Cal Men's BBall 11.24.09 Jacksonville Open Thread
Cal men's BBall looks to get back on track after a rough weekend in Madison Square Garden. They face the Jacksonville Dolphins. Which means a)hopefully Cal can win and b)people will make a wide variety of painfully unfunny Ragnarok-Dolphin jokes. I'm looking at you, Royrules.
Regarding a), the game is currently set as follows:
California Golden Bears (2-2) vs. Jacksonville Dolphins (0-1)
Tuesday, Nov. 24, 7:30 p.m. (PT), Haas Pavilion, Berkeley, Calif.
Radio: KFRC 1550 AM TV: None
There does not appear to be any TV, but you can watch it online here. The Jacksonville Dolphins official site breaks down the matchup here:
And they have some game notes (Caution: PDF) here. Keep an eye on Ben Smith, who was a pre-season Atlantic Sun Conference "Player Of The Year." He also writes for Politico.com, so hopefully he will be tired out from that. Use this as your Open Thread for the game. GO BEARS!
Regarding b), just stop it. Those jokes are so played.
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Free stream should be up at 7:30
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 6:35 PM PST reply actions
Oh, if this works....
….then YOU ROCK!!
I am in Rhode Island for the holiday and californiagoldenblogs was my only hope!
Can you believe it’s been 40 years since Toyota opened up on Shattuck and University?
NOBODY BEATS BERKELEY!
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
THEY NEVER HAVE AND THEY NEVER WILL!
GO BEARS!
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Mississippi
Did you hear about that thing with the KKK?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Mississippi has a handful of fans that make them look really bad (there were like 10 people, right?)
Just like Cal does.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
So, Thoroughrbed...
what say you now about our Madison debacle?
What say you about Monty’s ability to bring in the guys necessary for this team, his ability to make coaching adjustments, etc?
Or maybe you want me to just shut up and be happy with a top 30 team.
well, we didn’t lose to fullerton, portland, montana, lmu, sac state, san diego, tamu-cc, oral roberts, etc… that’s for sure
wait and see. he’s got quite the track record, and i don’t feel like he’s lost much of a step. it was just weird that he inherited a team that was so much different from his traditional looks. i think the size of the guards we brought in will be very helpful (it’s not like there are many teams that have crazy size in ncaa hoops)
i’m not here to stop you, but i feel it’s going to take to become an elite in Pac-10 (realistically, we could be seen as 2nd/3rd program in the Pac-10, I feel – UCLA will always have a better profile, just or not). it seems like the CA talent isn’t there until the 2012-2013 recruits, so we’ll see how we do as national recruiters until then. some very promising youngins in oakland tho
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
‘wait and see’ as in i’m withholding judgment as to how he performs in that area
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
yes, i guess you already answered me on this by throwing in the towell on the recruiting front vs. UCLA and Furd.
I guess I don’t necessarily buy that.
I think “Monty” and “Cal” has as good a profile as anyone.
So I get too frustrated….
well, year-to-year, any team in the Pac-10 can have the ‘best’ class. i just argue that we have to wait and see over a few years to judge the talent he brings in.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
But monty is no spring chicken – he’s got a somewhat shortened window and can’t go thru a huge rebuilding process. Gotta do it now.
it’s not like we signed a buncha scrubs! all were highly ranked (constituting the ‘17th ranked class’ so far), including a bouncy 6’8" forward. you only have so many scholarships per position! ryan anderson was 3 star.. etc etc
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Cal hoops preview on CSN California until 7:30
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions
How bout them Clips, baby? PLAYOFFS? Playoffs.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Please, MAC Tuesday football is on.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Ball State – Western Michigan:
GET SOME.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
From Faraudo
Talked briefly with Theo Robertson, who said several doctors have checked his MRI results and that he does not have a stress fracture in his right foot.
"Things are looking up," he said. "It’s nothing major."
