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Jahvid Best, concussions, and the future of football

 

When Jahvid Best courageously leaped into the endzone in the 2nd quarter against Oregon State, I was watching in the south endzone of Memorial Stadium.  When he went into the air the entire stadium let out an excited gasp.  But not everybody could see the landing.  As soon as he hit I immediately feared the worst.  My suspicions were confirmed when Jahvid's teammates frantically signaled to paramedics to aid their inured teammates.  Because of an obstructed view, most Cal fans celebrated the touchdown.  The band began to play Fight for California.  The cannon went off.  Meanwhile, the only thought running in my head was: "Jahvid Best might have just been killed."

Let that thought linger for a second.  For a brief period I was worried I had witnessed an on-field death. 

Star-divide

Soon word filtered that his family was on the field.  When multiple firefighters surrounded him I began to panic.  I was near tears.  My wife was convinced (correctly) that she saw Jahvid move his arms, but I wasn't able to calm myself until I managed to call my father who was watching on TV and confirmed that Jahvid had moved all of his extremities.  My mind kept wandering to Kevin Everett and other similarly life and career threatening injuries that have become less and less uncommon.

Perhaps this particular injury has hit me hard because I felt like I knew Jahvid as much as you can know a star player you have no personal relationship with.  I've talked to people who knew him as a kid.  I've watched and watched countless classy interviews.  I've seen the videos of him running up and down hills, working his ass off to help his team.  Everything I've ever heard connected with Jahvid has described a bright, talented kid with greatness in his future, on the field or off.  And for a long time it looked like much of that was in jeopardy.

So with these scary possibilities, it was a strange relief to find out that Jahvid 'only' has a concussion, his 2nd in as many weeks.  But recently there's been lots of talk about the science of concussions and the long term impact of repeated head trauma.  Malcolm Gladwell wrote the original article that helped jump start the discussion.  Ray Ratto talks about it.  Scott Ostler talks about it with normal sentence structure.  Everybody is reevaluating the most popular, lucrative sport in America.  The NFL and NCAA have desperately tried to change the rulebook to protect players, but every attempt to change a game that has a long history of stunningly brutal events seems futile.  Meanwhile evidence continues to mount - players effectively disabled, early onset dementia, and other debilitating injuries that boggle the mind.

Before Saturday's game, to my discredit, I hadn't paid much attention to the issue.  I didn't want to admit that a sport that takes up perhaps too much of my free time and disposable income was preying on the athletes that perform for my entertainment.  This is particularly disturbing in the college ranks, when players receive no money, and most have no future in the sport.  I couldn't drum up a reason to care about the rest of the Oregon St. game and I wonder if I'll care about the rest of the season.  I couldn't handle the people around me in Section L who did seem to still care, or at least cared enough to yell and boo our coaches and players to the point that I moved, cravenly abandoning poor Rollonubears (That was a dick move, I'm really sorry Rollon).

So here's my question:  Has this incident changed how you view football?  What can be done to protect players?  Is football doomed to remain a blood sport like boxing, a lucrative venture that canabalizes those that participate?

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I actually agree with BearStage about this.

Jahvid’s leap and landing didn’t change my viewpoint on football – but an article I read earlier this year on a flight (was it GQ – it was! See if you can track it down, an excellent AND scary article about the state of post-concussed players and how the NFL is trying to sweep evidence linking concussions with dementia and alzheimers.

. "Iron Mike," legendary Steelers center for fifteen seasons. His life after football had been mysterious and tragic, and on the news they were going on and on about it. What had happened to him? How does a guy go from four Super Bowl rings to…pissing in his own oven and squirting Super Glue on his rotting teeth? Mike Webster bought himself a Taser gun, used that on himself to treat his back pain, would zap himself into unconsciousness just to get some sleep. Mike Webster lost all his money, or maybe gave it away. He forgot. A lot of lawsuits. Mike Webster forgot how to eat, too. Soon Mike Webster was homeless, living in a truck, one of its windows replaced with a garbage bag and tape.

Seriously – read the article. It’s pretty harrowing.

Here’s the link again:

by LeonPowe on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Everyone needs to read that article. Wow.

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by BearStage on Nov 9, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i wrote a lot, but deleted most everything

Has this incident changed how you view football?

The immediate impact was that it changed the way I viewed the rest of the OSU game.

My long-term view remains more or less the same. Playing football simply isn’t for everyone, and I can understand why so many choose to play either high school, college, or professional ball.

No more cheering for hurdles. Still OK to cheer for big hits.

Because of the nature of the game, injuries are a reality. It sucks that it had to happen to our star running back, it sucks that it had to have happened to such a good guy as Jahvid.

I appreciate the work of some medical professionals who are seeking to better inform the public regarding potential serious but woefully under-studied consequences of football. Hopefully this allows young people to make a more educated decision as to whether or not to pursue football.

Just wanted to add a good set of data points from the article:

"Look, there was a seminal study published by the University of Oklahoma two years ago. They put accelerometers, which measure acceleration, in the helmets of University of Oklahoma players. And they documented the g-force. So we know the g-force for a football player being knocked out is about sixty to ninety g’s. To compare, a fighter pilot will pass out at five or six g’s, but that’s over a long period of time. These football g-forces are just a few milliseconds, very brief—boom! And they found that in the open field, the dramatic cases of a receiver getting blindsided is about one hundred g’s. It knocks them out. Very dramatic, everybody sees it. But the linemen? They were actually getting twenty to thirty g’s on every play. Because they start out and they bang heads. Every play.

by ttgiang15 on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Dear God.

Just finished it up… I cannot believe what I just read…

I’m at a loss for words…

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh wow

I cannot believe that the NFL went to such great lengths to discredit Dr. Omalu. But unfortunately I don’t see how anyone can stop the NFL and force them to pay attention.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Money

Of course they went to those lengths – between legal liabilities and the prospect of even a small portion of the audience pausing to think in the way that people on this thread are thinking, there’s far too much money at stake. It’s not a charitable organization.

by DC Trojan on Nov 9, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's going to happen

There’s a tipping point out there. I’m guessing a star player (not a linemen or a defender, probably a famous quarterback or running back) is going to have start exhibiting these symptoms for everyone to really pay attention to these injuries.

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by Avinash on Nov 9, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Young? Isn’t he one of the most concussed QB out there?

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by royrules22 on Nov 9, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He quit the game after the last hit and hasn’t shown signs of dementia.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I know that but you just wonder what kind of damage it has done to the guy.

