Is There Something Wrong With Cal Football?
Before we turn our attention to Utah next Wednesday (our pregame coverage starts a little earlier, look for it to start sometime this weekend!), I have a confession to make: I don't mind Jon Wilner. At the very least, I don't openly despise him the way many Cal fans (including those on this site) do. He's not the greatest sports columnist (blogger? journalist? What is he now?) ever, but he's terse enough to make his points and get you talking about what he writes. A bit of a rabble-rouser, but often he's far more practical than most of the columnists you see writing pablum.
So obviously seeing a quote like this about Cal (where he ranked Tedford 7th on the Pac-10 coaching scale) got me thinking...
Watching this team year after year, I’m starting to think that it’s possible to consistently win eight or nine games while having something systemically wrong with your program.
Now at first, I thought that this was hyperbole. After a little bit of afterthought though...
Cal was a few bad breaks away from being 5-7 or 4-8 this year. And they were a few good breaks away from being...well, 8-4. It was like the 2007 season in reverse--fortune smiled for us in our close wins and broke us apart in everything else. But we can't say this season didn't turn our stomachs plenty and made us a little uneasier about the future of Tedford's reign.
Discuss this in the comments. Is there something systematically wrong with our football program? Are we par for the course? Or are we overachieving given we've got? Vote and comment.
After the jump, let's explore some of the core causes for the maddening inconsistency of our team.
The conservatism of the coaching staff: We seem to have this discussion every year, every offseason (and we'll probably have it again)--does Tedford's conservatism filter to the team in crucial situations (And by conservatism I don't mean he takes out the King James Bible and start knocking Beau Sweeney on his noggin). Do his teams play not to lose instead of playing to win?
Now the point that you could argue is no stretch of conservatism could have saved the Bears from their faceplants, there are certain aspects that have been debated ad nauseum. RickySanchez wrote this after the Big Game victory, and I imagine this is what most Tedford-detractors gripe about...
I have never been angrier after a Big Game victory. The Bears’ players were gutsy, showed heart, and gave everything they had in that game. And the coaching staff just about cost them the game:
Tedford’s decision not to go for it on 4th and less than 1 to keep Stanford’s offense off the field (Predictably results in Stanford TD in less than 2 minutes)
Tedford’s decision to have Riley take a knee on third down on the Bears final drive, rather than attempting to sustain the drive and run out clock OR ice the game with a TD
Gregory’s decision to rush only 3 and drop into the usual zone on Stanford’s second to last drive, resulting in the long completion to Owusu.
These decisions are emblematic of why Cal can’t beat teams like Oregon St., Oregon, and U$C. This coaching conservatism is why Tedford will NEVER take the Bears to the Rose Bowl while the likes of Chip Kelly, Mike Riley, and Pete Carroll are around. All the pieces were there this year, and Cal missed yet another opportunity to take the next step. Until Tedford and Gregory start coaching to win (rather than coaching not to lose), this will be our lot in life.
Bear Will Not Quit examined this issue too. (HT KikiRevenge for finding it!)
A recurring theme, with the exception of 2008 and certain times in 2006, is that Cal lacks the proper mindset defensively. They go into games expecting to shut down the run, and they do it, because they believe in it. But they go into games ready to concede certain pass plays, and it shows. Gregory’s mantra is stop the run and the big play and give up the dink and dunk. That is telling your players something remarkable: “Let certain plays succeed.” As a defense, that should be anathema.
This puts tremendous pressure on the offense (which as I said annually lacks the QB to deal with that pressure). Defensive thinking has to be religion, not talk. It has to be a core belief that everything will be contested. Stopping the pass has to be given equal dignity to stopping the run.
And if it is, two things will happen. (1) You will force yourself to recruit better athletes on defense who can execute that objective. (2) Your game plan, practice, and play will reflect it
Tedford still struggling with the coaching side? Although some of us felt we were getting a little too much hype this year (Hydro especially, and he was proven right), some of the performances have been filled with terrible everything. dmo580 puts it succinctly:
I'm beginning to feel like coaching from Tedford is not as good as I thought.
I think he hasn’t been able to get us FOCUSED on the game especially after thriller victories or whatever. Our team seems to lose focus ENTIRELY. Like CGB said before. Our defense, offense, RB, QB, o-line, WRs… all of it collapses simultaneously. It’s not even funny. Ok we had some defense against SC, but other than that teams have been running over us. Is Tedford not getting the team energized and focused on THIS game like it is the only game that matters? Why is it that when we lose, we get completely blown out? I mean SC had some huge losses this year, but they kept it close with Oregon for a bit and with the Furd, AND with Zona and Washington. On the other hand, we just completely collapse or something.
Not very much like a Tedford-coached team. Of course, Hydrotech is quick to point out that this season has been an anomaly, not a trend, so it's not something to worry about. Yet.
I think a lot of coaches have problems getting teams to focus on the next game after winning a thrilling game last week. It seems to be a common problem for all coaches. As seeing that this problem is not unique to Tedford, I personally do not find this as compelling reason to criticize Tedford.
As for getting blown out in the losses, that is concerning, but to Tedford’s credit, this is something new and not a problem that we’ve been having since he’s gotten here.
Recruiting facilities: Our main man Thoroughbred has pointed out over and over that without the SAHPC in place, it'd be folly to expect amazing results.
Tedford is one of the most liked coaches in the Pac-10 by recruits. They always refer to him as a “player’s coach”. What has hurt us is the enduring image of the treesitters fiasco, our Div-II facilities, and the notion that we’ve plateaued as a program. These have all been widely discussed by the other Pac-10 coaches.
What happens is the recruit gets taken in by a visit and gets blitzed by these enthusiastic coaches and commits. In the case of Davis, he came to his senses when he realized what Cal was doing NOW, instead of LATER.
but as soon as our facilities are done, i expect recruiting to be much better. i think that+treesitters held us back much more than any sort of recruiting philosophy or coach we had in the past. in fact, i like evaluating players’ senior tapes more, but that’s just not the state of affairs.
[Whiteside] was blown away in the off-season. I think it will take a lot to sway him away. Even if you hear different things during the season. It’s always going to come down to the wire with Cal’s top targets until we get the facilities.
The successes this week point toward greater things in the distant future, but it isn't hard to believe that in 2010, and probably 2011, we'll be seeing the same old issues going into training camp. Until then, expect Cal football to be marginalized on the regional and national stage, as a man with a $70,000 toilet continues to charm a nation.
Do you agree or disagree that these are problems with Cal footbal? What other flaws or deficiencies have you noticed? Discuss.
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Here are a couple of comments
1. Wilner did not identify the problem. Is he talking about failing to win 10 games (instead of 8 or 9)? Is he talking about not getting to the Rose Bowl or other high profile bowls? Is it failure to knock off a top-ranked team? Trouble winning on the road against good teams? For this year, but not necessarily previous years, failing to show up in some key games? Not giving him enough exclusive interviews? All are possible.
2. I think the key challenge for any coach is to help athletes achieve their potential, and molding individuals into a team. Here for individuals maybe the metric is to see how much players improve, how many players win conference and national honors, how many players take it to the next level. This is hard to measure for somebody not closely involved with the athletes. I can’t tell how much they have improved, but the team seems to do well in gaining honors and sending players to the pros. For teams it is measured in wins and losses and how well performance relates to expectations.
3. All coaches need to address tactics and strategy. This includes developing schemes, drilling execution, game planning, making adjustments in game and in season, and motivation. I fear this is where the Cal football team has underperformed, which is a disappointment given early success with what appeared to me less talent.
4. Coaches need to evaluate and attract talent. It seems like Cal recruits well on talent, but below the top tier. Maybe the new facilities will help. I’d like to see Cal be super selective on athletics, academics, and character. I hope they are emphasizing all three now. (I’m glad it wasn’t too selective when I applied.)
5. At a University, there are some other key objectives. Maybe even more important than some of the generic qualities. These include emphasizing academic performance, helping young men grow into personal maturity, staying on the cutting edge of your field, and dispersing your knowledge tacross the university. I hope this is going on. I like to think it is.
