to be gravitating closer to the endzone at snail's pace but it's an improvement. We just need to improve coverage both for kicking and returning. We have talented returners in Isi and Ross but they need some space to run. I will continue to not have hope for this unit until we get a new coach.
A look at our schedule
Sept. 4 - UC Davis
Sept. 11 - Colorado
Sept. 18 - at Nevada
Sept. 25 - Washington
Oct. 2 - at Arizona
Oct. 9 - UCLA
Oct. 16 - at USC
Oct. 23 - Arizona State
Oct. 30 - at Oregon State
Nov. 6 - at Washington State
Nov. 13 - Oregon
Nov. 20 - BYE
Nov. 27 - BYE
Dec. 4 - Stanford
Bolded are home games and I have inserted the bye weeks into the schedule.
Well this schedule is not going to remain as it is. We are playing 11 games in a row! What the hell? Expect to see a game moved down. We might also end with a non-Big Game game again which is unfortunate. Since I have no way of knowing what the final schedule is I'm going to avoid talking about when we face a team.
UC Davis shouldn't be a problem for us to handle at all (and if it is... well...) and Colorado at home under a coach that would've been fired if they had the money should be easy enough to handle. No our first real test comes at Nevada with Kapernick and his pistol formation. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we lost this one due to our passing defense inefficiencies especially as this game might be pretty early in the season. We get UW, UCLA and ASU at home and these are teams I don't see improving significantly. UW will be better but I think Locker will leave which should give our defense some breathing room especially at home. UCLA is a toss up because Prince should be better and they'll have some experienced WRs. But will their O-line come together? ASU I don't really know but I'm going to guess that they're not going to be much better. However the chances are good they'll be going with that Syzacky guy who can run on us if we're not careful. Although we play at Wazzu and Tuel will probably burn us for another 300 yards I think we can beat them unless something miraculous happens. As for the other teams? Well Barkley will be better and USC will rebound, Oregon returns their stellar O-line, Masoli and LaMichael James, Oregon State will find somebody better than everyone else, and Stanfurd will have Luck even though they'll lose Gerhart. Perhaps the only good thing is that we get Stanfurd and Oregon at home.
Conclusion
It still is premature to guess our record but I do think that this is a team with decent to really good offense with what might be a subpar defense that might even be worse than this years. This may seem too negative but I'm not going to blindly hope for a miracle again. Unless we can teach these guys to block the damn receivers and break up passes it's going to be another long season unless we can score more than the other guys.
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Good post
Unless we can teach these guys to block the damn receivers and break up passes it’s going to be another long season unless we can score more than the other guys.
So if we can teach them to block receivers and break up passes, we don’t have to score more than the others guys?
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No I meant that we’re going to have to get into a shootout if these guys can’t defend the pass.
In other words, Go Bears!
I guarantee
the team that scores more points will win the game.
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by Ploppity Drown on Dec 7, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Locker leaves. He doesn’t have that much college experience, and another year would do him good. Just to mature and get better, nevermind the fact that NFL scouts would want to see more wouldn’t they? Besides, you got Tebow, Bradford and Clausen all coming out ahead of you, and the nation doesn’t really know who he is yet.
Just my two cents, anyway.
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Yes but…the NFL is all about the measurables and Locker has them in abundance. I think he’s a 1st round pick for a team that can sit him for 3 years (a la Rodgers).
Goin' balls deep with Cal since 1972!
No team ever drafts a QB expecting him to sit for three years though.
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Well yeah, but he’s not coming out early to get drafted in the second round either.
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I know, but your statement as is is not accurate.
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I figured it was pretty obvious given where he’s been projected. He won’t be coming out early in planning to sit for three years. And if a team drafts a QB and projects him as a starter at all, that happens before three years except in the most extenuating of circumstances. Ergo, Locker’s not sitting for three years if he comes out. The situation is even more urgent for him if he does come out and get drafted in the first, which is where everyone thinks he’ll go.
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Locker is a better pro prospect than McCoy, Tebow, and I would even say Bradford
Right now if Locker came out he would surely be selected ahead of Tebow and McCoy. He would also have a good chance of passing up Bradford as well if he had a good combine/work out. Bradfords shoulder injury is going to scare a lot of people away from selecting him high.
The only real QB that could challenge Locker for the 1st QB chosen would be Clausen.
It doesn’t matter that really know who Locker is, I guarantee you every NFL scout knows who Locker is and that is all that matters when you are going pro.
Locker probably has just as many starts as Rodgers had when he decided to go pro.
those guys are not ahead of him
Projected as the #1 QB in the draft. Your college career means less than 0 in the NFL. (look at heisman winners that don’t even get drafted). Locker is as good as gone.
by DavidsonBear on Dec 8, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Projected #1 in the draft by educated guessers. Professional educated guessers, but conjecturers nonetheless. Not saying it’s not true, just that I’m not convinced.
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(Or rather, not convinced on that basis.)
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It was fantastic."
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that would suck… 7 games in a row still… and with the 7th being against Oregon?!?!?!! Talk about fail.
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Allegedly U-Dub @ home is in process of being bumped to 11/27 (Thanksgiving), giving byes on 9/25 (prior to Pac-10 play: good) and 11/20 (late in the season: bad). It’s a rumor until it’s announced, though.
