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Thoughts On The Playcalling On The Final Cal Drive Against ASU

Wow!  What a game.  Cal wins on the road in dramatic fashion, coming from behind.  Something that, unfortunately, we've seen all too rarely from Cal recently.  After the initial rush of excitement subsided, many people started to discuss the game in further earnest as they are wont to do.  There was much consternation over the play calling at the tail end of the game.  In specific, there was both a strong negative and strong positive reaction to 2 play calls in the last drive:  A run out of the WildBear formation and a surprising pass out of the WildBear formation.  While some instantly decried these controversial calls, others immediately praised their ingenuity and aggressiveness. 

I do not pretend to be a final arbiter for these plays.  My knowledge of football analysis comes mostly from reading HydroTech posts.  But I did want to try to dig deeper and take a closer look at the context of the plays.  Perhaps get into Tedford/Ludwig's head regarding the play calls and see what the thought process was.  I use Tedford/Ludwig, because, although Ludwig is calling the plays, I feel confident in assuming that Tedford was involved.  Especially with key plays such as these.  After the jump, watch the video of the plays (thanks to TouchedTheAxeIn82) and then take a journey deeper inside Cal football.

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The most important thing to do before reading this is to watch the video.  Thanks to TouchedTheAxeIn82, we already have a YouTube video of the game winning drive:


Before we can really get into the specific plays at the end there, we have to take a step back and see what preceded it in the drive.  From the ESPN Play by Play, here is the drive up to the tail end:

 

California at 3:16 CAL ASU
1st and 10 at CAL 19 Jahvid Best rush for 4 yards to the Cal 23. 20 21
2nd and 6 at CAL 23 Kevin Riley pass complete to Anthony Miller for 22 yards to the Cal 45 for a 1ST down.    
1st and 10 at CAL 45 Kevin Riley pass incomplete.    
2nd and 10 at CAL 45 Kevin Riley pass complete to Verran Tucker for 10 yards to the ArzSt 45 for a 1ST down.    
1st and 10 at ASU 45 CALIFORNIA penalty 15 yard Face Mask accepted.    
1st and 25 at CAL 40 Kevin Riley pass complete to Marvin Jones for 26 yards to the ArzSt 34 for a 1ST down.    
1st and 10 at ASU 34 Kevin Riley pass complete to Alex Lagemann for 16 yards to the ArzSt 18 for a 1ST down.    
1st and 10 at ASU 18 Kevin Riley pass complete to Verran Tucker for 11 yards to the ArzSt 7 for a 1ST down.

 

Jahvid Best apparently injured himself on that running play there.  He later said that it was not that bad and felt as if he could have come back in if need be.  Apparently, the coaching staff was holding him out for precautionary purposes.

Kevin Riley was absolutely dealing during this time period.  There was 1 incomplete and an unfortunate facemask, but he was also hitting various receivers.  He actually hit 4 different receivers, including Tight End Anthony Miller, who seems to always have at least 1 clutch catch a game.  In 5 pass completions, Riley moved Cal from the Cal 23 to the ASU 7.  Riley is 5-6 on this drive for 85 yards (which is slightly off, since he had to deal with that facemask penalty setting him back), slinging the ball with authority. 

If you actually look one drive earlier, you'll see that Riley was dealing there, also.  From the above Play by Play link, here is the preceding drive:

 

California at 10:21 CAL ASU
1st and 10 at CAL 31 Jahvid Best rush for 3 yards to the Cal 34. 20 21
2nd and 7 at CAL 34 Kevin Riley pass complete to Alex Lagemann for 12 yards to the Cal 46 for a 1ST down.    
1st and 10 at CAL 46 CALIFORNIA penalty 10 yard Holding on Anthony Miller accepted.    
1st and 20 at CAL 36 Kevin Riley pass incomplete.    
2nd and 20 at CAL 36 Kevin Riley pass complete to Nyan Boateng for 12 yards to the Cal 48.    
3rd and 8 at CAL 48 Kevin Riley pass complete to Anthony Miller for 22 yards to the ArzSt 30 for a 1ST down.    
1st and 10 at ASU 30 Kevin Riley pass complete to Jahvid Best for 8 yards to the ArzSt 22.    
2nd and 2 at ASU 22 Jahvid Best rush for no gain to the ArzSt 22.    
3rd and 2 at ASU 22 Timeout CALIFORNIA, clock 5:55.    
3rd and 2 at ASU 22 Kevin Riley pass incomplete.    
4th and 2 at ASU 22 Giorgio Tavecchio 39 yard field goal MISSED.