Robertson missed both games at Madison Square Garden last week and will not face Jacksonville tonight at Haas Pavilion because of the injury. He said the pain in the upper portion of his right foot, just below the ankle, is about the same as it was last weekend, and isn’t sure when he’ll be ready to play again.
He’s unlikely to be ready by Sunday against Princeton, but it doesn’t appear the injury will keep him sidelined long-term.
"I’m tired of the injury thing," he said, alluding to surgeries on his hip the past two off-seasons.
Robertson was in street clothes, wearing a boot on his foot, while his teammates warmed up for Jacksonville. The senior small forward from De La Salle HS averaged 18 points in Cal’s first two games.
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COME ON THEO!

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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Happiness!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe why DJ hasn't seen much time
He’s had a pinky injury according to Bernstein and McKim
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Alternate universe!!!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't be surprised if they force him to drive rather than shoot 3s
Further we get in the season.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
maybe he shoot work on the 1/10 on FTs or whatever he is
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Roxie and McKim
Is this the first year McKim has called games with Roxie?
I recall past broadcasts thinking Roxie would sound a lot better and now I am thinking I was right. I like McKim’s voice in there.
Monty's bench rotation
Roxie says it’s a bad match up for Max so he’s not in the game? Give me a break. Monty should not be burning out players like Randle – that was an awesome assist by Seeley to Boykin!
Max sitting wouldn’t lead to Jerome playing more minutes. You couldn’t pick out more different players if you tried
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Jerome Randle and Robert Swift?
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
okay, that was not well said – max and Randle play opposite positions… my point was I want Monty to go deep into the bench against Jacksonville. I don’t want to see the starters play tons of minutes – Monty needs to find a way to get those guys rest and the 2nd tier on the floor. Of course, only PC and Boykin are in there now, and he needs to assure a victory above all else. loosing to JU would be really bad.
almost as bad as losing to sacramento state and loyola marymount =X
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
ha! bak bak is already in! and he’s already shooting!
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
BAK BAK BLOCK!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 8:13 PM PST reply actions
PRAISE BE TO BLOCK BLOCK!
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by norcalnick on Nov 24, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
According to Robert Thurman, Bak Bak is the Sudanese Comedian. I think these are going to be a fun four years.
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Wow, Bak and Zhang on the court at the same time? If Jacksonville gets an inside bucket I’ll be upset
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That wasn’t a fluke, dude had excellent halfcourt form.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
spoken like another guy who’s practiced it endlessly! (i have too)
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
I am a pretty solid halfcourt shooter and have practiced it way too much. Unfortunately, the only place I can dunk is in my dreams – but I seriously do have dreams about dunking pretty regularly.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting lineup selection down the stretch
Looks like Monty will be toying with it all OOC.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions
Especially if MSF keeps getting two fouls halfway through the 1st half
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i think he only has one this half
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
out of conference, i.e. everything before January.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Basketball
The six-man Golden State Warriors defeated the 10-3 Mavericks in Dallas, 111-103! I am pumped.
Okay, I’m here now.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions
Don Nelson’s revenge continues!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
you missed sustained Bak Bak action and a dude nailing a half court shot
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
a little indian dude to be exact. i bet he posts on CGB
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
by his tight fitting jean-clad friends!
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
At his wedding – it’s a “Bet You Didn’t Know This About Sammy…” He once made a half court shot during halftime of a nationally televised basketball game.
Hey – I’m on the other coast – this is national, this is world wide!
I think you mean “Bet You Didn’t Know This About Rahul” or “Bet You Didn’t Know This About Raj”
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I’m still trying to figure this one out. Little help?
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I guess I was initially confused about TBreds comments to fully understand why they might cause Fat23’s reaction. What is TBred referring to?
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Whats a “Bet You Didn’t Know This About Sammy”
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A game where his friends embarrass and surprise him with old stories at his wedding. Think you on gameday with Rags.
Dang
I’ll listen to the second half and hope he goes for the full-court shot.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Here's a fun topic...
at the expense of others….
