Cal Men's Basketball vs Syracuse, Pregame/First Half Open Thread
by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 3:00 PM PST
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PrintQuick links to get you ready for this. Tipoff is approximately 7:10 PM EST/4:10 PM PST, coverage on ESPN2.
BREAKING NEWS: Theo is out with a foot injury. Jorge would likely take his place in the starting lineup, and we could see more Amoke and Seeley too. Harper Kamp is still out and did not make the trip to New York.
- Faraudo's been beastly. Got quotes from Jim Boheim, says Jerome Randle is the key to breaking the Syracuse defense, Cal players adjusting to Madison Square Garden, a 20 question interview with Nikola that doesn't talk about being Michael Cera's body-double, a history of MSG...well done Jeff.
- Jeff Goodman of the Daily Cal talks about the team's arrival in NYC, as well as a podcast about how to break down the famous 2-3 zone.
- Jim Boeheim is happy with his team's defensive effort in his team's most recent victories.
- Wilner ranks Cal 14th, 2 spots behind UW. Hat tip to Berkelium for gathering most of these links!
- Shameless self-promotion: CBKWitness recaps the first two games, ieeebear puts the video highlights of Murray State up, and we talk about the game on the podcast for the last few minutes. Additionally, here's our four-way roundtable with the UNC, Syracuse and Ohio State SBN blogs!
This is your thread for the first half. Second half thread will be up around halftime.
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Theo Robertson is my favorite player and has been since his big shots his frosh year. FML
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
You guys know me: I feel I’m one of the most optimistic/rose-colored glasses Cal fans…
And I’m already breaking things around my house and cussing at my pets.
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Is this the place for me to hang out?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I dunno. I’ll let T-Bred decide.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, Theo Robertson may not play. Shit has already gotten serious.
You probably couldn’t do any more harm than that. Feel free
I just don’t care about anything any more :( :( :(
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Theo Definitely Out
http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2009/11/19/basketball-robertson-definitely-out-for-cuse/
I just don’t know what to feel anymore.
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
If he can hit 49% of his threes, I may learn to love again
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Jorge is best when he's off the bench
He provides a huge boost of energy. He’ll also have to be more cautious defensively because he’ll need to play starters minutes.
When a player like Theo goes down, it’s not just missing him that hurts, it’s all the other guys who have to change their roles.
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I think Theo has secretly been our most ‘clutch’ player during his tenure at Cal. At crazy consistent.
I really feel like he’s the best player on our team (in terms of college basketball)
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
*And crazy consistent
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree
Randle has been really clutch and is probably less replaceable than Theo. PC presents a lot of problems for other teams because of his athleticism and good shooting.
But yeah, no Theo is a big blow.
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all I know is that I want Theo to be taking the last second three of any game. just a gut feeling.
you’re right that Randle is less replaceable (and I really hope he does not try to force things because Theo is gone)
in order of replaceability at this point:
Randle>Robertson>PChris
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
can someone give me background info (in one sentence) on how impt this game is? Didn’t ’cuse lose earlier in the year to a really shitty team?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
that was an exhibition game, and they were running a completely different D just to test shit out.
it’s one of our biggest games of the year for national profile.
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Very important, I believe
It will (if we win) establish ourselves as legitimate and may end up being quite a boon to our RPI, if that becomes important this year. Plus, it’s as close to a genuine road game as you can get on a “neutral” floor, so it can help make us battle tested.
Praise be to Tedford!
in essence, if we lose, it will be the same thing ’BUT MARYLAND PUNKED CAL AT HOME. CAL SUXS. LOL FUCK YOU PAC-10"
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
and this is where I exit the thread.
I’m all sorts of bad juju for the men’s basketball team.
Let’s just say I started watching the Jason Kidd NCAA tourney when they were playing UW-Green Bay.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Not important – bigger deal to be in games like this than to win them. A win is important for seeding, but this isn’t football where “every game matters.”
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
I think if this game runs over
You might see the start on ESPN360.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions
It doesn’t matter.
Nothing matters anymore.