 

There, Riley is 4-6 for 54 yards.  Again, throwing the ball very well.  Unfortunately, Tavecchio missed a key 39 yard field goal, causing one red faced man at Manny's to go absolutely ballistic!

Despite that unfortunate incident, if you look at Riley's 4th quarter stats, he is, by my pathetic math attempts, 9-12 for 139 yards.  Again, it's slightly off, because he had to throw for several yards twice thanks to a facemask penalty on Verran Tucker.  Nonetheless, it is to Riley's credit that he was able to deal with that setback and continue marching down the field.

So, at this point with Riley absolutely slinging it, what do Tedford and Ludwig do? 

Take the ball out of Riley's hands.

There are some reasons to do this.

1.  Cal is on the ASU 7 yard line.  So, with any reasonable kicker, you are playing with house money.

2.  There is still a lot of time left on the clock (like 1:30ish).  Assuming an accurate field goal is the end result of this drive, you want to bleed the clock of time.  Runs bleed clock time much more than passes do.

So, what is the immediate next play call?

1st Down Play Call

1st and Goal at ASU 7Shane Vereen rush for 2 yards to the ArzSt 5.

This was out of the WildBear formation.  While watching it live, I was incredibly frustrated by this call.  That was because I did not believe Tavecchio to be a reasonable kicker.  I know that is harsh to say and I duly apologize for it.  But having seen him lo these many games and the attempts earlier in the game, I just didn't trust him.  I realize that if your kicker can't hit a field goal from the 7 yard line, you might as well not have one.  Nonetheless, I didn't have the confidence in Tavecchio that Tedford did.  Tedford was right, so hard to squabble there.

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My perception of this play call (besides the time bleeding aspects) was to catch the defense off guard.  They were anticipating a throw, so to run might be sufficient to squeeze in a TD.  Plus, runs, in my experience, tend to have fewer failure rates than passes.  So, Tedford/Ludwig are going into a very conservative mode here. Again, in their mind they are playing with house money.  Take the least risky play and if it works, great.  If it doesn't, it is OK, because the likelihood of fumble is low and the Field Goal is there.  I understand that, although, running out of the WildBear seems to tip the D that they are going to see a run. 

Then again, the ASU run D is remarkably sick, giving up fewer than 3 yards per carry.  Perhaps Tedford/Ludwig felt the advantages of the additional blocker was greater than the element of surprise.  Having faith in the talent of their players over some sort of sleight of hand.

I offer no answers to some of the questions that I've raised.  Merely the concept that it seems there are MANY different things to discuss in how to make a play call.  And makes me feel incredibly unqualified to ever pass judgment as to playcalls.  Yet, I continue to write unabashedly!

So, that fails, kinda.  We don't get a TD, optimal result.  We also don't lose the ball, negative result.  But we do burn time off the clock.  And we gain a few yards to make the field goal attempt slightly easier.  So, overall positive result. 

That brings us to this next play.  And this one; well, it's a doozy.

2nd Down Play Call

2nd and Goal at ASU 5Shane Vereen pass incomplete.

 

HydroTech often speaks of specific tendencies.  That offensive coordinators call certain series of plays to set up later plays.  The specific example here is that although Cal has run the WildBear innumerable times this year, I don't quite remember them ever throwing out of it.  Or, in the alternative, they rarely, rarely, rarely throw out of it.

Now, the ASU Defensive coordinator now believes that Cal has gone into conservative mode.  They are in the WildBear again.  Riley is nowhere to be seen.  They are going to run again, right?  They've never passed out of that damnable formation before.  And passing, especially with a running back, in this situation, is extraordinarily dangerous. Some might even say foolish.

Time to set the trap?

Now, I cannot pretend to be inside the mind of Tedford/Ludwig.  But this is, to me, the most reasonable theory I can figure regarding this play call.  It was a remarkably ballsy call.

And yknow what, it almost worked!  It also didn't work.  Disastrously.  That is generally what happens when you execute an aggressive play like that.  The optimum and negative spectrum is much greater.  So, here the TD is nearly scored, but also an interception is almost made.  That play took about 4 years off my life.