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i don’t like 7 games in a row. period. especially against an Oregon O we need complete discipline and technique against
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Without this bump, it’s 12 games in a row! :-o
To my untrained eyes, we have to either cram it all in or play a conference letdown game until Big Game gets the bump to December. Or what, we do non-conference late in the season like some of our brethren?
Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic.
I wish we could bump one of the other Pac-10 games though (say, week 6 or so)
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Yeah, I hear ya, but I see the break before conference play and the finish with Big Game as nice positives. It is entirely possible that U-Dub was the only team able (we could check other schedules) and willing (we’ll never know here) to move their game.
Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic.
I think the Stanfurd game remains the last game of the year, playing after the first weekend in December is EXTREMELY rare. Knowing nothing about opponent’s schedules, and having watched Cal face plant in the cold of Washington, I don’t want to move Wazzou back. I’d much prefer moving a home game back, but doing so would mean clustering all our road games together. I don’t like the idea of having the middle of our schedule be dominated by road games.
Nice post
Thanks for doing all that research and putting it into one place.
I’m betting one of the mid-season conference games will get pushed to the Nov. 20th spot.
I think we have a good shot at going 8-4.
Probable wins: UC Davis, Colorado, Washington (if Locker departs), UCLA, ASU, WSU
Toss-ups: at Nevada, Washington (if Locker returns), at Oregon St, Stanford (?)
Heh…good luck: at Arizona, at USC, Oregon
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Price is just a little too undersized to play Pac-10 ball
They seeem to like Price as a pass rush specialist, he really only seemed to play in 3rd down and pass situations. Being as short as he is he seemed like he could get low and go under/around the tackle on the edge at times and was fairly effective doing that. I also thought Davis was moved to LB instead of d-line?
Very nice write-up
I’ve heard that the biggest jump a QB makes is from his jr to sr year…Please sweet mother of God, let that be true.
It’ll be open competition come spring, but no way Tedford goes with anyone but Riley due to game experience and “game management.”
At WR, Jones and Lagemann are solid. JRoss is still a talented x-factor until he improves his hands. It’d be nice if Calvin can regain his confidence after all the injuries…Unknown whether any of the young guys/new guys will make a difference.
Miller has been a pleasant surprise at TE. I think his receiving skills are fine…Just needs more time in the weight room and a focus on improving his blocking to become a real gamechanger. It’d be nice to see Ladner(like Calvin) shake the injury bug and show why he was so heavily recruited.
FB wasn’t a strength this year. If we don’t have anyone that can be a reliable lead blocker, pass pro, outlet guy, we may do more single back or H-Back/double TE stuff.
Oline could very well determine whether we have a chance to make some noise, or it’s business as usual for Cal fans. Schwartz and MSG are probable starters. Besides that, it could very well be an open competition for the rest of the rotation. And after this year, it really should. If Schwenke is as good as touted, he may start over Cheadle. Guarnero really struggled against bigger lineman…not sure if it’s a question of technique or just needing to get stronger. Let’s hope some of those touted recruits who blueshirted are ready to go and push for playing time. If we have another nightmare year on the line, you really have to look at the position coach.
Dline is likely to be solid, but not spectacular. We have a number of good but not great players. It’s just unknown whether anyone is going to step up and be a game-changer like King Tyce. Hill, Tipoti, Jordan, Owusu, Guyton + Keni make a pretty good rotation.
If any of the LB’s can show pass-rushing skills, it’ll make the Dline better. Mohammed will start and should be better if they leave him at one spot. The other spots are up for grabs between Holt, Kendricks, Little, Browner, Price, Meadows, Davis…Maybe Fanua. It really disappointed me that the coaching staff kept flipping guys around so late in the season. It’s got to slow their development and make it tough to be in the proper position if you keep getting shuffled around.
The secondary is a little worrisome without Syd. Apparently, he got hurt early in the 1Q vs. the Dubs and you saw the rest. Cattouse is okay as a safety. We really need someone to step up at the other spot. Unfortunately, no one else got any game experience, so we’re breaking in an untested safety. Great.
Besides that, we’ve got a bunch of guys with a lot of question marks. Nnabuife, Hagan, Conte, Hill make for an underwhelming group of corners…Nnabuife and Conte are the guys you play as your third or 4th CB. Maybe Hagan can return to form if his knee gets better. I have more hope for Hill simply because he was really young this year and at least tackles well. There have been plenty of corners that took lumps early who turned out okay.(Hughes and Syd come to mind) Anthony was touted, but couldn’t earn time ahead of anyone else. Doh. Maybe star recruit Williams can make a difference…but RS freshman CB’s tend to take their lumps.
Thinking about special teams depresses me. But the bar is low. Real low.
by Kodiak on Dec 7, 2009 2:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nnabuife
Watching tape against Stanford again; I disagree that Nnabuife is that weak. I believe he has a reasonable chance at a starting CB position this coming year. Agree with Conte, Hagan, and Hill though. They’ve been exposed in various games.
