Cal @ Arizona State Post-Game Thoughts
(1) Story of the game: Bad Execution Everywhere. Fumbles. Penalties. Dropped passes. Un-sustained blocks. Poor tackling. Poor recognition of offensive plays by defensive players. Poor passes. Bad playcalling. Missed field goals. This game was ugly and scary. How appropriate since it was on Halloween. While a lot of complaining has been made about the defense, and the offense, things would be a lot different if the players just executed and all won their individual player battles.
(2) Cal played sloppy and deserved some of those penalties, but ASU got some calls which they shouldn't have. Tepper's hands to the head call? Totally deserved. Jones' facemask penalty on his deep sideline go route? Totally deserved. But Conte's pass interference call? That was a bunch of crap. Receivers and defenders have equal right to the ball. Conte played the ball, and it just so happened that the ASU WR ran his route right into Conte. That should not have been a penalty. Miller's holding call? More bs. I can understand that to the ref who threw the flag that it might have looked like holding based on the way the defender fell down, but Miller didn't hold. It seemed like due to the sloppy nature of the game, that the refs were even more ticky tacky and threw even more flags. I don't remember a single call going against ASU that shouldn't have. But there were definitely at least two flags on Cal that shouldn't have been flags. I don't mind losing games with fair penalizing, but I hate it when a loss is aided by the help of incorrect flags from the refs.
(3) Riley's best *passing* game of perhaps his career. This game was perhaps the best passing game of Riley's career. Aside from one pass that should have been intercepted, and another missed easy swing pass to Best (if I recall correctly) he was incredibly in the zone - especially on that final drive. On that final drive, ASU was pretty aggressive in their defense by sending five to six pass rushers every other down. Riley recognized the blitz, and got the ball out quickly (when the offense is facing a blitz, the ball has to come out fast). If I had to give a grade for Riley's passing, I'd probably give him an A- or so.
But, as for Riley's *overall* grade, that's different. Riley did scramble around when needed to extend plays and make some great throws. But he also had three very unfortunate fumbles. I do realize that the pass blocking was not excellent, but the ball must be protected. Either get rid of the ball quickly, cover up and take the sack, or cover up and run. Riley's overall grade for this game is probably more in the B range due to his fumbles, and a delay of game penalty. But on the whole, Riley did a pretty good job managing the game.
(4) Riley comes with good and bad. The good: plays like the scramble in the 4th quarter on a 1st and 25 for a 26 yard completion to Marvin Jones. Having a QB who is a bit of a gambler can lead to awesome plays like this. The bad: plays like the 3rd and 2 playaction bootleg where Riley tried to dump the ball off to a receiver but instead put the ball right into the chest of an ASU linebacker - who miraculously dropped the easy interception. The way Riley plays, we can definitely expect to see some great and spectacular plays we haven't seen for the past few years with Longshore as our QB, but we should also be prepared to see some bad plays that we rarely saw for the past few years with Longshore as our QB.
(5) Riley comes with more fumble risks. This point is sort of related to the previous point. Riley is more prone to fumbling. This has to do with the way he carries the ball in a collapsing pocket. But also because he doesn't always get the ball out when the pocket is collapsing. I'm sure I'm not the only one that was a bit surprised to see Riley fumble. To me it was a surprise because it's something that we never really saw for the past three years. Why is that? Well, Longshore was great at getting the ball out quickly - even against a collapsing pocket. Therefore, the ball was rarely in his hands to get popped out for a fumble. But Riley is a different QB. He hangs on to the ball longer to make a play. With his style, we should expect a greater chance of QB fumbles. This is just another one of those bads that comes with this style of QB.