3rd Down Play Call

After this, Tedford/Ludwig go into incredibly conservative mode and, I believe, took a knee.  HydroTech informs me that Riley centered the ball.  I don't quite remember, I was in full on panic mode by this point.  At the time, I was extraordinarily pissed that we didn't take an honest shot at the end zone with the red hot Riley there.  But, like I said, I didn't have the faith in our kicker.  Tedford/Ludwig did and, seeing the near disaster on 2nd down, wanted to run down the clock and ensure the best situation for our kicker occurred.  After I calmed down (i.e. after Tavecchio made the kick), I saw the wisdom in Tedford/Ludwig's 3rd down call.

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Conclusion

I honestly have no overarching conclusion here.  There's no TEDFORD IS GREAT! or TEDFORD IS STUPID! in my mind here.  By this post, I am not trying to really make a determination as to whether or not they were good or bad calls.  An argument could be made that, considering we achieve the optimum result in the end, a game-winning field goals, the calls were good.  That argument, to me, seems to lack some context, in specific, the high rate of failure for the Vereen throw.  Nonetheless, some credit has to be given for the win.  In the end, I merely wish to provide some context to what I perceive to be the reasoning behind the play calls.  I'll open it up to you:

What, dear readers, are your thoughts on these two play calls?

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What are your thoughts on the 2 play calls at the end of the ASU game? In specific, the 1st down WildBear run attempt and the 2nd down WildBear pass attempt.
I agreed with both play calls
100 votes
I agree with the 1st down WildBear run attempt, but disagreed with the 2nd down WildBear pass attempt
166 votes
I disagreed with the 1st down WildBear run attempt, but agreed with the 2nd down WildBear pass attempt
15 votes
I disagreed with both calls.
30 votes

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By the time we got to the 7, I wanted everything down there to be a run. With 1:30 left, I wanted that field goal to be tried as close to 00:00 as possible, and that old adage of “3 things can happen on a pass, two of them bad” doubly applies here as an incomplete stops the clock.

Also, having faced this situation once with an 5 year winning streak on the PS2, I threw a swing pass to my Heisman winning fullback (really!) it was picked off by the computer and taken in for the touchdown, so I’m a REAL big fan of running down there with little time left.

by LeonPowe on Nov 2, 2009 3:17 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, Ludwig was centering the ball on 3rd down, not really kneeling it down. There is a slight difference but noticeable one. Centering plays are more dangerous than kneel down plays – not by a lot but some more danger is there due to the centering.

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by HydroTech on Nov 2, 2009 3:20 AM PST reply actions  

If there was less time remaining it also crossed my mind that perhaps Tedford should have centered the ball on second down and kicked the field goal on third down. It’s actually not as crazy as it sounds, and is a common strategy among football coaches.

Let’s just say the clock was at like 40 seconds on the first down. It would have been something like… 1st down = run the ball to wind the clock down. 2nd down = center the ball. Call timeout with 10 seconds remaining. Kick the field goal on 3rd down.

If the field goal was good on 3rd down, it would have left perhaps around 6-7 seconds left on the clock. However; kicking on third down allows Cal to re-kick the field goal (on 4th down) if there is a bad snap on the initial field goal try (and assuming Cal recovers the bad snap).

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by HydroTech on Nov 2, 2009 3:25 AM PST reply actions  

i was thinking the same thing, but here the clock was at 1:09 when 1st down is snapped, and ASU still has a time out. Probably would have been 20 seconds or so by 3rd down if we ran then centered.

Has anyone ever seen this insurance strategy pay off? And does it also allow a rekick if it is blocked and recovered by the kicking team?

by slaphancock on Nov 2, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, a rekick is also allowed if the kick is blocked and never crosses the line of scrimmage, and then is recovered by the kicking team. See: the end of Northern Iowa @ Iowa earlier this year.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Nov 2, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

My thought re: the pass was that it was an unecessary risk at that point in the game. Yes, finally we see a pass from the Wildbear (and now perhaps we see why it hadn’t been done before) but unless you have no confidence in your kicker, why run the chance of an incompletion (stops the clock) or interception (ends game)? As it was, ASU was THIS close to getting into field goal range on the ensuing drive. A couple of runs in that situation and Cal kicks the FG on the final play of the game.