I like Browner’s play as a potential LB too. He’d definitely capable of pass rush, but no so much pass defense. I’ll make a little chart and post what I think appears likely. Here’s the thing: your point about moving linebackers all year is right on. Expect guys to do well at LB requires patience, almost like developing QB’s . Cal LB’s were out of position almost all year on short pass situations, and this had as much to do with pass defense as questions at CB, IMHO.
MONCREASE
I just hope moncrease learns how to play the game and that his knowledge catches up with his amazing physical talents.
We’ve had good cover guys as DBs…but they don’t HIT. MONCREASE CAN HIT!
cattouse might hit, but imagine...
that same intensity with an extra 20-30 lbs.
by DavidsonBear on Dec 8, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
he didn’t make the catch. it was bobbled while he was out of bounds. it boggles my mind how people didn’t see this.
Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.
Looked good to me, it boggles my mine how people think he bobbled it.
(actually I don’t know, either way it was an impressive play by both of them)
RILEY
I don’t see Riley becoming any better in his Senior yr. He’s good when he’s good, terrible when he’s…umm..terrible.
As compared to anybody else who is good when their terrible?
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by DavidsonBear on Dec 8, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
What? Kevin Riley a victim of backupQBitis? There is no irony left in this world, is there?
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Riley is Possibly the Worst QB in the PAC-10
At the very least he is in the bottom 3. Yeah the OL sucked, but Riley sucked worse. And the OL problem may have been coaching. We will see next year. Riley is as good as he is going to get, so accept it.
However, I will have to say that the DBs were the biggest disappointment this year, and not QB because I didn’t expect that much from QB. We were supposed to have the best secondary in the Pac-10 since they were decent last year and everybody returned. Guess what – they were among the worst in the Pac-10. What happened?
by Fair Weather Cal Fan on Dec 7, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
He’s better than whatever ASU and WSU had this year, and I’d say he performed marginally better than Barkley and Prince, although I’d like to compare stats to confirm. Seems likely he’ll end up better than whoever OSU has at QB next year. If Locker goes pro it seems to me there are only 3 QBs clearly better than Kevin going into next season.
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Teul looked fantastic against Cal.
So did E-Wash’s QB.
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Kevin looked better than both of them in those respective games though.. lol
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 8, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I bet you were not saying this after the UCLA, ASU, and Furd games, which he lit up
Lack of pass rush, key injuries… this is pretty obvious
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One more thing:
Bottom 3? Are you trolling, or did you not watch other Pac-10 games?
Here are some stats of Pac-10 QBs if you want to look them up: http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/leader/905/player/split01/category02/sort01.html
Better overall numbers than Barkley, Foles, Locker, Sullivan, Prince, arguably Luck (besides YPA)…
If you want to place consistency game-in and game-out as your prime factor, then OK… but the coaches around the league would not agree with your bottom 3 assessment
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Less concrete but also worth noting: Riley got what looks very much like a vote of confidence from his teammates when they voted him as offensive team captain. I don’t know if the offensive players would have done that if they didn’t believe in his ability to play.
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Riley is not bottom three
When Riley is on he is easily top three in the Pac 10.
Unfortunately when Riley is off, he has to be in the bottom third of Pac 10 QBs. If not in dead last.
I just have never seen a QB that has been so hot and cold than Riley. When things are good, they are great. When they are bad, they are TERRIBLE!
Well, that’s who we’re going to have next year. If he gets good protection, I feel we’ll see a lot more Good Riley than Bad next year. The only way any of the other QBs on the roster will overtake is if they are really and truly talented and polished in practice. If so, it’ll be nice to see if that translates to the game. But I’ll support Riley next year just the same.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 7, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not terribly optimistic about Riley improving either. As is, he’s good enough to allow Cal to compete for a conference championship, a la Longshore in 2006. But it’s also painfully obvious that he’s not the next Aaron Rodgers. Barring injury, at least we know Cal will enter 2010 with, at worst, a decent quarterback who gives the Bears a chance to win. At best, maybe one of the younger guys steps up in the spring and summer to steal the job away. Then my expectations for 2010 would really begin to rise.
P.S. I’m as guilty as anyone, but maybe we should abandon all the Aaron Rodgers comparisons? He was a special, special player for Cal, and it’s unrealistic to expect every new guy to live up to his standards—lest we become Tennessee fans waiting for the next Peyton Manning, OSU fans waiting for the next Barry Sanders, Pitt fans waiting for the next Tony Dorsett, etc..
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Dec 8, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
But it’s also painfully obvious that he’s not the next Aaron Rodgers.
In other news, sky: blue, water: wet.
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It was fantastic."
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Don't underestimate the value of a senior QB
Yes, Riley is maddening. But looking at this season as a whole, I would have to say that Riley improved over 2008. He’s better in the pocket, more accurate (for the most part), and made fewer bad decisions with the ball. If he continues to work hard in the offseason, it’s reasonable to expect that he will continue to improve. The question, of course, is how much will he improve?
Look, I’m not going to put Riley in the same category as an Aaron Rodgers. And he can certainly improve in certain areas (consistent accuracy and ball security come to mind). But going into next year, he will have 23 career starts, or thereabouts. He has experience and has shown enough flashes of good play that it’s not inconceivable that it will all “click” for him as a senior. We shouldn’t write him off.
