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Saturday Open Thread: Army/Navy + College Hoops + Heisman Trophy

Bumping this up with the Cal Volleyball game done. Congrats to our Lady Bears for another fantastic season and a valiant effort against the undefeated Nittany Lions!

Here's the schedule of events after the jump.

Star-divide

College football

1 PM EST/10 AM PST: Division II National Championship. Grand Valley St. vs Northwest Missouri St, ESPN2. Hey look, a true national championship in college football! Why can't we have one of those?

2 PM EST/11 AM PST: SWAC Championship, Alabama A&M vs Prarie View A&M, ESPN Classic. The SWAC is so weird. Who decides not to play in the FCS playoffs?

2:30 PM EST/11:30 AM PST: Army vs Navy, CBS. This game will lead to all sorts of existential moments of crisis for Bruins fans. How can one root against the Army?

4 PM EST/1 PM PST: Division I Semifinal, Appalachian St at Minnesota, ESPN. Boom.

8 PM EST/5 PM PST: Heisman Trophy Award, ESPN. Now worth watching for Jim Harbaugh's face reactions.

9 PM EST/6 PM PST: 30 for 30: The U, ESPN. I was born a little too late for the Hurricane madness. Maybe we'll get some highlights of Russell White's 99 yard kickoff return.

College basketball

noon EST/9 AM PST: Kentucky at Indiana, CBS. Take a look at John Wall, college hoops fans. He'll be gone sooner than you know it.

2 PM EST/11 AM PST: LaSalle vs. Kansas in Kansas City, ESPN. We take a look at the Jayhawks before Cal comes calling.

2 PM EST/11 AM PST: Georgetown vs Washington in Anaheim, FSN HD/CSN Bay Area. The Pac-10's running out of opportunities to notch big OOC wins. Come on Huskies.

4:30 PM EST/1:30 PM PST: Mississippi St vs UCLA in Anaheim, FSN HD/CSN Bay Area. See the Georgetown-Washington game.

5 PM EST/2 PM PST: Marquette at Wisconsin, ESPN2. These...

7 PM EST/4 PM PST: Virginia Tech at Penn St, ESPN2. ...games...

9 PM EST/6 PM PST: Purdue at Alabama, ESPN2. ...interesting.

Poll
Who's winning the Heisman?
McCoy
30 votes
Ingram
36 votes
Gerhart
28 votes
Tebow
1 votes
Suh
23 votes

118 votes | Poll has closed

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Yay volleyball team!

On to the Elite 8 vs. Penn State

Hope we can beat the Goliath today.

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Dec 12, 2009 5:30 AM PST reply actions  

Man, who voted for McCoy? I don’t think he’ll even make the top 3. And it’s not like we have Texas fans on the blog…right?

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by yellow fever on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 AM PST reply actions  

The question isn't who DESERVES to win the Heisman

I think McCoy takes it because he’s one of the trifecta QBs over the last three years who didn’t win it and people like his story/career. I think Suh SHOULD win it if it were to go to the best college football player. I’d have to put Gerhart up there, too, but he won’t get it ‘cause his team is not in the title hunt (although that’s not supposed to matter).

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Dec 12, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s strange though that the writers I’ve heard reveal their votes have chosen Suh… think it’ll be close

Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.

by Thoroughbred on Dec 12, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

All that matters is that Toby loses.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Dec 12, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

In the words of the Whitest Kids you Know

IT’S SATURDAY!!!!

In communist Russia, Sanchez declares YOU!

by HOUSE66 on Dec 12, 2009 8:35 AM PST reply actions  

The SWAC is so weird. Who decides not to play in the FCS playoffs?

I believe the Ivy league does the same thing.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 12, 2009 8:56 AM PST reply actions  

Also like the Ivy League the SWAC doesn’t offer a full complement of athletic scholarships.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Dec 12, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh may not be gone after all…

Here’s the statement from Harbaugh:

"Though the rumor mill has been running full gear, my resolve and future proudly remains as head coach at Stanford University.

"The reports of the last 24 hours are untrue, though I respect the University of Kansas and athletic director Lew Perkins.

"I trust this puts an end to these rumors and reports, allowing the focus of fans and the media to shine a bright spotlight on Toby Gerhart today. I love Toby and our players and coaches at Stanford, and as Toby told reporters, I am a Stanford man."