Alls well that ends well but still, poor management of the game.

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by Fire Starkey on Nov 2, 2009 6:23 AM PST reply actions  

great post Twist.

passing out of the wildbear = great
passing out of the wildbear at that time = not very smart (I’d say this even if they scored a TD)

I’m OK with running the ball 3 straight times from the 9 with anyone of Cal’s horses. I think with a red-hot Riley (and it feels good to say that), I don’t know why they used the wildbear formation in that situation. Riley’s pretty good at selling the fake, and ASU was certainly now aware that Riley (10 for his last 12) can hurt them through the air. Sofele fly sweep, Best off-tackle (if he was healthy), option, simple handoff to Vereen, or heck, even a high percentage RB screen (and I’d never thought I’d say that) would all have a) kept the clock going, b) still keep the defense thinking about Riley’s air game, c) made ASU use all of their timeouts early on allowing Cal to kick a last second FG if needed, and d) might have even scored a TD.

All that being said, on the other hand I absolutely love the “k we’re going to wildbear this bitch to death, but then we’re gonna pass!” That’s not JT’s style and I bet, in about 2 seconds, Erickson’s Depends were soiled when he saw Vereen pull it back to throw it.

I was 70% sure Tavecchio was going to hook it. Nonetheless, I wasn’t going to pissed at him.

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by carp on Nov 2, 2009 7:21 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with this, more or less. I’ve long felt that Tedford is too conservative, so I’m glad to see him mixing it up to try and win the game. If he thinks the players can execute, then let them try to execute it. Now, I agree that that precise moment is probably not the time when I personally would’ve chosen to try letting Vereen pass out of the Wildbear, but I’m not going to knock it. Besides, it was very close to being a successful play. Anyway, I appreciate the fact that Tedford took a risk and changed the script, and maybe even if it wasn’t the right risk at the right time, I’m not going to complain about the thought process.

by atomsareenough on Nov 2, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Pete.

I enjoy’d both play calls. though I also would have been happy with I Formation Off-tackle, on first and second down….

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by Rocksanddirt on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice comment

I was a bit surprised at the Wildbear pass at that time, but not upset by it. I think the element of surprise was definitely with Cal on choosing it, and the TD would have almost certainly cemented the game completely.

And, as Pete says, this wasn’t quite as dangerous in reality as it seemed, and while there was a chance ASU could have picked it, it would have been the result of a pretty outstanding and athletic play. As it was, it was all Burfict could do to knock it down — and that was only because the throw was kind of a hanging wobbler. Any amount of zip on the ball would have resulted in 6.

Most of all I like the aggression and somewhat reckless playcalling here as it stands as a setup for future games. Plays like this, especially at that situation, will be remembered by DCs and could potentially result in a slightly softer defense making a basic run, or short screen/out pass more effective.

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by SoCal Oski on Nov 2, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Any amount of zip on the ball would have resulted in 6.

I’m not sure this is true. With Burflict dropping back to cover Miller, Vereen would have had to find a way to drop it in over his head in order to get the completion. Watching the youtube clip I can’t see a lane for Vereen to throw a dart. In hindsight the best option would probably be to just throw it high and flat and let Miller make a play on the ball, but in any case Burflict dropping back into coverage made that a throw Vereen wasn’t likely to make.

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by AERose on Nov 2, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

My interpretation is that Cal was playing for the field goal, but wanted to take one shot at a touchdown

This is exactly what I thought.

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by HolmoePhobe on Nov 2, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I liked the playcalls, but...

…I think Vereen didn’t execute either particularly well. I don’t BLAME him…..I think these plays must have worked in practice….just sometimes the opposition defense doesn’t do the same things that the practice defense does. It didn’t seem like a near interception to me, given Miller’s skill and Burfict’s relative lack of pass defending experience.

by ohsooso on Nov 2, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

heh.

i don’t disagree, but i like going for the kill, even if it means we lose.

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by Rocksanddirt on Nov 2, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too !!!!!

And “going for the kill” in this situation means a FG while the clock expires (and while your TE blocks someone…….ANYONE!).

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by BTown85 on Nov 2, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

yes!