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by Jake88 on Dec 18, 2009 7:04 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Good points, rec'd
Especially #2, 3 and 5. Really a good way at balancing the culture of football with the standards our athletes should meet at Cal.
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I would have thought the fact that this team found a way to win close games, especially close games on the road, would be an encouraging sign…
I suppose not.
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It is very encouraging, but there were some strange-looking plays in each of those close wins. Certainly if a few things had gone wrong on those plays or after those plays had happened, well, we wouldn’t be so encouraged. Thankfully it worked out, but we shouldn’t dismiss that our chances at losing those games were legitimate.
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I personally feel that there is too much focus on the negative from this season (the blowout losses) and viewing them as a sign of regression, while not viewing the positives, which is that we won games that, in the past, we would have lost (especially in 2007, as you pointed out).
Arizona State? Down a point, on the road, with very little time left on the clock? In the past, the clock would have run out, the QB would have thrown a pick, turnover on downs, etc. This time, game-winning field goal.
Stanford? Down on the road by two touchdowns in the first quarter? I really don’t think I could have seen a Cal team in the past win it.
I dunno, but this season has been a wash, personally. If not for the UDub loss, it would have been positive.
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Arizona State? Down a point, on the road, with very little time left on the clock? In the past, the clock would have run out, the QB would have thrown a pick, turnover on downs, etc. This time, game-winning field goal.
The fact that that did happen (Giorgio missing the second-to-late field goal) and we still found a way to win was even more encouraging.
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Every forward-looking model of team strength and win expectancy places far more emphasis on margin of victory and point differential than the ability to win close games, because close games tend to be toss-ups for all teams over the long-run and there’s no evidence that teams can carry that forward.
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by yellow fever on Dec 18, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
Is that only in college ball or does that apply to the NFL as well? Because it seems like certain teams have the ability to win close games (USC, Indianapolis Colts) and certain teams tend to lose the close games (Houston Texans spring to mind).
I’ve heard what you’re talking about from FootballOutsiders, that it’s better to be able to blow out bad teams than to win close games against good teams, but I haven’t looked at all the statistics.
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Well, keep in mind teams that are good (USC, Colts) still have a higher expected winning percentage in close games than worse teams. It’s just that they don’t tend to outperform the expected winning percentage over a long period of time. (At least I think that’s the correct interpretation…)
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Sagarin et al have observed that rankings are better predictors of future play when they include margin of victory than when they exclude it
So, basically, yes. Cal’s Pythagorean W/L percentage for this season is only a hair over 60%. Odds are they should have won just 7 games rather than 8.
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I’m curious to here what the strange plays are, Avi. The Mohamed INT wasn’t fluky (It was a great play by our best defender). The drives to win against ASU weren’t either. The only fluke was the two passes by Foles, but even if he hadn’t done that Arizona didn’t have a chippy FG and Cal would have had time for another drive.
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Big Game: 4th and short call, spotting the ball on 3rd down, helmet-to-helmet by Jordan on Luck on the INT
ASU: Vereen wildcat throw, Josh Hill JUST grabbing the ASU running back on 3rd and short
Arizona: The Foles passes you mentioned.
Anyway, what I’m saying is three of our wins were very close to coin flips. None of our four losses were that way.
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One thing that hasn’t been brought up is the injury luck this year. I actually felt we were pretty lucky compared to years past (Jahvid Best’s injury aside of course) and to other Pac-10 teams this year… just look at $C. Last year’s three OL injuries in three games or so come to mind.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
ASU: Vereen wildcat throw,
Right, the play where Burflict had to play receiver and Miller had to play defensive back while basically everyone was tumbling out of the back of the endzone. With two players woefully out of position in a jump ball situation with a limited amount of in-bounds space, the idea that it was a fluke that the pass wasn’t intercepted is woefully overstating things.
Josh Hill JUST grabbing the ASU running back on 3rd and short
It was just a third down stop. Sure, a game-saving third down stop, but a third down stop nonetheless. Beside that, Nance (or whoever it was) had already nearly been tackled behind the line of scrimmage, if you remember it was surprising that he got as far as he did.
And of course this all ignores the breaks that didn’t go our way in that game. Tucker dropped an on-the-money pass on a streak route that looked to be able to go to the house, Tavecchio missed the first 4th quarter field goal, Tepper (I think it was him) couldn’t protect Riley’s blind side on 3rd down deep in Cal territory and the ASU defender forced a fumble. (Same can be said of the Big Game. Ross and Tucker each failed to reel in an accurately-thrown ball on streak routes in Furd territory, among other things.)
To act like Cal got all the breaks and ASU none in that game is just silly.
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I’d also add Stanfurd’s play call in that instance…or even bringing down Gerhart at the 16 yard line after he broke Mohamed’s tackle…or even giving Stanfurd two minutes (down only 4), the ball via kickoff (read: alamarr!!!!!), and Bob Gregory’s defense.
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Gerhart catching that ball was luck on the Furd’s part, considering the guy has hands of stone and basically no part in the Furd passing game all year.
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I think we got some arrogant thoughts in our head after the first 3 games. There were many questions marks going into the season that seemed to turn into exclamation points by the time Minnesota rolled around. But, unfortunately, it appears that success at the early part of the season had less to do with Cal’s questions being answered and more to do with low quality opponents. So, I think that led to a thought of over achievement.
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by TwistNHook on Dec 18, 2009 8:04 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
after the furd game i was getting fairly excited about our new emphasis on team football, power running and clutch d. i also found myself thinking more about how cool it could be to have tedford here as an icon for many years to come and with good facilities. the washington game was a harsh reality check; they need to show they can bounce back again.
My thoughts on this season...
There is no way this season cannot be considered a disappointment. And I don’t mean because we got up to #6, got overexcited (as we are prone to do) and then faceplanted (as we are prone to do).
We won 9 games last year. Best case scenario, we win 9 games this year, but maybe only 8. So there can be no overall improvement and perhaps one less win.
We returned most of our starters, including virtually all of our skill position players, our entire DL and DB, 1 LB and another who was basically a starter. We had experience returning on the OL although in the end 2 young guys broke through, but that was supposed to be a good thing.
Despite all the returning talent and experience:
- our passing game improved some (statistically Riley was a bit better and Jones was a bright spot)
- our OL regressed (constant pressure on Riley in most games, not much running room in many games)
- our pass defense just completely, utterly failed (losing Ezeff was unexpected, but Hagan? I mean how do you regress so much in one year? Our LBs were just horrible in coverage except for MM)
- out ST was again suspect (opponent starting field position was a major handicap all year and Anger regressed)
- we just totally failed to show up for 4 games (with our talent, there is no reason we should lose 4 games like that if we are prepared mentally, just no reason)
I’m not calling for Tedford’s head; I still have faith. People are saying we are stuck as a “mediocre” program, but I think we are a good, not great, program with upside.
I think the coaching staff did a pretty lousy job of developing players and getting the team ready to play this year. This has me very concerned!
I think Alamar needs to be replaced. I’m not a big Gregory fan but I’m willing to give him a chance. But if he doesn’t have a top 25 D in the next few years with all the talent we are bringing in (Martin, Whiteside, Forbes, etc.) then he needs to go too.
Ok, done venting.
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by OskiMonsta on Dec 18, 2009 8:50 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think one of the key areas of regression came from a pass rush. I know I for one was expecting it not to be such a big deal, but losing Follett really hurt. The 3-4 needs an effective rush LB (or at least multiple lesser LB’s that are good enough that they can be effective with the advantage of not knowing which one is coming), and we just didn’t get much play in terms of rushing the passer from that group. It really hurt the pass D, so I think that was one of the biggest reasons for the regression against the pass.
I think we are a good, not great, program with upside.