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by royrules22 on Nov 9, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he did pick the Miami Dolphins to win the Superbowl a couple years ago…

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno, he does seem to be a little slower these days. Saw him on one of those NFL shows and he was stumbling over his words a bit. Worrying, something to keep an eye out on.

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by Avinash on Nov 9, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a good point. Perhaps it’s not full-blown dementia. It’d be interesting to get some more colour on his current situation.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m finally reading the GQ article. Holy jeez. I don’t even know what to think. Disappointment, fear, revulsion, sympathy…none of it seems to describe the gravity of the situation or the unbelievable denial of science.

The bit about taking the head out of the game (page 6) is particularly interesting/terrifying to me.

by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Nov 9, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post

Definitely agree with your points about Jahvid as a person. There are plenty of good guys on the team, but Jahvid is truly one of nicest people you could meet. A good way to think about it: you know taylor mays? Jahvid is his exact opposite in terms of personality. The type of person he is definitely affected how upset I was when I saw he was hurt.

It was sort of surreal, really. I’ve taken that blue spine board they used to get him on the gurney down to the field for every practice for months since I’ve worked there. The kind of thing you hope and assume will never actually get used.

As to whether things will or should change in football; that’s really hard for me to say. I love football, but there’s clearly a big risk of catastrophic injury. The question, I suppose, is whether people should be allowed to take those risks. For something like auto racing, it can be hard to understand why people continue to do it when you see guys like Dale Earnhardt and Ayrton Senna die in terrible crashes. I think at a basic level, people continue to take these risks because they love the sport or whatever they’re doing, and feel that they and their heroes are invincible.

So I don’t have an answer really. I do have a better understanding, though, of why my mom always used to cover her eyes when Steve Young would take off running. I’m probably always going to have a little nugget of worry like that in the back of my mind from now on.

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by giantfan5 on Nov 8, 2009 11:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Don’t worry about it. At first I thought you had left because, as this post indicates, you were obviously very affected by this play.

Plus, in the second half I cared more about hypothermia prevention then the game.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Nov 8, 2009 11:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Personally I hide behind defeatism. That which will happen will happen, I am only a witness.

c’est la vie

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by AERose on Nov 9, 2009 2:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Some more references

While Malcolm Gladwell did publish recently in the New Yorker, he’s not the original author by any means. Alan Schwarz at the NYT has been following this line of inquiry for a couple of years now, and I’m sure there are others I’m not aware of.

The current spate of articles tying together concussion, dementia and football is related to a Michigan study released last month after which the NFL admitted the link between dementia and concussions. A prior study in 2007 from UNC linked concussions to depression in a massive tracking survey of former NFL players, but the NFL didn’t embrace the findings very quickly. Now enough former NFL players are aware of this that they’re willing to donate their brains for research. Not surprisingly, their brains don’t look that good. The first holy sh!t article I saw was also in 2007, the case study of Andre Waters, which Gladwell refers to in his piece.

As for how I feel about this … I’m dubious of how much the NFL and NCAA can regulate the game or how much improvements in helmet technology might be able to protect players. With that in mind, and being aware of how hard the hits are in the NFL, I don’t think I’d want my kids to be in the NFL, for whatever that standard is worth. That probably makes me a hypocrite for liking to watch it, just like I’ll watch boxing even though I know that repeated blows to the head cause brain damage. On the other hand, boxers and football players make a lot of money, and boxers and football players make their own decisions to participate in their respective sports and get paid for it. I’m not in favor of a nanny state, yet knowing that all these hits to one’s head accumulate and lead to permanent brain damage has me cringing whenever I see the hardest hits.

In other words, I’m still not entirely sure where I stand on this. Brain damage is bad, it’s probably inevitable, but I like to watch football.

by sec119 on Nov 9, 2009 7:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Used to be true - may still be - of soccer

I mirror sec119’s ambivalence. There’s enough evidence to suggest that playing football, as it’s currently played, is a ticket to long term phsyical deterioration faster than the norm, and that brain damage can be pervasive and hidden from view. I don’t think that’s going to stop me from watching football, but it’s making me a little uneasy. It’s not something I have to worry about with my kids since I have 2 daughters…

The part I find saddening is the behavior of people with a vested financial interest trying to discredit the research that’s been done on the subject. There’s a decent body of evidence to suggest that a long career playing soccer back in the day could be a significant contributory factor to early dementia, because of the weight of old-fashioned leather balls, especially those which had absorbed water in the rain. Improvements in technology mean that balls are lighter and don’t absorb water any more, but the risk is still there. It’s inherent to the sport.

And that’s where I come back to with football – as long as pads and helmets make it a hitting sport, it’s going to be a sport that reduces the long term players to wrecks. I don’t know if any of you watched that “Dhani travels the globe” show about a linebacker for the Bengals traveling to various places and taking a try at the local sports, but he went to England and trained with a rugby team for a week before getting a little playing time. They were amused at his conditioning being useless for 80 straight minutes of running but impressed at the strength he brought to tackling. At one point, the players listed various injuries they’d had – teeth lost, bones broken, etc. – and they plainly wanted Dhani Jones to say that rugby is a more physically tough sport than football. (This is an article of faith in the UK.) He refused to agree, saying that as tough a game as rugby was, even playing in match he didn’t take a hit anything like what he’d absorb or hand out in an NFL game.

That gave me pause for thought.

by DC Trojan on Nov 9, 2009 7:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Equipment

American-rules football has always been dangerous. Tales of the old flying wedge from the late 1800s are beyond frightening. And all things considered, all the equipment and rules changes have probably made it, on balance, a safer sport than it was a century ago.

Given the size and speed of today’s athletes, I’ve long wondered if the equipment technology has gone too far; players have the confidence to run and hit with wreckless abandon, and that hard-shell helmet with protective facemask becomes a weapon that no rule or referee can ever fully control. Would the game actually be safer with the sort of soft helmets that many rubgy players wear today? It’s a question worth studying, but getting back to Jahvid’s scare on Saturday, that hard-shell helmet just may have saved his life.

I certainly don’t presume to know the answer. Like any casual observer, I’ve got my own crazy ideas, such as removing the facemask. Other than potential eye injuries—which it actually does a poor job of guarding against—the modern facemask doesn’t really offer protection against anything more serious than a broken nose or some knocked-out teeth. What it does provide, though, is a false sense of confidence that one is indestructible inside of this protective cage. Maybe removing it would re-instill a little bit of fear to help temper the violence? Then again, maybe it would lead to more neck injuries as players instinctively look down to protect their face prior to contact.

