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The Rose Bowl, The Poinsettia Bowl, and Every Pac-10 Bowl Scenario In Between

The Pac-10's Rose Bowl race, so utterly complicated a couple weeks ago, and with four legitimate contenders still alive going into Saturday, is now dead simple:

Oregon State @ Oregon.  The 113th Civil War.  Thursday, December 3rd, 6PM.  Winner goes to the Rose Bowl.  Loser gets, well, it's hard to say what the loser will get.  It won't be Roses, however, and that's all that matters.

The rest of the Pac-10?  Well, it's a big mess.  We could be looking at a four-way tie for second place in the conference, throwing bowl placements entirely at the whims of the various bowl committees.  Stanford is finished with its conference schedule at 6-3.  If Oregon State loses the Civil War, they'll also finish at 6-3.  Cal, USC and Arizona all also have three conferences losses.  Cal needs a win at Washington to get to 6-3.  USC and Arizona are both sitting at 4-3, and first need a win in their respective rivalry games this weekend before they face off on December 5th.  Finally, UCLA, at 6-5 but just 3-5 in the conference, is well behind everyone else and still faces long odds to actually garner a bowl bid of any kind.

Let's run some scenarios, shall we?

 

Star-divide

Let's say Oregon beats Oregon State...
OK, but what if Oregon wins the Civil War?  Now the Ducks are in the Rose, and I'm not sure any other Pac-10 team will even be able to get into the BCS Top 14 to be eligible for at-large selection.  Oregon State is the closest in the current BCS standings at 16, but they'll be knocked down by losing at Oregon.  USC at 20 and Cal at 22 are next in the Pac-10, and that's a lot of ground to make up, especially for Cal with only one game left, and against a losing team, no less.

...and once again, USC and Cal win out...
Now the Holiday Bowl gets its pick in a four-way tie between Cal, Stanford, USC and Oregon State.  To me, this is a no-brainer.  With most of their fans already in Southern California and a potent TV audience for any potential matchup, I can't see the Holiday doing anything besides taking USC.  The Sun picks next, and I'm pretty sure they shun Oregon State, who went last year, probably in favor of Cal, the only Pac-10 team never to appear in the Sun Bowl during it's nearly 75-year history.  This leaves Stanford in the Emerald, Oregon State in the Vegas, and Arizona down in the Poinsettia.

But what if Arizona wins out instead of USC?
Now the Holiday's choice is less straightforward.  What criteria do you use to select between a 9-3 Cal, 8-4 Arizona, 8-4 Oregon State, and 8-4 (at best) Stanford?  Cal will have more wins and a better BCS ranking that any of these teams in such a scenario, wins over two of the other teams they're tied with, and lots of local fans willing to make the trek.  Working against them would be the Arizona's strong finish (a season-ending win at USC would get them plenty of national praise), and the fact that while Cal has been to San Diego twice in the past six seasons, Arizona hasn't been since 1998, and Oregon State and Stanford have never been.  Still, I think Cal would have a strong case to take another holiday in sunny San Diego.

Where does that leave everyone else?  I'm pretty sure the Sun Bowl won't take Oregon State two years in a row; they have a clause in their contract specifically allowing them to select a team one game below in the standings to avoid taking a team two years in a row, and I'd have to think they'd be similarly adverse to choosing OSU again amongst tied teams.  Arizona would seem to be the logical pick, especially given El Paso's close proximity to Tucson.  That kicks Stanford down to the Emerald, who's just fine with that, and Oregon State all the way down to the Las Vegas Bowl.  USC, left alone at 6th place in the conference, also enjoys a trip to sunny San Diego, albeit a week early for the Poinsettia Bowl.

...and if Cal loses at Washington?
A Cal loss leaves them most likely tied with the Arizona @ USC loser.  I don't think the Vegas would take Arizona two years in a row, but I'm almost positive they'd jump all over USC if the Trojans fell that far.  My gut feeling is that their order of preference would be USC > Cal > Arizona, with the leftover team heading to the Poinsettia.  Of course, if the Arizona @ USC loser also loses their rivalry game next weekend, Cal will finish ahead of them regardless and the Las Vegas Bowl will have no choice but to take the Bears.

Other contingencies...
If Arizona and USC both lose at least once more, the Holiday gets to choose between Cal, Stanford and Oregon State.  If the choice is Cal, the Sun probably takes Stanford to the Emerald Bowl's chagrin, leaving the Beavers in San Francisco, and the Vegas Bowl takes USC over Arizona if those two are tied.  If the Holiday selects Oregon State, it's Cal to the Sun and Stanford in the Emerald.  If the Holiday selects Stanford, it's Cal to the Sun and Oregon State down in San Francisco.

Of course, Cal could still lose to UW, so if Cal, UA and USC all lose once more, it could be OSU in the Holiday, Stanford in the Sun, Cal (over USC!) in the Emerald, USC in Vegas, and Arizona in the Poinsettia.  Yes, I think the Emerald would take Cal over USC.  BUT, what if the Holiday selects Stanford after a stirring victory over Notre Dame?  Now, the Sun Bowl can exercise their repeat-team-refusal clause and skip Oregon State, instead grabbing USC.  The Emerald has no such clause, and so must take Oregon State.  Cal falls to the Las Vegas Bowl, Arizona to the Poinsettia.

OK, now let's assume that Oregon State wins the Civil War...
If Oregon State wins the Civil War, they'll go to the Rose Bowl.  What happens to Oregon?  Well, I think they'd still be eligible for a BCS berth (the Fiesta Bowl?), but given the other teams available, the odds seem stacked against them.  However, in such a case, Oregon would still finish with a share of the Pac-10 title, and, as such, would fall no further than the Holiday Bowl.

