Cal-Iowa State Men's Basketball Open Thread + Interview With Clone Chronicles
(To discuss the remaining college football games or the Cal-Washington game, scroll down to the postgame thread. This thread is for the basketball game only!)
Line: Cal by 8
Injuries: Robertson (questionable, gametime decision), MSF, Gutierrez, Amoke (probable, all with flu/cold)
After a tough loss to New Mexico, Cal is fast approaching must-win mode to avoid being in come-from-behind mode for the Pac-10 season. That bid kicks off with a home matchup against Iowa State in the continuing Big 12/Pac-10 Hardwood series. Other than an Oregon State win yesterday, the Pac has been shut out, making it very imperative Cal wins tonight to boost the conference's image and their team's ability to beat quality big conference opponents.
This game is on ESPNU, tips off at Haas at 8 PM PST/11 PM EST. After the jump, we interview the Iowa State SBN blog, Clone Chronicles, to discuss tonight's matchup and learn more about Iowa St. basketball.
1) Tell us about your top players. Who are the Cyclones Cal fans should be worried about?
Our top players are Craig Brackins, Marquis Gilstrap, and Diante Garrett. Brackins is a 2009 Preseaon All-American who was a projected Lottery Pick in 2009, decided to come back to try to get this team to the NCAA Tournament. He's a natural 3, that has to play the 4 and 5 due to a lack of post presence. He has issues against physical players, but has a nice mid-range jumper and fade-away spin move in the post. Gilstrap is a JUCO Transfer who is true wing player in that he is a good rebounder, can score from anywhere, and attacks the hoop. Garrett is the point guard. He isn't a scorer, but great at distributing the ball, and not giving up turnovers. His A/T is 3.31 on the year.... Lucca Staiger played on the German National Team this past summer. He's a 3 point specialist, so he can't be left open.
2) How well is the offense running now? Defense?
Offense is not running well at all. This team plays much better in transition than in half court sets. They are having a tough time against physical defenses, man-to-man defenses. They play much better against the zone. Defensively, they are alright. The post defense isn't great as they've allowed a handful of easy layins, but the perimeter defense is pretty good. They do not pressure too much, so they do not pick up many steals.
3) What are the expectations going into this season for the Cyclones?
The expectations were to get to the NCAA Tournament. With 2 professional prospects in Brackins and Gilstrap, along with some starters becoming upperclassmen, along with being able to go 9-10 deep, anything short of that is a disappointment...So far this season has been disappointing, but the potential is there. This game against Cal is a must-win for the Cyclones... I think some would be ok with a NIT, but most of the top players will likely leave ISU after this year, so 2010-2011 looks to be a rebuilding year. If they do not make the dance, this would be the longest NCAA Tournament drought for ISU since the early 1980s.
4) Tell us something about Iowa State that granola-munching, tree-hugging, flag-burning heathens on the West Coast would probably not know.
Over the past 24 years, they've made the NCAA Tournament 12 times. Jeff Hornacek, Marcus Fizer, Kelvin Cato, and Jamal Tinsley played at Iowa State. Tim Floyd coached here in the mid-1990s prior to coaching the Chicago Bulls. Hilton Coliseum used to be considered one of the toughest places to play in all of College Basketball. The last time it's been truley, floor shaking hostile, was in 2004 or 2005. Winning more will cure that I think.... ISU is mostly an AG school, so of course most students hate everything that Berkeley stands for.
5) As an Iowa State fan, who do you want to punch in the face the most and why?
Not really anyone, but the closest is Roy Williams probably. Every single top recruit from the state of Iowa he has plucked for himself. The latest was #1 Recruit Harrison Barnes who is an Ames, IA native. In the later 1990s into the early 2000s, ISU had a good rivalry going with Kansas with some pretty competitive games, so some of it stems from there.
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Craig Brackins
He is a beast.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 5, 2009 7:24 PM PST reply actions
Just a reminder: Discuss the football game in the postgame thread
GO HERE. This is for hoops only.
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Hey guys, login to Justin and encourage this guy to stream the Cal game. He’s already streaming ESPNU.
Yeah. I been saying that we only could send six teams. The committee allowed in 8 Pac10 teams and we screwed it up. USD should’ve gotten a bid and there were other teams that deserved it, but the Pac10 is like the SEC of volleyball.
BTW: Baylor won the first two sets. (crossing fingers).
Baylor up 2-0! (maybe this team is not the one we want to face?)