All sports—indeed all human endeavors—carry risks of both catastrophic injury (or death) and long-term degeneration. American-rules football is not unique in that respect. Where it does stand out is that, aside from boxing and to a lesser degree ice hockey and lacrosse, it is perhaps the only sport that allows human-to-human collisions of unlimited force. We can tinker with the rules and the equipment all we want, but that is ultimately the essence of the sport.

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by California Pete on Nov 9, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s just it, isn’t it? It’s the essence of the sport that it’s the way it is. As for your point about lacrosse, there’s a built-in alternative example – men’s lacrosse allows a lot of contact, women’s doesn’t, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t injuries in women’s lacrosse. I seem to remember that at some point in the last 10 years, some poor girl playing in a high school game died here in MD because she took a ball full speed to the chest over her heart and that was that.

You can only legislate for so much. That said, I wonder if maybe removing the facemask might help. And those rugby style helmets must help somewhat: the Chelsea goal-keeper Petr Cech wears one because he almost died a couple of years ago after an opposing player “accidentally” smashed Cech’s head with his knee and pushed a section of the skull in.

by DC Trojan on Nov 9, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s an interesting idea. Proponents of removing seatbelt laws often use the idea that a lack of safety equipment in a car will actually make us drive more cautiously, slower, and safer. Of course, that puts a lot of trust in OTHER people to drive cautiously, slower, and safer too.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes, I didn’t realize soccer had the same issues; I thought that a relatively light, elastic ball would do little damage. Makes sense, I suppose, since velocity can get up to 60 mph or so.

by sec119 on Nov 9, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not as bad as it used to be. You’ve also got to factor in repetition though, certain players could be heading a fast-moving ball 10+ times a match plus practice time as well.

by DC Trojan on Nov 9, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

While Malcolm Gladwell did publish recently in the New Yorker, he’s not the original author by any means.

Thanks for all of this great info sec119. I figured there was more discussion out there but I wasn’t aware of how long the conversation had been going. Of course, now I’m afraid to click on your links – they’ll scare me even more!

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by norcalnick on Nov 9, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post, btw, this is an interesting discussion.

by sec119 on Nov 9, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Therefore, I believe the oxygen mask administered to Best was part of fantastic treatment he received from emergency personnel right there on the field. That pumped in nearly 100% oxygen (normal air only has ~20% oxygen). While this increases the risk of harmful hydroxy radicals (causes cancer, ischemia) over prolonged use, his brain mitochondria needed it.

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by carp on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Best’s second concussion occured whil the brain was still recovering from the first concussion, and this could have potentially killed him.

Please talk more about this point. We hear about players who suffer “mild” concussions and play on the field a week later quite often. Are they at risk as well?

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. These effects are cumulative, such that you might almost get a concussion or get a mild concussion, and then even a lesser blow a short while later will push you into severe concussion territory.

by sec119 on Nov 9, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would imagine a lot of these smaller concussions won’t really show their effect until much later in life.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s called Second Impact Syndrome. Wiki has a fairly decent explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-impact_syndrome

As I said the brain is very sensitive to pressure, blood flow, and chemical composition immediately following a concussion (even a minor one). As the brain is healing, a second impact can be quite deleterious and lead to a catastrophic event and and even death.

I suppose the medical team (and I hope he saw a neurologist) gave Best a “go” for Saturday after his mild concussion. Following this severe second concussion, I for one am doubtful his brain was fully healed. I’m no MD but I can read and comprehend their literature. Of course, we’re not privvy to Best’s medical files (and thank goodness for that)

I read that he received an X ray and CT. I wish he would have received an MRI as that’s the most sensitive instrument for soft tissue injuries. It’s rare to get both CT and an MRI in medicine, but I think this patient is worth it. It’s also eyebrow raising that he didn’t go to Alta Bates and instead went to Highland Hospital.

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by carp on Nov 9, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s the difference between Alta Bates and Highland?

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by Avinash on Nov 9, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding the hospital choice, when they announced “nearby hospital” I thought Alta Bates. I’ve never been to either but why Highland? Is it better?

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by royrules22 on Nov 9, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would imagine they see more gunshot victims. Maybe they have a better trauma center? I bet they also base it off who’s more busy at the time?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Highland Hospital handles most of the serious trauma cases for the area. Besides having a larger trauma center, they also have extended hours. On first glance, it might look like Highland is a bit dilapidated compared to Alta Bates, but they actually area really up to date in terms of some of their diagnostic equipment. They’re one of the few facilities that have the new cone beam x-ray machine that let’s you take 3D images of the teeth/jaws.

I had a rotation through Highland and it’s kind of scary, actually. If I had to compare the two…Alta Bates is the place for “routine” medicine. You get people from the suburbs, procedures are scheduled in advance, etc. Highland is the “sh!t hit the fan” place. This is where there’s treatment for bad things that happened to good people, and bad things that happened to bad people. It’s not where I would want to be for any extended period of time. But, they do know their stuff and are well-practiced for handling trauma. Sometimes the nicer clinics just don’t have the training, experience, or the equipment.

For example, I had a patient who fell down a flight of stairs, fractured/displaced several teeth, broke his arm, and hurt his jaw very badly. I suspected a jaw fracture and sent him to an oral surgeon after stabilizing his teeth. The oral surgeon that I referred him to wanted him to go to Highland Hospital to get checked out for possible jaw fracture. Instead, the guy went to a local clinic (equivalent of Alta Bates), and they told him that his jaw was just fine. Turns out later that he really did have his jaw fractured in two places. But, by the time we figured it out, it was too late to do anything and now his bite is unfixable without jaw surgery.

Bottom line, if something bad happened to me, I’d want to get diagnosed at Highland and recover anywhere else.

by Kodiak on Nov 9, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Was he even a “trauma?”

I would have liked to have read that he got an MRI CT + MRI.

Getting a 2nd (or 1st) opinion at UCSF wouldn’t have been a bad idea either.

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by carp on Nov 9, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

consults a dictionary

trau·ma (trôm, trou-)
n. pl. trau·mas or trau·ma·ta (-m-t)
1. A serious injury or shock to the body, as from violence or an accident.

…I’m going with yes, Best was a trauma case.

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by katster on Nov 10, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This moment has really made me rethink my dedication as a football fan, to think about the human cost behind everything.

I agree. It’s entertainment – it’s supposed to be fun, right? Not much about this was fun.

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by CBKWit on Nov 9, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. I am ashamed to say I left very early, with about 9 min left in the 4th. First time I’ve left early since freshman year. After Jahvid got hurt……..honestly I didn’t really care about the game or the team.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I stayed

I felt it was important to show solidarity. The game itself was irrelevant. I think a lot of people who left early probably shared your view.

