Utah 37, California 27: Is Jeff Tedford Still A Good Coach?
I'm not going to bother rehashing this game too much--as Red from Shawshank said, "Same shit, different day." Let's talk about Jeff Tedford instead. Because to be frank, I haven't been really impressed with our coaching the past few seasons.
You can see all the symptoms in our losses of bad coaching. Players getting faked out, playing awfully weak on coverage (rushing 3 and still ending up with a wide open post route for a touchdown), head-scratching playcalling (running into an 8-9 man box until the last drive of the first half, when Utah knows the pass is coming), the abysmal special teams (if Pete Alamar is still special teams coach next year, I'm going to investigate him personally for extortion), bad blocking, poor quarterback play, receivers failing to make catches, and playing not to lose football (the USC field goal, the centering the ball in the Big Game, the punt on 4th and short in Utah territory in the 4th quarter down 9 which netted a grand 15 yards). These symptoms have been around every season since 2004, but only this year did they become raging cancers.
Emblematic of this was the final possession, where the Bears scored their final touchdown, needed to go for two down ten, Riley tried to get the two point conversion ready, Tedford didn't recognize that they needed to go for two and sent the kicking team out there, and Cal burned their final timeout. Pretty horrific to watch.
But big-picture wise, when I hear postgame quotes from Tepper and Holley that this team demands perfection and that they can go toe-to-toe with Florida and Alabama...I mean, what do I say to that? I'm sorry, but has team ever played like they had the ability to go undefeated? That the guys are talking like this when the playing makes me feel Tedford projected delusions of grandeur on a group that wasn't ready for it. Totally unacceptable.
What are your thoughts on Jeff Tedford? Leave your thoughts and/or vote in the poll.
It feels like Tedford is still figuring out how to deal with his team outside Xs and Os (he is still only two seasons removed from the epic Cal-lapse). Right now he's at a crossroads: He did well getting these guys out of the ruts in UCLA and the Big Game, but submitted some pretty epic fails the other way. So I guess the grade for this season is a D+, maybe a C- if you're generous.
Let's be frank: This is Tedford's EIGHTH season. It's hard to imagine him changing his style that much from the person he was years ago. So like guys who've lasted this long in the college football ranks, it'll come down to how well he recruits. Until he finds that right balance between strategist and Jedi Master, Cal is always going to struggle with weaker recruiting classes, especially with the Pac-10 getting better year-by-year and fresh coaches coming in with a history to work with against the Golden Bears. The talent level for this team has to get better, because without that talent, the flaws of coaching can be and have been exposed.
For the past three seasons and four of the last five, Cal fans have ended their season in some form of disappointment, expectations or no expectations. While we're far away from drastic measures, SOMETHING has to change to really make Tedford's Bears roar once again. Right now, they're lost in the forest.
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Sorry Avi, but asking whether JT is still a good coach is a ridiculous question. The man is Cal’s second winningest coach in the modern era. I know people are pissed about this loss and the season, and they have some right to be upset. But after seeing him at work for almost a year now, I can really not think of a person I’d rather have as the head coach of the Golden Bears. I’m really sick of people calling for the head of a coach every time a team disappoints in college or the pros. I know it feels good to place the blame on one person, but there is usually plenty to go around.
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by giantfan5 on Dec 23, 2009 11:44 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
this.
I’m too tired to post a full reply, so i’ll just agree with this, ‘cause it ways most of what i wanted to. Plus, giantfan5 has access that none of us do, so I’m gonna trust his evaluation on this topic.
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I feel it's fair to propose the question
For two out of the last three years, Cal has had a decent (not a great, but a decent) shot at winning the Pac-10 and has come up woefully short of expectations. The fact that most people wouldn’t rank him in the top FIVE of Pac-10 coaches right now says a lot.
And this is not a call to fire anyone. It’s just to point out that he’s hit a rut right now and I worry that if he doesn’t change the way he keeps shop, our program is trending downward and not upward.
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For two out of the last three years, Cal has had a decent (not a great, but a decent) shot at winning the Pac-10
Based on what?
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It was fantastic."
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You’re saying they had NO chance to win the Pac-10 the last three years?
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I was asking you a question. Hence the bit of punctuation at the end.
For the record, I think we had, as you said, a decent (or better than decent) shot at winning the Pac-10 in 2007, but Longshore’s injury was a game changer. 2008-9, on the other hand? No, I don’t think we really had a shot.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
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by 33SwisherSweet on Dec 24, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
For once I agree with you.
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 24, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Guess I’ll just have to kill myself, then.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
by AERose on Dec 24, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t really feel like coming up with anything especially clever. I mean, I’m disliked by a troll and a dude who can’t let go of a grudge, it doesn’t seem worth a lot of effort.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
guess I’ll just have to kill myself, then.
Nothing like Christmas Eve for a little suicide humor!
I doubt the two you mentioned dislike you since they don’t know you insert if they only knew you humor here but count me in on disliking the attitude of your posts.
Expectantly awaiting my I’ve-got-no-response-so-I’ll-call-you-names label
by YleeXOtee on Dec 25, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Nothing like Christmas Eve for a little suicide humor!
I laughed out loud. Rec’d
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by rollonubears on Dec 25, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
I say we had no chance to win the Pac-10 because we didn’t. Media hype means nothing. No-thing. It’s unfortunate that some people buy into it, but it’s only the W’s that count. And probably one of the main reasons we have so much hype is that Tedford is awesome.
I have a question about the Media-hype-doesn’t-matter crowd. What does mean something?
So do no assessments of teams in the pre-season matter? Is the only way to judge if your team had a chance to win the pac-10 is if we actually win the Pac-10.
By that reasoning, Oregon was the only team that had a chance to win the Pac-10. Surely you can see how ridiculous a stance that is. USC and Oregon St never had a chance??
Yeah, my comment was an exaggeration, but I think there is some truth to it. A lot of discussion about college football is about hypotheticals: who would beat who if they were somehow to meet. We don’t need to theorize and go through the hypothetical match ups of who in the Pac-10 would win each game. We know who would win—the team that won! Now you might say, “Well USC at the beginning of the season was better than USC at the end” and you would be right, talent wise. But I think it is a waste of time to game theory any games that actually already happened.
Assessments of teams in the pre-season do matter to a certain extent – if they are relatively honest and don’t extend to hyperbole. Unfortunately, much of major media preseason coverage is mostly hyperbole. This is why preseason rankings are often ridiculously out-of-whack.
Sensible week-by-week assessments, followed by rankings that didn’t come out until, say Week 5, would be much more useful.
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I really agree with you on this Avinash
I would like to be clear as well, I am not demanding he be fired. I believe he has hit a rut and he probably needs to brring in some new young blood in his coordinator positions such as Justin Wilcox at Boise State, who has also coached LB’s at Cal in the past as a possible replacement for Gregory. Or a new young OC.
I guess
I just don’t agree with the notion of our program trending downward. We’ve been getting solid recruiting classes, we’re finally getting really good facilities built… I just don’t see the situation as so dire. And SDBear, a new OC is NOT what we need, by any means. If anything, we need more stability at that position.
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I am sorry I didn't mean a new OC next year I know that is the last thing we need
I believe our instability and constant turn over at OC has hurt us.
I’m saying the program trending downward isn’t that far a possibility. Take a look around the Pac-10
*USC, the perennial powerhouse
*Oregon State will be strong as long as Riley and his crack staff are there
*Oregon with their killer facilities and the most dynamic, destructive offenses in the Pac-10
*Washington with Sarkisian are quietly building a very good team (he reminds me a little of Tedford actually)
*UCLA is always a danger
*Arizona seems to be on the rise, although they’ll take a step back
*Furd until Hairball walks off
Cal is going to be in a dogfight every year, and I’m not sure how our coaches will handle things.
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Other teams improving =/= Cal is declining.
Just because the conference is getting better doesn’t mean we’re getting worse. All it means it that plebs are finally creeping up to our level – we’ve just got to keep doing our thing, keep improving, and we’ll be fine.
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Actually, if Cal is at a standstill while the rest of the PAC is passing them by, it`s still a downward trend.
And seeing as how conference play affects 75% of our overall schedule, THAT`S A BIG FUCKING DEAL.
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Who exactly is passing us by?
USC – down year, but still above us.
Oregon – slightly above us, but we can still beat them any given week.
OSU – on our level, no higher.
Arizona – on our level at best.
ASU – ummm no.
UCLA – definitely on the downslope.
Furd – they finally had A good year. Big Whoop. They threw Toby Gethart and his 4 TDs at us and WE. STILL. GOT. THE. AXE.
Washington – still not bowl eligible. Upswing from crap is still not our level.
WSU – hahahahahaha.
Looks like everything is comparable to how it’s been the last few years. No one’s passing us by yet.
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I am sorry but you are wrong with atleast two of these schools
Oregon winning 42-3 would put them more than just “slightly above us” in my book.
OSU has now won three in a row against Cal and Tedford has never beat OSU at Memorial!!! That would grade them above “our level” on my grading scale.
Despite the Big Game win I would probably put the furd on our level right now, with a chance to pass us next year. Hell the furd could still end up with a better overall record than us and appear to be more set at QB than we are.
One game is not statistically significant.
Cal’s record over the last 7 years is almost identical to Oregon and OSU’s.
by HolmoePhobe on Dec 24, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, because one 8 win season is the same as averaging more than 8 over 8 years.
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by rollonubears on Dec 24, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
OSU has beaten us the last three years and has had a better record than us the past three years. They are definitely ahead of us.
We might have owned Oregon historically, but they own the rest of the conference better than we do.
For once I’ll talk rationally about the Cardinal—they are a dangerous team as long as Hairball is there.
The Huskies are going bowling next year barring injury to Locker.
UCLA won more games this year than they did last year; how exactly is that the downslope?
Six to seven Pac-10 teams being competitive with us is going to be tough.
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by definition, if the team was bad this year, a lot of programs were more successful than us this year. That doesn’t necessarily mean they are passing us by.
by HolmoePhobe on Dec 24, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
meh, I’ll concede the OSU point – maybe they’re above us, but not by much – I’m not gonna quake in my boots like I would against USC..
I already said that Oregon’s above us. I can’t concede that they’re miles ahead of us – I can’t look at this year’s game as telling because we simply didn’t show up. If they whomp while we’re coming to play, then fine.
Furd is ‘dangerous’ – until they win more than 6 games, all that means is they’re less shitty.
‘Huskies going bowling’ means they win 6 games. Again, that just means ‘less shitty’.
UCLA barely got to 6 wins. For UCLA, that’s a downslope.