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Trust me. We want Baylor. We do well with fast, yet small teams (eg Hawaii, St Marys, Oregon etc…). We always have trouble with the taller teams (eg Zona, Stanford, UCLA, Texas).
Oh, I see. Actually, we’re big. Our front row is 6’5, 6’4, 6’3 and 6’3. We’re a slow team but we got crazy power. We were dropping bombs on teh Buckeyes tonight. Huge kills.
Of UCLA? No. I"m a paid sub, but they don’t have video in their arena, period.
The St. Mary’s match is here:
http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=ncaa&media=157494
It'll be fun to see the Pac-10 be hounded all year
then, when the tournament comes around, our 3/4 teams that exceed expectations… back to the old Pac-10
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Wait a sec...
There are seven minutes remaining in this one? WHAT???
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Greetings from Haas Pavilion. We’re about 30 minutes away from the start of Cal’s game with Iowa State in the Big 12/Pac-10 Hardwood Series. First thing you need to know — senior Theo Robertson is in street clothes and not playing. This will be the sixth consecutive game the Bears’ starting small forward has missed with a right foot injury.
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I know this is a basketball only thread, but I thought you all would be delighted to know that Nebraska has taken a 12-10 lead over Texas with 1:45 left.
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
What on Earth was Texas doing?
McCoy may have run out the clock inadvertently. Clock shows zero after a throw away pass.
Refs put one second on clock. Texas will try 47 yard FG ftw.
Praise be to Tedford!
Is it just me or has all the Pac-10 suckage given you hope that, when we get healthy, this team can be very good in the Pac-10
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as in, from what i’ve seen from all the teams, i feel we’re still #1 or #2… and now our bench is getting tons of time
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I figured it would be us and Washington and maybe UCLA before the year began. Now I would say that WSU has replaced UCLA as the team I’m afraid of
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Holy shit did you see Max deny the entrance OVER THE DUDE’S HEAD
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Gutierrez
Get on up, son.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 5, 2009 8:55 PM PST reply actions
I am blown away with Max’s defense to end the half. Now if the 3’s start falling a little we’ll be in real business!
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If Max can do that shit against Pac-10 Centers (lolwut, they actually exist), this year will be tremendous!
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Wow. I’m surprised. I hope they can pull it off, but I think Hawaii is too good. You’re right though, we need this one for Pac10 pride.
We just gun have to take out Penn State like the muh fuckaz we iz. HOOD style.
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(and get past Baylor first)
PS why is the entire Big 12 in the Sweet 16… and how come they all have such good records?!??! do they not play each other?!?!
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Good question. I don’t know. It happens each year though. Pac10 beats up on each other while the Big10 and Big12 rack up insane records.
St. Marys and Stanford going into a 5th set tie breaker. Crazy. I want Stanford to win for Pac10 pride, but I can’t help myself from getting excited when St. Marys scores a point. Plus St. Marys is kind of our sister school. Their campus is a 10min drive from ours.
Baylor beats UCLA 3-1
Wow, what an upset! This sets up perfectly for us. It’s been a good night for Cal Volleyball.
Aww, why’d you take Max out Monty?
(I can’t believe I’m saying that! Woo!)
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One thing I'm not enjoying about this game
Seeing the football score come across the ticker on a regular basis.
Praise be to Tedford!
These are the Bears I've wanted to see from the beginning
Attacking the rim, attacking the glass, getting the 3s off of crisp ball movement.
MSF with one sick pass.
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I just turned the game on and I see a 3 pointer, a steal and a great pass from MSF!
In other words, Go Bears!
I would seriously considered Max as MVP of the game so far. Also Amoke. Also Jerome is his usual self
I guess what I’m saying is great team effort so far
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no, but they’re playing like fucking maniacs. especially max, goot, msf, amoke.. THE ENTIRE TEAM
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hey, we started stinkin after you showed up.
you’re on my watchlist
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Last year as soon as I left to class we started effing up vs. Maryland (in the tourney)
In other words, Go Bears!
You’re not allowed to attend Cal away games anymore. Oregon, Washington, then not showing up for the Stanford game…
I guess you were at the Emerald Bowl. I’ll give you a Bowl game exemption
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Ryan Anderson
He isn’t playing for the Magic tonight. The Warriors have a 100-97 lead after three quarters.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 5, 2009 9:37 PM PST reply actions
royrules, you started watching the game and the Bears are starting to lose some of their ground
You were also at the UDub game. Turn your TV off.
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“Guys, where can I buy tickets for Pasadena on New Year’s Eve?”
