California at Kansas Hoops Open Thread
by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 5:23 PM PST
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PrintFor those watching the Vegas Bowl, scroll down or click here to discuss. CAL HOOPS ONLY ON THIS THREAD.
TV: ESPN2, online at ESPN360. Stream links will be posted in the comments before tipoff.
Radio: 1550 AM KFRC
Kansas Blog: Rock Chalk Talk (check out both of the Q&As, ours and theirs!); they've done a great job breaking down the game and you should definitely click over and peruse!
Announcers: Brent Musburger, Bob Knight
Time: 9 PM EST/6 PM PST
Injury report: DJ Seeley will miss the game due to a death in the family.
SoCal Oski posted this earlier, but please people, check out this awesome Randle profile by Andy Katz, which displays his competitive spirit on and off the court.
When he was older, he got to the park but wouldn't get picked, as his mother said. That stigma of being the short guy stuck with him when he was at high school and then into his early career at Cal, where his scoring average went from 6.5 to 11.8 points per game in his first two seasons under then-coach Ben Braun.
"I don't know why people make such a big deal out of height," Randle said. "I'm playing against guys who are 6-5 and up and I'm still able to do things that I want to do. That's life. I'm all about proving people wrong, and that's Jerome Randle. Jerome Randle is about proving people wrong. I love it. It really motivates me to prove everyone wrong that doubts me, that don't think I can play at this level or the next level."
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GOOOO BEAARS!!!!!!
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
GOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOO
BEEEEEEEAAA
RRRRRRRRRS
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
GUUauauauayaUoooaoooooOOOoooooo BEAAWKUARURWRWURWERAAERRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
You’ve won this round.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Ugggh
This Sparty-Texas game they’re calling a foul on every play, the ball keeps on getting knocked out of bounds…probably doesn’t end for another 20 minutes.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 5:52 PM PST reply actions
I say we stay competitive if we don't turn the ball over and move around on offense. Also
if we hold Kansas to mostly one shot possessions we shouldn’t get killed.
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
Go crazy, be physical, don't be intimidated. Easier said than done.
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
5 minutes left in this game...
We’re going to miss the first 6-8 minutes. Goddamnit, hopefully 360 will start up the game.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions
Beavs looking flat, come on Pac-10!!!
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Man, Texas is looking good.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions
360's got it up and going.
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
ESPN360 link
http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/player?gameId=293562305&sportCode=&league=NCAAM
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions
360 playing awesome pump-it-up music, I'm just gettin juiced listening to it
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
::flying 360 chest bump to greenbean::
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
it’s on now
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
uh oh
Bob Knight said we looked like ‘a funeral’ during warm ups…
This can only mean SUCCESS
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aggressive Max...
didn’t need to foul there. you kept him far away
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And people blowing this Kansas team out of proportion
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Way too early to judge anything as being good or bad
Taking quick shots…we need to slow it down.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 6:21 PM PST reply actions
Against a team like Kansas, you HAVE to force the action
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 22, 2009 6:28 PM PST reply actions
Slowwww down….
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 6:30 PM PST reply actions
Captain Obvious: Bob Knight says Cal missed Theo.
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 22, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Still. Too. Early.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
?
Not at all…
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
okay, I'm late to the party
but, yes, we should have been down 20…that was my point spread – ended up being only 15. Gee, we must be pretty good, eh?
lol Oregon State
pretty much sealing the deal that the Pac-10 will faceplant in bowl games… unless they can get something going in 2nd half
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SLOW DOWN
ARRRRGGH THEY’RE KILLING ME. 10 second shots…!!!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 6:42 PM PST reply actions
This officiating is god awful
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
OH ZHANG
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These refs are soooo bad
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REACH
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Where's the fucking reach in foul?
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Nice job ESPN
show the highlight so we can’t see the bucket
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Amoke is #21 right?
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Nice fronting of the [pst
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Terrible ones
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Come on…if people gripe about NBA refs all the time, you think college refs are going to be any better?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
I gripe about refs in general
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lol
so true. I don’t watch the NBA
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Come on idiots...woops, I mean refs
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Randle is shooting off-balance every time
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Boykin has 12 rebounds already
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THEO
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he hit 3 quick release shots from deep, but then make silly ass drives to the bucket that results in nothing when there are teams with trees, and other times he just disappears. Most overhyped player in recent memory. Disappointing is the word.