Yes, the Pac-10 having more competitive teams is gonna be tough. That just makes it more interesting, it doesn’t necessarily spell doom and gloom for the Bears.
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This
One of the biggest myths of the 2009 college football season was that it was an “up” year for the Pac-10. Well, that wasn’t really the case in the September OOC games, and I’m afraid it’s going to continue to not be the case in the bowl season.
The only difference this year was that USC stopped being dominant and Washington stopped sucking. Maybe Arizona and Stanford were somewhat improved, too, but ASU and UCLA were likewise worse. Oregon was up a bit; Cal was down a bit.
The possible resurgence of Washington is perhaps Cal’s biggest competitive concern moving forward. But this is balanced by USC’s possible regression.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Dec 24, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
No, it doesn’t. But if the other teams are improving, doesn’t that mean they have a better shot at beating Cal?
Remember Tedford came into favorable circumstances—the Pac-10 was VERY weak in 2002-2004, and USC and Cal benefitted from that. Now that the entire conference is competitive (as it was in 2007 and 2009), any given team can come up and beat up the Bears. And I’ve been very dismayed at how we took it this year.
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Exactly, if people want to say the Pac10 is finally catching up to SC
wouldn’t that mean they are also catching up to Cal and even passing us by?
Our argument for PAC-10 relevence is looking shaky at best right now though...
0-2 to start off Bowl Week isn`t going to impress anyone.
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"DADGUM!"
-Robert Cleckler "Bobby" Bowden.
The only thing that’s changed in the Pac-10 is that USC is no longer dominant and Washington and Stanford are no longer doormats. Given the former, I actually am more optimistic about the Bears’ championship chances in the next few years, vis a vis the opposition, than I’ve been in years past.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Dec 24, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
Forest Trees Myopia
I just don’t agree with the notion of our program trending downward.
Ok, how about running place with no indication they have any cognitive ability to move forward and achieve at a higher level. Recruiting only matters if the right coaches are in place to recruit players that fit a system, and then coach those players to achieve in said system.
All BS aside, the reason this program implodes is because far too often the team before self mantra doesn’t apply to Tedford; meaning he asks for sacrifices from others he doesn’t require of himself like keeping his pals employed at key staff positions.
When JT decides to hire coaches that will challenge him as a coach, challenge the status quo, as opposed to disappear when the chips are down, this program will get better. JT needs to hire a staff that augments his strengths and masks his weaknesses, and that means four coaches need to go away: Alamar, Gregory, Daft and Marshall.
Also, the notion that facilities will solve some of the existing inherent problems of this program is pure folly. Coaching will always matter first and foremost. If you don’t get that as a fan or alum then you are wasting everyone’s time, including yours.
Coaches: I’ll concede Alamar. Gregory and Daft I wouldn’t really agree with; I think Gregory did a decent job, and Daft can’t magically make his receivers catch the ball. Marshall has only been here one season, and I think he should get more time at that O-Line after he replaced Coach M. Working with O-Line I’ve realized it’s a VERY complex position in many ways, and I’d like to see how our squad does next year given 1 full year of Marshall’s system under their belts.
“Team before self mantra doesn’t apply to Tedford:” Have you got any evidence to back that up? Because I haven’t seen that sort of thing at all.
Facilities: Have you SEEN our facilities? They definitely are a factor for some players (and coaches, I’d imagine) in choosing whether they want to come to Cal. Places like Oregon and Texas wow recruits with a spectacular environment that we just can’t come close to matching at this point.
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"Team before self mantra doesn’t apply to Tedford:" Have you got any evidence to back that up? Because I haven’t seen that sort of thing at all.
As I mentioned in my comments above, JT has kept certain coaches employed despite their performance – that’s a personal decision, not a professional one. Alamar alone exposes his approach, if not blind loyalty to an injured Longshore when the team was imploding around him in 2007. Gregory marginalizes good athletes, and his good defensive years are the exception not the rule as DC – not good enough.
Facilities: Have you SEEN our facilities?
Yeah, I’ve been around Cal since 1975. I know what the facilities are like inside and out. Again, recruits only matter if the coaches are in place to use the talent correctly. Facilities are important but not the reason Cal fails in games when the stakes are highest.
Again, recruits only matter if the coaches are in place to use the talent correctly.
How do you explain our ten win seasons in 2004 and 2006?
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 24, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
As I have noted, it seems like people forget we won 10 games in 2006.
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by rollonubears on Dec 24, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
This is how.....
“Gregory marginalizes good athletes, and his good defensive years are the exception not the rule as DC – not good enough.” Preach on Jiggets
by 33SwisherSweet on Dec 24, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sorry, but there is no downward trend. There just isn’t. Look at our records over time.
What has happened is an upward trend in Cal fans’ expectations.
by paleodan on Dec 24, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Agreed. Older Blues mobilize and preach!
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by CALumbus Bear on Dec 24, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Our shitty football history should lower the bar to such levels that we do not expect/demand
excellence – especially in light of Tedford’s ridiculous salary. If you are going to get paid like the big boys you need to coach like the big boys. The status quo 8 win should not be enough anymore.
by 33SwisherSweet on Dec 24, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Define “trending downward”. Yes, we can cherry-pick the 10-win seasons of 2004 and 2006 and contrast the last three years’ average of 8 wins apiece. But is that gap, which ignores 2005, really all that dramatic?
In simple win-loss terms, Cal under Tedford dramatically shot up from the bottom of the Pac to competing near the top. While we’re now three years removed from even a conference co-championship, this is still a program that every year wins more games than it loses, goes to a bowl game, and usually wins both that bowl game and the Big Game.
So Tedford’s Bears have plateaued in terms of on-the-field results and have yet to win that coveted trip to the Rose Bowl. That’s frustrating for all of us. But given that this program still garners national attention from fans, the media, and potential recruits, and given than everything off the field (facilities, academics) appears to be going great, I have little tolerance for Tedford bashing right about now. If nothing else, I think he’s earned at least another five years of our patience.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Dec 24, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
*The rest of the Pac-10 is getting stronger.
*Cal has finished in 2nd place once in the last four years, no higher than fourth in the other four.
*Cal is 14-13 in the last 3 seasons in-conference, 26-19 in the last 5.
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How is the rest of the Pac-10 getting stronger? By definition, the overall in-conference record of the 10 teams will always be a perfect .500. Maybe the balance between top and bottom has closed this year, but that’s due to the decline of USC, which actually helps the Bears’ future chances.
Again, to see a downward trend requires statistically cherry picking two outstanding seasons which weren’t even consecutive (2004 and 2006). Cal football is obviously no longer “on the rise”, but I don’t think we honestly can say it’s on the decline. Whether we like it or not, the average Tedford team is an 8-win outfit, just like this year.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Dec 24, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Three programs on the upswing (Furd, UDub, UCLA)
Three programs staying about the same (Oregon, OSU, USC)
Two programs taking a step back (Zona, Cal)
One program in no man’s land (ASU)
One program in hell (Wazzu)
Adding those three programs into the mix spells danger for the Bears; they’d have to really handle them.
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UCLA’s one year of improvement is not an upswing by any measure.
And I really, really, don’t think Cal took a huge step back this year.
Arizona is taking a step back???
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by rollonubears on Dec 24, 2009 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, Avi, but I just don’t see things this way. Looking back about five years and looking ahead about one, the only teams I truly see on the upswing are Washington and Stanford, both because they were so bad before. Likewise, USC is not “staying the same” but is instead in retreat simply because they’ve been so good in recent years.
Consequently, I see the Pac-10 as neither more or less competitive for the Bears moving forward. Maybe there are fewer gimme wins on the schedule than before, but there is also one less gimme loss.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Dec 24, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
understood giantfan5
He is the second winningest and we’re thankful. Also, you’re a good dude for having your guy’s back. JT has the potential to run the team well because he’s done it before. And this year was a winning season. All that said, it’s not a blank check Tedford receives in the mail and, at eight years, Tedford’s system is fully in place. At eight years, he’s not the one to answer if there’s a problem? I’m interested to see what Tedford puts in place during the off-season – Tedford needs to get support where it’s lacking, whether that is recruiting or assistant coaches.
Cal’s O-Line had difficulties this year, but they improved. Next season, time permitting, I intend to stat them a few games, to verify. Riley struggled this year. We’d like to see the slump stop.
I can’t see the locker room or Gregory inside it, but I can see Cal’s LB’s had difficulty this year. Over and over in the early games, and sometimes in the later games, the LB’s were out of position to make tackles on short passes because they did not react properly to the option and late release passes. These are high school techniques that are fostered and honed in college with proper coaching support.
I don’t believe Cal LB’s are inadequate athletically because they appear able to play the run well when they don’t arm-tackle (also coaching). But they appear unable to play the pass consistently. They need training to react immediately when they see the QB has kept the ball. Freezing in the headlights or treating every play like a run is why slants are getting behind them. This is a practice issue. That means a coaching issue. It might be Gregory, or it might be something we don’t know about and you do. Of course you can’t name names; there’s still space here for you to address more than just say Tedford’s a good guy.
Back to D. Cal DB’s had consistency difficulties this year, and I could see why on more than one occasion. On overload pass situations, cloud coverage did not react well, or support each other consistently. SQT is gifted athletically and Nnabufe impressed me with his fundamentals and reactions. The players are not the reason they seem inconsistently prepared for games and sometimes even confused. We want the Bears to win, and not just last season, or next year.
To me, the Bears are not playing to their potential. I’m not saying it’s easy to fix either. I can’t speak for Avinash, but he’s not alone in feeling that a sense of direction seemed less evident from Bears leadership this year. Let’s get them the support they need. Can you tell us more about what might be needed?
tedford is soft and his team reflects it
that’s pretty much it. the guy is wound tighter than cameron frye and wyatt donnelly’s love-child. the team used to be physical and now it’s not. It used to be tough and now it’s not. It used to have an edge and now it doesn’t.
revisionist histories about how nobody should have expected us to do well, and we’re doing fine treading water at 8 wins is ridiculous. This team will be lucky to win 6 next year and if there aren’t major reckonings or aaron rodgers doesn’t turn up again we’ll fall off the ledge the year after next.
The Cal fans (the few that were still left) in my section
during that whole two point conversion debacle were very upset. Cal is one of the best academic institutions in all the country, yet our coach couldn’t see that were down 16 but couldn’t do basic math to figure out that Cal would need 8 and 8 to tie the game.
I am starting to wonder and worry about the same thing, perhaps the Pac10 is starting to catch up and pass Tedford by.