...and USC and Cal win out.
If USC can win out, I think the Sun Bowl still takes them; they're still a national ratings draw, much like Notre Dame.  If Cal beats Washington, the Emerald Bowl gets the can't-lose choice between Cal and Stanford; given Cal's much-larger fanbase, I think the Emerald still takes Cal, even thought the Bears went last year.  That sends the Cardinal to Las Vegas and Arizona, finishing in 6th place after losing to USC, to the Poinsettia Bowl.

If, in this scenario, the Emerald instead chooses Stanford, the Bears would fall to the Vegas.  Even if Cal loses at Washington to finish in a tie for 5th place, since Arizona went to Vegas last year, I'd think that Cal falls no further than Las Vegas.

But what if Arizona wins out instead?
But what if Arizona beats USC in the season finale?  Now the Sun Bowl gets the choice of Arizona, Cal and Stanford, and given such a stirring victory over USC plus Tucson's proximity to El Paso, I'd guess the Sun takes Arizona.  Cal to the Emerald, Stanford to Vegas (or vice versa), and USC falls all the way to the Poinsettia Bowl -- quite a find for the five-year-old bowl, maybe even better than their Utah-TCU matchup from last year (at least from a ratings standpoint).

Other contingencies...
Loses by both USC and UA have pretty much the same effect as they would should Oregon win the Civil War.  Same if combined with a Cal loss.  Losses by all three ticket Stanford for El Paso, pushing the losers further down the chain.  The Emerald might take Cal over USC, but no one else will, and Arizona is probably ticketed for the Poinsettia if they can't win out, even with loses by other teams.

For those of you who've read this far, a summary, with my best guesses in bold:

Oregon - Beat OSU and they're in the Rose Bowl.  Lose, and they fall no further than the Holiday Bowl, with an outside shot at a consolation BCS bid.
Oregon State - Beat Oregon and they're in the Rose Bowl.  Lose, and they could fall all the way to the Las Vegas Bowl.  The Emerald and even the Holiday Bowls are possibilities, though they're more remote, and I think they rather require an upset or two to become realistic.  I think the Sun pretty much has to be out for the Beavers.
Stanford - The Cardinal, in the conference clubhouse at 6-3, can fall no further than the Vegas Bowl, and most of the scenarios I've come up with actually place them in the Emerald Bowl.  The Sun and even the Holiday are still in play, however, though I don't know how attractive Stanford is to bowls, given their small fanbase.
California - If the Bears can beat Washington, the Holiday Bowl is still in play.  I think the most likely destination is the Sun Bowl, though the Emerald would love to host the Bears again.  A loss to Washington seems to ticket them for Las Vegas in most scenarios, while I think it would take a special set of circumstances to kick the Bears all the way down to the Poinsettia Bowl.
USC - Win out, and they're probably in the Holiday or Sun Bowls, depending on the outcome of the Civil War.  Lose, especially to Arizona, and they could fall to the Poinsettia.  What a fall that would be!
Arizona - It's hard to see the Wildcats in the Holiday Bowl, but it's still possible.  If they win out they'd be an attractive team for the Sun Bowl; lose at USC, and they almost certainly are headed to the Poinsettia Bowl.  And if they lose out, there's a remote possibility that they could miss bowl season entirely (see below)!

But what about UCLA?
The Bruins are kinda screwed here.  Now, I don't really blame the Pac-10 for only having six bowl tie-ins; when they've had seven, they've never filled them, and I can't recall the last time seven Pac-10 teams got to six wins.  Still, none of this will bring comfort to Bruins fans should UCLA be forced to stay home for the holidays.

The easiest way for the Bruins to make the postseason is for the Pac-10 to get a second team in the BCS.  At this point, however, that seems like a longshot.  The SEC is basically assured of getting two teams in the BCS, and TCU should also receive an automatic bid.  That leaves two open spots, and I think Boise State, Iowa, and the Big East runner-up all seem more likely to get a BCS bid that the Pac-10 runner-up, to say nothing of Oklahoma State (if they can beat Oklahoma this weekend).

Right now, UCLA sits in 7th place in the conference at 3-5, and everyone in front of them has at least 4 wins already.  The best the Bruins can hope for is to beat USC, and then hope either USC or Arizona loses out to finish in a tie for 6th place.  Actually, should UCLA beat USC and Arizona lose out, a 7-5 Bruins team would have to be selected in front of a 6-6 Wildcats team, thus sending the Bruins to the Poinsettia Bowl and leaving Arizona searching for an elusive at-large bid.  A tie at 4-5 with USC would be more problematic.  The Poinsettia may be interested in the Bruins for ending the season on a high note and in a head-to-head win vs. USC, but then again, USC would probably still bring a higher television audience, as disappointed as they might be to play a bowl game before Christmas.

Failing that, what chance do the Bruins have of receiving an at-large bowl bid from some other desperate minor bowl?  Well, it depends on both how they finish out, and how teams around the country do as well.  There are 34 bowl games this year, meaning that there are 68 potential bowl bids to be handed out -- more than half of Division I-A!.  According to NCAA rules, all eligible teams with winning records must be given at-large bids before a 6-6 team can be given at at-large bid.

With two weeks left to play, 52 teams already winning records locked up.  17 more have gotten to six wins (actually 18, but 6-6 Kansas State got two of their wins over I-AA teams, so they don't get to go to a bowl game), meaning there will be, at a minimum, 69 bowl-eligible teams, so there should be no shortage this year.  8 more teams sit at 5-6, and 1 (UConn) is still at 5-5.  Even if all 13 6-5 teams win their remaining game, only 65 teams will get to winning records in the regular season, meaning at least a few 6-6 teams will get to play during bowl season.