FIRE BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Where to watch start of game
Since ESPN has this other game ending – will last a LONG time. What’s the alternative?
Ah!
Looks like Cal is on the Kentucky menu item and Kentucky is on the Cal menu item. Says it’s “About to Begin”.
Nothing matters, comptontom… didn’t you hear? Theo Robertson will not play. We’re DOOMEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Come on dude
If this was last year we’d be fucked, but this season we probably have enough to be okay tonight.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
No way. Syracuse is a good, athletic team. Don’t read anything into that LeMoyne manure. You know it’s bad when I’ve turned bearish. It’s a market indicator!
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno, you’re the biggest homer I know…
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, no kidding!
I saw JF’s post an hour ago.
But I’m still going to watch.
We probably won’t have enough size against ANY of the big teams this year, so while Theo’s shooting would have helped a lot, we are going to be exposed for having short and lack of depth on the inside. Everyone knew this. Kamp being out also kills us.
Maybe he will end up redshirting.. Ha!
I think ESPN is holding the tip in NY until this Indiana Ole Miss game is over
seems like it.
though i’m not so sure about getting ‘exposed’ any more than we were last year… we’ll see about that. i dunno though. it will be a huge surprise if we win this game now, and it will really tell me something about the talent on the team.
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Good point.
I get so bummed about the lack of a true big inside to round out our otherwise solid team and then remind myself (and surprise…
THEY TIPPED!!! ON ESPN360!
ESPN360 still has "About to Begin" with music
so the network is definitely holding the tip until this game finishes. Everyone out there can relax and wait for the finish on tv.
Tip
They just started.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Hi
I made it.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:09 PM PST reply actions
Switch to the game
THIS ONE’S BEEN OVER for five minutes.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions
Am I allowed to watch this game? I haven’t seen a team that I wanted to win actually win a game so far this year.
Proud to hold season tickets to the only NBA team soon to be owned by a Russian oligarch.
Better question: WHY ARE YOU NOT AT THE GAME.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve got some bad juju going. Also, I couldn’t find anyone to go with.
Proud to hold season tickets to the only NBA team soon to be owned by a Russian oligarch.
by yellow fever on Nov 19, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Nice D by Jorge.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions
Don’t forget an occasional score and time for us watching by proxy thru you k thanks bye.
Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic.
Cal 5, Syracuse 2, 17:58
Boykin 2 fouls
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Amoke’s in.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Rautins for 3
Now 9-5 Syracuse.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:18 PM PST reply actions
pretty bright on tv with tawny golden court, the orange and yellow uni's
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
9-7 Syracuse
Orangemen getting the Bears to bite on fouls and drives.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:20 PM PST reply actions
Live Stream
I am watching the game here.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:20 PM PST reply actions
Doris Burke is seriously bumming me out with that Theo report.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:22 PM PST reply actions
Gutierrez
That was a nice finish with the left hand.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:23 PM PST reply actions
That's a lot of facepalm
'we're #1, we're #1, we're#---SHIT.'
-- 10/13/2007, a day that will live in infamy.
aw, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
by BerkeleyChris on Nov 19, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Dunk fail.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:26 PM PST reply actions
At school until 7:30. Justintv and atdhe are blocked. Help me CGB.
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by rollonubears on Nov 19, 2009 4:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I don’t care. Telepathy if available. For fucks sake someone drive a tv to my school. Anything.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
by rollonubears on Nov 19, 2009 4:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Syracuse 21, Cal 14. Bears look pretty out of sync.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Bears are committing way too many fouls. Those quick two on Boykin are killing us. We need him in the game.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:29 PM PST reply actions
I was just thinking about that. 3 mins and he racked up 2. What a awful handicap for us.
by CaliforniaBone on Nov 19, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Cuse is getting home calls right now from the refs. Cal is getting bumped on every possession and fouls are not getting called.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Well…we knew that would happen coming in. Boykin committed one bad foul.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ugly
This is terrible.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:33 PM PST reply actions
Seeley got raked on the hand there. Oh wells.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:33 PM PST reply actions
that’s some serious Braunian perimeter passing
'we're #1, we're #1, we're#---SHIT.'