I think that pretty much hits the nail on the head…
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Totally agree. No one came close to replacing the Pain Train. I think that is part of the reason we only rushed 3 guys so much this year. Gregory didn’t have confidence that sending a rush LB would get us anything, so he left an extra guy in coverage. Cam Jordan was also a disappointment in my view. I was hoping for a breakout year, but he was about the same as last year.
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Your assesment seems a bit harsh to me. As has been pointed out in various posts, we only looked good at first glance. A deeper analysis revealed out supposed strengths were not so strong especially on defense.
Our passing game did improve. If not as much as we’d have all liked or would have expected that seems to be OUR problem not Riley’s. He DID get better (if only marginally.)
Sure we had plenty of returning starters, but our offensive line did not start in the same spots last year. Guarnero did not start one game as center last year IIRC.
ST- totally agree here. If anything we were worse than last year.
We failed to show up for 4 games. Agreed . This has never happened before and was a step down but do you think it will happen again next year or that it was a one year abberation?
Outside of the four games, I think the coaches DID do a good job of getting our players ready to play and believe they could win. I was at the fUCLA game and knew we were going to win. The UCLA comeback did worry me but I knew we could handle it and we did. That was new and a definite improvement which you totally disregard.
It’s OK to vent, but being realistic about our assesments will help you be a happier Cal fan.
I am in the same boat but have a different view of out success.
Did I think we could go to the Rose Bowl? Check
Was I schocked we lost four games in such an embarrasing manner? Check
Was I appalled at out ST? Check
But I see the fact that we have won as many games as we did last year at this time and can have another 9 win season. In 2001 if you had offered me a coach who could win 7-10 times a season I would have done back flips. Are we perhaps expecting too much from our Bears? Let’s not become Trojan fans who think every year they don’t win the national championship is a bust.
Perhaps a bit harsh, but my whole point is that it WAS realistic to expect that with all the guys we had returning, we should win more games than last year. I guess we’ll just disagree on that. I personally thought we could realistically win 10 games, and we were on track until we barfed at UW.
And as Avinash has pointed out, we were closer to a 7-5 or 6-6 regular season than we were to 9-3. We simply weren’t ready to play in a third of our games this year, and that is a huge red flag for me.
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Let’s not become Trojan fans who think every year they don’t win the national championship is a bust.
…please don’t ever insinuate I’m acting like a Trojan fan …
being realistic about our assesments will help you be a happier Cal fan.…or ever, ever question my happiness as a Cal fan. I am happy about Cal football with a happiness unknown to mankind!
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our entire DL
We didn’t return Rulon Davis, and he would have been our 2nd best Dlineman
our OL regressed
Is that a surprise when we have a new coach and lost two seniors, including perhaps the best center in Cal history?
Other than that I more or less agree
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link between poor play in the trenches (Oline pass & run/front7 pass rush) and poor facilities? I know Cal’s had better lines with poor facilities, but I think these two are somewhat linked. Anyone know what the current and future workout facilities look like?
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I think you’re grasping at straws here. Our facilities are ugly, cramped and scare recruits, but I’m confident they’re just as capable of producing ripped athletes as any other gym.
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Don't you mean, when will Cal win the Pac-10?
Shouldn’t we ask that question first? I don’t think any team has ever jumped from “not winning the conference in 50 years” to “finishing the season #1.”
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I don’t think any team has ever jumped from "not winning the conference in 50 years" to "finishing the season #1."
Um…the 2010 Cal Bears? Duh.
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
Well, in 2004 we were pretty close. I can confidently say that if anyone does it, it will be Cal. (I assume there are no other schools that are in the running.)
by Tedfordisgod on Dec 18, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno. I have to see how the team responds next year with little hype around them and a slightly more favorable schedule. I don’t know if the losses this year were about ‘focus’ more than they were about being outplayed by teams with better execution and talent at certain positions. I never got the feeling that the players weren’t doing their best on that day to try to win the game. Never in a single one of those losses. n the Washington game in particular, I felt they just never figured it out and let their weaknesses show up. I thought the league was very, very balanced in terms of talent this year, so if the team was playing one of its good games and on the better side of luck, they were in a great position to win (when I say luck, this doesn’t just mean referee calls — it can come down to a guy losing his leverage on a key block or something…. sometimes you’re executing perfectly and sometimes not…point is, no team ever goes through a season without rough patches with technique)
I just wanna see how the defense does with some young guys (I expect a number of true and RS frosh will see playing time) and without the bloated rankings to boot. Although I don’t place as much importance on these things, I do feel the team plays better in an underdog role with only certain players relishing the cocky favorite type.
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I agree with T-bred re: facilities and Cal’s ability to take it to the next level. When these are done, the high profile recruits should come rolling in so long as Cal’s not known as the #12 preseason team that ends up 8-4. Additionally, and I think norcalnick pointed this out in my fanpost, $ for better assitants/retaining assistants will be freed up with the completion of said facilities. Thus, we’ll have better players and better coaches. The difference in salary between Cal’s HC and all assistant coaches is one of the highest in the nation. 3-5 loss seasons should be expected until this happens.
I wholeheartedly agree with BwF observations of the defense and the play not to lose mentality. This is football, and I want the crazy sumsabitches on my team even if that means they get beat for the 99 yard pass play once in awhile. Run the ball up the middle instead of centering it. Go for it on 4th and inches. Sure, you’ll get burned once in awhile…but I think you’ll end up with better results in the end. I should note that Vereen did try that crazy HB pass play out of the Wild Grizzly at the end of the ASU game – but I think that was borderline stupid. Too aggressive.
The Bay Area needs to care more. They love a winner. The A’s drew VERY well when they had winning teams. I say this because I believe this will lead to more money going into the program (sellouts, higher ticket prices), a general crazy college football atmosphere (helps recruiting and motivation/pride of the players), and accountability for the program. It would be helpful if there was a crystal clear plan on how the Jones’ (family of four) could go check out a Cal game on a particular Saturday in the fall (how to get there, where to park, where to buy tickets, etc). It shouldn’t be a treasure hunt. Bay Area folks have enough going on to make a weekend football game an adventure. On a related note, it feels as if the media coverage is “meh” regarding the Cal Bears with respect to the NFL. I’m not sure if it’s because the Bay Area is an NFL area, if YOkanes et al. are middle of the pack kind of reporters, or if the program restricts access. Does KGO have a Jeff Tedford show once a week during the morning commute? Could we have a an open scrimmage or two at PacBell Park to bring in more peninsula interest? I don’t know, but it feels like I shouldn’t be the one coming up with these ideas.
Lastly, I’d like to thank you, Avinash, for running a piece like this when it feels as if there are many Cal sympathizers out there. It’s not easy to write something against the grain, especially when it involves a high class person who’s done wonders for the program. He’s the University’s highest paid employee, the 8th highest paid coach in the nation, the #2 paid Pac10 coach so it’s OK to criticize him. It’s not like we’re picking on the underpaid Mike Riley here who has minimal resources. Personally, I hope Tedford stays forever but I worry less than desirable outputs in the years to come could prematurely lead to his ousting.
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by carp on Dec 18, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
The A’s drew VERY well when they had winning teams
What period of time is this referring to, exactly?
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
’88-90/91 or so.
I know…it’s been too long. One could still enjoy the ice plants…Canseco/McGwire were heroes…
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off the top of my head, I think the ‘01 A’s (or thereabouts) did fairly well…though I’m not certain.
The ALCS-appearing ‘06 A’s did not and this makes me sad panda.
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A’s did pretty poorly attendance wise in the early part of this decade, despite being one of the winningest teams in baseball…
If it makes you feel any better, it makes me a happy panda. Screw the A’s. Contract them or send them to Sactown! :)
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
I’m an Oakland-or-bust guy, but I’d rather it be Sacramento than Fremont, San Ho, or Las Vegas (shudders). Portland, OR would be a distant #3. AN folks have told me the market’s too small in Sacramento and blah blah blah, but I see a team that cashes fat revenue checks already so what’s the difference?
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I just want the competition out of the Bay….
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
will always be the White Sox and the Giants will always be the Cubs (kind of true if you think about World Series Championships!)