(6) ASU might have made a tactical error on Cal's final drive by sending five and six pass rushers over half the time. Prior to that final drive, ASU was doing a pretty good job getting pressure on Riley with just four pass rushers. They'd often send five pass rushers and get even more pressure, but they seemed to be doing just fine with four pass rushers. Yet on that final drive, they seemed to be a bit more aggressive than normal, and I think it was a mistake. By dropping more defenders into coverage, the QB will often have to hold on to the ball longer. Since ASU's pass rush was fairly effective, why not just drop seven into coverage, force Riley to hold onto the ball longer, and let your pass rush get to him? He already showed the penchant to fumble this game. But instead, ASU went a bit more aggressive than normal. They played man coverage, and without that seventh or sixth defender, the secondary opened up. Riley had space to make easy mid-range throws - mid-range throws that he didn't really have tons of room to throw earlier. Riley absolutely torched the ASU defense on their blitzes. Riley did a great job reading the blitzes, the coverage, getting the ball out quick, and placing the ball. I'm not defensive coordinator, but after it became apparent that Riley was getting the ball out quickly, the last tactic you want to do is to send more pass rushers. You're basically setting yourself up for death. I mean, it's essentially the same as blitzing the QB when you know the offense is going to run a screen. You just don't do it.
(7) Ezeff was not really at fault for ASU's 80 yard touchdown pass; Conte was at fault. I think there is a lot of blame getting pasted onto Ezeff for that touchdown. It sure looked like Ezeff was at fault. But he substantially wasn't. Here's what Gregory had to say about that play:
We were in a two-deep. It probably wasn’t the best call in the world. It was first down and we were taking a shot because they had run it a bit on first down. It was a play-action pass and we lost our middle linebacker and we also lost our backside safety on the play-action pass. They kind of jumped at the run a little bit quick as opposed to playing back a litlle bit. It was a combination of not great technique and I could have had a better call on first down.
Indeed, Gregory is correct. Cal was playing its 3-4 defense in a two deep - meaning Cal had two deep safeties each covering 1/2 of the field. This is not to be confused with a Cover-2 defense. A Cover-2 defense involves all zone coverage. But a two-deep implies that there are two deep defenders and the rest of the coverage is not zone coverage. Gregory, being the football expert he is (I know many Cal fans may dispute this), clearly made this distinction. If you look at the play, you'll see that indeed, Cal is playing two-deep and man coverage. Both Conte and Syd are locked up in man coverage. What happens is that Conte reads run, and bites down on the playaction, leaving his the WR that he is supposed to be covering completely undefended. The Cal safety to that side of the field (the "backside safety" that Gregory is referring to), presumably Cattouse or Brett Johnson, leaves his deep 1/2 of the field and jumps down to defend the wide open WR that Conte left unguarded. This opens up the deep 1/2 of the field opposite of Ezeff - which is NOT Ezeff's primary responsibility. The ASU WR whom the pass was thrown to ran a deep post which ran him right into Cattouse/Johnson's deep 1/2 of the field. Had Cattouse/Johnson been there, the play might have been broken up. Cattouse/Johnson probably would have been there if Conte hadn't been sucked up by the playaction.
Conte's error, caused Cattouse/Johnson to cover Conte's man, causing a hole in Cal's deep coverage, which resulted in a touchdown. It only takes one mistake by one player to cause a domino effect. This touchdown goes against Conte, not Ezeff.
(8) Riley doesn't come off the field during wildbear because it tips off the defense of the impending play. The Marshawnthusiasts talked about this in last week's podcast. It's been suggested left and right by many, and including me at one point, that perhaps Cal should just put a RB, TE, or WR out there instead of Riley. This makes sense if Cal isn't going to pass. But if Ludwig subs out Riley for wildbear, the defense will be notified of the impending play. The defense's coaches in the coaching box watch the offense's substitutions so they know what personnel are on the field. By keeping Riley on the field for the wildbear plays, the defense doesn't know until they see the offense line up, whether the play is wildbear or just some other play (Cal can and does run its regular plays out of the wildbear personnel).
(9) The wildbear pass on 2nd down was a bad playcall. I've been debating this for a while now. At first I thought it was a bad call. Then I changed to a more neutral stance saying it just merely depends on how aggressive you want to be. But now I'm changing back to the bad playcall party. Here's why.
Cal gets a first and goal on the ASU 8 yard line with 1:29 remaining. The playclock runs down to about 1:12 remaining at the snap of the ball on first down. The playclock resets at 40 seconds when there are 1:03 seconds of game time remaining. Had Cal ran the ball on 2nd down, instead of passing, the clock could have been milked down to about 24 seconds. Then Cal would have faced a 3rd down (assuming they don't score on the 2nd down run). Assuming ASU doesn't take their timeout (even if they did Cal could still milk the clock down on the subsequent play), Cal can center the ball on 3rd down, and then call a timeout with 3 seconds remaining. Cal can then kick the field goal to win the game and ASU never gets the ball back.