NEVER FORGET.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Hey all of you fuckers who bought tickets to El Paso and then complained should STFU!
In other words, Go Bears!
By “all of you”, you mean “no one”?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Your logic confuses me.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Give the guy a break. His logic was probably shocked out of him, or possibly frozen out of him, by attending the game today.
November 20, 1982 - a date that will live in famy.
True.
royrules22… NEVER AGAIN
stay far away from that fucking place. stay warm and cozy watching on TV
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For you Gonzaga haters
(of which I’m not one, BTW)
Just noticed Wake Forest beat them 77-75.
Praise be to Tedford!
Its the same reason I hate Boise State – there is no doubt they are decent each and every year – but it is a huge advantage to be in a conference you can easily win every season.
I’ll confess I hate Boise State. For the reason you state, as well as my belief that the place is barely a college.
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There’s also that. And as I said on the postgame thread, I’ve been there and it looks even more stupid in person.
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they get a lot of talent that wouldn’t qualify for some Pac-10s… i remember two kids from the same high school who were both going to UCLA. one couldn’t qualify for UCLA but was cleared with NCAA, so they both went to Boise instead. Now, one of the guys is in the NFL (and a huge part of their win against OK), and the other was their leading receiver last year
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That’s not reflected in the recruiting standings. Their classes have been rated (in reverse order from 2009 to 2002) 72, 89, 68, 70, 64, 85, 101, and 74 by Rivals. Doesn’t really scream “safe haven for highly rated but academically challenged athletes.”
As for the receiver you referred to, Jeremy Childs, he was at least offered by UCLA (and briefly committed to their 2005 class), for what that’s worth.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Jeremy Childs and Orlando Scandrick (CB on the Cowboys) were both offered by UCLA in a package deal.
I guess “a lot” is over-exaggerating, but they’ve done a tremendous job cleaning up the scraps and stories all along the West Coast.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
When Oregon State does it, it’s called “finding diamonds in the rough” or some other such nonsense.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
I think we can agree that almost all media-driven things with college football are completely bullshit and fluff. Fair?
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Will there be a Cal FB game that does not discuss Riley's run against OSU?
In other words, Go Bears!
Yes, that is even worse. Plus, they never mention the fact that he is the only reason we had any chance at all to win that game.
Agreed. The Hawk just had a certain flair that I loved having around. Plus he was a beast over the middle
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You stole my reply
Man that drop happened literally in front of me. I cried.
In other words, Go Bears!
I’d prefer he lower his head and drive.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
After the football game, I actually meant to get some work done
But all I’ve done is drink wine and watch this basketball game. Yay me.
Go Bears!
Praise be to Tedford!
By hurt, you mean his feelings?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Braun had an eye for obscure foreign talent. Amit, Midgley, Sean Marks (right?), and had Dirk all but signed.
by Tedfordisgod on Dec 5, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Braun’s a zany little one. I gotta say I miss him (but not the his Xs and Os, for sure)
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKOLA!!!!!!
Hey, he’s good for some random threes from time to time.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
NIKOLA CUT HIS HAIR!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions
Had it done before New Mexico
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Must’ve not paid attention…lousy stream.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
you ain’t ballin’ like me. i get that channel like FUCK
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
And got blocked. And MSF threw a sweet outlet. He needs to start doing that before time expires.
by Tedfordisgod on Dec 5, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
WE HELD UP OUR END, PAC-10
LEARN HOW TO FUCKING CLOSE, REST OF THE PAC-10
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Is the Kansas game also part of this? Or am I crazy?
by Tedfordisgod on Dec 5, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Nah… UCLA gets Kansas
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Actually no.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well then I stand corrected. For some reason I thought we played two games per year in whatever this is called.
by Tedfordisgod on Dec 5, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
our top two teams from the prev season, i believe (washington and UCLA have two this year)
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’m actually going to root for UCLA basketball for once. It will be the lulz if they manage to beat Kansas. It will just kick off the crazy season.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, plus we need them to get some wins before the conference season. My guess is that they eventually will put it together and play pretty well in the pac-10
by Tedfordisgod on Dec 5, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Kansas is 11 to 14 point favorites, depending on what sportsbook you look at.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
over UCLA or Cal?
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
i guess Cal wouldn’t be up yet
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Versus Cal
That line would probably be Kansas -8
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
GIVE ME THE POINTS BABY
AMOKE >>> ALDRICH
THERE, I SAID IT.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
We can’t talk. Remember our face plant in MSG?