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 12, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

we’ll see. Brian Kelly was saying the same thing.

by EchoOfSilence on Dec 12, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate 8am finals! time to nap

by racsan on Dec 12, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions  

And Saturday morning, too! Hope you did well! Good luck!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 12, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish there was a full slate of CFB on today. I do love the festivities of the army-navy game.

Anyone who watches the Heisman ceremony gets flag’d for encouraging The Establishment to keep it up.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Dec 12, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

I’m actually surprised we’re getting even one game today. I thought the first weekend in December was the last legal weekend to schedule a football game?

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 12, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that rule will be codified in the new anti-BCS legislation circulating in congress…..

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Dec 12, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Got a pretty good slate of

Pac-10 hoops, CAL WVB IN ELITE 8, Army/Navy

plus, don’t you have a son to look after?

Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.

by Thoroughbred on Dec 12, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

What if we’re only watching to lend moral support to the House of Spears?

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Dec 12, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Penn St. VB - WTF?????

How did they get to be so friggin’ unstoppable? What a dynasty !!!!!

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Dec 12, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

GET READY FOR AN EPIC DETHRONING

(and de-boning)

Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.

by Thoroughbred on Dec 12, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Has anyone else watched all of the 30 for 30’s? I have enjoyed them thoroughly.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Dec 12, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

I watched the USFL one and will watch the U at some point (prob on rerun)

Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.

by Thoroughbred on Dec 12, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched the teaser for The U and was like “man college football used to be fucking awesome.” def. watching that.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Dec 12, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Bears drop first set to Penn State, 25-18. They’re hanging in there, but Penn State is very, very good.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 12, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

Montana

Their uniform and colors remind me of Washington State.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 12, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

Army-Navy.

These announcers are pretty horrible.

by Yes We Cannon on Dec 12, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions  

Kansas officially hires

Turner Gill!

Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.

by Thoroughbred on Dec 12, 2009 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

Congratulations

Gill’s daughter is a sophomore cheerleader at Kansas.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 12, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

pics?

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Dec 12, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey

Aren’t you married with a kid?

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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 12, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s married, not dead.

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by BearStage on Dec 13, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Marquette-Wisconsin

I am watching that game on ESPN2.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 12, 2009 3:10 PM PST reply actions  

UCLA is going bowling!!

How many Pac10 teams in bowls now? 7? Seven?!?!

by EchoOfSilence on Dec 12, 2009 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

Bowl Teams
  1. Oregon
  2. Arizona
  3. Oregon State
  4. Stanford
  5. Southern California
  6. California
  7. UCLA

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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 12, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

seeing us down there kinda makes me sad

by EchoOfSilence on Dec 12, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

tells you something about how wonderful it is to make it to a bowl game. (At least it’s a hell of a lot different than yrs ago – but I ain’t complaining about it.)

by concordtom on Dec 12, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Pac-10 hoops roundup

St. Mary’s beats Oregon in Eugene
Wazzu squeaks by Air Force
ASU blasts Delaware St.
Georgetown dominated Washington
UCLA about to lose…again

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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 12, 2009 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

I’m hoping Kansas doesn’t blow us out by over 25

by EchoOfSilence on Dec 12, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched a little bit of the Lasalle game

They were casually throwing no-look passes at each other in traffic. They are one damned good team.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 12, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

They were sloppy against UCLA. Like I said then, they would’ve lost to Cal if they played the same game.

Like cocaine straight from Bolivia.

by Thoroughbred on Dec 12, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

UCLA

Man, they’re really bad. Mississippi State killed them and now UCLA is 2-6.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 12, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

How many mcdonalds all-americans does UCLA have again? What’s going on?

by EchoOfSilence on Dec 12, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

They don't have a big man anymore

With Gordon gone teams can drive to the rim at will.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 12, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

fucla is now a football school (lmfao)

by prd74 on Dec 12, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

THEY’RE GOING BOWLING!

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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 12, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Ucla being 2-6 makes me so happy, those little fuckin’ weenies!

by concordtom on Dec 12, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Go Gaels! THUNDER DOWN UNDER!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 12, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry if double-post

Turner Gill of Buffalo Bulls headed to Kansas? Looks like Harbaugh staying in place then.

by sec119 on Dec 12, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

Montana App State

Makes me wish the BCS teams would have an actual playoff.

by Shadwhand on Dec 12, 2009 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

Toby Gerhardt – finished second in the closest ever? Man, call that a winner if he plays in any other region, no? I’m pissed. Fuck Alabama and a sophomore. Give it to Toby. Or Suh.

by concordtom on Dec 12, 2009 6:20 PM PST reply actions  

Yup – the fascinating thing is that it was the Northeast that handed it to Ingram not the South. You know, the region where they are three hours ahead and don’t like college football.

by Tedfordisgod on Dec 12, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone should be watching “The U” on ESPN. Simply awesomely done (unlike the majority of the 30 for 30s up to this point – there is a reason they gave it two hours.)