The upshot is that, should UCLA beat USC, they should almost certainly get an at-large bid somewhere (though that still might depend on how the last couple weeks play out).  At 6-6, the odds are longer, though if there are extra at-large bids for 6-6 teams, I would have to think that UCLA would be a prime candidate, behind only a 6-6 Notre Dame and maybe a 6-6 Florida State.

bruinhoya from Bruins Nation helps break down the logistics of a 6-6 UCLA team going to a bowl:

If UCLA doesn’t beat USC (and USC doesn’t somehow sneak into a BCS spot), UCLA needs to have four of these things happen to make a bowl game:
1. Bowling Green lose to Toledo (unlikely)
2. Wyoming lose to Colorado State (unlikely)
3. LA-Monroe lose to Middle Tennessee State (likely)
4. LA-Lafayette lose to Troy (likely)
5. UConn lose to both Syracuse and South Florida (unlikely)
6. Kansas lose to Missouri (likely)
7. Marshall lose to UTEP AND SMU lose to Tulane (unlikely)

Another possibility was proposed by bucknellbruin; safe to say that the Horned Frogs are getting Bruin blessings this weekend:

TCU makes a BCS game (very, very likely)

Then the Humanitarian Bowl, New Mexico Bowl, or Armed Forces Bowl will need another team. If Wyoming doesn’t win it’s last game, two of those games will need teams. It’s highly unlikely that one of those games would pass up a UCLA team that’s playing good football.

Also, the EagleBank Bowl and GMAC bowl are tied in with the ACC, who won’t have enough teams. So they can pick whoever they want as well (although, the GMAC generally will pick a MAC team, since they have more teams than slots as well).

So basically, it’s a total crapshoot depending on who the bowls pick, and I have to guess that UCLA is a pretty attractive at large selection for any bowl.

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90% chance

that i’ll be going to Cal’s bowl game. Even if it’s El Paso.

by LeonPowe on Nov 23, 2009 5:54 AM PST reply actions  

The Sun Bowl is actually my first choice for Cal but for entirely personal reasons. My dad is an El Paso native, and has never seen a Cal game in person. It would be a nice to finally take him to a Bears’ game that just happens to be in his own home town.

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research."

by Auricursine on Nov 23, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Being in Austin, I might be able to talk the wife into going to the Sun Bowl. Supposedly its a lot of fun but then again…it’s frickin El Paso.

Goin' balls deep with Cal since 1972!

by Fire Starkey on Nov 23, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure the Sun Bowl is the only bowl game in which I have no interest in going to.

Proud to hold season tickets to the only NBA team soon to be owned by a Russian oligarch.

by yellow fever on Nov 24, 2009 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Why go to the Sun Bowl when you can go to a Nets game?

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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 24, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I really hope the Emerald Bowl isn’t Cal vs Miami again.

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by Rishi on Nov 23, 2009 6:41 AM PST reply actions  

Wasn’t one of the projections a few weeks ago Cal vs. Boston College in the Emerald Bowl?

It's seriously too bad that there's no building or complex around that might have a large supply of sports drinks.

by thenick on Nov 23, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s very very likely to have Boston college or Florida St. (worst case scenario Duke gets bowl eligible)

The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS

by norcalnick on Nov 23, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, Duke lost to Richmond….again. I hope they get bowl eligible just to show how good the CAA is. :)

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeremiah Masoli managed to do what Dennis Dixon couldn’t two years ago, leading the Ducks past a rowdy Arizona crowd in late November towards a date with the Rose Bowl.

What a horrible caption. A) Dixon got injured at the very beginning of the game — the caption makes it sound like he just couldn’t beat Arizona; B) A spot in the BCS NCG was on the line

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by Rishi on Nov 23, 2009 7:31 AM PST reply actions  

And people wonder why the youth are cynical and apathetic.

by chowder on Nov 23, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Because journalists are so bad or because I’m so sarcastic?

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by Rishi on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously, the fault for America’s youth lays squarely upon you.

by chowder on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a one-inch crack in my skull from trying to understand this.

Instead of trying to grasp this, I will spend the day walking around discreetly high-fiving other closeted Friends of Oski down on the Farm. And buying that shirt to modify to read “Beat (By) Cal.”

by VandyImport on Nov 23, 2009 8:49 AM PST reply actions  

But that would still be a red shirt.

"it's like an alarm clock, WOOT WOOT!" -Bubb Rubb

by secret ASian man on Nov 23, 2009 9:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Did you see the signs being held up after the game? Stanford had “Beat Cal” which were easily modified into “Be__ Cal”

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I always read those signs as Be At Cal…. Did I get something wrong… I thought it was just them being polite about their envy…

Undefeated in Southern California since Oct. 2009...

by CruzinBears on Nov 23, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s the same way they see “Gob Ears”.

by Yes We Cannon on Nov 23, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey alumni, gob!

"it's like an alarm clock, WOOT WOOT!" -Bubb Rubb

by secret ASian man on Nov 23, 2009 10:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeahhhhh! Be At Cal! Be At Cal!

by wearecb4life on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Independent of our own bowl game scenario, we can all agree that we would rather have OSU in the Rose Bowl, right?

by Tedfordisgod on Nov 23, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

yes...

Undefeated in Southern California since Oct. 2009...

by CruzinBears on Nov 23, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Why?