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I dunno, I honestly think a move to SJ could really close the gap between the two, both because the new ballpark will attract more fans (which is obvious), and because I think in SJ the A’s can attract more high income fans (which is less obvious, and worries me). I’m very worried about the A’s in SJ idea…
Then again, high income fans/companies ruin the atmosphere, but they do give the team a lot of money, so I’m a bit torn on whether that’s a good thing or not…
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I agree – let’s get rid of the Giants!
Send those weak-ass, no-World-Series-winning punks down to San Jose. Hell, send ‘em to Vegas for all I care. If I wanna be surrounded by people at a ballpark for the “atmosphere”, ooh-ing and aah-ing while the game goes on behind them, I can just trek down to the South Bay. Meanwhile, if I wanna go to a game where I’m with people who actually care about the team that’s on the field – I can keep my happy ass in OAKLAND.
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With the Giants being so good during that same era, the late 1980s were an AMAZING time to be a baseball fan in the Bay Area. I despised all the attention the A’s were usurping from my Giants at the time, but the atmosphere all summer long, on both sides of the Bay, was fantastic. And it was an era in which one could still afford to attend games on a regular basis—bleacher seats at the ’Stick for $2.50 and at the Coliseum for $3.00. Those remain some of the fondest memories of my life.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Dec 18, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
ditto…I was so bummed when they traded Matt Williams, although it was a smart move if I recall. Loved the batting stance, eye black, soft hands at the corner, and screw-the-Dodgers mentality.
I’m a big A’s fan and envious of the Giants (stadium, nat’l attention, city, attendance, radio deal), but I actually don’t mind ‘em and don’t wish any ill will towards them. It’s fun to criticize some of the baseball moves of the once shrewd Brian Sabean, but all in all I’m a larger fan of the game of baseball than of any particular team. One could find me watching the A’s, Cal, DVC, Sacramento Rivercats, Solano Thunderbirds game, or American Legion state championships at the Vets Home in Yountville.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I think the Matt Williams trade was more an example of bad thinking that worked out well. Who could have possibly forseen Jeff Kent going from an averageish player into a bona fide HoF’er overnight at age 30….
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
The Bay Area needs to care more. They love a winner. The A’s drew VERY well when they had winning teams. I say this because I believe this will lead to more money going into the program (sellouts, higher ticket prices), a general crazy college football atmosphere (helps recruiting and motivation/pride of the players), and accountability for the program. It would be helpful if there was a crystal clear plan on how the Jones’ (family of four) could go check out a Cal game on a particular Saturday in the fall (how to get there, where to park, where to buy tickets, etc). It shouldn’t be a treasure hunt. Bay Area folks have enough going on to make a weekend football game an adventure. On a related note, it feels as if the media coverage is "meh" regarding the Cal Bears with respect to the NFL. I’m not sure if it’s because the Bay Area is an NFL area, if YOkanes et al. are middle of the pack kind of reporters, or if the program restricts access. Does KGO have a Jeff Tedford show once a week during the morning commute? Could we have a an open scrimmage or two at PacBell Park to bring in more peninsula interest? I don’t know, but it feels like I shouldn’t be the one coming up with these ideas.
Not likely this’ll change. The Bears are a college team in a pro market. The only thing that’ll improve coverage is Rose Bowl/BCS berths and a championship tradition akin to the Niners or the Raiders.
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I know…a BCS bowl berth (perhaps even BCS win?) will be needed before this changes. 10/11-2 seasons, which seem like great years, won’t be enough unless they come with high profile bowl games.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Yeah, and on the other hand – Cal football over the last 8 years has turned from an afterthought in the Bay Area, into a legitimate interest. Right now, I would argue that Cal football consumes more local interest than the A’s or Raiders. This is obviously biased by the fact that the Bay Area has tons of Cal grads who care about Cal sports. But 10 years ago, even a local show like Chronicle Live would not be dedicating an entire show to the Big Game (it helps of course that Stanford was good.)
I think Cal still over the next five years has a real opportunity to pull a USC and take a disproportionate share of local attention because the 49ers, Raiders, A’s, Giants and Warriors suck and are going to continue to be not so good for the foreseeable future.
by Tedfordisgod on Dec 18, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I doubt it
Because the Bay Area television coverage hub is San Francisco, not Oakland.
It’s not like I care that much about local coverage anyway, the newer generation of fans get their news online, mainly from ESPN and other sites dedicated to sports. Only diehards watch the regional sports shows.
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Yeah, I don’t think the Chronicle Live thing matters in any way – just that it is indicative of Cal football (and college football) being a greater part of the Bay Area’s collective consciousness.
Not sure that it matters whether Oakland or San Francisco is the hub locally. If the 49ers move to Santa Clara, the A’s to Fremont and the Raiders to somewhere else, Cal then is closer to SF than any of them.
by Tedfordisgod on Dec 18, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
but we need the average Bay Area sports fan to take this to the next level in my opinion. The random family that goes to 2-3 Cal games a year. Cal has no shortage of diehards, it’s the fringier fan that attends other Bay Area sporting events but not Cal games is the one that Cal’s lacking.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
It would be helpful if there was a crystal clear plan on how the Jones’ (family of four) could go check out a Cal game on a particular Saturday in the fall (how to get there, where to park, where to buy tickets, etc). It shouldn’t be a treasure hunt.
This quote is MONEY.
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 18, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Despite the HUGE victories this year in Pasadena and Palo Alto, as well as some other nice moments along the way, this was a disappointing season to be sure. But it’s not one that changes my outlook on Cal football, which remains as satisfied and optimistic as ever. I firmly believe that in Jeff Tedford, we maybe don’t have the “quarterback guru” we once thought him to be, but we nonetheless do have the best head coach—the best chief executive of a major college football program both for its entertainment and educational value—in the Pac-10. I also can’t imagine a better fit for our beloved University; this guy was born to coach at Cal.
Taking a longer-term perspective, this program appears to have plateaued on the field—not necessarily permanently, but at least for now. This was perhaps inevitable after the meteoric rise in its first three years, which raised our expectations to the point where we can actually be disappointed at the prospect of yet another winning season to be capped off by yet another trip to a bowl game. I’m too lazy to do the math, but I’m pretty sure that Tedford has accumulated more wins in just bowl games and Big Games than Cal football amassed IN TOTAL during my four years as a student during the late-Kapp and early-Snyder eras. Those who suffered through Holmoe, Gilby, Theder, et al., no doubt can sympathize.
Our frustration at the current plateau is compounded by the fact the Bears never quite reached our coveted summit—the Rose Bowl—with that initial meteoric rise. Surely, one would think, teams featuring Rodgers, Lynch, Jackson, and/or Best—at least one of them—would win a trip to Pasadena. Unfortunately, an injury here, a misplaced toe there, and the really bad timing of sharing a conference with the juggernaut that has been USC, have all conspired to keep us just shy of the promised land.
But a plateau is not the same thing as a regression. Arizona under Dick Tomey and ASU under Bruce Snyder—and maybe USC under Pete Carroll? (only time will tell)—those are programs in recent years that have gone backwards, not just lost forward momentum. There are other examples around the country: Florida State under Bowden, Tennessee under Fullmer, and so on. College football is cyclical, and if this period (2007 to 2009) is a “down” cycle for Cal, I’ll take it.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Dec 18, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
But a plateau is not the same thing as a regression. Arizona under Dick Tomey and ASU under Bruce Snyder—and maybe USC under Pete Carroll? (only time will tell)—those are programs in recent years that have gone backwards, not just lost forward momentum. There are other examples around the country: Florida State under Bowden, Tennessee under Fullmer, and so on. College football is cyclical, and if this period (2007 to 2009) is a "down" cycle for Cal, I’ll take it.
That is a most excellent paragraph
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I firmly believe that in Jeff Tedford, we maybe don’t have the "quarterback guru" we once thought him to be
He still is a QB guru – the issue is that in the evolution of JT becoming a true Head Coach, he has given the QB coaching duties to Cignetti and Ludwig the past 2 years. I believe Dunbar was responsible for QBs in 2006 but may be wrong.