Never been more proud that my first Cal game was a blowout loss to the Canes in 90.

by Tedfordisgod on Dec 12, 2009 6:57 PM PST reply actions  

And then they proceeded to show about 3 minutes of that game.

by Shadwhand on Dec 12, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha, never thought they would show that much of that game. I don’t remember any of that…then again, I was 7 at the time.

by Tedfordisgod on Dec 12, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I loved the part about the NCAA unsportsmanlike conduct video which they called “A Miami highlight tape”

“I think they made that video from the Cal game”

by Tedfordisgod on Dec 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

That was a 31-24 game early in the 4th Q before Miami blew our doors off with 21 unanswered points. The Canes had something like 600 yards total offense that day.

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Dec 12, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

But regardless, it was an awesome documentary.

by Shadwhand on Dec 12, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, it was

Amazing how close they were to 3 straight national titles in the late 80s.

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Dec 12, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Really it was close to seven straight

86 – undefeated, but lose to Oklahoma in Sugar Bowl
87 – won
88 – only loss to ND on a bad call. ND wins national championship.
89 – won
90 – I think finished second in nation, but have losses to BYU and ND. Year of the infamous Cotton Bowl win over Texas
91 – won
92 – 11-0 but lost Sugar Bowl to Alabama.

That is pretty amazing.

by Tedfordisgod on Dec 13, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Glad Fuckhart lost.

Can’t stand the thought of a fuckin Furdie winning

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST reply actions  

Come on, Avi, you KNOW we’d never live it down. Ever. A Furdie winning the Heisman? Makes my skin crawl.

Did he deserve it more that Ingram? Probably – but neither of them deserved to win it, as Suh was clearly the most impressive player in college football. I would have had an angry knot in my stomach for who knows HOW long if Gerhart had won. I… I can’t even fathom it.

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by BearStage on Dec 13, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I couldn’t agree more. I don’t care if Gerhart was the most deserving player in the history of college football – I wanted him to lose! I know, I know. That makes me petty and small-minded. But you know what I have discovered? When it comes to furdies, being petty and small-minded feels really, really good!

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by CalBear81 on Dec 13, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that Gerhart was robbed

He was by far the most outstanding player in the country, he did everything he could to keep Stanford in the games. Even though I can’t stand Stanford, it’s just another example of East Coast bias.

Gerhart wasn’t the only Pac-10 running back that deserved a chance at the Heisman. There’s a freshman in Eugene named LaMichael James who deserved a trip to New York.

He played in one less game and had one less touchdown than Ingram, he had just under 50 yards less than Ingram, but averaged way better in yards per carry and yards per game.

Also, the East Coast likes to portray the Pac-10 as weak. Well the Pac-10 had five teams in the top 50 in offense and five teams in the top 50 in total defense. Where as the SEC had 42 percent of their teams in the top 50 for defense and 33 percent of their teams in the top 50 for offense.

Individual players the Pac-10 had better pass rushers and better players that got after the offensive players in the backfield.

by Rocky63215 on Dec 12, 2009 9:40 PM PST reply actions  

You seem to not have heard of this Ndamukong Suh fellow. Perhaps you should read up on him.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Dec 12, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

All you have to see is this

82 plays involved with to 311 for Gerhart. Which is more?

by Rocky63215 on Dec 12, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Whereas Stanford is undefeated and on its way to a BCS bowl?

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Dec 12, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Curse my spelling, Stanfurd.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Dec 12, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

“Talk sense to a fool and he’ll call you foolish.”

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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 13, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, stanfurd even lost to Cal. And from reading this blog, I’m under the impression that Cal’s not very good.

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Dec 13, 2009 4:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you really doing this, AERose? Really? Is your thirst for conflict SO unquenchable that you’ll take on this Sisyphean task?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 13, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Frighteningly, yes.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Dec 13, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell you what...

If Stanford played on Thursday night instead of the UO – OSU game, Gerhardt gets the East Coast audience and he wins. I blame (and thank) Harbaugh !

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Dec 17, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

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