Just wondering why you think that.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 23, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

We compete directly with Oregon for recruiting. Oregon in RB = bad for Cal

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 23, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Also no one gives two shits about Oregon St. It sucks but that’s what it is

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 23, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

The problem I see is it OSU makes the Rose Bowl, all of a sudden they have a case that OSU > Cal over Tedford’s tenure, something they don’t have at the moment. I like being able to argue, with definitive proof, that Cal and Oregon have been pretty much tied for 2nd best team since Tedford’s arrival…. :)

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude... OSU > Cal is completely accurate right now...

I don’t think we need a Rose Bowl to prove that… at the moment, we do in fact have you in our stable of bitches. A small stable, but a stable none the less (say hello to UW and WSU while you’re in there).

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Really? Trash talking now?

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by Rishi on Nov 23, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Simply responding to a pretty stupid post with another stupid post, that’s all.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Except while my position can be backed with fact, yours is a personal name calling attack with little to no substance, that just makes you look bad as a person.

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Whatevs. Let him tempt the juju again. He hasn’t learned anything from last year clearly.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 23, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yo mama!

President Emperor Warlord Of The Sun!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 23, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

i think he’s referring to overall record since 2002 (not head to head)

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct, in terms of their overall accomplishments, Cal > OSU and it’s not particularly close at the moment (since Tedford took over Cal). If you want a quick fact on the matter, let me know when OSU finishes in the Top 20, will you? Cal’s done it twice in Tedford’s tenure (including a Top 10). We’ve also finished ranked more times than OSU in Tedford’s tenure.

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

We should be more like the Beavers

You guys are just so great. They way you barely slipped past UNLV? Masterful. The way you embarassed our conference by losing to Cincy, not once, but twice? Pure art.

I rooted for you guys then. I take it back now.

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

A joke from a Ducks fan of mine

Why does OSU wear orange?

So on Saturday they can play football…

So on Sunday they can go deer hunting…

And so on Monday they can pick up trash by the side of the road.

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Oregon going to the Rose Bowl doesn’t automatically = recruiting success.

It’s funny that a handful of the recruits that were at the USC-Oregon committed elsewhere the following few weeks.

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Not me.

I want Oregon in the Rose Bowl. GO DUCKS!

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Here comes the Sun...do do do do

I bought to airline tickets back to CA just to have all my bowl scenarios, other than Vegas, covered (I live near Smell Paso).

I’m hoping for the Sun Bowl..even more than the Holiday bowl…I mean, we’ve never been to the Sun, and have been to Holiday twice under Tedford, including one game that is not to be mentioned by anyone, ever.

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

I don't know

I would always hope for Cal to go to the best bowl possible. If not, why hope for them to go to the Rose Bowl for 59 years?

by yorzepol on Nov 23, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

The Rose Bowl is different, obv, and this isn't the Rose Bowl

Rose Bowl is a different creature…a holy grail and white whale mixed together.

The Holiday Bowl is not.

I want Cal to go to the Rose Bowl, period. As for lower bowls, I’m not too wedded to what is the heirarchy (within reason – like 1 spot up or down). This is especially true when the prestige of the lower bowls varies from year to year (Emerald vs. Vegas, etc.). 15 years from now we won’t be able to say, “sure we went to the Emerald Bowl in 2009, but it was ranked higher than the Vegas/Poinsettia/etc Bowl that year.” Instead, I think it’d be a source of pride to have a trophy room with trophies from all the Pac 10 bowls, or being able to say “Sun Bowl? Yeah, we won that. Holiday too. And Vegas. And Emerald.” Just more feathers in the cap, I guess.

But that’s just me.

So yeah, I’ll pick the next lowest bowl over the Holiday if (1) we haven’t gone there ever, (2) the other option (Holiday) we’ve been to twice in the past 5 years, (3) the lower bowl considered a very historic bowl, and (4) its right next door to me.

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the Emerald Bowl because it gives us the most national exposure. Outside of the Rose Bowl it had the highest tv ratings last year of the Pac-10’s lineup. Plus, it’s local, and I can go to it.

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, it had such high ratings because the two teams playing brought in a good crowd, and it’ was in a nice time slot.

Physical.

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

and it’ was in a nice time slot.

I think this is the bigger part of it.

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, the Las Vegas Bowl got that timeslot too. What was the difference in ratings? If I were a casual fan, the Cal-Miami matchup would be a much bigger draw than Pac10 #4or5/MWC#1or2

Physical.

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I did a fanpost on this subject! I shall find it.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Nov 23, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2009/8/4/977470/pac-10-bowls-and-you-critical

Emerald Bowl pulled a 4.7, the Las Vegas Bowl a 2.5.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Nov 23, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

(None of that is actually in that fanpost. I should have just linked to volunteertv.com, where I got the ratings to begin with.)

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Nov 23, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess we’ll see this year? I still think the Emerald Bowl has a better timeslot because it’s on a later date.

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Phil Steele is predicting Cal vs. Texas Tech in the Sun Bowl

That would be sweet. Payback time. And this time it’s in their state.

Cal Football: It could happen!

by CalBandGreat on Nov 23, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

That’d be a sweet match up. I hate that the Sun Bowl is in El Paso.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

That was my second favorite bowl of last year (behind Emerald). I absolutely LOVED the horrible Pitt OL and crazy amounts of sacks and TFLs

Physical.

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

ha ha, but you need to spin like an espn commentator….“an amazing defensive struggle

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah that’ll only happen if it was the SEC or maybe the Big-12

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 23, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

could be a tough game.

i think Texas Tech (despite that bad Houston loss) and Nebraska are pretty good.

Let’s hope Jahvid is back and in full capacity… (who knows how much a stiff back could slow him up?)