Who was the worst recruit of the Ben Braun era. Can’t count players who never played due to injury (Sam Rayburn from Portland doesn’t county).
LeonPowe, where are you?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
i had a class with Sam.
He was… tall
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
was his knee issue legit? Or did they realize he couldn’t dunk?
I always thought that was funny – Jordi Geli also got the “medical scholarship” excuse, too. Like, we saw he sucked the prior season and would never get any PT.
It seems that if a coach brings in a shitty recruit, they can get out of it by feigning an injury. Braun used that back to back.
It was his freshman year, so I’m not sure. that said, he didn’t look too athletic
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
I think that Sam’s injury was legit. He was a supposed to be a pretty talented player. Jordi on the other hand I wouldn’t e so sure about.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Marquise Kately and Dominic McGuire come to mind because they came in with Ubaka and Powe, but both washed out and/or transferred and/or couldn’t cut it academically, thus ruining a potentially special class
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Dom McGuire went on to play in the NBA!
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
No, I’m going to hold this to athletic, playing, talent. Not other issues. Paris flunked out, too, by the way.
I took an easy 2 unit class for fun one time, and the professor had us pick up our midterms from a big, alphabetical pile. Kately’s name is close to mine in the ABCs, so I happened to see his grade.
It was…shockingly bad. Like, statistically unlikely bad. At the time I really hoped it was just a bad day or something. Turns out, probably not. Alas.
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Man, off the top of my head – Martin Smith probably had the worst skills, Kately and McGuire did the least with their talent, and Donte Smith was the most misused by Braun.
Also, it probably is unfair to count the numerous guys who committed and then were released from their scholarships.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
like who?
also – Verneisel came in and was 4 for 4 from 3 his first game, and then nothing after that but playing time.
he was pretty good at playing horrible defense while running games at the gym
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Kennedy Winston was the big one. He signed, but then got tons of pressure to stay home in Alabama, and Braun let him out of his commitment. He claimed to have a sick mother – which seemed really suspect at the time (I have no idea if it was true or not). He was a five-star player, so it left a pretty big hole.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Winston's mom
word was she had cancer and it was the humanitarian thing to do – Braun had his hands tied. How can you hold the scholarship if the kid will miss his mom’s last year of life?
He ended up being a really good player for Bama in the end.
Who was that guy from Hawaii that bounced around to a number of teams, was at USF at one point? Sensey?
doing pretty well in euroleague too
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Julian Sensley. I think his problem was academic, right?
Yeah, and I never really followed up with the Winston story much afterwards – but I do remember that in addition to whatever was going on with his mom, there were rumors all along that he was getting a ton of non-family pressure to stay in Alabama as well. At the time Bear Insider (Cyberbears back then) being the only source of this type of info, I just remember a lot of people thought non-humanitarian things were the real reason. Ultimately, he probably is the only person who knows the real story.
Obviously, a tough situation all-around and obviously, if a kid’s mom has cancer you have to let them go. Unfortunately, I think a lot of other coach’s would make them burn a year to get out of the scholarship. Braun was nothing if not a nice guy.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Sensley played in the D-League
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
and did well at Hawaii (after going from Iona to community college)
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
And apparently on the German National Team
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Seems like there must be an interesting backstory to that.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
gee, I thought you were joking about the german thing. i know that Clipper suddenly got citizenshhip so he could play for them in the Olympics b/c his grandparents were german, but that was 2 generations ago. I found on Ancestry.com that my gg grandparents came from Switzerland and Germany in the 1800’s. I wanted to see if I could get German passport so I could work in Euro-zone.