To the douchebag who was cursing at Kevin Riley for the whole game and then left early…you’re missing the point, buddy.

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by CBKWit on Nov 9, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You earned the gold star of the game for somehow getting that guy to leave.

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by norcalnick on Nov 9, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There were some douches next to us who kept chanting “We want Mansion!”

That, right there, is all you need to know about how dumb some of these people are.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really enjoyed watching #4 play, but the last thing I want is in 20 years time to have a home game called the Jahvid Best Memorial game to bookend the Joe Roth game.

Most depressing post of the day.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Most depressing post of the day ever.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

good god, this.

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by BearStage on Nov 9, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

-blockquote-I’m convinced that I’ve seen the last of #4 on the field. At least I hope so.

Well I don’t know if I agree with this, but I definitely hope this is the last I see of Best on the field this year. I hope he takes at least the next few months to recover and decide his future. I don’t know enough about the art and science of concussions to take it further than that.

by tmoran3020 on Nov 9, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As a team, we’ll be fine, as we have a quality backup in Shane. But even if our backup were Kevin Riley’s now-shaved beard, I’d rather Best not step onto the field unless both the doctors and his teammates are okay with i.t

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts

Football is a brutal and dangerous game. But having been a football fan my whole life, without ever actually playing a single down of tackle football, I have always appreciated the game more for its beauty than for its physical power.

For me, that is why Jahvid’s injury has really made me rethink my relationship with the game. Here is a player, that along with a few others (Reggie Bush, Desean, Randy Moss) has done things that I have never seen before on a football field, elevating the game for brief moments to an art. And Saturday night, as Jahvid lay on the field, think I lost appreciation for a game that doesn’t celebrate beauty, but seeks it out for destruction.

When people discuss the future of football, they often discuss it in terms like, “There will always be people who are willing to play football.” I agree. People who are 6-8, 350 lbs. will have little choice but to play football. But I wonder if the Jahvid Best’s or Desean Jackson’s of the future, will give football much of a thought. We know Jahvid could be a track star, Moss was a basketball star and Desean was a standout baseball player. I imagine that Jahvid could have been an elite soccer player – and honestly, there is a lot more financial opportunity in soccer than in professional football. If you are a parent, don’t you push your kid in that direction. I do. Unfortunately, take those players away from the game, and I am unsure if it is something worth watching.

Yesterday, I was talking with my sister, who was there Saturday night and still clearly shaken by the experience. She is not a huge football fan, but rather a huge fan of the festivities and family events that make football great. She was struggling with whether all of the moments that made her love Jahvid Best were wiped out in the hour when she thought he had been killed in front of her eyes. She said that both she and my dad somehow felt not just horrified, but to an extent responsible.

As a fan, I have always been cognizant that at some point, a player is going to die on the field. It is going to happen. We unfortunately live in a culture were we struggle to prevent the inevitable. But the idea that Jahvid would be that player really changed my outlook. While he was down, not moving, I told a friend that if he was paralyzed, I would give up football. I was 100% serious. Knowing that he will be “OK” (at least in the short run, I don’t want to speculate on what type of long-term damage was done by a concussion of that magnitude) still makes me question whether the game is worth it.

Thanks everyone for sharing. The number of people with articulate descriptions of their emotions is what makes CGB fantastic.

by Tedfordisgod on Nov 9, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Track vs. Football

Maybe there’s a reason Mr. Bolt is named U-“sane”.

a game that doesn’t celebrate beauty, but seeks it out for destruction

Best’s frightening encounter with the floor of Memorial Stadium certainly has me questioning my fanaticism for football, too. But there’s a bit of irony here in that Best’s terrifying concussion, arguably, was a product of the game’s “beauty” rather than the game’s “destruction”. This wasn’t DeCoud laying out a UCLA defender in punt coverage to spring DeSean on another long touchdown return. This wasn’t the Pain Train getting revenge on a certain trash talking quarterback from ASU. Instead, this was a phenomenal athlete leaping high into the air only to land on his head. Yes, the defender helped catapult Best into his vulnerable position, but this wasn’t your stereotypical football collision.

The good news is that it gets us all talking about the all-too-real risks of head and other serious injury in this most violent of sports. The bad news is that it also reveals how no single rule change or state-of-the-art piece of equipment can eliminate that risk. (Assuming that he plays football again, in whatever uniform, I sure hope Jahvid removes the acrobatic leap into the end zone from his repertoire; it might actually be safer to try to run through that defender rather than jump over him.)

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Nov 9, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, totally, I did mean to hit on that point. The play on which best got hurt really could probably happen in basketball or even soccer as well. But I still think it makes you question the game as a whole.

by Tedfordisgod on Nov 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Best had died, and it crossed my mind as a possibility as more and more personnel surrounded him, the team went over, the OSU players prayed, his mom was fetched from the stands, and increasingly scary-looking restraint carts were shuttled over to the site, then I never would have watched football again.

I don’t think I could live with the idea that I paid money to see entertainment that resulted in someone’s death. Yes, I know all sports have inherent risk but I don’t care, it’s different when you’re there.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I've thought of this before but it only really hit me on Saturday

When we study the Romans, we discuss their gladiator games (among other things) and we heap scorn upon them, calling them uncouth, etc for liking such games. But are we any different? We cheer big, crushing, loud hits. Zack Follet almost killing Rudy Carpenter was one of the most liked plays of last year. Thomas Decoud making Bosworth feel woozy on a DJax punt return is still viewed on Youtube. Only when I saw Best in that frozen state where I honestly thought he was paralyzed if not dead did it hit me that this is disgusting.

Also, up until Saturday one of my biggest regret was that I didn’t try out for football in HS. Now I’m sort of happy I didn’t.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 9, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind in this public contemplation of “Football, Good or Evil?” that some of us have already recognized and somewhat reconciled the injury component in football, boxing, women’s hoops, etc. so we are not all in the same place regarding this. It goes without saying that it is rattling and challenging for any of us to see players go down and suffer physically and mentally. Yet I came out of this contemplation (initiated by boxing for me, actually) feeling that every sport, like pretty much everything in life, has its risks and that equipment, rules, and tactics can adapt accordingly to minimize the chances of injuries occurring. If we knew more than we know anout the nature of these injuries, and if the teams and conferences were purposefully endangering athletes, then I’d probably walk away from the sport. As it is, we are at an interesting new place of beginning to understand concussions, as others have noted, and as it is known things are changing in response. Hopefully there can be a corresponding change in helmet technology to minimize the newly understood danger here. Nobody, even the big bad NFL, wants to see people hurt.