I honestly don’t understand those who say it is a disappointment “to be sure” or similar things. I understand easily how people can view this season to be a disappointment. But I don’t understand those who try to claim nobody can NOT view it as a disappointment. I know confusing double negative!
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I disagree with OskiMonsta a bit..I don’t think you globally compare the team on a # of win basis. Instead I think you look at it with a finer focus:
this season had many great achievements:
- Beating red hot Arizona
- Winning in hell (Arizona St)
- Winning in LA
- Beating red hot Furd
- Beating a decent BigTen team on the road, in a packed house.
but there were also many disappointments too:
- ASU game shouldn’t have been that close
- the Furd and Zona wins had flukey elements about them.
- The team COMPLETELY disappeared in two big games (Oregon, USC)
- UDub faceplant
- Losing badly to OSU with Jahvid getting hurt
- complete ST coverage failure
- playing not to lose mentality
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I disagree about the ASU game. I mean the next week, USC won 14-9 or some such thing. ASU at home was tough!
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I’ll spot you that. Their front 7 looked legit.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I do agree that Furd and Zona had flukey elements, but many wins have flukey elements. Unless you blow a team out and werent blowing out those 2!
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while I see your point, these felt flukier than most wins with the double pass within FG range (Zona), and the last minute Luck INT at the goal line. Some folks said Catthouse would have broken that play up had Mohamed not been The Prophet, others said the TE was wide open. My point is those were games Cal was expected to lose, didn’t, but the ensuing aftermath overinflated/overvalued those W’s when they were damn near L’s.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
it was somewhere in between… cattouse was closing in and just off his back, but the ball coulda slipped in if it was rocketed
i personally felt we should’ve won both of those games by more, and we flat out didn’t convert all our chances
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
There wasn't anything "flukey" about the Big Game
We beat stanfurd by making plays. If anything, that’s a game (as much if not more than ASU) that you can say shouldn’t have been as close as it was given our complete dominance from the 2nd Q until about the 9:00 mark of the 4th Q.
Did we let them back in it? Yeah, sure we did. Par for the course in Big Game weirdness (at least from a historical perspective). But the Prophet’s INT was no fluke. C-Jordan got pressure (!) on the QB and forced a hasty throw from Luck.
Praise be to Tedford!
Well, I agree with you about making plays (and why I acknowledged these wins as achievements). But what about giving Gerhart the ball more, especially with 2 minutes to go from the 13 yard line (or something like that)?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Part of Tedford game plan
Tedford stated that he did not go for the TD on the drive previous because he want 1) to make Stanfurd use their timeouts and 2) to make them score a TD.
The Int occurred on a 2nd and 10 with about 1:40 left. Running the ball would have risked a 3rd and long with time running out (and no timeouts)…say what you want about Tedford’s decision but it did force Stanfurd’s play selection in the final drive (and maybe led to the Int).
Truth or cougar: Gerhart scores winning TD, Gerhart wins Heisman.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Makes that Big Game victory that much sweeter
Almost like the Play costing Stanfurd an independence bowl bid and making John Elway bitter for the rest of his life.
If only Gerhart had shed tears and complained about us ruining his senior year.
I’m going to revise my memories to include those actions. Life is always better in my head.
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Elway quotes (after the Play).
1) I don’t think that a touchdown can be scored when you’ve got a whole band on the field. Now if he runs through three trombone guys, a tuba player, and two drum players, and dodges… and then runs right over a trombone player at the goal line and they call it a touchdown then, yeah, I think that that probably shouldn’t have been called."
(typical Stanfurd logic)
2) "This was an insult to college football… it was just a farce. They [the officials] didn’t have control of the whole game. They ruined my last game as a college football player. I don’t believe they can take something away like that. I don’t believe they can take something like that away from this program. Something has to be done about the referees.. There’s no doubt in my mind. It’s all right to make a mistake, but somebody should be man enough to stand up and admit it. It was a very bittersweet ending. I did not want it to end this way. It’s something I’ll have to live with the rest of my life.
by calbearjd on Dec 18, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I guess that just means we benefited from a questionable coaching decision of theirs as much as they benefitted from a questionable one of ours.
Praise be to Tedford!
That’s not flukey. That’s just a coaching decision that didn’t work out. If Luck makes a TD pass, no one has this conversation. A coach made a decision and has to live with it. That’s not a fluke, that’s football.
Ohio Bear is right. Running the ball down their throats play after play after play is not a fluke. Stringing together some of the longest sustained drives we’ve ever seen in the Tedford Era is not a fluke. Making Jim Harbaugh our bitch was not a fluke.
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Since I wrote “to be sure” above, I’ll quickly respond. Viewed in a vacuum all by itself, 2009 has been a disappointing season for Cal fans. Period. There were certainly a number of thrilling and wonderfully satisfying achievements along the way, but given the high expectations that most of us had in September, and given the severity of the truly embarrassing losses to Oregon, USC, and Washington, this season overall is without question, IMHO, a disappointment.
BUT, when viewed in the larger context the overall trajectory of Cal football, I for one am not particularly disappointed. This is where we I think we agree, Twist.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Dec 18, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not necessarily trying to say it was or was not a disappointment. Just that I don’t think we can fully preclude each side. Some might say it was a complete disappointment and I understand that, although I don’t necessarily agree. Others, such as myself, say that it was a fun, but, at times, disappointing season that hopefully ends on a high note.
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Viewed in a vacuum all by itself, 2009 has been a disappointing season for Cal fans. Period.
Viewing 2009 in a vaccum, I don’t find it to be a disappointment. What now.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
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I guess we agree to disagree. :-)
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by California Pete on Dec 18, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Insomuch as I didn’t just categorically prove your point wrong, which I did.
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"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
I don’t know what that means but I am almost certain I don’t like it.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
No, I wasn’t conceding the argument. I just was choosing not to continue it further. Viewed from a multi-year perspective, I agree that 2009 has not been a huge disappointment. It’s another winning season. It’s another trip to a bowl game. It’s another year of significant national attention. Likewise, 2009 has been a season with some really great moments, not the least of which was one of the most satisfying Big Game victories I’ve ever watched.
But the season as a whole, viewed on its own, was disappointing. And I frankly believe you are either lying to yourself or else very easily pleased if you think otherwise. Seriously, if you had been told, back on September 1, that Cal would go 5-4 in the Pac-10; get sent to the Poinsettia Bowl; get absolutely blown out of the water in the most embarrassing fashion by Oregon, USC, and Washington; lose Jahvid Best to a scary season-ending injury with three-plus games to play; fail to produce a thousand-yard rusher (bowl game pending) for the first time in Tedford’s tenure; and watch a ‘Furd get invited to New York as the Heisman runner-up—you seriously would not have said you’d be “disappointed” by that outcome? I find that hard to believe.
I’ll reiterate what I’ve written above: this season had some very memorable moments, and it’s done more than enough to keep me very optimistic about the Bears’ future. I can’t wait for 2010 to begin, and I genuinely liked watching this 2009 team. But yes, I’m nonetheless disappointed by the results.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Dec 18, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
No, I wasn’t conceding the argument.
You said I can’t; I can; therefore argument = categorically disproved.
What you believe is, as far as I’m concerned, shall we say less than material.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
I am about 75% just fucking with California Pete. (The other 25% is, as I’ve noted, completely right though.)
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It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
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QBChange
A QB change is needed. Riley isn’t cutting it. Coach T. can’t just look at past qb failures and be afraid to change again. Sweeney deserves a chance to succeed and maybe turn the whole mojo around. The Pointsettia Bowl would be a good time to try him.
until he shows the staff that he knows the plays
and is more consistent in execution of them than Riley, that’s not going to happen.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Dec 18, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
If it’s an improvement you’re looking for, you should probably set your sights on the o-line before you call for a new QB….