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

ESPN predicts Missouri

I would personally prefer Missouri, as Cal has a demonstrable inability to beat a spread offense. And I think we can (JINX ALERT) crush a not-so-good-Missouri

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s a lotta wrong to pack into such a short post.

(Specifically: Missouri and Texas Tech are both spread passing teams. Our defenses have held up well against Chip Kelly’s spread option in two of three meetings and we beat a spread passing team in Arizona two whole weeks ago. So basically you got everything wrong that you could have gotten wrong, except the bit about Missouri being not-so-good.)

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Nov 23, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, that’s a lot of smart*ss to pack into your comment.

Seeing how we’re playing with our current team, not the team from 2 of the past 3 years…and we were blown out by Oregon THIS year…and Arizona brought no running game, and even then would have likely beaten us had their QB not made a grave error…I’m sticking with my original comment.

Especially because Missouri attempting the spread doesn’t make them a true spread offense. The most they put up all year long (aside from Furman) was 38 points. I can paint a school bus red and call it a corvette, but that doesn’t change what it is.

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Why wouldn’t Missouri be a spread offense? Plus, we play a 3-4 now, which is different than our scheme in the past, so I don’t think the past is a good indicator of how we’d do against it…

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

uh…oregon…this year?

I saif they’re not an “true” (read: effective) spread offense

Texas Tech is as schizo as Cal, you never know what team will show up. One minute they can play lackluster, the next they are hell-on-wheels. I’d rather play a consistently mediocre (IMO) Missouri, especially when the game is essentially in TTU’s backyard.

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough, I just don’t think it’s fair to say they aren’t a spread simply because they aren’t necessarily good on offense. Those are two independent ideas. Spread is also a very, very general term that can mean a whole lot of things, I don’t think you could possibly find two spread offenses that are less alike than Oregon and Missouri…

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah , I suppose. It’s all academic anyway. I mean, my hoping for a particular opponent doesn’t make it happen, nor does me convincing others.

The one thing that concerns me is the absence of any UW talk. I’d hate to be caught looking ahead. And UW is less-than-terrible at home.

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m beginning to worry about them a little bit…

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be more worried if we didn’t have the bye week. I think we’ll be sufficiently settled in after watching next week’s games and looking forward to the Huskies.

Physical.

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

oregon’s spread option is a bit more devastating this year… and we kinda ran into a buzzsaw that day.

Physical.

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Seeing how we’re playing with our current team, not the team from 2 of the past 3 years

Seeing how we’re playing with our current team, which is 1-1 against spread offenses this year, I’m not seeing the “demonstrable inability.”

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Nov 23, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Just looking at this year….combined score of 66-19 in those spread games.

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

and by 19, I mean 27. duh.

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

And yet, still 1-1! I guess our defense must have gotten better!

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Nov 23, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

What you guys aren’t recognizing is the fact that Oregon’s offense isn’t remotely like Arizona’s. You’re just not comparing the same thing at all…

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t want to muddy the waters. But yes, Cal is 1-0 against passing spreads this year. Wooo!

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Nov 23, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess running zone-read and sg 5-wide every series is the same as pro-set and off-set I to you? Mizzu is hardly a power running team compared to TTech. Compared to Cal, they’re a true spread offense.

It wasn’t the spread that killed us in Eugene anyway— the same spread we beat @ home last year… It was the whole Ducks scheme: play-action pass, hurry up offense, and a small speedy runner in L. James. Also, one could argue Oregon’s defense had as much to do with that loss as their offense did.

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by dirt on Nov 24, 2009 1:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Beaver fan here

Oregon State may suck, but the Beavers sure can beat the Bears.

by leon0112 on Nov 23, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

Difficult to argue this point.

OSU fans were pretty cool when I went up for the game last year, but given that an Oregon win helps my Bears, go Ducks!

by tmoran3020 on Nov 23, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

hey leon,

no one said oregon state sucks….
we appreciate oregon state as a good team.. why start the hate?

the comment above is talking about perception of schools for recruiting

get off me bandwagoners!
http://blog.cleancutmedia.com

by cleancutmedia on Nov 23, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, you’ll find most Cal fans really respect Oregon State, we’re just upset that they represent a hurdle Cal can’t get over right now.

by turkey on Nov 23, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Not me, I hate Oregon State. STOP LOSING OOC AND THEN DOING WELL IN CONFERENCE ALREADY! IT MAKES THE REST OF US LOOK BAD. How about you win OOC and lose in conference, instead? Let’s start with Boise St next year, enough of them making the Pac-10 look bad. Oh, and stop beating Cal. Know your role (which is 4th in the Pac-10)!

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

(Directed at leon, of course)

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

OSU's role is to screw people over! not 4th in Pac-10

Beat SC… keep beating Cal when we’re at home… mess up Oregon’s ’07 season… but of course it bites you in the ass in ’08 :P Oh I love our conference!

by dmo580 on Nov 23, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Don’t be mad at us for not starting well because you can’t finish. Score more than six points in two weeks and you can tell other teams not to make the conference look bad.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes sir, you are correct.

Because Cal is having a lot of trouble closing out this current season.

/snark

"it's like an alarm clock, WOOT WOOT!" -Bubb Rubb

by secret ASian man on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Hahaha, well, that certainly changes how the past few seasons have wrapped up…

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

No offense, but why are you here?

by Mister Pie on Nov 23, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

People are talking about PAC 10 football here, right?

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah except from what I can tell aren’t really contributing anything to the discussion other than borderline inflammatory comments.