Not going for it on 4th down late in the 4th quarter while down by 9 really bothered me.
Another question, when was the last time Tedford attempted a fake FG or punt?
Is Tedford becoming the Ben Braun of Cal football?
Please no Ben Braun comparisons
Until Cal football is 8th or 9th in the Pac-10 three out of four years.
Why not both of them found early success then slowly declined towards the bottom
of the Pac10. In 07 we finished in 7th place and this year we finish in 6th.
Look
You can’t judge coaching success relative to expectations. The more successful your program is, the higher your expectations will rise. Florida fans expected a national championship this year – does that mean Urban Meyer failed because they went 12-1?
Jeff Tedford is the most successful Cal coach in at least 50 years by pretty much any metric. The idea that he is a “bad” coach because he’s only winning 8 games a year and not 10 is…well…just plain silly.
Those arrests would have happened anyway. It’s not like Florida would have hired any coach who was gonna crack down on off-the-field activity.
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I honestly have no idea. I don’t know much about SEC football.
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I know too much about it...
It`s cutthroat.
Plain and simple.
I usually reserve my signatures for those distinguished philosophical ideologues and their take on the intellectual pursuit of our modern parlance.
"DADGUM!"
-Robert Cleckler "Bobby" Bowden.
Another question, when was the last time Tedford attempted a fake FG or punt?
Maybe’s he’s thinking, “Let’s concentrate on getting our main offense clicking before we worry about our trick offense. I’m going to focus on Riley completing passes before I worry about D’Amato lobbing bombs.”
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Well we could try running the ball
it was 4th and 4 so we could have possibly hiked the ball the one of the upmen and let him run. I think letting D’Amato or Anger passing the ball would be a recipe for disaster.
How many years did Joe-Pa go between good/great seasons?
I usually reserve my signatures for those distinguished philosophical ideologues and their take on the intellectual pursuit of our modern parlance.
"DADGUM!"
-Robert Cleckler "Bobby" Bowden.
I think Jeff Tedford
I believe that Tedford is still a great fit for the Bears. The problem I think that he has created high expectations, so when a season like this happens it is considered a disappointment.
There’s times that the fact that Bears lost some pretty significant talent from the 2008 season to the 2009 season. Gone were Zack Follett, Worrell Williams, and Tony Felder.
Alex Mack was sorely missed on the offensive line.
When the season started I think the belief was that the Bears had enough talented players to make up for these losses. Unfortunately, that didn’t happen this year.
I’m hoping that the Bears learn from this season and use this season as a motivator to not have these types of efforts in games.
“Same shit, different day.”
Only if by “same shit” you mean “not going to the Rose Bowl.” Which is to say that while Tedford has made a lot of mistakes in his tenure, I don’t really believe he’s repeated many of them.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
“same shit”=same mistakes (O-line, pass D, special teams, QB, receivers…)
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On a second look I misread that paragraph, so never mind.
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It was fantastic."
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So I guess the grade for this season is a D+, maybe a C- if you’re generous.
Way harsh. Last year SMU went like 0-12. I assume they get an F. This year we went 8-5 with wins over Furd and at fUCLA.
I give it B-.
So what can you say?
Different programs so different expectations, these are not apples to apples
SMU recieved the “death penalty” in NCAA sanctions and was breaking in a new coach.
You cannot be serious.
Avi, I hope you wrote this post just to get people talking because there is no way I can agree with this. Tedford is the best thing to happen to Cal football since Pappy. Cal fans sure got weird expectations if they want a team with the worst facilities in the Pac-10 to be a 10 win team every year. Every program has its ups and downs but 7-5, 8-6, 10-2, 8-4, 10-3, 7-6, 9-4, 8-5 shows remarkable consistency. AT BEING AWESOME. Sure, we aren’t Florida or whatever, but c’mon…but what should we expect?
1) Cal is a difficult school academically. Would you rather be at Alabama, where the degree is unimpressive but the football is a way of life?
2) We have terrible facilities. Seriously an embarrassment.
3) Cal football has a history of losing, and now we don’t…so we complain?!
4) Tedford is a nationally recognized coach, I think above and beyond all the other Pac-10 coaches—besides Petey, and everyone hates him.
Anyway, I just don’t get it.
by paleodan on Dec 24, 2009 12:01 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Once again Paleodan NAILS IT.
3) Cal football has a history of losing, and now we don’t…so we complain?!
by HolmoePhobe on Dec 24, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
History has no bearing
…on current performance. Cal football had a history of losing when the administration simply didn’t care. If the Cal AD had put up $2.8 million as a salary every year for the past 50 years, you can bet we’d have the same “history” as Michigan or USC.
Let’s not bury our heads in the sand because we’re used to losing.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 3:33 AM PST up reply actions
I think history has a bearing on this because I am of the opinion that some of Cal’s problems are institutional. In particular, poor facilities and a lack of community support-from Cal professors and local Berkeleyans. And our history points to those problems.
by paleodan on Dec 24, 2009 9:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Poor facilities is valid but that’s about to change in 2 years (and I thank Tedford for that of course). Cal professors and local Berkeleyans, however, have little impact on the success of our football program. They can offer token resistance to things like the SAHPC, but these are struggles that are overcome in couple years, and more importantly, they don’t affect Tedford’s decisions on the field and in practices. If Sandy wanted to, she could take the $2.8 million and hire Chris Petersen, assuming he’s willing. There is simply Cal faculty or local Berkeleyans could say that would stop her.
The fact is that the Holmoe years were the result of a low salary and poor hiring decisions and management on the part of the AD. You get what you pay for. For $2.8 million, we should not feel ourselves indebted to anything greater than 1-10.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree with point 4
Above and beyond all other Pac-10 coaches? Nah. At this point, Mike Riley and (arguably) Chip Kelly are higher on the Pac-10 coaches pecking order.
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
I don`t know if we can fully put Tedford on a warm seat cushion until the SAHPC is completed and recruits get to gawk at it.
After that, it`s all him.
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"DADGUM!"
-Robert Cleckler "Bobby" Bowden.
Awww, I think Tedford would appreciate a heated seat cushion – it might get cold in his office! Is it too late for everyone to chip in for a just-in-time Christmas gift?
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I`d prefer an electric snuggie
I usually reserve my signatures for those distinguished philosophical ideologues and their take on the intellectual pursuit of our modern parlance.
"DADGUM!"
-Robert Cleckler "Bobby" Bowden.
Will this do in a pinch?

At least it lets him know how we feel about him!
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I understand that Cal doesn't get all the top recruits but wouldn't you agree that Cal
had just as much if not more talent as far as stars next to a recruits name than OSU, Washington, and Utah?
Shouldn’t Cal, with its superior recruits have been able to better compete with these teams? The fact that these games weren’t really close and Cal had comparable talent, if not more on the field, well doesn’t that fall on the coaches not getting the most out of their players or properly preparing them?
I agree with that...
I`ve wondered sometimes what exactly the coaches do in terms of getting the Bears mentally prepared for the game.
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"DADGUM!"
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Considerably better.
It’s worrisome to what extent Oregon State in particular is better at coaching up recruits than Cal is. Offensively they have the coaching continuity that Cal lacks, but I can’t quite understand how they keep to such a strong defensive baseline even while graduating entire personnel groups at a time.
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It was fantastic."
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Oregon State is interesting mostly because they were so terrible for so long. It seems like Riley likes it there, but I don’t know about the rest of the staff… They will probably have the Mountain West problem: where real success means powerhouses steal away your coaches. OSU got lucky that they found a head coach who wants to be there. Just like Cal is lucky that we found someone (Tedford!) who fits with our school.
What's worrisome to me is not so much that we lost to these schools
I can understand closely fought game, in which Cal is upset by a lesser team, such as Arizona 06. However, to just get completely outplayed and destroyed by Washington and handled at home against OSU?!?!?!
I have to blame these three losses on Tedford and the coaches.
I appreciate the poor facilities and the anticipation for the SAHPC, and I believe it will help attract recruits and everything… but I don’t think the people who are criticizing Tedford are saying that we don’t have enough talent, or that Tedford hasn’t been able to bring in quality recruits. I think they’re saying he’s not getting enough out of the talented players that are already on the team.
by atomsareenough on Dec 24, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
I say...
The day we lose to Wazzu, we terminate him on the spot.
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"DADGUM!"
-Robert Cleckler "Bobby" Bowden.
Guys...THIS IS NOT A FIRE TEDFORD POST
This is to discuss his flaws and to criticize him for game management and preparation. Why do we always end up getting into a shouting match on whether he should or should not be fired (which is meaningless since he’s here until his contract ends anyway)?
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I don`t think anyone has ostensibly called for his head yet...
I think most of the people in the thread are just venting, and will actually rally behind Tedford somewhat in the next few days and weeks to try and improve this thing.
I usually reserve my signatures for those distinguished philosophical ideologues and their take on the intellectual pursuit of our modern parlance.
"DADGUM!"
-Robert Cleckler "Bobby" Bowden.
Well, in this case
It’s probably because of the big-picture nature of the question you posed in the title and carried somewhat through the body of the post. You weren’t just talking about this game or this season, you were talking about Jeff Tedford and Cal over multiple years. When its a question like that, it’s more likely to become a discussion of “Is he the right coach for us?” rather than “what could he have done better in this situation?”
I've been Honked...
+1
I had that impression as I read.
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"DADGUM!"
-Robert Cleckler "Bobby" Bowden.
I don’t think there’s any reason to assume this. It’s perfectly fair to discuss Tedford’s shortcomings. He, as head coach, is not immune to criticism.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 3:17 AM PST up reply actions
Hyperbole begets hyperbole...
To be fair, you didn’t ask about assessing particulars in his strategy. You asked “is he still a good coach”. That’s pretty much a ‘Fire Tedford" post waiting to happen. I mean, is he a good coach? Of course he is. No one who consistently wins 8-10 games in a major conference can realistically be called a ’bad’ coach. No one questions whether Harbaugh is a good coach, and when was the last time he won 10 games? Hell, when was the last time he won seven games??
A hyperbolic question is going to invite hyperbolic answers.
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Cal's record during the Tedford era
2002: 7-5
2003: 8-6
2004: 10-2
2005: 8-4
2006: 10-3
2007: 7-6
2008: 9-4
2009: 8-4
Clearly Cal is neither getting better nor getting worse. In that regard, Tedford is only “disappointing” if you assume that Cal should be improving its record every year, which is a highly questionable assumption (for obvious statistical reasons, no program can keep getting more and more wins every year). It’s entirely possible, even, that Cal has hit its ceiling in terms of football success.
by HolmoePhobe on Dec 24, 2009 12:31 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
And our ranking in the Pac-10
2002: T-4th
2003: T-3rd
2004: 2nd
2005: T-4th
2006: T-1st
2007: T-7th
2008: 4th
2009: T-5th
is very scatter-shot, with no trends whatsoever.