Praise be to Tedford!
Ludwig factor
I’m also hoping that another year w/Ludwig will help. For Ludwig, I’m hoping that he has a better understanding of his players capabilities and what (if anything) he can do to make up for their insufficiencies when opposing defenses attack them. Play calling can’t take the place of talent, but it should be able to minimize the 42-10’s.
Excellent writeup
I think Riley will improve, because the overall experience of QB and WR will be improved.
I’m very excited to see all the new guys come in, especially Kaufusi (who I sat next to on a place once), and Williams.
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Stupid rumor update
ESPN has Tedford supposedly linked to the Kansas job…not a chance
If that happened I’d take it as a sign from God to devote my life to the study of physics, with a focus on figuring out how to get to the alternate universe where things are actually sane.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
ESPN also has Tedford on the list of potential Tiger Woods mistresses.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 7, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Harbaugh is ESPN’s #2 candidate. His wife is apparently from the Kansas City, MO area. All they say next to Tedford is “has he hit a ceiling in Berkeley?”
Either way, Tedford would be out of his mind if he went to Kansas.
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
yeah i know, i remember legitimately being scared back when the Michigan rumors were hot, but this is just comical
by First and Ten on Dec 7, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
This is bunk
Came from a list from a Kansas newspaper which read more like a Christmas wish list.
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Speaking of coaches being linked to other jobs
did everyone hear that Harbaugh interviewed with the ND AD about their vacant HC position?
Although, I doubt they go back to the stanfurd well after Willingham didn’t work.
Harbaugh said on Monday night that he hasn’t even been contacted by ND. But he could have been lying, so thing’s remain calm for the SunBowl.
That would be stupid reason to rule out a HC.
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Regarding Harbaugh: I agree that is a stupid reason but CFB fans/alumni/boosters/
decision makers are not he most rational bunch of people in the world.
According to an article on ESPN, the one about Kelly speaking to ND about the HC position, Harbaugh has already been contacted and talked to ND people.
If you watched the MNF game tonight, did you notice Jim Harbaugh on the Ravens sidelines? The game was played in Green Bay, Wisconsin, which is only a short flight away from Notre Dame.
Yeah, because his brother is the coach.
I mean, he said in the interview straight up that he did not contact Notre Dame, and they did not contact him. But, I really think he may have been lying. When asked by the reporter, “Will you be at Furd next year?” He said: “I love Stanford” and “God willing”… which is basically saying “I’m not going to put it in concrete that I am”… he’s leaving his options open.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 7, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
True his brother is the coach of Baltimore but I would be shocked
if ND doesn’t interview Harbaugh, although I doubt they hire him.
All I am saying, Wisconsin is geographically close to Indiana.
Nice write up
Yes I am worried about the secondary, especially after expecting them to be one of the stregnths of the team. However, how much worse could they get?
As you stated, Cattouse should be an upgrade over Ezeff. Johnson was decent but far from great. I really believe Hagan will have a huge bounce back year and win one of the two CB positions. I believe Hagan missing spring ball, then his lingering knee tendinitis, and residence in the dog house all culminated in him losing confidence and having a sub par season. The other CB position is wide open.
One reason why the secondary had such a terrible year was due to Cal’s inconsistent pass rush. A great pass rush (which we had last season) will always make the secondary look great. A poor and inconsistent pass rush (which we had this year) will make any secondary look terrible.
The hopefully Davis can step in and be the pass rushing OLB that we were missing this season. I also have high hopes for Browner, Guyton, and Owusu taking that “next step” and playing well.
I just really hope Gregory doesn’t juggle his LB’s around next year, like he did this year. He needs to set each of his LB’s at one of the four LB’s position and then teach them up rather than rotating them throughout the season. I strongly believe, had Gregory just settled on one LB position for each of his players during spring ball than we would have seen a greater and faster improvement from this group.
Kendricks really has the most to prove to me next season, in my eyes he was the biggest bust this season.
by SDBear on Dec 7, 2009 7:27 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Pretty much agreed all around – Rec’d
Interesting thought about LBs playing just one position. In my dreams, we’d have some kind of record showing exactly how many plays linebackers lined up at certain LB positions and what they did from there. If only I could get paid for breaking down Cal football videos for hours – I could die a happy man.
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Your points are all well taken, but at this point, I don’t see anyone filling Syd’s shoes the way he did Daymeion/Dante’s. I’m hopeful that the defense will be improved next year, but replacing Syd is definitely priority #1.
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by California Pete on Dec 8, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Yea and that’s why I was so ultra pessimistic about the secondary.
I mean we have Hagan who at his best is not close to Syd but good, Hill who had growing troubles, Marc Anthony who hasn’t played a meaningful Pac-10 snap, Nabuife who was repeatedly abused by UW, and Steve Williams who is redshirting this year.
In other words, Go Bears!
Eh. I’ll think about it when camp starts.
Our preliminary schedule is shocking. 11 straight games then consecutive byes? Really? Really hoping those byes get distributed more evenly when it’s all said and done. Hopefully one of our opponents can accommodate us.
The schedule always starts out fucked up, but then they switch it around. Good thing is it seems like Furd should be our last game of the season, as things should be.