As for Best, I hope he gets better soon. I further hope that medical science knows enough to clear him or not before he sees the field again. I suspect that will be a long time away.

by zoonews on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for all of these great responses, everybody. I’m always impressed by the depth and breadth of knowledge here, especially in regards to such an emotional event. I’m also glad to read that my reaction to the play wasn’t as drastic as I thought it might have been.

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by norcalnick on Nov 9, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This.

I’m really glad to see I wasn’t the only one who was worried that he may have died on that play.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, that thought (that I can’t even type now) came to my mind immediately. I sit right in that corner at the goal line, so I had a too-good view of the event. When his teammate immediately summoned medical attention that was absolutely my first thought. It wasn’t until I heard cheering from the end zone (I presume cause they saw him move his extremities, maybe that is hopeful thinking) that I relaxed into it may “only” be a concussion or the like.

Thank whoever-you-want-to-thank that the result was as minor as possible (not saying for an instant that it is minor). Not sure I ever could have watched another Cal game – certainly not in the same light – if it were the other possibilities.

by tmoran3020 on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference that being a Cal fan makes…..would other fans have reacted the same way to this incident that we have? I don’t know, I’m not other fans. Cal fans have demonstrated, at least on CGB, a lot of maturity and reflection.

So let me take it a step further, since the mood is what it is. Reflecting on this season….

Preseason: We were convinced that it was possible to go 11-1, maybe 12-0. Nothing could stand in our way, we were on top of the world, ready to smash, pillage, and bring the Pain Train upon our defenseless opponents.

After the “Massacre at Autzen” (I cringe to use such adjectives now, this is a game, not a war) and the loss to USC: Ok, maybe we’re not an elite team, but let’s enjoy the season for what it is.

After winning 3 in a row: Hey, we’re not an elite team, but we’re pretty good, and Cal football is all about having a chance to win or be competitive in every game.

After Best’s injury: This is just a game. As fans, more importantly, as Cal fans, we know that there’s more to life than football. Going 11-1 may not actually be as important in the grand scheme of things as going 8-4 and watching the players grow into quality young men ready to graduate and contribute to our society.

At the risk of being too emotional about all this, in some ways everything that has happened this season has taught us some solid lessons about football, about being Cal fans, and about being alumni. In some ways, I’m actually feeling better about where we are now, given all that we’ve been through and learned.

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by dballisloose on Nov 9, 2009 1:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Do you need a hug?

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by TwistNHook on Nov 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think my conclusion and sentiments are appropriate. This has all kept us grounded. So yes, hug me….hug me like you’ve never hugged another man before.

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by dballisloose on Nov 9, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh god -- Man Hugs

Well, this post has now officially moved from the sincere to the ridiculous.

Actually, that’s kind of helpful. It was getting a bit too morose in here anyway. I suppose if you hug back, twist might also give you a small honk.

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by SoCal Oski on Nov 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who says Twist’s hugs are not sincere? Let’s get back on topic.

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by dballisloose on Nov 9, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hours later, CGB was trying to distract its readers by asking them for their memories of even more embarrassing losses when Cal wasn’t expected to win games like this, while one particularly officious editor was offering hugs.

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by HolmoePhobe on Nov 9, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope this isn’t a recurring theme for this site.

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by Avinash on Nov 9, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If only you were in some sort of position to manage this site!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 9, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference that being a Cal fan makes…..would other fans have reacted the same way to this incident that we have?

Absolutely not.

I’m really disappointed that such a situation is taken so lightly.

Best’s injury for us has us questioning the game of football. Every other sports website has reduced it to a bullet point.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly I don’t think anyone will know the gravity of the situation unless they were there or watched the game on TV and saw how long it took to get him out, and the complete silence of the stadium. Most people nationally will simply read “Cal star gets taken to hospital—Is OK” and just take it to be another hard hit.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don’t know if even people watching on TV had quite the same reaction as those at the game, which is understandable. It probably wasn’t as obvious what was going on other than that he was injured.

But seeing it happen from 50 feet away was scary as fuck. There’s something really weird about a stadium of 50,000 people suddenly going dead silent. And for some reason the fact that the OSU team was also kneeling on the field and watching scared me even more.

dboneisloose

by HolmoePhobe on Nov 9, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was the first and biggest “OH SH—!” moment — when Oregon State’s players knelt down to pray/out of respect.

I honestly just don’t think people are aware of this.I said it before and I’ll say it again: I have never, ever heard Memorial that quiet.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For me it was when they got Jahvid’s mom from the stands.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Enh, I was watching it on TV and when he hit the turf, I knew immediately that something horrible had happened. I mean, when your teammate comes over to celebrate and you’re not moving — that’s not good. And then the replay — and realizing the first time Jahvid crashed into the turf was bad, but the bounce was worse.

Maybe it doesn’t carry the poignancy of the moment of having been there — but even the announcers didn’t have a clue what to say at that time, and I just sat there watching the TV going “god, let him be okay, don’t let him be paralyzed, please…” as more and more people surrounded him. You know it’s bad when they’ve got the firefighters out there.

In other words, it was quite obvious that he was injured, at least from this perspective, and injured very very badly.

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by katster on Nov 9, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My gf and I, both alums and young doctors, were pretty horrified by the injury to best for a lot of reasons already mentioned. Having some trauma experience, we were actually getting upset that the paramedics weren’t getting him to Highland faster where he could get scanned and treated.

To us, the TV replays were more frightening. As was said, his posturing after landing resembled decerebrate posturing, seen with brainstem damage. As the name implies, the brainstem connects the brain to the spinal cord. I’ve seen that posturing at least twice in the hospital, both died. I think Jahvid is really fortunate to have survived, though I worry about long term brain damage.

I think we all are also fortunate that we won’t have to live with the guilt of watching someone become paralyzed or worse for our entertainment. I feel as guilty as everyone.

by bearinferno on Nov 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps overly Devil’s Advocate, but it’s not like this injury hasn’t happened to others before… so one might counter: where were all y’all’s respect and interest and reflection and condolences then? Does seeing it in person simply make it more real?

by zoonews on Nov 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Unbelievably so.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

^

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Twist. Its much more real to see it. To see it for yourself is to have a 3D connection, which scientifically has been proven to create deeper sensations and memories.

Think of the Vietnam War, and the effect that seeing the war on tv through the lense of soldiers on the ground had on the American public.