Look, most RATIONAL Cal fans will concede that you guys have owned us for three years in a row, no excuses, that’s simply fact. Beyond that, we are under no obligation to root for Oregon St. I think wandering on to a CAL blog expecting otherwise is a bit much.

by Mister Pie on Nov 23, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Look, most RATIONAL Cal fans will concede that you guys have owned us for three years in a row, no excuses, that’s simply fact.

That’s all I needed you to say. I stopped reading right there. Well done sir.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah except from what I can tell aren’t really contributing anything to the discussion other than borderline inflammatory comments.

That’s all you needed to say. I stopped reading right there. Well done sir. (Basically, all you are so far is a troll, if you have substantial things to say, go for it, but otherwise realize you haven’t contributed anything worthwhile yet)

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Like last year, where we won our last three while running all over our opponents?

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Nov 23, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

HEY! IT’S OUR HATE WEEK!

I’m going to get jealous…

It's spelled "S-H-U-V-3-0-0-0"

by JShufelt on Nov 23, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Lash out at the world week!

Rec’d and fuck you!

:-p

Cal Football: It could happen!

by CalBandGreat on Nov 23, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really there are only two negative comments about Oregon St, out of over 40 comments that is less than 5% of the content. Most people recognize that Oregon St is a good team, and personally I think Mike Riley is the best coach in the conference.

by chowder on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, we just have thin skin this week. It gets slightly thicker next week, promise.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Next game, how ‘bout you guys not push our best player 8 feet in the air when it’s already a touchdown, mkay?

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Hilarious.

You ARE kidding, right?

How about the officials make the right call on the previous play so your best player isn’t on the field?

Or better yet, how ‘bout next time we beat you, you don’t come back with sad excuses?

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Crap! HydroTech says Oregon State sucks. I’ve been programed to disagree with HydroTech on everything. I’m an Oregon fan.

What do I do?!?!

It's spelled "S-H-U-V-3-0-0-0"

by JShufelt on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Create a one-rule exemption, like those e-mail settings in Outlook Mail?

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by Swamphunter on Nov 23, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Just let your brain explode...

and leave the worrying to the carpet cleaner

by rurata on Nov 23, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Not mad, I love you guys!

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

ALAMAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRR!

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

See… I didn’t make an excuse there. You are taking what I said and adding your own thoughts to it. I think we still would’ve lost if Best hadn’t gotten injured.

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re taking every comment in this thread about 500x more seriously than you should

The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS

by norcalnick on Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I think hes taking it about 400x more seriously than he should. Fuck you for getting that wrong.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 23, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s 430x more seriously. Why the fuck did you round that shit? Do you know ANYTHING about significant figures?

by Kai on Nov 23, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

No. No, I do not.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 23, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought T-Bred was being tongue in cheek there

Oregon State doesn’t “suck” (I don’t think anyone actually said you did, did they?) and I’m sure the great majority of us here respect OSU’s program and what Coach Riley has done there. I know I do.

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone did, but it’s cool. I like CGB and don’t hate Cal. I would say Cal is easily the only likable team out of California, far and away. I usually root for you guys.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

We beat Zona too… that did a whole hell of a lot for your Rose Bowl aspirations (in the end, maybe not: I think USC will beat Zona @ home). But it’s made the Civil War ultra huge.

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I was happy about the Zona win. I was sick that the Beavs dropped that one. I was throwing up like a duck fan at the Stanford game during the final minute and a half.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

At the USC game, I slipped on vomit on the NW side of the stadium, and cut my had badly on railing as I was trying to not fall.

I had blood all over my hand, and it looked sweet… but… I also slipped in another person’s vomit – which is pretty freaking gross.

It's spelled "S-H-U-V-3-0-0-0"

by JShufelt on Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you land in it?! Did you get stranger vomit in your cut?

Gross/Cool story.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually vomit skied down the pathway for about nine feet and as I grabbed on to the railing, my feet flew out from underneath me. However, I was able to hold on tight enough to where I didn’t fall into the vomit, and if I did actually fall down, I was far enough away where I wouldn’t have gotten any on me.

My shoe stank.

It's spelled "S-H-U-V-3-0-0-0"

by JShufelt on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

In the dorms, this a friend of mine took this one kid drinking for the first time ever. Needless to say he came back in sorry-ass shape. He ended up vomiting all over our communal bathroom. The drunk friend felt bad and started cleaning it up, only to have the mutual friend tell him to go to bed, as he cleaned it up. I saw him walk into the bathroom, heard a slip followed by a loud thud, then hysterical laughter. The dude was covered in the other dudes vomit. It was gross, and hilarious at the same time.

by chowder on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I would rather be covered in some other dude’s vomit than have my team play for the Apple Cup.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, at least he was close to a shower.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Nov 23, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

the Civil War is on ESPN Thursday night too, right?

The ratings will be huge. Great exposure for both teams.

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Wish it was on Saturday still. Eugene is really far away from Portland and traffic will be horrible both ways.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

the whole state of Oregon will be taking a sick day for that game, huh?

somehow, I feel the Oregon fans to the most diehard and un-fairweather of the Pac-10 lot. is this somewhat truthful?

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm… if I share an Oregon State fan’s take on Oregon fans on here I will be bringing an absolute shit storm to CGB… and mind you, my “take” would not count for guys like Shufelt, as he doesn’t quite fit the mold… he’s nice and is aware of life before Joey Harrington.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I got the day off, but I’m suppose to work the next day.

I might be late that Friday…

It's spelled "S-H-U-V-3-0-0-0"

by JShufelt on Nov 23, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Was going to go. Got Friday off and everything. But now I have this stupid work thing that I can’t get out of. I hate working with people who don’t care about PAC 10 football. They ruin my life with their horrible priorities.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

My boss doesn’t realyl care about Pac-10 football, but I also work 50-70 salary hours a week. So when I want time off, I usually can get it without struggle.