Oops, he was a walk-on who only got a scholarship for his senior year. I now feel bad for insulting him.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
Faraudo recaps
HALFTIME: Cal leads 36-19. Everybody is playing in this one. Bak has four points — all from the free throw line — along with a rebound and a blocked shot. Randle, Christopher and Amoke each have seven points for Cal, which is shooting 48 percent, but just 1-for-7 from the 3-point line. Jacksonville not putting up much of a fight — 27.6 percent from the field with 11 turnovers. Best moment of the first half: Some Cal student just won a free airline ticket by making a half-court shot. Jacksonville may want to sign this guy at halftime.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
What a 2 on 1 break
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions
Funny
That’s just what the Mavericks thought tonight!
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Gutierrez
I believe I saw him dunk once.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah Cal cheerleaders!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 8:45 PM PST reply actions
Seeley needs to work on his passing...
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 8:49 PM PST reply actions
seemed to be just fine passing it to LeBron Jr…
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Boykin to Max
That’s the play we need! Boykin is smart and big enough to make that pass from the high post. That’s good coaching. Found a way to get Max into the O. Watch out Pac10 !!!
MSF still on the bench – has he played this half?
Christopher raining triples!!!
WHERE WERE YOU MAN?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 8:55 PM PST reply actions
Seeley
really needs a ton of playing time. He has lots of athleticism. That blocked shot in the lane – horrible form.
He has a weird game – he seems comfortable with the ball, unlike most of our other players, but I imagine if he had the ball regularly he would be a turnover machine. I guess the same thing could have been said of Randle prior to last year.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
Seeley is sloppy, lazy, too relaxed. Used to junkball, and would be awesome at that. Is the exact opposite of a guy like B. Smith of De La Salle.
Yeah, but often it is easier to turn the guy who is too relaxed with the ball into a good player than the guy who already plays with solid fundamentals, as I guess Randle has shown.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Translation
the guy with solid fundamentals is already playing to his potential. The sloppy guy must be such a good athlete that he made the team DESPITE the fact he is unsound.
Yeah, unfortunately that is how pretty much all college basketball recruiting works. It is a calculation of how good a player is now and how much better they could get. Everyone makes the same calculation in recruiting.
I don’t really think that it is the wrong strategy to bring in some guy’s who are a little rough, and hope they can improve their fundamentals – Bak, Zhang, etc. Seeley’s sloppiness surprises me because he is coming from Modesto Christian which isn’t exactly a bad HS program.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Modesto Christian
I had a friend that went there for basketball reasons.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Box Score
ESPN doesn’t even have one for this game, by the way.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions
Texas-Pittsburgh
It’s a great game over on ESPN and I ain’t talkin’ about football.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions
They’ll get significantly more heated when Cal plays Stanfurd and UCLA
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It’s hard to whine about a 9000 point lead
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
even though it’s garbage time, he looks impressive
by atomsareenough on Nov 24, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Amoke
He reminds me of Eduardo Najera for whatever reason.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Amoke
wait until next year, baby!
Oh, except the thing is, he’s going to have to play the 4 again. I like him as a 3.
Seriously, feed him
Burritos galore!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
YEAHHHHH!!!!!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
It is at least nice after the last two games
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 24, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
20,000 Comments
Do I need a life?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions
No
We didn’t win by 40 points, so I don’t think it counts.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Dang
I was hoping for NC-17 because that’s what they called me on the A’s blog during the season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Simple
NC-17 sounds better than PG-13!
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
Whoops
Since my name is the “Rated-R Superstar” and I’m not 18 (therefore, I’m not rated-R, I guess), they call me NC-17 since I’m 17 years old.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 24, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
If Bak Bak blocks two shots, you bet.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 24, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks guys - especially Avinash for the block
See you next time.
But, ah, shit. I just realized I failed to set my DVR for the next two games back home – I’ll be on a plane for that wed game. What to do, what to do?
Am I Bak Bak?
You’re probably screwed for Wed. But Sunday will probably be the same deal.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
the vid came back on right when you entered that.
but no audio on that screen, b/c I went to www.kfrc.com to listen the Roxie’s postgame from them. (they didn’t have their audio on the web in past seasons).

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