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by dballisloose on Nov 9, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s not get into an in-person vs. on TV debate. I didn’t even watch it live, but when I saw that replay, my heart stopped. I think that no matter what, no matter where, whether you saw it from the sidelines, or read about it on Twitter (all afternoon, “Jahvid Best” was a trending topic), this was a difficult moment for all of us.

Right now, I’m just glad he’s alive, conscious, and moving.

by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Nov 9, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the difference in the stadium is that you also can see much of anything, many people are unsure exactly what happened, and you really don’t get much news.

by Tedfordisgod on Nov 9, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I can imagine being utterly terrified in the stands. I was fortunate, I suppose, to have been able to read the news reports soon after it happened. Today, reading the updates (and this post) has had me nearly in tears. I don’t know that I would have been able to stay through the end of the game had I been there.

by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Nov 9, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That wasn’t my point. My point was more about seeing it at all (whether in person or on tv is not so relevant) compared to just reading about it.

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by dballisloose on Nov 9, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t forget about the added effect of seeing it happen to someone who’s career you’ve been following and whose future you look forward to.

by Yes We Cannon on Nov 9, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now, now, lets not be arguin’ over ’oo killed ’oo.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Twist killed all of us.

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by dballisloose on Nov 10, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When Tim Tebow was motionless for ten minutes, it was frontpage news. I know Best isn’t Tebow, but come on.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I don’t judge the significance or insignificance of something by its treatment by the media. They are the ones creating the Tebow mythology, so of COURSE his triumphs and calamities will have disproportionate coverage. Meanwhile, roughly 3 football players (hs + ncaa + nfl) have DIED from heat stroke each year since 1995.

by zoonews on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Real Sports gets into these kinds of stories fairly regularly. It can make for a tough watch, and the issues are not easy to reconcile.

by zoonews on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree with you 100%. I was lamenting how quickly basically any sports website is to reduce Best’s injury to a mere bullet point, when it’s out here making us all question our dedication to football.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

During the 2nd half...

I kept reassuring myself that basektball season was about to start. Alright!

Before the game, I had begun to question my future as a football team due to the Gladwell article. But I was kidding myself about something….to me, football had ALWAYS been a fun, but very negatively American vaguely fascist sport watched by people who didn’t seem to care about much else….but CAL FOOTBALL was something else entirely. It was glorious. It was beautiful…I mean, Strawberry Canyon in the Fall? It’s unbelievable.

When Jahvid hit the turf, all that changed. I woke up.

I’m not sure if I will go to the Arizona game. I might go just to support Jahvid and Cal.

I won’t buy season tix next year, but I’ll probably watch the games on TV, and I’ll probably still care.

I have a baby daughter due in late December. I wonder about the world she’s going to live in, and how violence will be treated.

I have a 13-year old son who wants to play football and who has been told he will not because it’s too dangerous. I have to ask myself: why is it too dangerous for my kid, but ok for Jahvid Best?

I love Cal football. I have loved it my whole life. I may never separate from it completely. But my view of football was changed when Jahvid crashed to the ground.

Ok, too emotional.
Go Bears tonight! I can’t wait to see what this basketball team can do….

by JeromeTheMetronome on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

haha, can you explain your handle?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's a quote from Gattaca

The main character, Jerome, could piss on command (because he was using another person’s urine to disguise his identity).

The doctor taking the sample commented “Jerome Jerome, the Metronome”.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's from Gattaca

but it’s also an ironic reference to how unique Jerome Randle is as a player (small, quick, flashy) but how metronome-like he is as a free-throw and 3-point shooter…

plus nothing rhymes with Jahvid

by JeromeTheMetronome on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I see.

You’re a dork.

But thank you for the response.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

a dork who likes Cal football??? I must be unique!

by JeromeTheMetronome on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you’re also Indian, then you’ll feel right at home with these dorks who like Cal football and are, predominantly, Indian.

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by dballisloose on Nov 9, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I should caveat, I’m not Indian and they still make me feel at home here, in spite of my non-Indianness. Nobody’s perfect, they tell me.

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by dballisloose on Nov 9, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Especially not those Indians.

by Yes We Cannon on Nov 9, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

god i hate indians

dboneisloose

by HolmoePhobe on Nov 9, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

INDIAN SELF-LOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAATHING!!!!!!!!!!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 9, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

would make for an excellent Bollywood film....

Fear And Self-Loathing in New Delhi

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by dballisloose on Nov 9, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, I’m the dork?

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I think I am

Not you. You just explained my dorkiness

by JeromeTheMetronome on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, I really liked Gattaca.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that the movie with the guy who can pee on command? Jerome, or something?

by Yes We Cannon on Nov 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t tell if you’re joking or just didn’t read the posts above this.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, is it?

by Yes We Cannon on Nov 9, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t tell if you’re joking or just ignore every Rishi post ever.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 9, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone else see a blank space between this post and my last response to Rishi?

by Yes We Cannon on Nov 9, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and we have the SBN staff working on it immediately, ok? I know there have been some problems since we the recent changes, so please be patient. Thanks.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 9, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There it is again.

by Yes We Cannon on Nov 9, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

one of my favorite movies!!!

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by BearStage on Nov 9, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Growing up in Marin, I used to drive by the Marin Civic Center (the Frank Lloyd Wright building that was used as the outdoor set for the main building in the movie) all the time. Kinda ruined my suspension of disbelief, cause I knew that instead of cool science buildings, there were just courtrooms and a public library inside. Otherwise, though, I really liked that movie too.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Nov 10, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I read those articles about a month ago, and all I have been able to think about while watching games since then is the players’ safety. Before I read anything about concussions, and young men having the brains of dementia patients, etc. I always just worried about “those poor guys” down on the field, because to me (an ex-ballerina relatively new to this whole world of contact-sports), it all looks bad. Every hit, every helmet-on-helmet collision, every dog pile looks intense to me, and I’ve always been shocked that these guys are able to do it day after day without dying.

After reading the articles, it’s been even tougher for me to watch. Yes, for the most part, it is their choice to play the game. And yes, they know they can get hurt. But to me, these guys are just kids. Kids who probably made the decision to start playing the game when they were even younger kids. And while I enjoy football, I wish it could be played without such tough hits. To me, the risk just does not outweigh the reward.

by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Nov 9, 2009 3:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You probably wouldn’t have that attitude if you had played full-contact ballet.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Full contact ballet sounds like the setup for a bad porn.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure there’s some sort of protection involved…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is one nutcracker you don’t want to be a part of.

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by Rishi on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hiyoooooo

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I’m heartened to read so many of you sharing my concerns and doubts and questions about football. How can I love a game so much that hurts people so much? Am I somehow like a Roman watching slave killing?