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I am sorry but Riley is not the answer at QB
Look at his completion % on the season, he has shown a slight improvement from last season. Don’t get me wrong he is capable of great games and plays but he has also has had some terrible terrible games. I know it hasn’t always been his fault, some of the blame rest on the OL and dropped balls. The thing that kills me and sticks out in my mind was against Washington when he had Lagemann on the wheel route up the sidelines for a TD and he underthrew what should have been an easy TD pass. Plus, I don;t have the stats but it seemed like Riley benefitted from a lot of throws that should have been picked but the DB simply dropped them. Minnesota he had atleast two, Washington another two, and a few more games where the DB simply dropped an interception.
Really one throw in Washington proved why Riley will
Nearly every point you just made would be true of the vast majority of quarterbacks.
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It was fantastic."
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You can pick and choose throws from every QB like that. I don’t think a lot of people realize how many of the incompletions in the Washington game were throw-aways because the DBs had good coverage on the receivers. You can argue that he’s “not the answer” but the argument does not delve into the Xs and Os in the game. Anyway, he has one year left… So it’s put up or shut up time for him. I think it’ll be fantastic to have 4 QBs on the roster when he leaves, as the chances of getting a polished, complete guy are extremely high. But, really, ask yourself if you were saying these same things when he was on fire versus Stanfurd, Arizona State, UCLA, Maryland, etc… He’ll have one more year under his belt to make those games the norm, and if he doesn’t, he doesn’t. He has the most arm talent of any of the QBs on the roster right now.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 7, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Didnt he got from like 50% completion to about 56 or 57%? I realize its tough to get worse than 50%, but that seems like a solid increase to me. At that rate, next year hed be at like 64%!
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Meh, I like YPA more than completion percentage… You get a 45 yard strike on one pass.. I take it over 4/6 for 29 yards on a single drive.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 7, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Pending the Utah game (which has potential to be one of Riley’s better games) he’s at 2,636 yards passing on 54.6% for 7.6 ypa with 17 touchdowns and 6 interceptions. Tellingly he’s been sacked 26 times; more than Nate Longshore was sacked in his entire career at Cal. (Longshore was sacked 23 times total, 0 against Sac State in 2005, 12 in 2006, 6 in 2007 [because irony is a bitch], and 5 in 2008.)
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It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Dec 7, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wow
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 7, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Caveat:
Going by their respective statlines for 2008, Longshore got the ball out waaaaaaaaay faster than Riley. Longshore and Riley had 164 and 221 passing attempts respectively in 2008, but Riley was sacked 19 times to Nate’s 5. Now that’s a worrisome stat.
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It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
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It might be indicative of situations where Longshore felt pressure and immediately threw the ball away, where Riley tried to make something happen and was unable to do so, ending up with a sack.
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Yeah, I would say that Riley has a bit more Aaron Rodgers in him in that respect, but it’s rather up for debate whether that particular aspect of Rodger’s game is actually a good thing.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
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Riley does take the ball down and run for it, and if he doesn’t make positive yardage it’s recorded as a sack. But I can’t recall TOO many instances of that
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 7, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
For all the crap Longshore got about his lack of mobility, he was nonetheless excellent at avoiding the sack—and not simply by throwing the ball away. One of his biggest assets was how quickly he identified a target and released the ball. It could also be argued, though, that this same quality led to a few of those “back-breaking fourth-quarter interceptions” for which he was infamous.
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by California Pete on Dec 8, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
"back-breaking fourth-quarter interceptions"
All one of them he threw prior to injury. (I did the research! it’s in another thread, though.)
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It was fantastic."
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Every time I remember a post I’ve made in the past my mind always embellishes it to be much more impressive of in depth than it actually was.
Regardless, http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2009/10/13/1083416/golden-nuggets-press-conference#22781862
The gist: prior to injury Longshore only lost three games (Tenn, Zona, USC), and only one of them came down to a 4th quarter interception.
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It was fantastic."
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Last year Riley was at 50.7%
this season he is at 54.6% so he had a 3.9% increase.
And the WHY is the reason he won’t succeed. That incompletion to Lagemann for a potential TD is why I believe Riley is not the answer at QB.
I disagree that we need a change at QB to be a successful football team, and if there was one guy who really stood out above Riley, he would be starting. I feel there’s MUCH more need at other positions for this to be a Rose Bowl team. In short.
But, I don’t mind other people feeling the way you do…it is what it is.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 7, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
True I would put a pass rush and better OL play above better QB play
on my Christmas wish list for next season. Obviously better OL play would make any QB and RB look better next season. A better pass rush would have Cal fans asking “where was that secondary last year?” during games. Both of these would probably add two more wins to our season.
All I am saying is Riley should not just be given the QB position next season. I would hope Tedford opens it up and makes Riley earn the starting spot.
hopes and wishes
Hopefully, whoever is our starting QB next year is doing so for the right reasons – i.e., Riley because of leadership, maturity and has figured out the consistency thing, or Sweeny (or QB TBD) because he’s skills are sooo off the charts that it compensates for Riley’s experience.