I think ranking is a less accurate indicator of performance because it depends to a greater extent on external variables (how other teams perform against each other).
by HolmoePhobe on Dec 24, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think everyone assumes we should get better every year. Last year we won 9 games, and I think most people were pretty happy with that following the 2007 debacle.
But I think a lot of people legitimately expected us to improve this year, but instead we regressed. We regressed in terms of total wins, and I think we took a huge step backwards in terms of being a competitive team every week. Win or lose, this should be our goal and expectation given where the program is now.
That said, Cal still had what I would call a “pretty good” season and remains a “good” program. I will say now that I do not expect us to improve next year, so I will be “satisfied” if we win 7-8 games.
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Well the problem is what caused people to legitmately expect us to improve? I think the answer is the media. They hyped Cal. Lots of Cal fans bought it. When you look past the bullshit, I see a shitty OL, an inconsistent QB, just okay WRs, a young and inexperienced secondary, and young and inexperienced LBs. That’s a lot of problems.
So while people may not have had the expectations that Cal needs to get better every year, there were expectations that Cal should improve this year, but those expectations were based on poor rationale.
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Easy to say in hindsight. Maybe you called it from the beginning, but I don’t think it was a stretch to think we would do at least as well as last year if not better. I thought 10 wins was very doable.
And it was not just the media but also the coaches and team. Remember that we essentially shut down fall camp a couple of days early because we were feeling so good about ourselves.
We did lose some key guys (that happens every year) but we brought a lot of guys back. A team like Oregon came in with a lot more questions than us (including on the OL) but they did pretty well.
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There’s a fundamental problem with this theory is that we were able to perform better in 2008 with pretty much the exact same OL (minus Mack, but we gained Tepper), the same receivers, the same secondary, and the same QB. They’ve had an additional year of experience, and yet we seem to have done inexplicably worse. Phil Steele argues that returning starters is the best indicator of a season’s performance, and by this indicator we should’ve had a 10-11 win season. How is it that we’ve managed to do worse with the same talent plus additional experience? I don’t buy the talent argument, this logical gap is simply too large.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 2:56 AM PST up reply actions
On OL we lost Mack and Malele, both of whom are better than probably every single starter on this year’s OL.
Yeah, we have the same WRs this year. They weren’t that good last year.
We have the same QB from last year. He wasn’t that good last year either.
Yeah, they’ve had one more year to get better. They didn’t get worse. They got a little better, but not a lot. There is no logic gap. Seriously, man. It’s about talent. Cal doesn’t have a lot of it.
I like Phil Steele too. And I do believe returning starters is a fairly good indicator of how good a team may be next year, but that assumption rests on the belief that those returning starters ARE GOOD TO BEGIN WITH (a team can return 100% of their starters but if they all suck to begin with then it doesn’t matter). A lot of our guys from our 2008 weren’t that good to begin with. I’ve said this before, I don’t see a lot of NFL talent on this team right now. I don’t even see a lot of all-Pac-10 talent.
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I respect your football opinion and realize it is far greater than mine is, but I still find it difficult to understand why this absolves the coaching staff. Talent should not be inherent, it should be developed as well. Teams like Oregon State continue to take 2-star and 3-star recruits and develop them into “NFL talent.” Our recruiting classes are higher rated, and presumably more talented, than Oregon State’s, yet after 4 years they send more NFL talent (see 2009’s 7 vs 3)?
Either this is a failure to identify talent accurately or a failure to develop talent, but either way does this responsibility not lie with the coaching staff?
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 5:43 AM PST up reply actions
This
I don’t think the problem is that we lack talent. I think it hasn’t been fully harnessed or maximized.
by atomsareenough on Dec 24, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
It’s entirely possible, even, that Cal has hit its ceiling in terms of football success.
I could not disagree more. The idea that there is a ceiling in achieving success has been broken so many times by the likes of Boise State, Cincinnati, and the very team we played tonight, Utah, that it still amazes me this misconception persists. Cal has the money, the geographical locale, the fanbase, and now the facilities to attract the best. There’s no reason to believe we can’t achieve a Rose Bowl more than once every 50 years.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 3:27 AM PST up reply actions
It depends on how you define success. Obviously Wyoming is not going to become a national title contender with their potential fanbase. But one Rose Bowl in 8 seasons (I’ll start this at 2001 when the administration started caring about football as a revenue-generating sport) is not an unreasonable measure for success, and I think most Cal fans would agree on this. The idea that there is a “ceiling” that prevents us from getting to one Rose Bowl in the past 8 seasons is ridiculous.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
There is very much a ceiling. It is a red and yellow ceiling and it constantly plays the same song over and over.
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by rollonubears on Dec 26, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
And nobody finished above the previous 7?
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by rollonubears on Dec 26, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
But big-picture wise, when I hear postgame quotes from Tepper and Holley that this team demands perfection and that they can go toe-to-toe with Florida and Alabama…I mean, what do I say to that? I’m sorry, but has team ever played like they had the ability to go undefeated?
To be fair, Florida has never gone undefeated so I don’t think going “toe-to-toe” with them implies an undefeated season.
Hey, how’d a Ute get in here??? Seal the doors!!
hehe, just kidding. Pains me to do it, but congrats on your bowl win. We hung in there in the second half, but just couldn’t close the deal.
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just yankin' your chain :-)
Yep, I do realize how easy it is – I was just making a joke :-)
You’ll find us a welcoming bunch in general, I just had to get a little jab in since you beat our butts.
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It's the little things that kill me
such as the ill-advised riley scramble…the infamous decoud coin flip where we kicked off twice…and now, sending your kicking team out onto the field when a 2 pt. conversion makes it a one possession game. You can blame the players in the first two examples, but doesn’t the responsibility ultimately fall on the shoulders of the head coach, especially when these boneheaded things occur repeatedly?
People often complain about Tedford being too conservative, and I’d like to see him be more aggressive too. But at least that’s more of a philosophical disagreement, and there certainly have been successful conservative coaches in both the college and professional game. But the mental lapses that are sometimes just unfathomable make me wonder what’s going on in Tedford’s head. I want him to succeed, I don’t think we should fire him. But he needs to take spend this off-season doing some serious soul searching if he wants to have any shot at a top 3 finish in the Pac-10 next year.
Tedford is responsible for all our players’ boneheaded mistakes? They’re only college kids—19 year olds do stupid things all the time. Tedford is a head coach, not a puppeteer.
by paleodan on Dec 24, 2009 12:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Uhh…well, the coach is supposed to tell the QB to throw the ball away (which Tedford forgot to do)…and I’m pretty sure the coach is responsible for knowing whether to go for two or not.
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Actually, Riley made one or two heads-up plays tonight where he threw the ball away instead of taking the sack.
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so?
Isn’t that the kind of thing you should expect? Utah’s freshman QB must have thrown away at least 3 or 4 balls to get out of a sack.
by atomsareenough on Dec 24, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Isn't that a major part of his job description?
To keep the kids focused and get them mentally prepared? I would hope that any college coach can mitigate the mistakes that kids might be prone to make. He’s being paid two and a haIf mil for a reason.
And I haven’t even brought up the poor clock management (since this might be more of a personal opinion than a fact) and the multiple times our special teams have had too few players on the field (which one could argue is more a product of the coaching staff rather than 19 year old kids). Were any of these DIRECTLY Tedford’s fault? Mostly, no. But he’s in charge of the ENTIRE program. The players, the assistant coaches and anyone else affiliated with the team. So I think it’s very fair to hold him accountable for these types of mistakes that should not be happening.
This is SOOO true. College football fans tend to blame the HC for everything that goes wrong, and frankly, like I’ve said before, the kids play the game. There’s only so much coaching you can do and then it doesn’t really matter because it’s all in the hands of the players.
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The natural counter to this argument is that when you look at well-coached teams (think Saban’s Alabama), you will never see them execute boneheaded mistakes. And maybe only 75% of Saban’s team would probably qualify academically at Cal. We’re not talking about stupid kids here on our team.
Being able to avoid crushing mistakes on a consistent basis is as easily a marker of good coaching (drills, drills, drills, drills, and more drills until it’s as instinctive as brushing your teeth) as talent. Tedford’s job isn’t simply to show our kids a bunch of X’s and O’s and shove them onto the turf. Football is much more than a game scheme on a whiteboard.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 2:49 AM PST up reply actions
You are definitely right that there are drills we can run to get these sort of boneheaded mistakes to happen less, and presumably we run them. But mistakes are still going to happen because, well, shit happens.
I agree
It’s just frustrating to watch the same mistakes happen over and over again.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
the 2 point conversion
I don’t think Tedford was actually going to kick a field goal. I didn’t see the kicking team go out onto the field. Perhaps I’m mistaken. I think the timeout was called so that they could set-up a play they wanted.
by gogoldenbears on Dec 24, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure I saw the kicking team jogging out there. People in the stadium I believe have corroborated it, not sure though.
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I was listening on the radio at that point
The radio announcers said the same thing, that the kicking team was coming out, and they were mystified that the coaches didn’t do the math to know that we had to go for 2, and then they described the confusion on the field which led to the timeout. Definitely a boneheaded mistake.
by atomsareenough on Dec 24, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
It shouldn't take a timeout to set-up a 2-pt. conversion.
It should be automatic to get that unit on the field.
I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.
My take...
1. Tedford is who Tedford is. The things that excited us years back are bound to appear stale. That said, I think like a lot of long term couches, Tedford needs to wonder if teams have figured his schemes out. Giving credit to Mike Bellotti, but he understood that times were changing from multiple schemes to spread schemes. Speed over power. We can either adapt or get used to mid Pac 10 finishes.
2. Tedford is Kirk Ferantz (sp?): At a university typically out recruited by a couple of big boys in the conference, and usually gets a few 8 win seasons, and the occasional 10 win season. Our perspective would be completely different if we hadn’t been hosed by Texas in ’04.
3. Big receiver experiment has paid off. Hawkins, Jordan and Jackson may not have run blocked, but they were game changers. We now have tall, slow, receivers (or can’t catch…hello Jeremy Ross) who can’t separate or change the game. Even Marvin Jonesis a slot receiver in most schemes. We need speed at the receiver position.