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
I agree that the O line is the foundation and first priority for any successful team. They also need a leader, though, to improve the mental game and to give them more confidence, which is where the QB (change) can help.
The team has voted him a leader, so it doesn’t seem QB change would not be helpful in that regard. That just sounds like weak armchair quarterbacking. I’ve looked over some of the games from this year since the Washington game, and after watching them more and more, the OL looks more and more horrible… It’s not a coincidence that when he got semi-decent protection, he played very well with the exception of the USC game. Like Avi’s pointed out, this has been by far the worst OL in the Tedford Era (and, unfortunately, last year was the second worst)
Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.
by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
it doesn’t seems a
Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.
by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve looked over some of the games from this year since the Washington game, and after watching them more and more, the OL looks more and more horrible…
Thank you! I’ve been saying this since around the OSU game: the OL is not good. They are consistently inconsistent. And before people start blaming the OL coach, they should explain why a 6th year senior still whiffs on run blocks in his 12th game into the season.
Can’t agree here… and this would not have been said if we ended the season against Furd. His consistency is not cutting it (and exaggerated unhealthily by the OL’s consistency), and he’s in his last season to get that all together.
1st Team Pac-10 Games this year (based on play-by-play execution, not necessarily stats):
Stanfurd, ASU, UCLA
Good games this year:
Maryland, WSU, Minnesota, EWU
Bad games:
Oregon (OL’s worst game), Zona, Washington, Oregon State
#)(&$^%)(#&$)#*$&:
USC
Next year, we’ll need no )(*$)(&#$)(@&) and fewer bad games to call him consistent
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with twist. This was not a disappointing season.
There were disappointing losses, injuries, and plays.
we won big game, and are going to a bowl game. we are continuing the longest string of winning seasons and continuity of good play we have had in half a century.
you youngsters need to get your heads out of the clouds.
Go Bears Go
I don’t think the season as a whole was disappointing – another solid season, nothing to complain about. There were definitely more disappointing parts to the season than nice successes, though. The losses to USC and Oregon – nothing wrong with losing those games. Being blown out as badly as Cal was? Disappointing. Losing to UW at all? Disappointing, but over the course of the season, and upset is bound to happen, so I’m ok with it. It just sucked it was at the end of the season when a win would have made this a successful season overall, I just realize we could have just as easily lost a game earlier in the year and so winning at UW wouldn’t have been as big a deal. Being blown out was a disappointment, though. So I can definitely see why some people take the season as disappointing….
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Another point from the adminstration side....
as long as we keep average attendance in the 65,000 range….there will be limited to no institutional pressure to remove Tedford. $ and butts in seats matter.
Go Bears Go
just a quick note....
ticket revenue at an average attendance of 65,000. and an average ticket price of $25 and 7 home games each year….is over $11M/year. that pays most of the programs costs. Which means that all the TV revenue, donor money, etc. can go to other programs, and capital costs (SHPC, etc).
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Dec 18, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
by chance, did you happen to get the attendance figures for this year?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
dunno, but they seemed down definitely… lowest in the last few years for sure. and iirc, we only got 6 home games this year
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
don't know, but I do know that my average price is low.
since we charge 45 or 50 for reserved seats for pac 10 games, and 75 for big game (at least).
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Dec 18, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
this year we were at 59,472 for 6 dates.
pretty good for a team having a ‘disappointing season’ and with having something systematically wrong with the program’.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Dec 18, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
next year we've got seven home dates
Sept. 4 – UC Davis FCS (low attendance projection 55k)
Sept. 11 – Colorado (long travel, big 6 ooc, team sucks 55k)
Sept. 18 – at Nevada
Sept. 25 – Washington (pac 10, 65k)
Oct. 2 – at Arizona
Oct. 9 – UCLA (pac 10, big rival 70k)
Oct. 16 – at USC
Oct. 23 – Arizona State (pac 10 65k)
Oct. 30 – at Oregon State
Nov. 6 – at Washington State
Nov. 13 – Oregon (pac 10, weather might suck, 60k)
Dec. 4 – Stanford (whose Axe? Our Axe! 72k)
my estimate is for about 442,000 attendance, which at $25/ticket is just over $11M.
My point being, if the team keeps this sort of thing up, there will be no institutional pressure to change coaches.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Dec 18, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I’m hoping a bunch of Davis fans show up and raise attendance. If we’re going to be scheduling FCS teams it should be Davis pretty much every year. I’ve heard from quite a few Davis alums who will show up for shits and giggles.
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don’t underestimate the Aggie fan base. They made Stanfurd Stadium Aggie into Territory. I expect them to be out in full Aggie gear.
Myself? I’ll be so torn lol.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
They made Stanfurd Stadium Aggie into Territory.
To be fair, pretty much any fanbase can do that. And they do! Course, I totally anticipate a bunch of Ags showing up.
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that’s true…especially around that time…I just wish I proof read.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I expect you to wear Cal gear, the wife to wear Davis gear, and….
to evaluate the paternity of your son through his choice of garb. If he’s wearing Cal, he’s a Lupoi. If he’s wearing Davis, he’s JT O’Sullivan’s
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
the carp’s (with the little one) might make it to 9 cal games next year (@ Nevada and @ USC) – although should I be scurred to bring the baby to a night game at the LA Coli (pop! pop!)?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
UC Davis will probably be high school band day. So that’ll up the numbers by a good 3, 4 million. People.
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 18, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
reread what I said.
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 18, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
actually the new place seats 15K
but I hear ya.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Dec 18, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
My schedule next year:
Colorado
UCLA
@OSU
@Wazzu
Oregon
Stanfurd
Hopefully
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Dec 18, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Coaching consistency, specifically Off Coordinator
I think one thing that hasn’t been mentioned here is the revolving door at offensive coordinator the past several years. Take a look at this:
2002 – George Cortez (7-5)
2003 – George Cortez (8-6)
2004 – George Cortez (10-2)
2005 – Mike Dunbar (8-4)
2006 – Mike Dunbar (10-3)
2007 – Jim Michalzik/Jeff Tedford (7-6)
2008 – Frank Cignetti (9-4)
2009 – Andy Ludwig (9-4 or 8-5)
While I know that a lot of people consider it “Tedford’s offense” I still think that football is a game of “systems.” And coordinators are the ones that implement a system. If you take a look at Cortez’s three teams, they each got progressively better; likewise in Dunbar’s second year.
Since then, we’ve had three mediocre years with three different offensive coordinators. I think that if we can keep Ludwig around for a couple more years, we might be looking at an 11 or 12 win season. The offense hasn’t had any consistency at the coordinator position for several years. I honestly think that this team would have been better had Cignetti stuck around for this year. I hope that we can keep Ludwig for the next couple years so that the youngsters on the O-line (Summers-Gavin, Siddoway, Brazinski, Crosthwaite) and the young talent we have at QB/RB (Sweeney, Hinder, Yarnway) can not only buy into the system, but own it from day one. This would be a huge win for the program.
by daveman on Dec 18, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Good points…although I would add that I feel the offensive talent wasn’t constant during these years (’06 and ’07 being the peak years)
It sounds like Tedford and Ludwig get along VERY well, so that bodes well
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Good call on the OC turnover
Although Dunbar was only at Cal in 2006. Cortez was still our OC in 2005. So we’ve had five years, five OCs.
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Right Avi
You’re right about that. Sorry for the mistake. Cortez was the OC in 2005. How can anyone expect consistency with 5 OCs in 5 years? It’s almost a minor miracle that we’ve continued to have winning seasons. I think that this speaks in general to the ability of Tedford to put together a winning program.
a similar story exists in ninerland. I believe many niner fans are expecting the ‘10 offense to be better than the ’09 offense, in part because the Raye gun is here to stay (he’s hardly a hot commodity).
I don’t have the data to back it up, but I’m in favor of a well-executed/planned offense run by an OC with a coordinator who’s not the next hottest coaching candidate. I hope the Ludwig stays for several years. I’m willing to make excuses for him when he has Ludwig-moments in order to keep the continuity.