But, wow, those quick release bombs that swish are remarkable, aren’t they?
Come on refs
they are hurting us…he has right to that position
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These refs love the home crowd
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Let's just finish this half strong
I’d be fine if we were tied at half
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Timeout?
with 37 seconds left?
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FT advantage for KU is 12-7
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We've made 4, they've made 9
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Knock these down
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Thank you!
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nickle sounds like ralph barbieri
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Dec 22, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
let’s be fair here. sometimes, he does. sometimes, he knocks down 16 in a row (a la FSU last year)
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Let's close in the 2nd half
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I feel like we should be up. Kansas couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn for a few stretches there.
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Then again, the refs got there back
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Kansas is overrated. Even if we win I wouldn’t say we’re that good. Tournament team sure, but we’re not talking final 4 here.
WIth that said I really like the attitude/heart and just the character of this team. Good group of guys.
Kansas is NOT overrated. You can’t make a judgment from one half.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Why do I have this overpowering urge to take off my socks and shove them down Bobby Knight’s throat?
November 20, 1982 - a date that will live in famy.
I don’t know, but that sounds sexy.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
I like Knight as a commentator. Maybe not so much as a coach.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Dec 22, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Interestingly, Kansas and Cal play about the same pace, according to Pomeroy
Makes sense why we’re both going at each other about the same.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 7:05 PM PST reply actions
That was some bullshit officiating
Randle will heat up in the 2nd half and we’ll take this one.. Ungh!
Who else is watching espn360?
White American ball players think the NBA is racist? hahahahha
Say what?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
they're saying that NBA execs dont take a chance on them bc they're white..
by mindleftnumb on Dec 22, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
Eric Vierniesel needs to shut his trap
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
Not exactly a secret – last time you played ball and were picking teams, who got picked first, the black guy, or the white guy? The superior athlete is known. Just watch the Olympics – like say, the 100, 200, 400 meter finals.
Those white guys who made those statements obviously have a chip on their shoulder. Frustrated at reality and trying not to be part of the statistics. They don’t have to be. Just be 1 good player that dispels all else is all they should worry about. Larry Bird certainly rose above that. So did Jackie Robinson.
The Indiana Pacers certainly aren’t racist.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
OH MY GOD
OREGON STATE FAKE PUNT…. EASY FIRST DOWN…. then he trips
nvm Illegal Motion
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sooo OSU loses to mid tier MWC team, means Cal is just a mid tier MWC caliber team?
Or BYU ironically feels just at home in Vegas.
or it’s completely idiotic to make sweeping judgments based on one game.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Oh thank God the game is back
Watching that Oregon State game was just sick.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
These Morris twins
will be having nightmares with Boykin as their daddy.
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yup
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
scratch that
2
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
THAT’S three on Al-bitch
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Bob says a turnover is the last thing you want.
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 22, 2009 7:22 PM PST reply actions
Is anyone watching on tv instead of espn360? There seems to be a huge delay in excitement, comes in bunches.
watching on espn2 here
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
missed the beginning of this half
what’s been going on?
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
Something crazy happened w/ PC getting that foul, but for some reason montgomery liked it. I gues that’s a good thing.
We can weather this storm, particularly since we hit the three well.
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 22, 2009 7:30 PM PST reply actions
Need a Max Block Party!
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Man, Theo’s playing the 4? No wonder we’re getting killed down there.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 7:31 PM PST reply actions
maybe gettin tired
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
better not be. there’s a gang load of half left.
by mindleftnumb on Dec 22, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
put some fresh reserves in, amoke and ?
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Zhang Zhang Zhang
Zhang Zhang Zhang
ZHANG yo bodyyyyyyy
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
don’t keep him out long. get his mind in the right place and get his shot back
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
This is where a senior team is great. The boys understand how to win a game like this.
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 22, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions
you guys don’t know how…err…excited I get when Randle drains a 30 foot three. EVERY POSSESSION PLZ
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Off topic, but I love the crawler blurb about Favre and Childress. Like, what did you expect, Chilly?
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
wtf…. they call THAT GOALTENDING?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? and not the one that hit off the glass?!?!?1?
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if they might not be so fond of those Chinamen…
by atomsareenough on Dec 22, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
What has to happen for Randle to get a foul call immediately?