I’m struggling with whether I can continue to put so much time and concern into a sport that does this to people. I’ve read the concussion articles here and jesus they are scary. Wouldn’t want that to happen to these bright young men. Even though I know some of them may choose it anyway, I still don’t want it. It’s like young men being enthusiastic to join the army and not thinking otherwise until they find themselves in combat.

Anyway, it’s all been said here on this post so no need to repeat. But I am another person who is struggling with my views on football.

by Calbear91 on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Shouldn't we be more angry

at the coaching staff?

A “mild” concussion diagnosed 3 days before the game? And he was still allowed to play?

 
Then again, I played football for 6 years – 2 years of Jr All American 4 years of high school. Had 2 concussions and wasn’t allowed to drink water in practice until my JV year in high school – you know, because dehydration made you tougher. We also got salt tablets.

still bitter….

by Lee Stevens' Potential on Nov 9, 2009 4:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I’m surprised that players are allowed to play so soon after even “mild” concussions.

by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Nov 9, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if you want to be angry at our coaching staff then you should be angry with the entire sport. And maybe with the limits of medical science too. Because I’m fairly sure that they didn’t do anything abnormal here.

by zoonews on Nov 9, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Yeah, that’s what I meant. I don’t agree that the coaches are to blame; I was agreeing that it’s crazy that they’re allowed to play so soon after a concussion, however mild. I’m not really angry…just confused. And disappointed, I suppose. I certainly don’t have the answer, but the article in GQ had interesting things to say about old school helmets vs. today’s helmets. “Better” helmets won’t make players safer, they’ll just make them think they can play harder.

by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Nov 9, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the whole game should be played with each player in a hamster ball.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

re: old-timey helmets

I did read the GQ article, but disagree strongly that going backwards to less safe helmets in hopes that players will be more careful is the answer. I think the safer the helmet the better. I also think raised awareness of the long-term damage of brain trauma is better than exposing everyone’s heads more in the hopes that they will not play as hard. And I am for stricter penalties for risky play that tends to lead to injuries. I do think better helmets could make players safer, especially if they are not foolhardy. Any player, even the more cautious ones, can end up on the unlucky end of a bad fall/hit/tackle/trip/dogpile, etc.

by kittwin on Nov 9, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh lordy no

Going back to leather caps on the heads would be awful…the game today is simply different. But I also think that making a “safer” helmet isn’t the answer. I can’t think of a good analogy right now, but I don’t think that giving players the illusion of safety is going to make anything better. I think the problem lies in the nature of today’s football game/rules/expectations of players/etc. Players are expected to man up and get back in the game with injuries…it just seems like player health/safety is not a top concern. A better helmet would certainly cushion the blow a bit, but like the science says, “you could have padding that’s a foot thick. It’s not going to change the acceleration/deceleration phenomenon.” (Never thought I’d be getting science from GQ!)

I think the solution is more along the lines of “taking the head out of the game” – changing the rules to discourage so much injury-causing activity. Unrealistic?

by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Nov 9, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think a safer helmet can be part of the answer, is all I’m saying. If football helmets are used as “weapons,” I would think that “padding a foot thick” might help the other players, especially in a helmet-to-helmet situation. I don’t think you can just dismiss equipment improvements as not being able to help this situation. I get the illusion of safety argument, but I think it is a slippery slope. I agree we can and should increase awareness and try to change the culture over time, but I still think you get guys out there in an important, close game, and a lot of them will not be thinking about what their brains will be like in their mid- to late-40s.

by kittwin on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It may look silly, but why not follow the Mark Kelso model?

It looks silly and not nearly as cool as the sleek helmets they wear now, but I imagine these kind of helmets would help reduce brain damage.

Also, I read this idea somewhere else, so I’m spreading it, not taking credit for it.

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by Rishi on Nov 10, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But the article intimated that more padding or better helmets still wouldn’t stip brain trauma.

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by BearStage on Nov 10, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really? I read that article and I didn’t get that….

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by Rishi on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/200909/nfl-players-brain-dementia-study-memory-concussions?currentPage=6

"Look, there was a seminal study published by the University of Oklahoma two years ago. They put accelerometers, which measure acceleration, in the helmets of University of Oklahoma players. And they documented the g-force. So we know the g-force for a football player being knocked out is about sixty to ninety g’s. To compare, a fighter pilot will pass out at five or six g’s, but that’s over a long period of time. These football g-forces are just a few milliseconds, very brief—boom! And they found that in the open field, the dramatic cases of a receiver getting blindsided is about one hundred g’s. It knocks them out. Very dramatic, everybody sees it. But the linemen? They were actually getting twenty to thirty g’s on every play. Because they start out and they bang heads. Every play.

"Helmets are not the answer. The brain has a certain amount of play inside the skull. It’s buoyed up in the cerebral spinal fluid. It sits in this fluid, floats. When the head suddenly stops, the brain continues, reverberates back. So when I hit, boom, my skull stops, but my brain continues forward for about a centimeter. Boom, boom, it reverberates back. So you could have padding that’s a foot thick. It’s not going to change the acceleration/deceleration phenomenon. And a lot of these injuries are rotational. The fibers get torn with rotation. You’ve got a face mask that’s like a fulcrum sitting out here: You get hit, your head swings around. That’s when a lot of these fibers are sheared—by rotation. A helmet can’t ever prevent that.

"And have you seen helmets lately? In the old days of football, you had this leather cap to protect your ears. That was it. You’d never put your head in the game. You’d be knocked out after the first play! Even in the ’60s, the helmet was a light shell. The modern helmet is like a weapon.

by Yes We Cannon on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh. Thanks.

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by Rishi on Nov 10, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well from my elementary psychology and from reading that article it seems like brain trauma is because the brain slaps against your skill (which actually has rough edges!). The brain is sort of suspended in the middle of your skull and when your skull stops moving (i.e. get hit) momentum carries your brain forward into impact with the skull. Thus no amount of padding is going to stop the brain from moving. Unless you stick the padding into the skull.

If I’m wrong, I’d appreciate it if any of the docs here can fix the mistake

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 10, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the problem

We don’t know the implications, but we’re not erring on the side of caution.

In any case, I think if a concussion is diagnosed on Thursday, you can’t play Sunday.

by Lee Stevens' Potential on Nov 9, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've thought about such a rule...

and would like there to be a much more conservative approach.