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Whatever happened to Cortez? I ask merely out of curiosity, because I’m happy (enough) with Ludwig and look forward to seeing what he can do the next year or three.
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by California Pete on Dec 18, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
went back to OC the Calgary Stampeders last I heard
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Hard to say
The only tape I have on them is from the Oregon game (and last year’s Alabama game is on Hulu). I might look at their defense a little, since I think their offense has revamped.
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K… maybe we’ll just have to look at stats then. we gotta rally the troops for a tough finish to the season. i think it would be much better for the team AND the fans if we end the season on a higher note…
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind win or loss as long as I never have to scream Alamar’s name ever again.
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
There was a post on the Scout board a while back from a poster who generally has fairly reliable inside information about the program stating that Alamar was looking for another job (or perhaps “encouraged” to), and that should he fail to do so, he would most likely only be coaching tight ends starting from next season.
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That’s the impression I’ve gotten too, but would I be shocked if he’s still back there next year?
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I would certainly be shocked if he stayed around as ST coach again. Actually, not so much shocked as rather being in a consistent state of vomiting.
I wouldn’t be surprised though if he was demoted to just being the TE coach, though.
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And I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing (Alamar has had success with the TEs)… although I wonder where we get the $ for a ST coach or if someone already on staff will get a promotion
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
We have a bunch of Q+As with various outlets and are working on an Inside The Numbers statistical analysis.
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I don’t think I would have considered this season a “disappointment” had our 4 losses not been as embarrassing as they were. Granted, this team won 8 games (and hopefully 9) and that’s nothing to scoff at, but it was really disconcerting to watch this team get absolutely destroyed for 2 (and arguably 3) of those 4 losses.
Wazzu of all teams did better against USC than we did. I don’t know if there’s any way you can sugarcoat that.
But, as has been pointed out earlier, blowout losses are not a typical JT staple, so we’ll see how next season plays out before that becomes more of a harping point.
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by ch0ster on Dec 18, 2009 10:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yup… I’m actually very enthused for next year because I just don’t like the hype/media aspect of college football at all… and I don’t believe our team will get any (with even more media saying we’ve plateaued and are on a downtrend) To me, every writer plays on too much of the DRAMATICS of college football and not on the Xs and Os… I wish it was different, but that would bore most casual CFB fans, I think. And I’m not sure too many writers can actually expound on Xs and Os that much anyway
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Watching this team year after year, I’m starting to think that it’s possible to consistently win eight or nine games while having something systemically wrong with your program.
If consistently winning 8 or 9 games, consistently graduating players, and having a highly respectable NCAA APR score is “systematically wrong,” I don’t want to be right.
Am I disappointed that we didn’t live up to the hype? H, e, double hockey sticks yes. And I’m disgusted with the way we lost our 4 games, especially the UW game. But to say there is something “systematically wrong” with the program? That’s the sort of thing you say about programs that are hopeless on the field and/or even worse in the classroom.
Praise be to Tedford!
by Ohio Bear on Dec 18, 2009 11:00 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I think Tedford is a victim of his own success
It’s not a bad thing to have high aspirations but they also need to be realistic. Tedford brought credibility and legitimacy to a program that have not been consistently good (or even decent) for I don’t know how many years. Honestly, prior to Tedford, did anyone think Cal would sniff the Rose Bowl (let alone the national title game) for ten to twenty years? On top of everything, Tedford graduates his kids while significantly improving on-field performance. How many coaches can say that? Oh yeah, it is arguable that he single-handedly (along with his player) got the new facilities and stadium built (a benefit to Cal for decades to come.)
Honestly, aside from Best and Vereen, I think the talent level this year has been down compared to previous years. Our receivers were good but not great, the secondary (which was supposed to be one of the best in the country) was inconsistent, and line play on both side of the ball were down right awful at times (see Oregon and USC). I think we ended up exactly where I realistically believed we would…in the middle.
I don’t know about the facility issue (I always wonder how much recruits care about facilities) but I know that Tedford’s recruiting classes have been consistently good (i.e. 3 to 4 stars) but never on par with U$C, Texas, Florida, or Alabama (who consistently get 5 star recruits). The years that we have been very successful…we were able to get those game breakers (i.e. Jackson/Rodgers).
Personally, I am very satisfied with Tedford…he likes being at Cal (when was the last time a coach said that?) and he is doing great things both on and off the field.
by calbearjd on Dec 18, 2009 11:02 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
In agreement on a lot of these points, especially the average-to-good talent… but I do wonder if Tedford could get tired here.. I suppose he’s been here long enough to consider this his home for life
Hearing his and the players’ comments this year, I felt like the team was much more of a family, and JT was very much a part of it. You could point to this translating into the wins over UCLA, ASU, and Furd as pick-me-ups, and to me, it strengthens the argument that we were simply outplayed in those horrible losses… that there weren’t any locker room divisions, ya know?
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by Thoroughbred on Dec 18, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Two very simple thoughts (the kind I'm best at!)
1. 8-9 wins should never be considered a disappointment. Particularly given the history of our program.
2. If there was something systematically wrong with Tedford’s coaching, we wouldn’t have games like this year’s Big Game or Arizona or even Arizona State game. You can’t attribute the losses to poor coaching and the wins to something else.
I think we have two competing issues here:
#1: Was this a disappointing season? That of course depends on your expectations. I think Tedford and the players would say that this year is a disappointing season. And I anticipated more than a Poinsettia Bowl. So I think it’s fair to say the season was a disappointment, although not a massive one. And as others have pointed out, if we lost the same number of games, but in a non-blowout fashion, maybe it would be different
#2: Is there something systematically wrong with our program?
Statements like these is why I hate Wilner (or perhaps to be more fair, the state of sports journalism). Wilner doesn’t analyze, and he has the attention span of a fruit fly. When Cal beats three crappy teams to start the season: ROSE BOWL BABBY!!1. When they lose three games to teams that were better than them and one other game there’s “something systematically wrong.” There’s no nuance, no in between. Things are either great or broken. He doesn’t do any analysis. He just looks at W’s and L’s and comes up with the most rabble-rousing conclusion. His goal isn’t to be correct. His goal is to be controversial. Maybe I should just accept that he is what he is and move on, but I find it inherently dishonest and unprofessional.
Also, no. There isn’t anything systematically wrong with Cal football. In 7 years we’ve had one disappointing season, and 1 very mildly disappointing season. And we’re still recruiting very well.
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by norcalnick on Dec 18, 2009 11:52 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
HOW IS ROSE BOWL BABBY FORMED?
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 18, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Maximumpunten is maximumwinning
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It was fantastic."
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I think you need three things to win the game: talent, heart, and a little luck. As much as X’s and O’s matter (sorry Hydro), if the team motivation just isn’t that high, the team will not win games. I feel like this team lost that heart in its losses once things started going poorly in each game. Remember practice reports at the beginning of the year when team leaders would yell “Pac 10 Champs!!” and the rest would respond “That’s us!” Can you imagine how demoralizing it is when that no longer is an option? I think that was a huge error on the part of the coaches. You focus on your next opponent and schoolwork, and that is it. What season? What Rose Bowl?
Anyway, once that initial self doubt creeps in, it can manifest itself in the physical game: that little rush of “I think I can” adrenaline is gone, and you’re a quarter of a second slower off the line, or just not ferocious enough rushing the QB or making a tackle. Whether the team will admit it or not, the lack of confidence in ones’ own ability will damage the chance to win more than any playcall. It’s like the genius student who really just doesn’t give a shit or is unmotivated in life because he’s never been with a girl. All that brains for nothing because “what’s the point?”
We didn’t lose to UW because UW was that good, we lost to UW because OREGON was that good, pounded the shit out of our “Pac 10 Champs!” so bad the team knew they weren’t good enough for the Rose Bowl. Sure, if we had total beasts at every position, maybe the talent is just enough to overcome a team like UW or OSU. But without heart, like those scrappy, untalented little 2002 and 2003 Tedford teams, we’ll never overcome that plateau.