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 22, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions
He’s been doing that all game long. Well, at the beginning of the game when Max was in for like half a second anyway.
by atomsareenough on Dec 22, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
The refs looked around like they were looking for an excuse to give it to kansas
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 22, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Kansas is a better team, no doubt.
Why are the refs helping them?
We held up as long as we could. Ran out of gas.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 7:58 PM PST reply actions
game aint over yet. let’s make it interesting.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
my tv cut out… what happened there?
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
This is one of those…the score is not indicative of the game…games.
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 22, 2009 8:04 PM PST reply actions
we don't play like a team at times
we play more individualistically than we should even though we got some really good scorers but if we were a little more disciplined we would be taking better shots
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
I think this one’s on randle. He tried to do too much instead of managing the game and taking what they were giving us.
Boykin’s probably the only reason this wasn’t a blowout early. His hustle man I love it.
Good showing by the bears. No moral victories though so we better start winning our games from here on out.
Did a producer tell Brett to fucking call the game?
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 22, 2009 8:05 PM PST reply actions
To be fair, he’s probably drunk off his ass.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 22, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever happens the rest of the game, the Bears showed me what I needed to see tonight.
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I got your Harbaugh right here, Kansas. ::points to groin::
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 22, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sure whatever Monty just said to Bill Self during their handshake was classy and charming.
by atomsareenough on Dec 22, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
we can do it!!!!!!!!!!
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
Best effort of the young season
Cal played great tonight until late. We were able to avoid having Boykin in foul trouble which was big (by the way, I would argue that the Syracuse blowout only happened after Boykin head to the bench with 2 quick fouls…in addition to us missing Theo).
The lack of depth is probably going to cost us a games here and there that we should have won, but this game should be a big confidence builder. Even with the Pac-10 being weak this year, a Pac-10 title would still be quite special. The game tonight restored my faith that this is a very plausible goal.
by LEastCoastBears on Dec 22, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions
i know that
Seeley was unable to make the trip, but did either Knezevic or Brandon Smith? I don’t remember even seeing them play.
Thoroughbred
You were so amped at the start. Swearing, and having confidence that we could do it. I was thinking you were maybe drinking a little…
Sorry I couldn’t be around during the live chat (above) but I have made my notes accordingly.
In summary, very surprising game for me. Kansas should have busted balls earlier by really focusing harder on that interior advantage, like they did in the 2nd. I guess Self was letting them work up a sweat and find a comfortable groove first. Otherwise, you get too tactical (by dumping it down low too much too soon) and you’re athletes’ shots won’t fall at the end when you need them to. But still, they found a way to get Theo isolated defensively in the post at the end, and that was what I expected, and was the ballgame at that point.
Bears did a great job by being able to stay close for as long as they did, but it was just too much for us, as we all knew. And yet, I had fun coming in and reading your enthusiastic and positive comments, TB.
I think we can all have fun with this team from here on out. We won’t be playing the caliber of Ohio St., Syracuse, or Kansas the rest of the way (until the end) and everything will be on par.
Cheers.
Final thoughts:
1) Boykin is team MVP. Without him we are dead. Without Randle, we wouldn’t be nearly as good. Without Boykin, we are dead on the inside. Think about it. He is very quietly becoming the Most Valuable Player. Maybe not the MVP of the team, but definitely the “Most Valuable”, no?
2) PC is the most over-rated. He’s become very streaky! More than I can recall.
3) Randle was too amped. The chip he had on his shoulder meant he was off his game a bit tonight, trying to prove to Collins he wasn’t the younger sibling (but he was).
4) Oh what we wouldn’t do to have Ryan Anderson, Jordan Wilkes, or even Tyler Harrison – all would have, could have been eligible playing members of this team, if not for NBA stardom, moving on in life after 4 yr graduation, and career ending surgery. Keep any one of those scholarships and make Smith a walk-on again as was initially agreed upon.
Agree with most of these points. However, Christopher has always been streaky – and tonight he was really good streaky. Towards the end of the first half he was on fire, and then Kansas adjusted and really hounded him from then on.
by Tedfordisgod on Dec 23, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
good points, particularly about randle, who was out of control at certain times.
a small silver lining on the big man issue, though: was there ever a better year for the conference to lose its top five rebounders (Brockman, Taj Gibson, Baynes, Pendergraph, and Hill)?
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