Now, proponents of the second down passing wildbear play say that the touchdown would have put the game away. This is only half true. A touchdown would have made the game a 26-21 Cal lead. Regardless of whether Cal gets the two point conversion or not, it requires ASU to get a touchdown to win the game or tie the game. While a touchdown is harder to get than a field goal - which seems to be the crutch of the argument for fans who support the second down passing play, this argument fails because it gives the ball back to ASU with time remaining on the clock. That result is undesirable and it is the last thing you want to do because ASU can potentially score again to win the game or tie the game. Had Cal milked the clock down, they could have kicked the game winning field goal as time expired without ASU ever getting the ball back. Even if ASU had taken a timeout somewhere in those final four plays, Cal still would have been able to milk the clock down to 3 seconds for one final field goal.
I understand that many Cal fans like to see "going for the jugular" playcalling by Ludwig or more aggressive playcalling, but that 2nd down playcall was the incorrect playcall and there is no valid argument otherwise. It's not that the playcall was bad because it was going for the jugular or because it was aggressive, it was a bad playcall because it disrupted the clock management and timing of the game. Cal could have won the game without giving ASU back the ball, but instead Cal attempted to win the game with giving ASU one more possession. This is an unnecessary risk. As Cal fans, who are constantly reminded of crazy shit like The Play, we all know that crazy stuff can happen. You don't want the other team getting the ball back at all. Ludwig's pass out of the wildcat was one of the worst playcalls of this year; hands down, no ifs, ands or buts about it.
(10) That specific wildbear pass play can only be used in goalline situations. That specific wildbear pass play can only be used in goalline situations. Why goalline situations? Because since the offense is so close to the defense's goalline, the defense has to heavily play the run as since they can't give up any yardage. Since the defense is playing the run so heavily, it sucks in the linebackers towards the line of scrimmage pretty quickly and thus allows for easy passes over the top. Furthermore, because the play occurs at the back of the endzone, the ball can easily fall out of play for an incompletion lessening the chances of an interception. Had the offense used this play somewhere else, such as at midfield, it would not have been effective at all since the defense doesn't need to play the run as heavily. Also, tipped balls are more likely to be intercepted at midfield since there is no out of bounds immediately behind the intended receiver.
I am very glad Ludwig does have a passing play installed. I hope he has more. I have been advocating for passing out of the wildbear for a few weeks now. Obviously, that particular 2nd down playcall is only really good for goalline situations, but there are perhaps a few other ways to pass out of wildbear where the offense doesn't need to be a few yards away from the defense's endzone. I hope to see a few of those here and there.
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Thanks for number 7
It seems that Ezeff has taken a little bit of a beating from some fans. I, too, got sucked into the thought process that Ezeff had somehow made a mental error.
Praise be to Tedford!
Didn’t Johnson (or perhaps Cattouse) also take a terrible angle and miss the initial tackle that would have limited the damage?
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I am very glad Ludwig does have a passing play installed. I hope he has more.
I’m on record in other threads as disagreeing with the Wildbear pass play on Saturday. But a positive to take out of it (other than the obvious positive that we didn’t screw it up and won the game) is that other teams know we have a pass option out of the Wildbear, at least in goal line situations. Defenses might have to think about that now? If so, it will hopefully enhance our running game out of the Wildbear.
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I’d like to see us run the option out of the WildBear in one of those situations where our personnel includes two tailbacks (either Best/Vereen or Vereen/Sofeli). Direct snap to Vereen with Best or Isi as a halfback. Run it once as an option and then, after the defense is looking for it, run all types of other plays out of the same look.
by Tony Macaroni on Nov 4, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
we have run the zone read play from that formation
a few times.
both with best as the qb and vereen as the qb.
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Any take on Tipoti at NT? Has he now jumped Payne on the depth chart? Is lack of depth at NT one of the reasons ASU seemed to have better success with the run in the 2H?
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Well, I think he moved up on the depth chart because Payne hasn’t been able to practice until recently. Yeah, I’m sure both guys were fairly gassed at the end without that extra sub, but I think it was the entire defense was at fault for the greater success. It wasn’t a big fault though, since it’s not like they gashed us. They just finally punched one in. Th did a great job after Giorgio missed his first 4th qtr FG.