This is exactly how I feel. I just wrote a comment right above it before reading yours, but you said it better than I did.

by atomsareenough on Nov 2, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

For one brief moment, I thought that somehow Jim Zorn had taken over playcalling for Cal. I do not do not DO NOT like to see that kind of trickeration down by the end zone – there is way too much that can go wrong, it demonstrates a lack of confidence in one’s regular offense, and – most importantly – it took the ball out of the hands of a red-hot passer and put it in a passing play from a running back. On the goal line. With under a minute to play. Trailing by 2. Read those last three lines again.

There is absolutely no excuse for that kind of high-risk maneuver if you have any faith that a) Best can run, b) Vereen can run, c) somebody can make A block somewhere, d) Riley can throw, e) Riley can RUN, f) Little Italy can nail a field goal under 25 yards. You have to think that ALL THOSE are impossible before going to that halfback pass.

I don’t care if Our Lord reached down from Heaven, put on a headset and dialed that play up Himself – that was a stupid, stupid, stupid call, perhaps the worst I can remember since I started watching this team, and whoever was responsible for it should spend Monday doing themselves whatever they do to players who commit drive-ending personal fouls. Cal is not a WAC team that has to resort to that kind of hogwash to beat somebody, especially when they’d been plowing right through ASU all the way down to the goal line.

I understand that the running game was struggling, but the first call was right: use the single wing, just smash into the line three times, and if there’s no breakthrough, take the easy kick. Don’t get cute.

by VandyImport on Nov 2, 2009 8:37 AM PST reply actions  

It is kind of amusing to me that you and California Pete have the same level of passion about your own completely differing opinions. That shows how controversial it is.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Part of what makes this such an intriguing discussion is that neither side of the argument can point to the result on the field and say, “See, I’m right.” This play both worked (no turnover, Cal wins game) and didn’t work (no touchdown, “almost” an interception).

Regardless, this play—and this game—sure made me a fan of Vontaze Burfict. I went back and re-read CBG’s pre-season preview of the Sun Devils. This quote about the ASU freshman sure rings true today:

What makes Burfict special — aside from the physical intimidation — is his instinct for the game. Both Erickson and Bray noted that Burfict seems to have the innate ability to be in the right place at the right time.

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by California Pete on Nov 2, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Good points....

…..and maybe we get a little more conservative on such plays with him in the backfield in the future, or take the game away from him a little more (or try). Or encourage him to go pro, or something like that.

by ohsooso on Nov 2, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree

If you have a chance to win the game with a chip-shot FG with no time on the clock and you, instead, call a play that makes me SCREAM “WHAT ARE YOU DOING? NOOOOO !!!!” at the TV, then I think I get to say, “See, I’m right!” UNLESS, you have NO confidence in you kicker, in which case it’s time to join the FCS (or whatever Div. II is called these days).

And I agree; I’m on the Burfict Bandwagon.

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by BTown85 on Nov 2, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

We disagree, although I can’t really fault your logic. It’s more about attitude and comfort levels with varying degrees of risk. But I will challenge one statement:

Cal is not a WAC team that has to resort to that kind of hogwash to beat somebody

It’s not just the Boise States of the world that run these sorts of plays. Florida and USC pull these stunts all the time. The 4th-and-inches pass play that beat Daymeion Hughes back in ‘06 is one that still haunts me. Cal had the better team that year, I am convinced, but USC made the plays in the 4th quarter while the Bears didn’t. And I personally think it had a lot to do with attitude, particularly Pete Carroll’s willingness to roll the dice. This is much of the reason why I found the Vereen pass so refreshing.

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by California Pete on Nov 2, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s more about attitude and comfort levels with varying degrees of risk. But I will challenge one statement:

Yeah, I definitely agree here. There’s no real right or wrong answer, although conventional wisdom would have suggested to just run the ball to kill more clock. But lots of fans have wanted a more killer instinct from Cal’s OC’s, so I’m not too surprised to see that some of us really like the playcall.

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by HydroTech on Nov 2, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

it demonstrates a lack of confidence in one’s regular offense

I disagree. I don’t think there’s a “regular” offense. I think there’s just an offense, and if it’s in the playbook, the players should be able to run the play competently. If it’s an unusual play, then you’re demonstrating your confidence in the offense’s ability to execute it.