It's spelled "S-H-U-V-3-0-0-0"

by JShufelt on Nov 23, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I can usually get time off pretty easily as well, but then things get scheduled that I can’t/shouldn’t/don’t want to miss. Jobs. The worst.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

OREGON AGREEEEEEEEEEEMENT!

President Emperor Warlord Of The Sun!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 23, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

This annoys me almost as much as when I lived with a guy who was dating the girl another guy I lived with just broke up with. And they were all friends and cool with it!!!

Dub tee ef?!?!

Cal Football: It could happen!

by CalBandGreat on Nov 23, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

And now I’m hungry for the 5 for 6 fitty again…

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

GODDAMNIT I USED TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO AN ARBY’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

My local arby’s had a bell you could ring when you wanted to compliment the staff for good service. During high school my friends and I would go once a week, and we’d always compliment the staff. They removed the bell after the first month. =(

by chowder on Nov 23, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone did, but it’s cool. I like CGB and don’t hate Cal. Our classic sandwich has Arby’s thinly sliced, oven-roasted beef piled high inside a toasted sesame seed bun. Try it with our delicious Arby’s Sauce, or for an extra kick go with the zesty Horsey Sauce®. I would say Cal is easily the only likable team out of California, far and away. I usually root for you guys.

I don’t really see what’s so objectionable about ArbyOSU, he’s just trying to tell us about his roast beef sandwich.

by sec119 on Nov 23, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m glad SOMEONE reads between the lines. It’s called viral marketing, guys. YOU WILL EAT MORE ROAST BEEF!!! HORSEY SAUCE!!!

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m hungry.

It's spelled "S-H-U-V-3-0-0-0"

by JShufelt on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

YO MAMA!

President Emperor Warlord Of The Sun!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 23, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

As far as I can tell, I’m the only one that said anything negative when ArbyOSU came over here, and I was mostly joking around? Obviously the all caps stuff was meant in jest (hence the all caps)….

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we should just ignore him.

Shhhh Arby it’s okay, it’s okay. Shhhhhhhh… everything will be all right.

by Mister Pie on Nov 23, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Swaddle him first, then shush him. Works like a charm with my baby boy.

Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic.

by zoonews on Nov 23, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I prefer not to be swaddled by strange men I meet online. Just a hang up of mine.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Can Zoonews burp you?

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by TwistNHook on Nov 23, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes. Just no swaddling or changing. That’s where I draw the line.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

URP

Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic.

by zoonews on Nov 24, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s weird cause he’s been cool on CGB before today…

The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS

by norcalnick on Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m still cool. I have a cell phone AND a pager.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Alright, well let’s just establish here that my comments weren’t as serious as you took them so we can all move on. :)

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I fully accept your apology and adorable emoticon at the end of your sentence.

Don’t look now, but I think we’re BFFs.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m guessing you’re referring to my comment. I like OSU, in fact I’m cheering for OSU.

What I’m saying is that the perception of OSU is basically “who gives a fuck”. It IS unfair but it is what it is, so OSU going to the RB hurts Cal the least.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 23, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re prior to the snap!

Cal Football: It could happen!

by CalBandGreat on Nov 23, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

When you say "Oregon State may suck"...

…You mean the state of Oregon as a whole, right?

Lousy two-sided flag.

by Glanko on Nov 23, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

rec’d for colors

by GBB4188 on Nov 23, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I knew you’d like it.

The blue is actually much closer to a dark Navy, so even more Cal-ish, am I right?

by ArbyOSU on Nov 23, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, it’s supposed to be Yale-ish.

by Yes We Cannon on Nov 24, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s closer to what it is in real life but again, probably a bit more navy.

by ArbyOSU on Nov 24, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait, seriously...

this is the Oregon state flag?

Wow, our bear flag could kick the shit out of your beaver flag. Get that it’s two sided and all, but that beaver just looks…sad.

by CAJason80 on Nov 23, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait can someone clarify?

I thought Vegas was 4th place, Emerald was 5th place Pac-10…… or am I wrong. ><

by dmo580 on Nov 23, 2009 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

From emerald bowl site:

“If two teams are tied for second place, the Holiday can take either of the tied teams, and so on. Our case is unique in that the Emerald Bowl shares No. 4 and 5 with the Las Vegas Bowl. Each year, one of us has “priority.” Las Vegas has the priority this year; we had it last year and will have it again in ’09. "

Source

by tmoran3020 on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

BTW

That must be talking about last year, but the Emerald bowl has priority this year.

by tmoran3020 on Nov 23, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the Emerald Bowl swapped priority with the Las Vegas bowl to get us last year, though, which would mean this year (when Emerald is scheduled to have priority), they’re going to let LV choose first. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll do some research, but I doubt it – both teams got a local team (ok more localish in the case of LV) and benefited. I think it was more of a gentleman’s agreement.

by tmoran3020 on Nov 23, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

well based on my memories

we were a Vegas Bowl pick in 2005—the Ayoob era. I was pretty sure we were 4th that year and Emerald picked 5th.

Based on flipping every year, 2009 means it should be Vegas 4th again…. Correct me if I’m wrong. Somehow I forgot last year entirely. My memories of Cal football last year are so limited because I missed out on so much ><

by dmo580 on Nov 23, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Ermm not a good morning for me.