In the end you get years like 2009: passable talent, not much heart, moderate luck. 8-4. San Diego.
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 18, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
One of the oddest things about this season was how much “heart” this team appeared to have and not to have. As you note, this team appeared to have no heart once things started to go bad against Oregon, SC, and Washington, and they didn’t respond particularly well to Best’s injury against OSU. But when they faced some adversity against the likes of Minnesota, Arizona, and Stanford, this team responded with all the apparent heart in the world.
What makes it so hard to figure out—and the coaches and captains must be thinking this themselves—is that there is no common denominator. On both the heartless and full-of-heart sides of the ledger, there are good teams and bad teams, road games and home games. It really was a strange year.
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by California Pete on Dec 18, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
These are very good points, and something to think about in the offseason.
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Well, I hope I didn’t wander too far into the realm of hand-wavy, subjective, “Riley throws interceptions with passion” way of thinking. However, I do think that there really is no other explanation for the magnitude of our losses. OSU and UW are simply not that much more talented than we are…
So what can you say?
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 18, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
It was not just Cal
You could see the same for U$C after they got their head handed to them by Oregon…never the same after that…
Another view of this year and Tedford
All season I have been reading about how coaches (esp. Tedford) screwed up because they did not do this or they were too conservative…I wonder if people considered that Tedford (and the coaches) knows the team (i.e. talent/heart level) more than us…
Examples:
1) The biggest complaint I heard about Tedford this year was about how conservative he was (i.e. big game FG)…maybe Tedford knew that his O-line and Riley were not as dependable as we would like to think.
Take the Big Game FG , what if Riley got sacked while trying to get into the end zone…even assuming we were still in FG range for normal kickers, Cal’s kickers are below normal. Tedford had to “center” the ball so as to accommodate the lack of a kicking game.
Also, my sense of it is that Tedford sort of lost faith in Riley after the U$C game (especially that insane INT to Mays) and played it closer to the vest. Maybe that’s Tedford’s fault but not illogical.
2) Some one commented about how Gregory just focused on stopping the run and gave up big play. But I wonder if that wasn’t the result of the thought/view (shared by many) that our secondary was supposed to be the strength of the team. It is not unreasonable for a coach to play to his strength by stacking the line with a less than stellar front 7 and rely on his supposed top-tier secondary to play shut down coverage on opposing receivers. A good example of this was in the Washington game when Lockyer just threw to one guy…you would think you could clamp down on the game on D but the secondary just could not.
There are a few other but those are the two most glaring in my mind.
Take heart you Bears
It was a pretty good season all things considered. What is Cal’s problem? Tedford hasn’t been able to bring in a QB to lead you guys to the promised land. Oregon was ridiculous this year, so whatcha gonna do? But they lost to Furd?! Psychotic!
One thing is for sure, I look forward to The University of California claiming full ownership over fUCLA in perpetuity. Just get your facilities finished so you can stop losing recruiting battles to Weasel’s southern branch. You’re only 3-4 players removed from awesomeness.
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Wow...
There’s something in the zeitgeist going on. I came over specifically to ask that we discuss whether there’s something wrong with the football program that doesn’t allow us to reach the elite level. And what do I see when I arrive…that topic. Wow.
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 18, 2009 3:02 PM PST reply actions
My Views...
I’ll admit that I don’t have time to read through all 180 posts, so I might be repeating previous points.
1. Facilities are huge. They don’t have to be shiny, just good enough that the top athlete can see himself developing to his potential. I mean think about it. For those of us who are old enough to remember, there used to be World War II wooden shacks on campus called the T-Buildings. I’d go in there, half expecting Gomer Pyle to greet me. I was not impressed. Cal then tore those down and rebuilt that side of campus. Did that make a difference in getting a few more top students? Could have. Same thing with our players. I expect facilities to help us go to the next level.
2. Conservatism: I agree that Tedford has started to play not to lose. One sight from this year that I REALLY disliked was the desperation on his face at the end of the first half against USC, where he was trying to get a token field goal. Man to man, that had a “I’m Pete Carroll, I own you, and you know it” feel. I want the Tedford who demanded that we pound the ball hard and make them quit. But also called a flea flicker to David Gray on his first Cal play. Play to win, not to lose.
3. Get rid of Alamar and make special teams count again. Hire the guy from Virginia Tech and get ST to make some plays.
4. Play the best players, regardless of position. Usually, I think Tedford does this. But he really seems lost at the QB position. I’ll bet you that he’ll do a LOT of introspection and realize that Riley can’t take us to the Rose Bowl. He’s reached his Peter Principle. Watch as Beau Sweeney, the coaches kid, plays and reflects Tedford’s philosophy of do no harm.
5. Recruit gamebreakers: Everyone wants them. We need them.
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 18, 2009 3:16 PM PST reply actions
Umm...
Pretty sure that Beamer himself coaches ST at VT – that’s what makes it so interesting, it is a primary focus of his. Somehow I don’t think we’re gonna get the head coach of VT to be our ST coach ;-)
My bad. I somehow thought he had a son coaching ST
by BlackandOldGold on Dec 18, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Who does read all these?
Agree on the several points…too early to tell anything until we have facilities that rival the rest of the league. Frankly, we wouldn’t even have these discussions if Tedford didn’t come here, and who else will? It’s one thing to win without top recruits, it’s antoher to win here… Tedford has dramatically improved the gradfuation rate, which is important. I remember a class with Andre Carter – I think he went to about four classes and the exams. I’ll never forget the look he shot me when the instructor was discussing the Middle Passage in the Slave trade.
Oh yeah, every pre-season poll had the caveat that the passing game needed to improve in order to win the conference; it improved a little, but it’s not Rose Bowl stuff, you need a virtual pro QB for that. We’ve had great RB’s, but nothing like Rodgers. And the secondary, except for Syd, WAAAAAY underperformed- sorry Darian, but something must have come up…
With those tow areas failing or not showing up every game, you get 8-4 – perhaps if Ericson were here we’d be 5-7?
With those tow areas failing or not showing up every game, you get 8-4 – perhaps if Ericson were here we’d be 5-7?
Now that’s an interesting hypothetical
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In some universe (or rather an infinite number of universes) Dennis Erickson is the head coach of the Cal Golden Bears. Those universes are crazy.
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In an infinite number of universes, Rick Neuheisel is driving an ice cream truck, Pete Carroll is a stoned grifter at the beach, and Tiger Woods made a public speech after the mistress revelations, and the entirety of his statement would be him rapping “It’s Out Here for a Pimp.” Now THOSE universes would be crazy.
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God, an infinite number of universes and I have to live in one of the sane ones. Mega lame.
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It was fantastic."
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And my CRAZY parallel universe I booed the shit out of Tiger Woods and it ruined his life.
Oh.
Wait.
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by TKE Prytanis 79 on Dec 19, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
One more thing
One more point in case anyone is still reading these…I can not EVER remember the Bears coming back to win from a deficit, especially down two touchdowns against Stanford.
so that aspect of the program has improved, and it’s not like we’re the only team that has flopped against a decent opponent after a Big game in a schedule like ours…after the Big Game, Rose bowl not on the line, road game, finals, ect.
I can forgive one flop...
But not 3 1/2.
The OSU game was not a total flop, and the defense played with heart against USC, so in our 4 losses, call it 3 1/2 flops.
That was disappointing.
To evaluate the season, I want to compare it to other seasons with a different benchmark than W-L.
Because to me, if we play with heart and passion and come out with a close loss against a good team, and played to win, I am thoroughly satisfied as a fan. If we went .500 or even 3-9 with that every game, I would be really, really happy as a fan.
Of course, you don’t have 12 good opponents every year, you have a mix of crappy, decent, inconsistent, and elite opponents in our schedule.
So maybe over vacation I’ll go back over the records for a few seasons and rate our performance game by game, with grade on how we played much more emphasized than the W, but point differential would mean a lot.
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