4. The last good QB at Cal was…Steve Levy. He had guts, did no harm, and was who he was…a fullback in QB clothing. The QB position should be opened up because we know what Riley is, 50-50. If he’s your best QB simply because of years, then God help us.
5. Alamar must go. I think Gregory is fine. He’s playing fourth string DBs, and the ones he has in there normally (other than Squid) aren’t worth a damn anyway. But generally, I think Gregory does well with the personnel he has.
Eight years on the job, things are bound to get stale. Everything must be evaluated, from unis to coaches. i figure Tedford will do it.
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 24, 2009 1:02 AM PST reply actions
The last good QB at Cal was…Steve Levy.
Might’ve had something to do with only starting two games against .500 or less competition. Riley and Longshore did really well against crap competition too.
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I was actually joking with that comment.
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 24, 2009 1:48 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Tedford is even as good as Kirk Ferentz. In the past 5 seasons, Ferentz has been able to beat Penn State (twice), Ohio State, Michigan, and their rivals Iowa State on a consistent basis, even when they are ranked. This is like the equivalent of beating (ranked) USC, Oregon, Oregon State, and Stanford on a regular basis.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 2:44 AM PST up reply actions
“This is like the equivalent of beating (ranked) USC, Oregon, Oregon State, and Stanford on a regular basis”
Wrong. USC, not this year but prior years, is head and shoulders above anything the Big “10” has fielded in recent years.
As for the rest, we HAVE beat Oregon on a consistent basis, “even when they are ranked”. Hello, remember 2007? Oregon State? Yep, they’ve had our number for sure. Stanford??? You have to be kidding me, we’re 7-1 under Tedford.
I’m not sure it’s a great comparison, but Iowa @ Cal have a lot of similarities.
You have a point. It’s just painful to see Iowa reach a BCS bowl while we were relegated to the Holiday Bowl for our ’04 team that likely would have taken on any non-USC team in the country.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
Why does everyone assume good things might have happened if Mack Brown didn’t lick the media’s nuts? Everyone focuses on the game we didn’t go to and not on the injuries that decimated us at the end of the season. No Lyman, No GMac. It didn’t matter what game we played in, we still had no receivers for Aaron to throw to. That offense was a shadow of the balanced, well-oiled machine that had gotten us to that point.
I swear it is like 2006 never happened for some of you people.
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by rollonubears on Dec 24, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
2006 was great
but we had a very terrible Pac-10 too. When we played against real teams like Tennessee and SC, did you see our o-line crumble? We got 10 wins, but we were NOT the same caliber as the ’04 team.
Let me just say this about the coaching situation:
At least keep Ludwig around for another year. Let’s see how well we do with the same OC for two years in a row, because we haven’t had that since 2006.
As far as everyone else, I dunno. Alamar should be gone as he has really gotten worse though.
Not sure why this year was trouble for Gregory. He as well as Alamar have been with Tedford since he was first hired back in 2002. I really want to say inexperienced coverage LBs and CBs was the prime reason we did so badly against the pass, but overall I’m just not sure what his major malfunction was.
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I agree on Ludwig. I like him, but was very disappointed with the bowl game. I think everyone agrees on Alamar.
Gregory has generally produced defenses that are mediocre to bad in terms of yardage allowed but better in terms of scoring. This is his famous BBDB. His defenses have been pretty consistently bad against the pass. We rank 112 (out of 120) this year. The two previous years we were 38th and no better than 82nd the three prior years. Amazingly, that solid 2004 D ranked 89th in pass defense!
I personally find Gregory’s defenses frustrating to watch because they give up a ton of yards, and I expected much better this year, particularly against the pass with our entire DB returning. But I’m willing (as if I have a choice!) to see what he can do over the next couple of years. Assuming our current commits sign, we have a lot of talent coming in next year on D. If he can’t do better with those guys, time to change it up.
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I personally don’t mind yards. It’s allowing the other guys to get into the endzone that matters the most IMO, and I noticed a lot more of that happening this year. That’s my cause for concern.
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Looking at the numbers...
The Pac-10 has now had 4 years of full round robin scheduling. Tedford’s conference record in this 4 year time: 21-15. Other schools include SC going 27-9, Oregon 27-9, Oregon St. 25-11, Arizona 19-17. Tedford is only 2 games better than Mike Stoops in the last 4 years.
Tedford’s biggest knock is the fact that in 8 years he hasn’t reached a BCS game. 2004 wasn’t his fault but looking back on all the talent we had, 2006 was a huge letdown. Granted, until Oregon this year no other conference team made the BCS except SC since the 2002 season but in college football close enough doesn’t mean much.
The last 3 years we haven’t really challenged for the Pac-10 either. Armed Forces, Emerald, Poinsettia Bowls. And 6 straight losses to SC doesn’t help. Having said that, I think as long as Tedford achieves winning seasons, Big Game wins and manages the players well in the classroom like he has been, there will probably be enough support to keep him around as the head coach. If he does have a losing season, I’d imagine he will be firmly on the hot seat.
Tedford will need to find some new assistants who can help get the program on top. For whatever reason, this group of coaches just doesn’t seem to motivate the team to play up to its potential. I just hope that any changes don’t affect the recruiting class in a negative way, but I’m sure that goes into Tedford’s decision.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Dec 24, 2009 1:50 AM PST reply actions
I don’t think anyone will give a rat’s ass if Alamar is fired. Or Gregory for that matter. But realistically, I’m not sure we’ll see any coaching changes. Maybe at the position coaches but no coordinators. By all accounts Alamar and Tedford are close. Gregory’s spot seems secure and Ludwig just got there.
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I think you might be right about the coaching changes. I don’t have any insider knowledge, so I’m not sure how these decisions are made. It’s fun though to be an armchair coach and AD.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Dec 24, 2009 2:09 AM PST up reply actions
I know the last thing you want to hear from right now is a Utah fan giving his opinion...
But I always find these discussions interesting.
For starters, I’ve always believed Tedford was one of the best coaches in America. I certainly expected him to lead Cal to championship contention over the last few years and am I always surprised when your teams stagnate, regress and then collapse.
With that said, I think Tedford reminds me a lot like Ron McBride here at Utah. I know you’ve got this mindset that he is the second winningest coach in the modern era and therefore off limits in any discussion about being overrated. However, McBride was the second winningest coach in Utah football history and Ute fans knew about eight seasons in he just wasn’t going to get it done.
McBride, like Tedford, took over a dreadful team and made them respectable rather quickly. He was, for a long time, the most successful coach in the modern era and guided Utah to more bowl games in its history.
But the teams often struggled to live up to expectations. Like Cal, there was talk about the Utes taking it to the next level and every time they came close, they’d lose a game or two they shouldn’t have and it would cost them any chance of an attention grabbing season.
In fact, 1994 to McBride is very similar to 2004 for Tedford. It was the peak of each’s career and neither could establish that type of success again. Both teams went 10-2, both finished in the top-ten and both failed to sniff that type of success again.
What happened with McBride after 1994 is that the team often was good enough to win its bowl games and surprise a top-level team and beat our rival BYU, but they were never consistent enough to deliver an outright conference title. And over the years, slippage became more obvious.
In 1999, the Utes went 9-3 and yet had some bad losses that were inexcusable.
The difference is that McBride wore the rope out so much that it eventually snapped. After 1999, the Utes went 4-7 and then followed it up with a respectable 8-4 campaign a year later – only to finish 5-6 in 2002.
Tedford isn’t at that level yet. And I’m guessing Cal fans are of the same thought Ute fans were in 1998, when we thought McBride had probably done all he could, but didn’t do enough bad to warrant a coaching change.
So, you’re basically in limbo, waiting for the inevitable bad season to let the guy go.
For Utah, that happened in 2002 and it allowed us to bring in Urban Meyer. Even then, the firing was met with mixed reaction across our fan base because many opposed it on the basis they felt the Utes had tapped out.
Gordon Monson, a local writer here for the Salt Lake Tribune, famously said that McBride was as good as it gets and that no coach would ever sniff the success he saw at Utah.
The same will probably be said about Tedford.
In the end, Meyer came in and went 22-2 and established a winning foundation. The program leaped onto the national stage in 2004 and busted the BCS before anyone thought a non-BCS team could do it (and I’m sure Cal fans remember this, since it cost you a spot).
Of course, we know Meyer took the Florida gig and Kyle Whittingham replaced him. Well Whittingham is 47-17 in five seasons and becomes only the second coach in program history to lead the team to back-to-back ten win seasons.
The other is Meyer. Since 2003, the Utes have produced a 10-2 campaign, a 12-0 campaign, a 9-4 campaign, a 13-0 campaign and a 10-3 campaign. It’s the best stretch in program history and happened because the athletic department made the tough choice to fire one of the most successful (hell, THE most successful) coach in program history.
I’m not saying Cal needs to run out and fire Tedford tomorrow and find their Urban Meyer. I’m just saying that you can’t live in this mindset that since Tedford has done more than any coach in modern Cal history, he’s untouchable.
Well sometimes it takes a change like that to kick start a program. And that isn’t an indictment on Tedford’s coaching, either. He’s a helluva coach who turned around a slumping program and made them respectable – just like McBride. However, he might not be the guy to take that program and push it to the next level. Which happens a lot in college sports.
Then again, maybe he is. But as the original message said: he’s in his eighth season. The odds of him finally having a break out season get slimmer and slimmer the more he coaches.
Regardless, I do believe the future is bright for Cal. They’ve got a great foundation no matter what happens. Because of Tedford, you guys will be a top-destination for a really good coach if you decide to part. And if he turns this around and eventually topples SC/Oregon for the championship, it’s all a moot point anyway!
Good luck, guys. You’re one of the more favorite Pac Ten teams.
by JazzyUte on Dec 24, 2009 3:16 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
Great post
I’m just saying that you can’t live in this mindset that since Tedford has done more than any coach in modern Cal history, he’s untouchable.
This is something a lot of Cal fans should read and consider carefully. I think you guys got really lucky getting Meyer, but the follow up with Whittingham is heartening.
Good game, just wish the Cal team that played Stanford this year had shown up tonight.
by BeareatsTacos on Dec 24, 2009 3:21 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks.
We lucked out with Meyer. The second he was hired, we knew we had a special coach.
And Meyer came to Utah because he knew he could win. He had been offered the Wyoming job a week earlier and turned them down to stay at Bowling Green.
He’s smart. He knows the risks/rewards of jumping to each program. He knew the Utes had the talent to be a legitimate top-25 team.
So, he accepted and had success right away.
I’ve got to think it’s the same situation for Cal. They’ve got the talent to beat Washington. They have the talent to beat Oregon State. Hell, they probably had more experience and talent to beat Utah this year (we’re a very young team).