I would be shocked if Riley isn’t the starter. That being said, the worst outcome would be that Riley looks mediocre in Spring and Sweeny looks hot. Then, it’s 2008 Ground Hog’s Day all over again.
So, if we’re wishing, wish for Riley to be the next Joe Kapp – good enough to get us to the Rose Bowl!
54.6??
UGH. I thought it was higher.
Canfield is at 70%. SEVENTY FREAKIN PERCENT. That’s why they were 5 pts from the Rose Bowl. Riley throwing 54.6% will get us no where.
by DavidsonBear on Dec 8, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
“No where” seems to be an unduly harsh description of 8 wins pending the bowl game.
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It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
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Poinsetta Bowl is no where.
Sure it’s all relative. Football is an exercise in denial.
I consider this season a letdown.
If you were to tell me in the beginning of the year that we would be happy to go to the worst bowl in the Pac-10 (6th place) and that a Stanford Cardinal would be in NY for the Heisman ceremony…I WOULD BE LIKE “WHAT ARE YOU ON??”
We’ve tumbled…this is almost as bad as 2007 in terms of letdown.
The only saving graces of this season… 1) we beat LA in LA 2) we won the big game. Everything else was a monumental disaster.
pretty much based solely on overhype though, and that’s why it doesn’t come close to 2007 for me.
the talent of this team (in terms of guys who are best of breed at their positions in the Pac-10 and have NFL futures) is an 8 or 9 win team to me. the talent of the 2006 and 2007 was ~10-11 win team.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 8, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I WOULD BE LIKE "WHAT ARE YOU ON??"
See, my personal response would be considerably more credulous based on the fact that football pundits are, to a man jack full of shit.
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It was fantastic."
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Beating Arizona in one of the most exciting home games in years was a monumental disaster???
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The god damn plane has crashed into the mountain!
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It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
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All these people saying Riley is not the answer at QB, where were they when so many were beating their chests loudly for Riley when Longshore was playing poorly in years past?
I feel like we turn on our QBs so quickly these days. Longshores playing poorly, BRING IN RILEY! Rileys playing poorly, BRING IN SWEENEY!
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by TwistNHook on Dec 7, 2009 10:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Something about backup quarterbacks and popularity…
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Meh, it’s a moot point. We fans are just wasting time hooting and hollering about it. The coaches are going to make the decision they feel is right, as people paid to make football decisions based on experience and expertise…
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
^^^^TRUTH^^^^
It matters not what we say but what Tedfords commands.
I honestly don’t see a lot of anti-Rileyness out there. People seem to think he has talent, but is inconsistent. Its rare that people want him replaced, althouhg a few in this thread seem to be saying that.
I guess its just so jarring, because of the 2007 and 2008 seasons when people seemed SO certain that Tedford was just WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG because he wasnt playing Riley. People wanted to cup Rileys balls and now just a year later, the shoe is on the other foot. The fan behavior is just so intriguing to me.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 7, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
You have a great point. The backup QB is often the most popular guy on a struggling team
I truly believe Cal has just had some bad luck with QB’s recently.
If Rodgers doesn’t go pro we might win the Pac10 his senior year. If Longshore doesn’t break his ankle against Sac State perhaps 05 and 06 play out differently.
Truth is perhaps Riley catches fire next year. I cerainly hope so because he most likely is the QB.
I think the problem with Cal fans and their QB’s is the fact that Tedford is a bit too loyal to his QB’s? So much so that it frustrated us? I believe a lot of us Cal fans look back to Rileys two starts in 06 and are expecting that Riley to show up. Perhaps the 06 Riley just benefitted from a great OL and WR?
I am tired and just rambling right now. I hope Riley can elevate his performance and take this team to new heights next season. Only time will tell.
I’m not “anti-Riley”, per se, but one problem I see is that Riley 2006 2007 is exactly who we’ve seen in 2008 and 2009. For the record, he only made one start in 2007—that infamous game vs. OSU—and it was an uneven performance. Forget the “brain fart” at the end, he didn’t look very good most of the evening until desperation set in and he made a few great plays to (almost) pull out a come-from-behind victory. Likewise, in the bowl game, he led a desperate comeback against an Air Force team that had maybe begun to sit on its seemingly comfortable lead.
This, of course, was cause for great excitement because here was a redshirt freshman looking, at times, spectacular. It was easy to forgive the inconsistency, due to his youth. The problem is, he continues to be plagued by inconsistency despite a career’s worth of starts the last two seasons. Maybe next year really is the year it clicks for him? I sure hope so. He’ll probably have the best line and receivers to work with since ‘07. But I can’t say I’m holding my breath for that to happen.
I’ll be very excited if a Mansion or Sweeney wins the job next year, not simply because they are the current “backups” but because I know they would have had to beat out a solid and experienced returning starter to do so. The problem is, I felt the same way in 2008 when Riley beat out Longshore. (“Our backup is pretty good, so the new starter must be great!”)
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by California Pete on Dec 8, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
“Riley’s pass intended for…”
I hope someone figures out how to make one of them complete 65% of their passes.
Said another way, if Sean Cannfield was the QB for this Cal team (and everyone else was constant), what would Cal’s record be?