USe your fingers and count dumbass…

2005 – Vegas 4th
2006
2007
2008
2009 – Vegas 5th

DURRRRR

From the Vegas Bowl site:
“The bowl announced in 2005 that it had extended its contract with the Pac-10 Conference for an additional four years through the 2009 season, getting the fourth selection in 2006 and 2008 while getting the fifth selection in 2007 and 2009. In addition, the game extended its contract with the MWC for the first selection/champion through the 2009 season.”

Ok, I had been operating under the assumption that they get 4th pick and was trying to plan my Vegas trip around that, but given our chances of slipping to 5th are slim, I will count on not being able to attend a bowl game then!

by dmo580 on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

But keep in mind there’s a chance I was right in my post above – that they swapped 2008/2009 priorities so the Emerald could get Cal last year….

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

OHhh you may be right....

we were 4th last year too…. Interesting so if Emerald picked the 4th last year….. GAH TOO MUCH FOR MY HEAD ><

by dmo580 on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Cannot find anything definitive

But all the predictions show Emerald then LV, I really believe Emerald gets priority this year.

by tmoran3020 on Nov 23, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Could be, I don’t know if I’m right or not…

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

rooting for oregon

i personally am rooting for oregon. why?

1) they deserve it, that offense is a beautiful thing to watch.

2) i am cal fan 1, pac-10 fan 2 – since pac10’s strength perception has a direct affect on CAL’s reputation. I just feel Oregon will run all over Ohio State. Their offense is better suited to potentially embarrassed Ohio State like USC use to all the time. That helps the perception for the Pac-10. (i think oregon state will do well too, it’ll just be a lower scoring game).

get off me bandwagoners!
http://blog.cleancutmedia.com

by cleancutmedia on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 AM PST reply actions  

I just kinda like the Ducks…

If Cal can’t make it, I root for them; did so in 2007.

7

by Rishi on Nov 23, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus OSU killed Best...

And I’m getting really sick of watching them win on our field. OSU is definitely heading to my fan doghouse.

by wearecb4life on Nov 23, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Oregon State would have a great chance against Ohio State

If Sean Canfield’s gonna keep completing 70 percenet of his passes, he could really take it to the Buckeyes defense. And if the game’s gonna be high scoring…well, let’ s just say I don’t think Ohio State can play that game.

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Nov 23, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Can’t tell what I think about the Buckeyes D, as it’s been pretty good all year except for its game against Purdue.

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Las Vegas Bowl

Most of those scenarios sound like we’ll end up in Vegas only if bad things happen to us.

After being pumped to go to Vegas, I don’t really want to go to Vegas after reading these.

"Today's weather, excessively violent with a chance of dismemberment. Tune in later for our 5-day forecast!"
~ Three Dog - Fallout 3

by Swamphunter on Nov 23, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions  

Bad things = Vegas and good things = El Paso.

Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic.

by zoonews on Nov 23, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s a win-win, like betting against Cal

by Kai on Nov 23, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

that sounds like a lose-lose to me.

by atomsareenough on Nov 23, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pulling for Oregon.

They didn’t throw Jahvid into the hospital.

"You are the Tim Tebow of angry articulation!" - TwistNHook

by Maisbikkja on Nov 23, 2009 12:37 PM PST reply actions  

Rooting for Oregon over OSU and Arizona over USC so we get our shot at the Holiday Bowl and an overrated Big 12 team.

The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS

by norcalnick on Nov 23, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

It may be Nebraska, which is the only Big 12 team I think is somewhere between rated correctly and underrated. If Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma and gets into the BCS despite losing to Houston, I will shoot myself. ROOT FOR OKLAHOMA!

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

The Big-12 really does not deserve two bcs bowls this year. Good news, from what I hear, Okie State has trouble selling tickets at home, which means they’d have more trouble selling tix in a bowl, far away from home.

by chowder on Nov 23, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know whom to root for...

Maybe Oregon State. I respect the hell out of Mike Riley and the OSU program.

But then there’s Oregon. I respect the hell out of JShufelt.

What am I gonna do on Dec. 3?!?

  

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM PST reply actions  

Stop respecting the hell out of me? That’s what I do.

It's spelled "S-H-U-V-3-0-0-0"

by JShufelt on Nov 23, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

We need more Harbaugh faceplant photoshops/gifs

WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?

by Thoroughbred on Nov 23, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

go oregon...!

osu is going to get crushed again and the beavers are going to get screwed in terms of what bowl they go to. they have to reach bowl guarantee status because obviously no bowl would CHOOSE them. the rose bowl committee is rooting for oregon obviously..

by falseintellect on Nov 23, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

Could I ask for a post on...

How much do each of the various Bowl games written up here PAY to the teams that attend their bowls, and what are the opponent conference tie-ins?

The reason I ask is that it seems possible to me that Cal could get invited to one bowl, but if they are going to receive the same $ as the next bowl down the list, could they reject that bowl and go for a different city? What say do the schools have in these invites? It’s not strictly “1st place goes here, 2nd there, 3rd over here, 4th over there….” Dollars has a lot to do with it, too – for both the bowl (which schools travel well and merit big tv audiences) and possible (?) for the school.

thanks.

by concordtom on Nov 23, 2009 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

My understanding is that the Pac10 commies split all bowl revenue amongst all 10 teams. So it wouldnt necessarily matter.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 23, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s true. Most of the conferences do that.

It's spelled "S-H-U-V-3-0-0-0"

by JShufelt on Nov 24, 2009 6:39 AM PST up reply actions  

In these tough budgetary times, the fact that those of us with decent, bowl-bound football teams are subsidizing crap Athletic programs at the likes of Washington State and UCLA is just plain unacceptable. I think another resolution from the Academic Senate would be most welcome.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Nov 24, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

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