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I think he moved up on the depth chart because Payne hasn’t been able to practice until recently.
That’s pretty much the reason. In the limited time I’ve focused on Tipoti, he holds his ground and more than often pushes the center back. I don’t recall double teams, but I’ll keep an eye out for it.
#7: If you’re one of only two guys on the field responsible for man coverage, that’s a pretty bad mistake by Conte to bite on a play fake, isn’t it? Do your job first, and let your teammates do theirs. Maybe he thought he actually was playing zone?
#9: The clock-management argument is the one that almost gets me to agree with you, Hydro. But your analysis makes one assumption: that the field goal is automatic. The potential reward of the touchdown thus isn’t that you take a more-than-a-field-goal’s lead, since there would be no time left on the clock under your scenario. Instead, the potential reward was not having to rely on your kicker (and holder, snapper, et al.) to convert under pressure. Given that Giorgio had already missed twice from pretty short distance, and given that blocked/missed kicks are far more common in college than in the NFL, I wouldn’t fault any coach for doing whatever he could to avoid relying solely on the field goal. This gamble came with a small reward, indeed: hedging against the small-but-non-zero chance of a botched kick. But I also believe the risk was small. Very unlikely to have an interception on that play, because of the proximity of the back of the end zone, and perhaps not very much more likely than a fumble by Vereen trying to stretch the ball over the goal line had he run the ball instead. The bigger risk was giving the ball back to ASU, which I’ll admit was non-trivial.
With the conference championship and/or Rose Bowl berth at best a pipe dream now, Cal’s playing with house money, so I say go for it. Were Cal still undefeated, then I’d probably agree with you that this was not a risk worth taking.
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by California Pete on Nov 4, 2009 8:03 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Points 5 and 6 seem partly contradictory of each either. If Riley can get rid of the ball due to blitz pressure, he should also be able to get rid of the ball due to a collapsing pocket. I only say partly since downfield coverage will change for blitz vs. just good d-line play. And I thought his fumbles were as related to his poor handling of the ball as much as anything else — two hands, please.
I disagree on point 10. While it’s true that defenders will be close to the line when Cal is near the end zone, there’s only so much real estate for the pass to be completed within. However, it’s possible to re-create the closeness of the defenders by getting them to bite on the run, and that can happen anywhere on the field.
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I think that the wildbear pass is probably more effective in goal line situations, but I don’t see why it absolutely cannot be used from other field positions.
by atomsareenough on Nov 4, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed that you can “re-create the closeness of the defenders” in certain special situations like 4th and very short.
Sure, 4th and short you can recreate the closeness of defenders – somewhat. Defenders still have the rest of the field to defend. And they’re less likely to play the run as aggressively because giving up 1 yard means a first down, and not a touchdown. Ultimately, that specific wildbear pass play is most effective in goalline situations. It’s safer to run it in goalline situations too because there is less chance of interception due to the out-of-bounds line in the back of the endzone.
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wildbear pass
I agree with every point you make about clock management and not giving the ball back to ASU. It wasn’t the right call for the situation, but even still, it was refreshing to see the mentality behind the playcall, even if it would have been better served in some other situation, and therefore my criticism of the call is a bit muted.
The only saving grace of the wildbear pass was...
it’s a new problem for opposing D coaches. Does that change the call from an “F” to a “D”? No. It’s like an F+.
Good analysis, Hydro.
Let me take this opportunity to open old wounds, and beat dead horses.
I, too, thought Riley had one of his best passing days ever. It’s great to see him make some very high quality decisions and passes. In a close game, on the road, playing from behind.
This gives credence to my idea that he has high potential. And that much more weight to my argument that we SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLAYING HIM ALL LAST YEAR. Longshore was done, IMHO, as starter, and the controversy drove me nuts, and had the primary effect of holding back Riley from his needed development as a seasoned QB.
If Riley plays more, he gets to mature towards his full college potential. It sucks that we’re waiting until now to see some fruits of his maturity.