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I was surprised at OSU’s offense. It was clear they only had 2 players. The rodgers brothers. Just about every play was to James or Jaquizz…and it still worked.
Are we just getting out coached here?
Canfield’s 70% completion rate is off the charts.
And Canfield didn’t put it together until his Senior year. Imagine that. (there were numerous articles in Oregon about this as well)… Bottom line: No one can predict the future with certainty
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I'm saying
that it wasn’t the case of putting it together in his last yr. If he didn’t have surgery, it would have happened in his JR season.
If Riley showed marked improvement early this season and got hurt. Then, yes, I would lean toward him “putting it all together” in his final season as likely.
However, he played most of the last two seasons and we really haven’t seen anything different. His improvement has been incremental. Another inch and we can dream of the sun bowl again. (yay).
I think that’s a leap in logic about Canfield, but I’m not going to argue about it. He benefited from more practice and learning over the 2 years. I don’t feel it’s a replacement like you’ve just made. Anyway, it’ll play out on the field next year. I feel that we’ve seen Kevin’s best games of his career this year in ASU, UCLA, Furd (besides the Air Force game — the worst secondary + 2 NFL WRs), and that’s an improvement in my eyes. I mean, he missed a lot of Pac-10 games in 2008 in favor of Longshore because of his play in the beginning of the season and his concussion later on. The Maryland game in 2008, to me, was stats-driven out of pure necessity really.
It sounds a little whiny to go on and on about the bowls we have to attend… I mean, it would be sort of a moot point if the Pac-10 had put together a good bowl package (and I’ve been watching the Sun Bowl since I was a toddler, so… meh). In any case, the Alamo Bowl is now on the schedule, and I think that’s an upgrade in terms of prestige. I’d consider that a successful season next year, given the strength of the Pac-10 and what not.
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In other words, for a power conference like the Pac-10, it seems rather shitty that only ONE bowl is the end all, be all to a season. Getting 2nd place in the conference is no small feat, considering the depth. There’s a lot of luck that goes on in football, much to no one’s surprise… Arizona could’ve easily been celebrating their first Rose Bowl this year if their wasn’t that janky, end-of-the-game shit versus Oregon.
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Dixon also didnt put it together until his senior year.
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In other words, Go Bears!
The common denominator for QB suckage is Tedford
He recruits and coaches these kids. Beyond Aaron Rodgers and one season of Longshore the position has been completely marginalized by the head coach and his giant needlessly difficult playcard.
Great point, we need to get rid of him immediately or we’ll never win any games, ever!
The Lack of Mack's Imposition Attacks My Disposition.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 8, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
i don't believe this black or white
i am not in the “fire tedford!” or “I completely trust his judgement” camps, probably somewhere in between. the person evaluating qb recruits is tedford and he should be held responsible for their development over their career’s at cal. that doesn’t mean getting rid of him, that means that something is rotten in strawberry canyon with the qbs since 2004 and that falls on tedford. yeah, nate was ok but even in 2006 tanked in our biggest games of the season (@UofA & $C) and riley is total feast or famine thus far in his career. tedford has shown this season not to be as stubborn in years past (flying out to minn. early, being more involved with the individual units and less x’s and o’s, etc) so maybe teddy will have a long stare into the mirror after the bowl game and be honest with himself about how he can improve. also, fire alamar
completely agree with you re: tedford, but it’s not like we’ve had a horrible QB situation since 2004… some Pac-10 teams (UCLA being maybe the prime one, as they are on the same plane of recruiting if not higher) would kill to have the QB play we’ve had since then (Kevin Craft FTW). I can’t pin UofA on Longshore since DeSean’s shoe size, Lavelle’s invisible blades of grass tackle, HORRIBLE PASS INTERFERENCE CALL = janky loss.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 8, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t be silly T-Bred, Tedford clearly can’t do anything with QB’s. That’s why we’ve had 7 straight bowls and a ten win season and two NFL WR’s. He must be fired immediately and without recourse or we will never win a single other game, ever, for as long as we live!
The Lack of Mack's Imposition Attacks My Disposition.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 8, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Two ten win seasons, rather.
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It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
nate threw for about a 47% completion % in that game with 1 TD and 3 picks. all the bad breaks aside, if he turns in a serviceable performance we go to the rose bowl
Football is a team game. Can’t just blame it all on one player. There were lost of mistakes all across the board in that game.
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Let's try to dissect this
2002: Boller. Senior QB with experienced WRs, a solid running game and a coach that actually coaches. What do we get? Insta-QB!
2003: A backup in Robertson and a QB that is just starting to learn the ropes in BCS football in Rodgers. Rodgers talent alone makes the season a-ok.
2004: A very talented QB in his 2nd year in the program, an EXCELLENT running game (Arrington had 2000yds and Marshawn had a crap load too I think), solid WRs albeit injured, excellent defense. Best season under Tedford
2005: The starter misses season with injury. We start a guy that shouldn’t be playing Pac-10 football at least not in the pro-set formation.
2006: First year starter (Longshore played half a game thus far) with excellent WRs, great running game and solid to great defense. Great year.
2007: QB injured. Tedford goes for experience over fan favorite (perhaps for a reason). Injured QB tries to do too much and fails.