Actually you see how the letters MSG screws us up? First it’s Matt-Summers Gavin and then it’s Madison Square Garden.
In other words, Go Bears!
We can talk. Theo was a huge part of our game. Our bench is getting crazy minutes now. It will be great for this team during Pac-10 play. (Iowa State wasn’t much less talented than a lot of P10 teams)
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
This didn't make me less angry about the day's events
But this basketball game was fun. Go Bears!
Praise be to Tedford!
Cheer up.
Like I said:
When you’re an angry team, TAKE IT OUT ON UTAH!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
(that is, the STATE of UTAH)
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno, those Mormons are pretty militant.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 5, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
We can boggle their minds with SCIENCE
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 5, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone hear of the movie "Jekyll & Hyde Together Again"?
Just got it on Netlfix. Don’t remember putting it on my list
In other words, Go Bears!
Is it the story of the 2009 Cal football team?
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by CalBear81 on Dec 5, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
nice win by cal
makes up for our football team sleepwalking today
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
Went to my first Cal game ever tonight
Thoughts on Haas:
I need to bring hiking boots next time. Dear lord it is steep.
The atmosphere was very disappointing. The stadium was probably less than half full. Cal fans can show up and be loud (like at football games), so why not do it for basketball? In my opinion a good basketball crowd is more important than a good football crowd. Frustrating.
Thoughts on the game:
- PChris sighting! PChris sighting! After being on the lam from playing well for months, good old PChris is back.
- Jerome Randle is really, really good at basketball.
- I can’t remember Jorge having a better offensive game. He was confident with the ball, made some 3s, used headfakes effectively, and had only 1 turnover. Hopefully he keeps that up.
- Dear Max, You are 7 fucking 3. 3 rebounds is unacceptable in 20+ minutes. A guy 9 inches shorter than you grabbed 8 more rebounds. And it isn’t that he isn’t getting bounces. Its that he isn’t trying for the ball. Max frequently just watches the play and doesn’t move to the ball. Quit being so cumbersome and do something! He needs to go to the Omondi Amoke school of sticking your nose in everything. Speaking of him…
- I am officially in love with Amoke. He really is Mr. Everything. He is a great natural rebounder (if he was a few inches taller he would be unstoppable), very athletic, a heady player, and always seems to be in the right place at the right time. Amoke’s play thus far has been by far the most positive development of the year.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
It should be noted that Max was fantastic defensively tonight, and didn’t seem too bad on offense. I don’t want to come off overly critical but I was very annoyed.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
by rollonubears on Dec 6, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Rebounding is one of the more intellectual parts of the on-court game
Sounds odd, but it’s true. There’s a reason that Jon Brockman, a 6-7 schlub with barely enough hops to dunk, was able to consistently beat the pants off of every single opposing player in the Pac-10 for rebounds for four years straight. Most of it is about playing the angles and probabilities and thus being in the right place to get the ball. Athleticism and height helps (obviously; see Amoke) but it’s much less important than it seems.
I suspect Zhang just doesn’t have the reps to rebound well yet. He just hasn’t played enough basketball. That’s something that can potentially be taught, I think, but it’s obviously a work in progress.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I agree, but the main thing I request is that he at least tries to put his giant body in position to make a play (thus making it harder for an opposing player to make a play) instead of just watching.
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To be sure about the idea, I’d have to watch the game, but I felt like on a number of plays Max did a really great job of totally blocking out his man (presumably Brakins) and freeing up space on the boards for the rest of the Bears. Like Paul said, he may not have that instinct/ability, but he’s capable of using his size to take is man out of the play, so that’s something.
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Crowd doesn’t show up until football season is completely over and Pac-10 starts… usually after winter break
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 6, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
I need to bring hiking boots next time. Dear lord it is steep.
Wat?
You sure you didn’t end up in Memorial? Haas is on the flatest part of the campus.
In other words, Go Bears!
Inside the stadium, it is very elevated.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
by rollonubears on Dec 6, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
call it ‘Haas’ young one. we are glad you were there to support our bears. they played like maniacs, and i think we’ll see this all season.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 6, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, they played pretty awesome out there tonight. It was a trip on the Jorge and Omondi Love Boat.
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by rollonubears on Dec 6, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
I was disappointed in last night’s crowd, too. I suspect there was a decent football hangover (I know at least one of my friends declined to go because she was too in need of getting really, really drunk), but still, this basketball team deserves bigger crowds (the women’s team does too, but that’s a different story).
Crowds should get bigger with Pac-10 play, especially with Stanfurd on January 2nd.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

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