But you didn’t and it’s possible you didn’t win those games because the coaches have just hit their ceiling at Cal. Maybe It happens all the time. Tedford might just be the type of coach who works best as an underdog and at developing programs, but isn’t quite capable of moving that program from point A to point B.
The odds of him finally having a break out season get slimmer and slimmer the more he coaches.
The question, though, is if Tedford will follow a similar career trajectory as Bobby Bowden, whose first ten years at FSU were similarly inconsistent.
Yup – Bowden’s first 8 years at FSU followed a similar path – it wasn’t until around year 11 or 12 that the program became elite.
by HolmoePhobe on Dec 24, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I give Tedford 2 years with new facilities.
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 24, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
The Evolution of JT
First and foremost, let me say that I am a supporter of Tedford and would nothing more than to see him live out his days (as the winningest coach in Cal football) and retire of his own accord. I don’t think he should be fired, even if his contract wasn’t extended until 2014.
However, I am also quite critical of Tedford. These two actually go hand-in-hand.
The head coach in NCAA football has a multitude of roles. He’s a recruiter of high school athletes, a manager for coaching staff, a role model for the team, a schemer for game planning, and a figurehead on the field. All of these together create the head coaching role, which more than anything else, should be seen as the equivalent of the CEO of a large corporation.
Tedford, when he began at Cal in 2002, was not this CEO. He tried to do everything, and it worked well because he was putting in 14 hour days and sleeping in the office. However, as his role has developed, he has recognized that this approach has led to problems — see 2007 for a prime example. Thus, his evolution of Tedford into the CEO role. He began to take less of a focus in game planning and more of a focus as an overall team manager. He paid attention to team dynamics and morale, to the defense (previously the sole realm of Bob Gregory), to allocating duties to a full-time offensive coordinator. I’ve seen a lot of evidence that Tedford is doing this superbly.
Unfortunately, the results seem to have stagnated in terms of wins and losses. For this, I will criticize Tedford, because ultimately the buck stops there. But this is not a critique of Tedford’s ability as a coach. It’s a critique of Tedford’s ability as a CEO, which he is still learning. The fact that Tedford has retained Alamar for this long is one of many examples where I cannot simply stand by and keep quiet.
I hope as Tedford continues to develop into the CEO role that his delegation of duties will pay dividends. Some of his prior coaching hires (Dunbar, Cignetti), did not work out too well, and I think he has learned from these experiences. I hope Ludwig, Marshall, and our upcoming special teams coach will take begin to bring an upswing to our W-L record. If not, Tedford needs to continue to search for the best in coaching staff. He needs to continue to identify problems, delegate competent members of our coaching staff to address those problems, and ensure completion of those corrections as a supervisor. Regardless, I trust the Cal program in his hands — he’s shown he is loyal to Cal and has proven himself to identify with values that I find myself proud to associate with as a Cal fan.
Anyway, just my 2 cents. Go Bears!
I'm willing to give Tedford two things
1) The facilities. OK, they’re on the way and it appears as if the promise of better facilities is starting to pay off, and Chris Martin even referred to the facilities in the past tense even though he won’t see them until his 2nd or 3rd year in the program.
2). Flexible payroll to get the best assistant coaches in the nation. I c+p from that post, as I don’t really have too much more to add:
Cal is second to last in total assistant coach (TAC) salaries at $1.458 million. On that list, only Minnesota pays their coaches less. This places them either #7 or #8 in the Pac10, depending on how much the ‘furd pays their coaches and assuming that USC pays their coaches well. Of this list, I count 25 schools that pay their coaches $500k more than Cal. Fiducial markers include public schools like UCLA (nearly $400k higher), Washington ($600k higher), Texas ($1.5 million higher), North Carolina ($500k higher) and Missouri ($700k higher). Note that I didn’t even mention the SEC schools. If one considers the cost of living in the Bay Area or SoCal compared to anywhere else, then these numbers become particularly alarming.
I found the comparison between the HC salary and the TAC salaries to be very interesting. Of the participating schools, the difference between these two categories is $100k or less at Texas, Nebraska, Illinois, Florida St, Maryland, ASU, and Oregon. If Cal, for example, paid all of their assistants $100k less than what Tedford makes, they’d have the third highest TAC payroll in the nation. Cal is behind only Florida, Texas, and Ohio St for the largest difference between HC salary and TAC salaries. Of those four schools, guess who pays both their HC and assistants less? Did I mention cost of living? Additionally, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Clemson have TAC salaries that are $980k or higher than the HC salary. I counted 15 schools on that list that have higher TAC salaries than HC salary.
I’m not advocating that Coach Tedford operate his football program like UCOP. However, it’s starting to appear that Cal Football is losing this arms race both regionally and nationally. While guys like Lupoi and Gould seem like excellent coaches from the reports I’ve read, Cal’s replaced two recent departures (Coaches M and Cignetti) with two journeymen (Coaches Marshall and Ludwig). Coach Marshall probably has enough NFL and college apparel to start his own Champs store while Ludwig’s jumped from Oregon—>Utah—>K-St (for like 5 min)—>Cal. Despite this I believe both are making what appear to be excellent salaries (6 figures), but perhaps compared to assistants at other schools they’re underpaid. Coach Lupoi, a grad assistant who seemed to only be valuable to Cal at the time, was aggressively promoted to D-line coach. While he seems like a solid pickup, would it have been possible to bring him along more slowly and hire a more experienced coach to man one of the most important positions in football? Was this a budget-driven move? Tennessee and their ridiculous bankroll hired former Mississippi head coach and renowned recruiter Ed Orgeron as their D-line coach.
My point: Is Tedford’s budget so tight that he’s uncompetitive for assistant coaches or does he simply not want “guys like that” in his program? Is Cal hiring the best coaches or bottom-of-the-barrel types? If Cal paid Coach M more, would he have left for UDub and then the Raiders? I see a bunch of coaches who either have experience at inferior institutions, have experience at other positions, have little experience altogether, or have bounced around more established programs/NFL teams.
Once he has both 1) and 2), then I think it’s fair to ask “Should Tedford be taking us to a Rose Bowl?” Until that day comes, we’re kidding oursleves.
As a side note, I’d like to encourage the practice of coming up with a replacement candidiate for a coach you’d like to fire. I’ve said I liked Ron English for DC, and someone like Va Tech’s ST coach or the 49ers asst ST coach for Cal’s ST. I encourage you to read the post linked above, and to further explore the resumes of our current coaches at calbears.com
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Gregory's BS prevent and QB play
Tedford’s kids look like their heart is not in it as they do not believe in Riley or Gregory’s BS prevent.
Riley will never ‘get it’ and it is high time to play anyone but Riley. Beau Sweeney seems like the best option at this point and we are past needing a new defensive coordinator!
Gregory sucks and his schemes are a joke. His prevent is preventing Cal from winning like all prevent defenses do. Aaron Rogers bailed Tedford out and Follett and the other graduated LBs bailed Gregory out. It is time to attack on D and O by add elements of the spread on O and dialing up well timed zone blitzes. Good thing Tucker’s football dropping @$$ will be gone next year!
Cal is going to morph into the Raiders if they are not careful…
I would have liked to see Beau Sweeney (or Mansion) throw somewhat meaningful passes in either the two OOC blowout wins or the 4 blowout losses. That’s 6 games where he could have thrown the ball a bit more – and that would help give the coaching staff a better idea about who can do what on their roster. Instead, both of the underclassmen are giant question marks.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Because coaches aren’t allowed to watch players in practice.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
by rollonubears on Dec 24, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Be agressive! B. E. agressive!
Aggression will not solve our problems, sorry. You could see how quickly we took advantage of other teams when they were too aggressive, even this year when our defense and offense were not very good.
How the game was won: Utah was vastly superior at the quarterback position, with freshman Jordan Wynn outplaying Cal junior Kevin Riley. Wynn completed 26 of 36 passes for 338 yards with three touchdowns. He shook off an early pick-six interception to play a nearly flawless game. Riley completed 20 of 36 for 214 yards with two interceptions and a late touchdown pass when the result was no longer in question. He basically had one good drive — he went 3 for 3 for 60 yards on a TD drive that closed the gap to 27-21 with 39 seconds left in the third — and that was it. To be fair, the Bears receivers dropped a number of critical passes that might have helped Riley get in rhythm.
Turning point: Much like Oregon State the night before, Cal jumped ahead early and looked superior on both sides of the ball. And, much like the night before, the fast start couldn’t have been more deceiving. After linebacker Eddie Young returned a Wynn interceptions for a TD, the Bears led 14-0. But Utah got a 61-yard return on the ensuing kickoff and then drove for a TD to answer. The Bears wouldn’t show a pulse again until the scoring drive described above.
Stat of the game: Six consecutive Cal drives netted just 18 yards stretching from the second quarter to late in the third. The technical term for that is “bad.”
Second guessing: More than a few Utah fans griped about Andy Ludwig’s play-calling when he was the Utes offensive coordinator, so that faction probably is nodding their heads after the Bears anemic showing. Utah was better prepared and better coached during the game on both sides of the ball. Cal defensive coordinator Bob Gregory’s pass defense — so impressive in 2008 — imploded this year, and he might want to consider trashing his rush-three, drop-eight scheme. Simply, it’s not working.
What it means: Cal, once ranked sixth in the nation, finishes a supremely disappointing season at 8-5. The Bears — coaches and players — will need to look in the mirror during the offseason. The first question is Riley. Will he break through as a senior? Or might coach Jeff Tedford want to go in a different direction in 2010? Another thing for Tedford to think about: Does he have enough fire on his coaching staff? Tedford, Ludwig and Gregory are all low-key, cerebral coaches. The Bears seeming lack of fire this season — other than the Stanford and Arizona games — might be an issue that could be helped by a coach who doesn’t mind an occasional sideline or locker room tirade.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
First recruit to jump ship
Here is some regression for ya. Davon Dunn(WR) has de-committed from Cal and is now going to Fresno St. This came after the loss, where the passing offense looked dreadful. I wonder how many recruits are going to flee after watching that pathetic performance.
Stick a fork in Tedford, the dude is pot roast.
Okay, the decommitting happened before the game
The morning of the game actually. The two events had little relation to each other; he wanted to be the main guy on a team and not just one of the pieces.
As for the recruiting, we’ll see. But to say Tedford is ‘pot roast’ reflects that you have very little idea what you’re talking about.
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Does it really
Does the fact that Tedford had to have Riley tell him that we had to go for two to make it a one score game not change your mind? None of the constant brain farts in coaching decisions over the past couple of years? Yeah I have no idea what I’m talking about.