If he gets more time last year, he may be able to have worked more magic this year (I don’t know about beating Oregon, b/c you have to stop their offense, which is not Riley’s job), and even, dare I say, kept us in that game against USC. A better QB also helps WRs develop, b/c they get catches and not overthrows. Maybe the WRs could have risen up, maybe not. Maybe nothing.
But it is a missed opportunity, and we didn’t get rewards for playing that other QB, so I remain self-righteous: should have been Riley for much longer.
Silver-lining? If we had won 8 or 9 Pac-10 games this year, Riley would probably be going to the NFL. My money right now is on him staying, and I think he’ll be a top Pac-10 QB next year (with improved O line experience, 2nd year to learn Ludwig’s schemes, and only modest luck at WR position).
Tragically, I think Barkley, Luck, Foles and perhaps even some others will be carrying their Pac-10 teams to better seasons, so we’ll be going up but not CATCHING up.
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by JerrottWillard45 on Nov 4, 2009 12:12 PM PST reply actions
while everyone has their own opinion,
I want the coaches to focus this weeks players on winning this week ONLY!
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by Rocksanddirt on Nov 4, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sure, maybe Tedford was wrong to start Longshore at all last year. But then again Riley wasn’t exactly lighting it up last year either. Plus, you play for the current season, not the next season. So that’s another reason why Tedford might not have taken the “well screw 2008, I’m just going to start Riley for the rest of 2008 in preparation for 2009” approach.
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It’s not like winning 9 games in 2008 didn’t have great benefits either. Quotes I’ve read from recruits these last few years always talk about the consistency of the team these days (the consecutive Bowl wins being a good talking point)… If we put up back-to-back season with 8 wins or more, it’s easy to recruit guys based on the “we’re close to breaking through, and we think you can help us do that” point - which i think is one of the biggest draws for HS players (look at how well we recruited the two years following the 2004 season before the treesitter fiasco)
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Curious about something: Did you get a chance to speak with any of the players about their recruiting experiences when you were hydroteching?
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I never really spoke with any of the players about their recruiting experiences. I should have asked.
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2nd Topic: Running O, Ludwig, Playcalling
Hydro, can you talk more about the lapses in the running game and Ludwig’s playcalling for the middle of the game?
I was very pleased to see us come out so pass-happy at the beginning. I’d say that won the game for us. They challenged us to pass, we accepted the challenge, Riley and co. executed for two quick TDs. That turned out to be enough. I was worried we’d see the traditional Tedford “I’d like to establish the run no matter what” philosophy against what I correctly predicted to be a stout ASU run defense.
After the first two TDs, I’d argue we tried and failed to establish the run – but my non-detailed recollection was it was all between the tackles. It must not have been 100%, but what happened to the fly-sweep? Or any sweep? Or a toss or pitch to the outside. Or just a designed outside run utilizing Best’s speed? Was it just me or did Ludwig’s creativity disappear down a black hole until the 4th quarter? The wildbears all seemed up the middle to me as well. I’d say ASU had up the middle covered, so why didn’t we head outside after little success inside?
Running to the outside is not crazy aggressive (which I am prone to advocating). I just really want variety in the play-calling to keep the D guessing! Play-action and a MIX of runs to lots of different parts of the field would have been nice in Qs 2 & 3.
Enlighten me, oh studied one.
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by JerrottWillard45 on Nov 4, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions
Here are the plays on the drives following Cal's two TDs
starting around Cal’s own 20
1st & 10 – toss run right
2nd & 7 – run right
3rd & 5 – false start
3rd & 10 – sack
starting on Cal’s own 2
1st & 10 – run right
2nd & 8 – run right
3rd & 4 – pass play and Riley fumbles
starting on Cal’s own 31
1st & 10 – run right (defense offsides penalty)
1st & 5 – run left
2nd & 4 – playaction pass (vereen)
1st & 10 – option left (defense facemask penalty)
1st & 10 – pass (bad pass by Riley)
2nd & 10 – wildcat run
3rd & 4 – pass incomplete
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The above is a very simplified version of what I normally keep track of when I (have the time to) chart games. The points of attack on the runs were all towards the center of the defense, as opposed to the outside. There was only one toss play, and no fly sweeps. So yeah, you do have a point that the runs weren’t really spreading the defense out too much. I suppose Ludwig just wanted to test ASU inside – which would be right at Burfict. Perhaps Ludwig thought that was better than attacking outside. Maybe ASU plays the outside runs very well, I don’t know, I haven’t scouted ASU’s previous games.