Also, if they had no faith that Tavecchio could nail the field goal, then why did they burn 3rd down with a knee and kick the FG on 4th down? Those are two more shots at the end zone. Also, Best was gimpy, Vereen may well have had an option to run the ball, and you don’t have to believe that none of those things were possible, you just have to believe that the odds or payoff would be better for the chosen play.

by atomsareenough on Nov 2, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with atomsareenough. Using the wildbear on those plays had nothing to do with lack of confidence in the regular offense. Ludwig was planning on using the wildbear pass as soon as the Bears got that 1st and 10 down in their endzone (there is a quote from Tedford implying that Ludwig called the plays on that final drive). The first down play was to set up the second down pass. So it’s not that Ludwig didn’t trust the offense, but that he had a specific play in mind that he wanted to call (the wildbear pass), and he needed to set up that specific play with another play right before (the first down wildcat run).

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by HydroTech on Nov 2, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Is this the place to discuss the career of ex-ASU cheerleader Courtney Simpson (formerly Courtney Cox)?

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by carp on Nov 2, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

No. She’s disappointing anyway.

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by Thoroughbred on Nov 2, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

only if the conversation veers towards nsfw land.

doens’t have to get there, just make that turn in the road.

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by Rocksanddirt on Nov 2, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I like the Wildbear run at that time. It was sort of a QB draw to kill clock. I didn’t particularly like the call to throw but I don’t think it was as big of a problem as others make it out to be.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 2, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

I think the main thing that went wrong with the pass is pictured below. Vereen was told to be very cautious about not making a mistake, so I’m guessing he threw it high to get it over the heads and hands of the defense, #34 in particular.

Those collapsing LBs make the throw tougher, but that’s exactly why the play would have worked. The defense (except Burfict who always seems to be in two places at once) keys in on the run and leaves Miller wide open for a moment. I loved the play call. It was perfect to take advantage of a defense that was expecting anything but a pass. If #34 had been blocked or didn’t leap to the heavens, maybe things would have been different. Either way, I’m looking forward to more passes out of the wildcat.

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by Berkelium97 on Nov 2, 2009 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

I can’t watch the video at work…but was the pass really “almost intercepted”? Because I don’t remember that being the case.

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by HolmoePhobe on Nov 2, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

Look at that photo at the top there. Burfict was right there. I remember it going off of his hands.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Burflict was in position to catch it, but Miller was also in position to play defensive back if he had to. Given that we’re talking about a linebacker and a tight end here, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that pass was most likely to just fall incomplete.

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by AERose on Nov 2, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

not exactly though...

It went off his left hand, and then off his right, then another ASU player’s helmet, and then he lunged for it with his right, but he was off-balance and falling over, and he never had two hands on it.

by atomsareenough on Nov 2, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Close enough to scare the beejesus out of me.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, buy the time he made the last lunge, the ball was way out of bounds. See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2IngaXj04#t=2m24s

I do think that if the other ASU player (#5) hadn’t come rushing in towards the ball, Burfict may well have been able to catch it off the deflection. However, any defender would be rushing in to try and break that pass up, so that’s kind of a moot point.

by sycasey on Nov 2, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Look, I can take a hint. You and atomsareenough hate me. I get it. I’m going to go eat some worms.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s true that if that was completed, I would have run the streets of Berkeley naked in excitement. It would have been so unbelievably epic. Oh well.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

THANK GOD IT WAS INCOMPLETE

I don’t need that memory should I happen to have seen it.

by tmoran3020 on Nov 2, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Considering I was watching the game with you…THANK GOD THAT PASS WASN’T COMPLETED.

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by HolmoePhobe on Nov 2, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this comment completely. The upside of the play was huge, and the downside minimal.

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by HolmoePhobe on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Minimal???

The defender got two hands on the pass (thankfully at separate times), and another crashing defender had it bounce off his helmet. It would have been an incredible interception, but it was certainly possible by either of the defenders.

by tmoran3020 on Nov 2, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I mean, people have been arguing incessantly that Tedford is too conservative and too cautious. This is EXACTLY the type of play that refutes that, and people still complain! With ANY ballsy playcall there is a risk that something will go wrong. It’s sports!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 2, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that thesis, but to say that there was minimal downside is ludicrous. There was significant downside – now it may well have been worth it (I don’t think it was in this case, you gotta pick your battles and the line between aggressive and stupid is a fine one), but don’t minimize the risk.

by tmoran3020 on Nov 2, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I need to watch the video again (can’t while I’m at work) to see how close it came to being a pick. I don’t remember it as being particularly close – if it was almost picked, then I’m wrong and the downside would be greater.