You were implying Tedford was going to get fired. Which isn’t even close to true.
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I’m not saying Tedford is going to get fired. I’m saying he is burnt out like a bad pot roast. I know that he can’t be fired because it would mean a big time contract buyout. This year he became Jeff “take an knee” Tedford. At the USC game i’ve never heard the fans voice displeasure the way they did that night during the Tedford era.
I’m expecting next year to be the worst of the Tedford era at Cal. Not much is coming back from this years disappointing cast. This would be the perfect time to bring in some new coaches and start from scratch and perhaps build on something that can we can look forward to in 2011.
I’m not saying Tedford is going to get fired. I’m saying he is burnt out like a bad pot roast.
So you meant that, quite literally, he will be overcooked in a 350 F oven?
Why would anyone want to do that to a football coach?
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 24, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
You know, I’m pretty sure the debacle after the last touchdown was mentioned in the post above. So it’s not like we didn’t notice that. There’s still no chance he gets fired.
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by yellow fever on Dec 24, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
Guys, we're missing the big story
Devon Dunn is clairvoyant and he knew we would lose the Poinsettia Bowl yesterday morning. I don’t know if I should be disappointed, since Dunn would have been a great football player—predicting where the coverage and ball were going to be. Or maybe Cal doesn’t want him because he’s not reliable and could be captured for government experiments at any time..
Stick a fork in Tedford, the dude is pot roast.
lol
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by rollonubears on Dec 24, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
The only thing I remember from my Cal stat class...
Correlation does not imply causation
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 24, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Since we rarely do this on this blog, let’s take this a step further.
Say Coach Tedford stopped being Cal’s football coach (left for another program/team, got fired, or resigned). Your task is to help hire the next coach. Do you look for:
1) Established coordinator from a traditional powerhouse (e.g., Sarkesian—>UDub from USC; Strong—>Louisville from Florida)
2) Up and coming coordinator from the latest instahot AQ school (Tedford—>Cal from Oregon)
3) Established BCS bowl coach (Saban, Stoops, Meyer…better be prepared for the highest salary evair).
4) Up and coming HC from a non-AQ School (Boise St, or TCU’s HC)
5) NFL coordinator/HC with little collegiate experience.
I think that covers it. Let’s toss out 3) and 5) as either they won’t happen or shouldn’t happen here at Cal. Which is the best option remaining and are we sure this would be better than Tedford?
At this point in time, I’m willing to say “no.” However, we’re approaching the proverbial crossroads.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I think 1) is the best situation to look for. The candidate would be trained in the “winning ways” of CFB. This means he knows the recruiting pitches, has criticical ties in recruiting circles, knows what to ask from the administration, knows other highly respected coaches, and knows how to sell the program. The candidate would have likely taken on a larger managerial role at Traditional Powerhouse U than similar situations at 2) or 4), because Traditional Powerhouse U’s HC was off beinig the figurehead of the program. This makes him better at managing and running a program, not just bringing in some hot shot offense/defense that the candidate can’t even control in his HC gig anyways.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I would want #4. You want someone who is already doing the job well. Assuming CAL’s resources are superior to the non-AQ school, then the coaches ability should reap greater rewards. (see Harbaugh). Actually, it doesn’t have to be a non-AQ school either. We could poach someone from a reasonable school although that someone doesn’t come to mind right now (June Jones?? more of a rebuilder I guess). I wouldn’t even mind looking to non-FBS schools, checking to see if multiple championship coaches at that level can make the jump.
I still like Tedford
I like what he’s done for the program, I like how he’s gotten facilities finally started for our school, and I really like the way he focuses on academics and teaches our players to “win with class” and to, well… be men, rather than simply just football players. Honestly, in some ways, Tedford has been more than “just” a football coach and as a Cal alum, I consider that a pretty big deal. That said, I think it’s perfectly fair to question his coaching ability. Certainly some of our losses this season were head-scratching, particularly the WAY we lost them.
I honestly think Tedford’s most major flaw might be his loyalty. At this point, I think it’s getting pretty clear that Alamar is going to have to go. I can’t think of a single redeeming thing about the way our special teams played this year and it’s getting bad enough that I can usually “predict” what will happen. When we were up 14-0 I turned to my friend and facetiously said “This is the worse part our of program, they’re gonna make a huge gain on us” and sure enough Utah returned the ball to our own 35. I mean, that’s just ridiculous. It’s ridiculous that we can all jokingly predict what will happen on special teams and then watch it actually happen more often than not. I’m not sure why Tedford is so loyal to his coaches but that’s probably just who he inherently is. I hope that he seriously evaluates his assistant coaches during the offseason. Tedford’s shown an ability to make changes before, so I have SOME hope.
Probably the other thing that has hurt our team really bad this year has been execution. False starts. Dropped calls. Missed tackles. I actually feel that our SCHEMES are fine (except for special teams, something is really wrong there) but our players need to practice technique more. Gregory, for all the grief he’s gotten, has actually been able to field decent defenses in the past but I feel that his defensive scheme is heavily dependent on talent and getting good LBs. I was actually fine with Ludwig’s calls for most of this season. Riley’s errant throws and receivers dropping catchable throws might have made the playcalling look worse than it actually is but there were definitely some 3rd down conversions that “should” have been converted if our WRs could actually hold on to some balls or if Riley wasn’t over/underthrowing. I’m not sure who gets the blame for execution/technique problems, but that is something we need to get fixed next year.
So I’m actually not sure where I was going with this post, but I think the main thing is that Tedford probably needs to work more on micromanaging and telling his assistant coaches to emphasize fundamentals over complex schemes first (or start hiring assistant coaches who will). I’m no football expert though.
by Mister Pie on Dec 24, 2009 8:07 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I actually feel that our SCHEMES are fine (except for special teams, something is really wrong there) but our players need to practice technique more.
Absolutely. To the extent that a player fails to execute technique properly, it’s the player’s fault. To the extent that a coach should make technique as teachable as possible, it’s the coach’s fault. There were plenty of missed tackles yesterday that could’ve been tackles for losses; this means the schemes are ok, but the technique is lacking.
I guess after the discussion my feeling is that Tedford is still a great coach. Not flawless by any means, but still great. This program has been built by Tedford into a successful, nationally recognized program in terms of players and coaches even with old, decrepit facilities. Big-picture, given his history of raising the program from nothing, Tedford deserves at least 4 more years AFTER the completion of the SAHPC and stadium renovations.
Also, as some contributors have pointed out, we as Cal fans need to rethink our expectation levels. We aren’t a school where everything revolves around football. We should not expect to have the same level of success, year in and year out, as a school were football can be made the focus rather than academics. Cal is one of the finest universities in the world, and I can tell you Coach Tedford takes that academic side of things VERY seriously, and doesn’t simply let players slide by. Recruits who want to be treated like royalty and rushed straight to the NFL aren’t likely to embrace that approach. Frankly, I’d rather be affiliated as a fan with a pretty good program at a stellar academic institution than a national championship level program at a crappy school.
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Frankly, I’d rather be affiliated as a fan with a pretty good program at a stellar academic institution than a national championship level program at a crappy school
+1
by HolmoePhobe on Dec 24, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
We should not lower our expectations. Academics and football success are not mutually exclusive. Our players practice just as much as any other school. Even if they have to work a little harder in the classroom, I’m sure the players value the prestige of their degree.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Dec 24, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Riley vs. Longshore & Tedford
In 2007 the QB/Coach blame was probably 80/20 in favor of Longshore. He got the majority of the blame. This year the QB/Coach blame was about 20/80 in favor of Tedford.
Why were people quicker to blame Longshore than Riley? In my humble opinion, I think most of the blame for the offense should rest on Riley’s shoulders. Some of the throws (especially the overthrows) make me want to bang my head against a wall. As we saw last night, whenever he does make a good throw, a receiver can’t hang on.
I know fans are disappointed for the consecutive frustrating seasons—but I’m with the school of thought that its the players execution rather than Tedford.
Because 1 – ABC put up the damning TD/INT ratio 4th qtr stat for Nate which allowed the casual fans who don’t really understand that INTs aren’t always a QBs fault the ability to regurgitate an ill-researched stat. 2 – Fans actually thought/still think that the Riley who put up absolutely sick numbers vs AFA is going to show up. Each game that version of Riley doesn’t show up, people think JT has done something to fuck Riley over.
As I wrote in my Ranking the Coaches post, the Bears are proving it’s possible to win eight or nine games a year and still have something systemically wrong with your program.
I’m not exactly sure what the problem is, but it’s easy to spot: Look at the size of the losses in ‘09, at the lack of mettle in big games the past few years, at the time-tested inability to meet expectations (2009 preseason ranking: 12).
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
That argument is crap. The size of the 09 losses is disturbing, certainly, but they don’t necessarily point to something “systematically wrong” with the program over multiple years. And what “lack of mettle in big games the past few years?” There’s no evidence provided to substantiate that claim.
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Regarding the “lack of mettle” comment, I suppose it depends on one’s definition of “big games.” I see that term as meaning one of either two things – games Cal played against ranked opponents (i.e., USC), or games that Cal played against any team when there was something big at stake (i.e., our loss to Arizona in ’06 that put us out of the Rose Bowl).
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I have a sneaking suspicion Wilner is using ‘mettle’ as proxy for ‘victory.’ Ignoring that we had plenty of ‘mettle’ against Stanford this year, in the last few years I think we’ve shown up to play in the Big Games. In fact, in 2007 I think we played a lot better against USC than in the other games late in the season.
The only reason I would agree with the “systematically wrong” argument is Cal’s pattern of losses – it’s not like we consistently beat the weaker teams and lose to the few strongest on our schedule. It’s more like we struggle to win games consistently, and as soon as we win a few in a row/break into the top 25 we start losing again.
by HolmoePhobe on Dec 24, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I thing I get it
Some answers from my 53 year experience with “The Loveable Losers”;
1) Cal is a difficult school academically. Would you rather be at Alabama, where the degree is unimpressive but the football is a way of life?
NO! I would like to be some of the Mountain West teams that do so much more with so much less talent.
2) We have terrible facilities. Seriously an embarrassment.
BOO HOO!! What position do these faclities play? You think the players we do recruit aren’t better quality talent than Boise State gets? And Boise State has a BLUE FOOTBALL FIELD!! WHOO HOO!
3) Cal football has a history of losing, and now we don’t…so we complain?!
MAYBE because no team in the pack 10 has been SO DOWN for so many years? MAYBE because we actually DO have more raw talent than many teams in the Pac 10?