The tendency for Cal’s offense to not really stretch runs to the outside on tosses, outside zones, and fly sweeps may be because the offensive line just isn’t quick or athletic enough to get outside and block. Cal used the outside zone runs a lot last year – it was probably our most used blocking scheme; however, this year we rarely use it. The reason we might use it less this year is because we lack the athletic offensive linemen such as Mack and Malele. If Cal isn’t using the outside zone this year due to inathleticism on the OL, then it sort of seems reasonable to think that we wouldn’t see a ton of other outside runs either.
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…. may be because the offensive line just isn’t quick or athletic enough to get outside and block. …The reason we might use it less this year is because we lack the athletic offensive linemen such as Mack and Malele.
Exactly. I would add in the loss of Tad Smith’s (and not so much Morrah’s) blocking as well. Ludwig just didn’t forget about the outside zone plays. There’s a reason for that and I think you nailed it.
I just ran into Giorgio Tavecchio
I was coming back to my dorm from class and I saw him at the corner of Durant and Telegraph. I went up to him and said, “Aren’t you Giorgio Tavecchio?” He said yes and shook my hand. I was too surprised to say anything better than, “Nice field goal, man.” Then he said, “Thanks, but sorry about the heart attacks along the way.” I just laughed and went on my way because he was talking to someone else before I butted in. I wish I had said more, but that was the first personal contact I’ve had with a professional athlete who appears on national television, and I guess I was too caught up in the moment.
Funny thing is, I had just bought a Spicy Italian sandwich at Subway.
Some random girl, she was asking him how practice was. I overheard that and turned around to see who it was. I expected some redshirt freshman I had never heard about, but alas, it was Little Italy. Speaking of which, he is pretty damn small. I think I was as tall as him, and I’m definitely heftier.
Riley's best?
In terms of total yards, definitely — only the 2nd time he’s passed 300 yards (the other being Maryland 2008). But in terms of PER (143.4), it was his 5th best game of 2009, only coming in ahead of the 2 losses. His career best PER was the Armed Forces Bowl, 255.2.
Yeah, but three of those games were blowouts and done by the second half. The other one Cal nursed a comfortable double digit lead. In terms of circumstance, this was Riley’s best performance by far.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 4, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, think how many games last year we didn't execute on the opening drive...
Especially on the road. It was great to see him come out and succeed right off the bat, and to stay cool and put us in a position to win with his arm on the final drive. Also recall the 2 dropped balls he threw perfectly. I want to give credit again to Ludwig for calling up all those pass plays at the start.
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by JerrottWillard45 on Nov 4, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
The quality of the opponent probably has to factor in too. Unlike the opponents we put up 40-50 points on, ASU’s D wasn’t allowing guys to get open deep, or allowing Jahvid Best to slice through them for spectacular TD runs. Riley actually had to string together real drives and beat a good defense methodically. That’s what makes this performance more impressive for me.
Mostly agree with you – I do think ASU’s run defense was stout. But ASU kind of stunk it up in various ways that made life easier on us, so I don’t want to claim we faced our strongest opponent in this game. One of the better defenses, but I’m not sure just how great they are overall. ASU’s record is pretty mediocre.
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by JerrottWillard45 on Nov 4, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Their record is pretty mediocre, but that is not due to their D. They have one of the greatest run D’s in the Pac10 and their pass D ain’t no slouch. Besides USC and Oregon (and perhaps even including them) this was one of Riley’s toughest tests.
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I just took the time to look at their schedule
They have done some nice D efforts. Gave up 33 to Stanford, 28 to Oregon State, and 20 to Georgia in their losses. No blowouts those.
Shall we reserve final judgment until we’ve seen the results of their upcoming games against Oregon, USC, and Arizona?
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by JerrottWillard45 on Nov 4, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Fine.
Predict the scores of our game and ASU’s game. And bet $100 on each. Now. :-)
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by JerrottWillard45 on Nov 4, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Question for HydroTech
How would you compare ASU’s defense in the last drive to Oregon’s & SC’s gameplan? It seemed that they also sent pressure on Riley. What it a lot different or was it a matter of execution?

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