My only concern would be whether this might make players less likely to inform coaching/medical staff about potential “mild” concussions, knowing that such a disclosure could cause them to miss a game. I suspect more players would try to self-diagnose it as just “getting your bell rung” or something that would not necessitate having to tell someone about it.

by calgbear on Nov 9, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a really interesting point, and one that I think can be applied to current “rules” anyway. Players return to games after getting dizzy or seeing stars, which may actually be mild concussions. I don’t see how a game of football could be played if every player that got hit so hard he saw stars for a minute had to sit out the rest of the game…but I don’t see how it’s healthy for them to keep playing either.

by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Nov 9, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dude, another good handle! thank god most people don’t sign up as

Bear_Bear related word_the year they graduated.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

CalBear81 is not amused.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 9, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pope shit in the woods?

The Lack of Mack's Imposition Attacks My Disposition.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 9, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Or else the blog will collapse into the ether?

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by Avinash on Nov 9, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I <3 ether

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by carp on Nov 9, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this.

We don’t know how to assay the brain as well as we should. Keep that in mind when you want to vote for a Republican president.

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by carp on Nov 9, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you really just bring politics into this?

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by Rishi on Nov 10, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s really nothing political about it.

Dems = more $ for NIH/NSF/DOE (aka research).

Bushy torched our asses.

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by carp on Nov 10, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He was just one Repub, he didn’t speak for all of them.

Just let it go.

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by BearStage on Nov 10, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure that when your party nominates you to be their presidential candidate…

dboneisloose

by HolmoePhobe on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh, wrong threat to bring politics into…..

Come on.

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by Rishi on Nov 10, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I totally brought up the topic.

dboneisloose

by HolmoePhobe on Nov 10, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m totally ending the topic.

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by Avinash on Nov 10, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

PERSONAL ATTACK!

dboneisloose

by HolmoePhobe on Nov 10, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lee Stevens, you had so much potential.

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by dballisloose on Nov 9, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think we should jump to conclusions on whether or not Jahvid should have been playing. Honestly, the coaches aren’t doctors either. When the players’ doctor says that they can play, I don’t know that it is the coaches’ duty to second-guess that decision.

by Tedfordisgod on Nov 9, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Concussion awareness needs to be taught from an early age. I have plenty of friends who have gotten concussions over the past 2 years. I have one friend who, last year, got one for sure and missed a few games, and he is pretty sure he got another one but he did not tell anyone because he wanted to play. The dangers of concussions for football players should be instructed before they even get pads.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Nov 9, 2009 7:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There was a piece on NPR about that, actually. I think it’s a good idea, and a pretty obvious one. I can’t believe it’s not more heavily ingrained in young football players’ training (though I can’t speak to that, as the Women’s Huddle is the closest I’ve ever come to an actual football practice). Could there somehow be a way to force players to admit when they’ve had a concussion? Somehow? Maybe by reinforcing that playing is not more important than health? I just don’t see that working…

by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Nov 9, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Scary shit man. Hope everything’s okay.

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by Avinash on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We’ll know if he’s got damage if he posts the same story 2-3 times.

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by dballisloose on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny you should mention that. Apparently I kept saying the EXACT same phrases over and over again, including, “I’m concussed” and “This is most disconcerting.” Allegedly I also recited my social security number upwards of 20 times in four or five hours to prove that my memory was working just fine. I kind of wish I had some video.

by dchu on Nov 10, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hi Bears,

I’m an Oregon State fan (just finished 7 years there recently) but I decided to register so I could post on this topic. It’s heartening to see such a sincere conversation on this topic. I watched the game on TV, both amazed and relieved that Best only suffered a concussion and nothing worse. That GQ article posted earlier was interesting yet unsettling. I never knew there were such long-term effects for some players.

The reason I’m writing is that this thread made the incident more personal for me. I admit that when news came down that Jahvid was okay (well, relatively “okay” – you know what I mean) I chalked it up to another football injury, albeit an exceptionally bad one, hoped for a quick recovery, and continued watching. But reading this got me thinking.

Someone asked:
“The difference that being a Cal fan makes…..would other fans have reacted the same way to this incident that we have?”

To which someone else replied “Absolutely not. I’m really disappointed that such a situation is taken so lightly. Best’s injury for us has us questioning the game of football. Every other sports website has reduced it to a bullet point.”

Well, first I took a little offense at that because it seemed to imply that non-Cal fans are just insensitive brutes. To the contrary, if Jacquizz Rodgers had been in Best’s position, I have absolutely no doubt that most of Beaver Nation would be just as disturbed about the whole thing as everyone here is. Then it hit me: the player being on your team really makes everything different on an emotional level. You suddenly empathize in another way and it becomes personal. I mean, we follow these students’ athletic achievements, watch their interviews, and some of us are familiar with them in person (I had one of last year’s players in a class I was TA-ing.) Imagining watching this unfold from the sideline to someone you have a personal connection to, even if a small one, was pretty jarring for me.

I don’t know if that made any sense or had a clear point… but I just had to write. I feel about as conflicted as the next guy here.

by scotty256 on Nov 10, 2009 2:01 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I appreciate your thoughts and look forward to seeing you around more.

Honestly, I believe that the person who said Only Cal Fans Are Like This was talking a bit too much with his ego. I’m sure even the assholest USC fans would have had a Come To Jesus moment if Reggie Bush had had a similar accident.

But, Scotty246, I am sure we can all agree that Oregon fans wouldn’t have. Because they are evil, soul-less automatons sent back in time to annoy us all.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 10, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you are, in fact, referring to me, I’m not saying “only Cal fans would react to an injury to their player this way”. All I said that, the sports media has been underreacting to this injury.

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by Rishi on Nov 10, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I believe that the person who said Only Cal Fans Are Like This was talking a bit too much with his ego.

I mean, it WAS Rishi…

dboneisloose

by HolmoePhobe on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you are, in fact, referring to me, I’m not saying "only Cal fans would react to an injury to their player this way". All I said that, the sports media has been underreacting to this injury.

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by Rishi on Nov 10, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are we quoting everything now? I could really use a sandwich from gregoire

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 10, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was just pointing to HP that I had already given a defense above.

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by Rishi on Nov 10, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i’m just fucking around

The Lack of Mack's Imposition Attacks My Disposition.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 10, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So you really don’t want a sandwich?

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by Rishi on Nov 10, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I do

The Lack of Mack's Imposition Attacks My Disposition.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 10, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You should make this a fanpost

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by Rishi on Nov 10, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great, you made me think of Gregoire and now I’m hungry.

dboneisloose

by HolmoePhobe on Nov 10, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This Gregoire?

Now back to our regularly scheduled program, Indians Fight about Politics!
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by CBKWit on Nov 10, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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