4) Tedford is a nationally recognized coach, I think above and beyond all the other Pac-10 coaches—besides Petey, and everyone hates him.
THEN why is he rated a low FIFTH in pac 10 coaches? WHY has Cal looked TOTALLY UNPREPARED in every one of their losses this year and even a few of their wins?
Anyway, I just don’t get it.
Maybe you should read, and read again, the post by the UTE fan who showed how similar their problems were to ours. You think the University of Utah get’s better talent than UC Berkely? Maybe they DO MORE WITH THE TALENT THEY DO GET?
Talent & Quality
I don’t really know that much about recruiting. I know USC gets more “talent” than we do. But just how far ahead are we in terms of talent over the MWC? I really don’t know. Is that even measurable? And I don’t think it’s all about star ratings and such, since Cal has been able to recruit awesome players who were given a low rating or even no rating at their position.
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1) I don’t think any of the MWC are academic juggernauts.
2) Facilities can make a big impression on recruits, look at what Chris Martin said just last week.
3) Makes it sound like we lost the Pac-10. We were in the middle of the pack, and no way are we “So down for so many years.” We had ten win seasons in 2004 and 2006—three years ago! It sounds like someone is grumpy they don’t have the Rose Bowl.
4) I meant national recognition, like people know who he is, and the media talk about him. Also, it seems like he has a lot of respect from other elite coaches.
If Cal is so great at getting talent without Tedford, why were we so bad from 1980-2001? I’d rather not go back to those doldrums, thank you very much.
Hey, I just thought of something...
Last year, Alabama got manhandled by Utah in a bowl game… .This year, they’re in the national championship game. Now, what happened to us this year…?
I think this means, next year we are going to compete for the national championship! AND have a Heisman winner! Tedford is crazy like a fox for losing the Poinsettia Bowl!
by atomsareenough on Dec 24, 2009 9:29 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Rec’d
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by rollonubears on Dec 24, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Not to mention TCU and Boise played in this game last year
and are now in a BCS game. We have hope!
Bee tee dubs
Should I post a DBD? Are enough people around today?
Try it out
Doesn’t seem like there’ll be much discussion that’ll be positive today though, for obvious reasons.
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You are leaving me hanging.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
by rollonubears on Dec 24, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Ok it’s not done but I posted it. I’ll update it as I go along.
by HolmoePhobe on Dec 24, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I am a firmly entrenched Tedford supporter. But even I am starting to get a bit fidgety. We were embarrassed in 4 games this year. I am fine with a certain amount of losing, but I am not fine with some of the pitiful lack of pride this team displayed. My face can only take so many hits from my palm before I get restless. I no longer view him as a deity. I want things to start happening with the program (and it looks like they will, with this current class and the SAHPC). This trend of getting our ass handed to us needs to stop immediately. It will be much harder to support Tedford if we get a repeat of this year.
I want Tedford to succeed more than anyone. He deserves 3 more years at the very least, but some things need to change around him.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
Great comments
Thanks to everyone for your calm, rational comments. Very interesting to read, and I’m proud that we have a community that can discuss explosive issues (“Is Jeff Tedford Still a Good Coach?”) without devolving into basically any other site on the internets.
Go Bears.
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I wonder how DJax would have contributed to this thread.
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by rollonubears on Dec 24, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
FIRE ZOMBIE CBKWIT
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 24, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
I hate what America is BECOMING
“There’s a war on Christmas, and our fascist socialist president is leading us to a totalitarian state with his nazi health plan…”
Merry Christmas!
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Tedford is the worst awesome head coach ever
One game we love him. Next game we hate him. I’m on the roller coaster, too. Success spoils us — we want more of it. But without Tedford, we wouldn’t have had any of the success we’ve enjoyed these last several years. Going to games has become can’t-miss excitement. More often than not, we’re treated to victories and Memorial Stadium rocks like it hasn’t in generations.
Tedford has made his share of human errors. I haven’t seen the perfect head coach yet. He doesn’t get as much out of his players as Mike Riley does up in Corvallis. That guy has his kids over-achieving every year. But Tedford does out-recruit everyone except Pete Carroll, and that’s no mean feat with Cal’s high academic standards, poor facilities, and lack of football tradition. He’s found the diamonds in the rough and developed them into top players. A few years on, aren’t we all glad to have gotten our No. 4 at tailback and not USC’s? And Tedford has kept Cal in the national conversation going on a decade.
We ought to give the guy a 10-year contract so no one is tempted to fire Tedford anytime soon.
The only conversation going on nationwide on Cal is...
That they are overrated and soft. Ask any fan outside of the pac 10 and that’s what you will hear. It’s the reason that in the last 3 years Cal has went from the penthouse and to the outhouse within weeks. what #6th ranked team takes a loss like 42-3? Nationally that makes this program look like a joke. Dunno if that is the conversation we want happening around this program.
Sometimes it seems like Tedford is really resistent to try any sort of changes
He rarely fires any coaches, even ones that probably deserve to be let go.
I believe Tedford, as the HC should call in his entire defense, especially the seniors and ask them about their defensive schemes.
I just can’t get the picture of Cal rushing three out of my head. People complain that the defense is on the field too much, thus getting tired because our offense couldn’t sustain any drives. Well it works both ways, our defense is allowed to stop the other teams offense after three plays and get off the field. The defense could help themselves get off the field.
Why doesn’t Gregory attempt more DB blitzes? Send Cattouse of Thompson off the edge.
We lost last nights game and Washington due to coaching, not talent. We can get the biggest and best facilities in the land but those facilities won’t coach these kids up. Recruiting certainly helps but at the end of the day the HC and his coaching staff has to maximize that talent and improve it. I saw very little improvement from any of our players throughout the year, in fact a case could be made that some even regressed (Tepper, Riley, Jones, the entire secondary, Kendricks) and if they haven’t regressed then they have hit their talent ceiling and this is the best we can expect from these players over the next two years.
I wasn’t watching him that closely, but my impression was that Kendricks improved a bit over the course of the season…
by atomsareenough on Dec 24, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
if anything
this is on your defense and its coordinators. Think of what Cal was like before Tedford and reevaluate this idea of “good coach” “bad coach”. Oregon fans like cal fans get in this frenzy after an under impressive season because we fear the idea of reverting back to the bad years.. and we’ve had many. But its important to realize you are a top tier pac ten team now and you have been. Your team had troubles on defense all year and quarterback inconsistency. Recruit and retool and the bears will be a threat to win 8-10 games every year. cheers to you bears fan and a merry christmas eve from Oregon, go pac ten!
I vote excellent...
just on the basis of comparing him to his predecessor’s.
I don’t think we can accurately judge him until he gets the recruiting boost from the new facilities. We need these facilities to put us on an equal level with U$C, Oregon, and dare I say Stanfurd as they all have recently pumped money into their facilities.
I think he is doing the best with the talent. Rodgers, Jackson and Best were coups for recruiting….but we can’t convince more 5 star talent to come when we have an aging high school locker room.
Maybe these two changes can be made in the meantime-Tedford takes over play calling duties. We get new special teams coach and maybe think about changes on D.
It’s obvious changers are needed. What they should be isn’t my job, but Tedford is not going anywhere. 1, he’s too expensive to buy out. 2, he’s earned the right to coach a year or two with the SAHPC finished.
That said, some sort of shake up is needed. I keep Ludwig, just for the sake of seeing what happens if Cal actually has the same O-coordinator two years in a row. Other than Lupoi/Gould, all the assistants are fair game. As is every starter. If the schemes are too complex for QB’s to figure out, then keep it simple. If the defense is too busy thinking about where they should be, keep it simple so their only thought is get to the ball and make a play. There’s good talent on the field, let them use it.
Cal-lapse? Is that supposed to be clever?
Why would a site, dedicated to all things CAL, decide to propagate a highly derogatory term, so that it sounds like it’s something uniquely CAL when it fact it’s something that happen PLENTY of other teams when they lose their QB – or did you not notice Oregon that year? It’s pernicious, it’s petty and it devalues the weight of your opinion. I stopped reading at that point and just came down here to post.
You seem like a really fun person.
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 25, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It can be enjoyable.
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by rollonubears on Dec 26, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
Once Again
1) I don’t think any of the MWC are academic juggernauts.
So, you DO believe that the MWC gets better quality athletes?
2) Facilities can make a big impression on recruits, look at what Chris Martin said just last week.
I can see that you DON’T believe that Cal recruits as much talent as the MWC. I get it. I don’t agree with it, I don’t believe anyone else here agrees with it, but you’ve made yourself clear.
3) Makes it sound like we lost the Pac-10. We were in the middle of the pack, and no way are we "So down for so many years." We had ten win seasons in 2004 and 2006—three years ago! It sounds like someone is grumpy they don’t have the Rose Bowl.
The Cal Bear football team is NOT on the bottom of the pile nor has it been since Tedford came.When, though, has it been on the TOP of the pile?
4) I meant national recognition, like people know who he is, and the media talk about him. Also, it seems like he has a lot of respect from other elite coaches.
How many win does that “respect” generate every season? That, “talk” about him? Does it also include his lack of passion? Passion that seems to help OTHER coaches get more performace out of lesser players?
If Cal is so great at getting talent without Tedford, why were we so bad from 1980-2001? I’d rather not go back to those doldrums, thank you very much.
Once again, you’ve made your position clear. Cal does not get as good a talent as the rest of the Pac10 or even the MWC. That is the ONLY WAY you can avoid faulting the coaching that produced FOUR GAMES that Cal should have been able to win but didn’t seem to be motivated enough to give their best effort. You might be satisfied with a “middle of the pack” team that “shows up for most games, just not all”. I am not.
Cal definitely gets higher ranked recruits than Utah and the MWC. That is indisputable, and I think you misunderstand…I am trying to figure out why Utah, Oregon State, etc are able to do more with their recruits. You blame the coaches entirely, and I agree somewhat, they deserve some of the blame.
But I think as much to blame for our recruits underperformace are Cal’s demanding academics and terrible facilities. You can disagree with that assessment if you want, but I think they should be blamed too. I also think the academics at Cal, the local community, and our facilities have always exerted a downward pressure on Cal’s football performace (in the doldrums of 1980-2001—not just the Holmoe years).
(There is also the additional problem that recruits’ star rankings go up when big schools show interest in them. Does Cal recruiting someone increase their ranking? But higher profile doesn’t always mean the recruit has more talent and will do better in college. This is one of the reasons I don’t follow recruiting very much.)






