2008: Terrible terrible WRs, injury plagued O-line with no protection, running game that was hit or miss, and excellent defense. Biggest problem was the QB rotation with no one gelling.
2009: Decent WRs although still plagued with dropsies, TERRIBLE O-line, mediocre running game, terrible defense, and a QB that is really in his first year as a true starter.
In other words, Go Bears!
honestly I don’t think any of our units over the last 7 years have merited being called “terrible” except maybe ‘08/’09 KR coverage. Just “not good” or “hit and miss.” When I think terrible I think UAB, Idaho, UW ’08 levels of terrible.
The Lack of Mack's Imposition Attacks My Disposition.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 8, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
So…good.
The Lack of Mack's Imposition Attacks My Disposition.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 8, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
nate was ok but even in 2006 tanked in our biggest games of the season (@UofA & $C)
Hmmm….I think more thought needs to be put in before making statements like this. Yeah, he might have played worse against USC. That’s expected, though. Generally when you play one of the best defenses in the country your offense is going to be less successful than all the other weeks against lesser defenses. As for the Arizona game, well yeah, it’s the biggest game of the season, but think about it this way. If we lose a game earlier in the season because Longshore plays poorly, and he plays well against Arizona (but then the game against Arizona is no longer for the Rose Bowl since we previously lost a second game)….he still played poorly in the two biggest games of the season (because the other loss is now thought of as the 2nd biggest game of the season). The Arizona game was only big BECAUSE he played well earlier in the season. It’s more accurate to say Longshore had two games that weren’t good enough to win.
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
way too nuanced, john kerry. this is a very simple argument to make: what were the biggest games we had that season? They were U of A and USC. He played like crap in those when a serviceable performance that limited the INTs would have put us in a position to win. he also played like poop against Stanfurd at home that year.
U of A wasn’t a big game that season…they didn’t even make a bowl and weren’t expected to… Our biggest games that season were Tennesse, USC, Oregon
Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.
Don't forget ASU
They were ranked like #15 when we played them and Hughes stepped on Rudy’s face
In other words, Go Bears!
way too nuanced
Excuse me for putting thought into my comments before making them. Seriously, blanket statements that aren’t thought out or given with any evidence don’t add much to a discussion. Unfortunately, in my opinion, the way ESPN has followed the political tv scene in terms of its takling heads spewing BS seems like it’s popularizing these dumb, judgmental blanket statements rather than trying to get people to actually think critically about stuff….
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
But Colt McCoy lead his team to the NCG! It’s his turn, AND he’s clearly a winner. Heisman!
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Tim Tebow vs. Alabama – 20/35 247 yards 1 Td 1 Int, 10 carries 63 yards
Colt McCoy vs. Nebraska – 20/36 184 yards 0 Td 3 Int 17 carries -20 yards (1 TD)
Florida vs. Alabama – 13-32
Texas vs. Nebraska – 13-12
McCoy = Heisman. It’s a physics. I don’t see how you can look at those numbers and argue any other way!
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Well, let’s see what the Pac10 standings were that year:
Standings Conference Overall
W-L PF PA W-L PF PA STRK
USC 7-2
California 7-2
Oregon State 6-3
UCLA 5-4
Arizona State 5-5
Oregon 5-5
Arizona 4-5
Washington State 4-5 -
Washington 3-6
Stanford 1-8 74 -
Firstly, Stanford 1-8, yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Secondly, I think Tennessee was a much bigger game than Arizona. And Nate did poorly there, but, to be fair, he wasnt alone.
Arizona was a fairly shitty team that year. The only reason it seemed big was because it was late in the year and we lost. Bigger games were Oregon State and………….UCLA?
How did Longshore do in those 2 games?
@OSU:
California Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
Nathan Longshore 22/31 341 11.0 4 1
Team 22/31 341 11.0 — —
Shit thats good!
California Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
Nathan Longshore 20/24 266 11.1 3 0
Team 20/24 266 11.1 — -
Wow, pretty fucking good, too.
So, against the best team in the Pac10 Longshore played not as good as he did against the #3 and #4 teams. Against Tennessee he played poorly and against the #7 Pac10 team he had an uncharacteristicaly bad day.
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Nice analysis
I’m thinking we have a decent shot at a 10-win season and a trip to the Alamo Bowl (with losses @USC and @OSU). This would require some luck and more skill from QB, O-line and our D.
As politicians are fond of saying, all options are on the table.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
I love how
we think half our units are going to improve simply because “Can they really be worse than this year?”
In terms of improvement: I really think this year to next year is a big crapshoot. I expect at least one true frosh LB/DE to be our primary pass rusher next year (unless Ryan Davis redshirted solely to learn about dropping back into coverage and is actually a good option with his hand in the dirt, but that seems to be stretching it). Whereas from 2007-2008, I felt really good about a big defensive improvement because 1) scheme change unfamiliar to Pac-10 2) Not too many scary offenses on schedule 3) Lots of talented LBs on the field, including a gifted pass rusher at the college level
Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.
Riley and NFL
should not be mentioned in same sentence. Not even “fringe”.
Doesn’t mean he can’t have a really good senior year, however!

