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by HolmoePhobe on Nov 2, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Is YouTube blocked? Couldn’t you watch it on mute?

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say it was “almost” picked – it wasn’t, although two defenders had a shot. If either had made the interception it would have been an amazing play on their part.

What I’m saying is that the downside of a trick play pass at that point in the game – regardless of whether it was almost picked or was run to perfection – has tremendous downside and risk. In this case the defender did NOT bite on the run and was in decent position to at least defend, possibly intercept, the pass. I would have liked Vereen to read that and not throw the pass, but that is asking way too much from a running back, hence why the risk is high on a play like that.

by tmoran3020 on Nov 2, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Watching that last kick again, I wonder if Miller will try blocking someone next time?

by turkey on Nov 2, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

For an agonizing split second, I was certain it was going to be blocked. Way too close…

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by Berkelium97 on Nov 2, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

it was a little too much of the, i’m just gonna stand here and make them run around me style of blocking.

by turkey on Nov 2, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually didn't mind the play call

I was more upset with the bad throw from Vareen. I bet in practice Vareen throws a wicked spiral. Hindsight is always 20/20. Vareen throws a great pass, we score 6 and everyone here and on any other Cal web board is praising Tedford and Ludwig.

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by Hey Bowles Hall! on Nov 2, 2009 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

It’s Vereen!

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 2, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

oops.

sorry about that. I knew something was funny about that spelling!

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by Hey Bowles Hall! on Nov 2, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

What?

That was an awesome call. The throw was imperfect, but it was a great call nonetheless. Imagine what our reactions would have been if the ball was caught.

by coolingfan on Nov 2, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

I’d be happy. But I still would have disagreed with the playcall.

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by HydroTech on Nov 2, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

I think we do need to be more aggressive in general. But the time for that is not at the 7 yard line, not when two points on a chip shot extra point field goal wins the game. Do it in the third quarter when we weren’t moving the ball. All they had to do was run it twice, center the ball, kick the nearly gimmie field goal as time expires. Instead, the pass was almost intercepted and ASU had time to get pretty far down the field for their own game winning field goal. Yikes.

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by CBKWit on Nov 2, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

The only reason I disagreed with the call

Is that it guaranteed ASU would get the ball back. It really has nothing to do with aggressive or passive. For some reason I’d have liked the calls more if 2nd and 3rd down had been switched around (i.e. a run play to the middle, then a throw out of the Wildcat when it looks like all Vereen is doing is centering the ball). If they had taken the shot on 3rd down, when there was maybe 30 seconds left and you’re trying to, I’d have liked it better.

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by Avinash on Nov 2, 2009 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

*when there was maybe 30 seconds left and ASU is thinking Cal’s just going to run the clock out, I’d have liked it better. On 2nd down the ASU defense is still probably playing straight up, while there’s a better chance to catch them off guard on 3rd down. But I could be wrong.

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by Avinash on Nov 2, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Riley's man almost intercepts ball

Not sure if anyone else noticed this (or even if it’s been mentioned previously), but while Burfict breaks up the pass, it is ASU’s #5 who is in position to pick off the the ball had it been more fortuitously deflected. ASU #5 was the DB covering Riley on the play, and, since he doesn’t expect Riley to be a legit receiver, basically vacates his assignment as soon as the ball is snapped. Normally, he’d have no business being in the area to make a play on the ball.

Maybe Cal should completely get Riley off the field for the Wildbear formation, or actually throw to him at some point (I’d prefer the former).

by I hate $C on Nov 2, 2009 10:35 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe Cal should completely get Riley off the field for the Wildbear formation, or actually throw to him at some point (I’d prefer the former).

I completely understand your reasoning for these statements. As for why Cal does not get Riley completely off the field on wildbear plays, the reasoning is that the defense would be alerted prior to the play that Cal will be in wildbear. The defense watches the offense’s substitutions and when they see Riley go out, they will know what’s up.

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by HydroTech on Nov 3, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

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