-- 10/13/2007, a day that will live in infamy.
Ben Braun killed basketball for me...
…but Jorge brought it back to life.
Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic.
People who’ve impressed me: Trish, Jardine, Johnson…none of the Bears so far.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions
We are going to have to foul more athletic teams – get used to it this year
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
We look awful and it isn’t just ebcause Theo is gone. These sort of things is why non-UCLA Pac-10 teams get no respect.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Oh come on…Pac-10 get plenty of basketball respect – the draft has been absolutely dominated by Pac-10 players for the past two years.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
I am talking about national media. The FSN TV deal really hurts. That’s a fact.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Yeah, but that doesnt really matter in basketball. Pac-10 teams consistently perform well in the tourney. So who cares?
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
I wish I could say something positive about this one…
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions
I don’t really know what’s going on—they’re having trouble dribbling, passing, shooting…
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Turnovers and Fouls
It’s a 4:1 ratio in turnovers and a 3:1 ratio in fouls.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions
Who is scoop jardine and why does his name anger me over gamecast?
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by rollonubears on Nov 19, 2009 4:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Whats going on
Is the fact that when the Bears make a pass it’s careless and easily, easily telegraphed. Too many stupid fouls as well!
no theo, no harper, no defense
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Hey there, are you going to say Monty should be fired during this game?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Oh boy, you are here to make this less enjoyable.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
I’m looking forward to your next fanpost.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Cal doesn’t get to the line often? I think they do and they shoot very well.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Free Throws
We have taken 67 in two games.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Finish at the Rim
How many times are you going to get blocked tonight?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions
I’m pretty sure our height is augmenting their “length”.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Foul Trouble
Sanders-Frison has three fouls and Boykin has two.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:48 PM PST reply actions
No
He’s our best big man.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
You’re an idiot. Comment again and I ban you.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Bears might as well put five shooters on the floor and zone them back. Their inside game sucks tonight.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:48 PM PST reply actions
Seriously guys. I just want Randle to shoot 40-50 threes. I think that’s a good strategy at this point.
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
Blocking Foul
I am not surprised since we were on defense.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions
all right, well i’m not going to add to any doom and gloom from now on. let’s regroup
GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!
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Damn, they did send some of the Cal Band.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 19, 2009 4:52 PM PST reply actions
Nope. Looks like a high school cover band.
by CaliforniaBone on Nov 19, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
THAT'S SOME SERIOUS BS FOUL CALL
'we're #1, we're #1, we're#---SHIT.'
-- 10/13/2007, a day that will live in infamy.
Zhang
That first free throw was a pretty big clang. Miss it on purpose to one of our guys, Max.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 4:58 PM PST reply actions
It was already burned last week. I think it makes sense for class balance purposes.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
you can always play a game before the 6th of the season. max did it his frehsman year too.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
He played against Detroit.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 19, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Is that still true? I was attempting to look it up the other day – There used to be rules like this but I thought they went away.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
eh, 4 years for a basketball player is an eternity these days
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Judging by that play – he probably needed 10.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Whether he wants it or not gameover in that regard. No one can tell me this guy is ready.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
won’t be diagnosed til they return home.
so, yeah.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
not really… he’s always been like this.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Do you have any idea what you’re talking about? PC is a shooter and can’t create his own shot. Nothing has changed.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Christopher did create his own shots several times in the first half.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
PC is average at best at ballhandling and driving to the basket. He is a good shooter and he is big time ups. Not saying he is bad.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
yeah, that’s definitely him in a nutshell
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Well – we weren’t playing Syracuse – that may be the difference.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
level of competition solely. this is syracuse. they are a basketball power every season, no matter the ranking.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t mean to imply that you were saying he was bad. Especially early, he was the only guy out there who was doing much of anything – and he is our only player who can compete physically with anyone on Syracuse.
by Tedfordisgod on Nov 19, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
That's right
I think Randle could too but he has to start getting to the free throw line with his dribble or at least put Zhang there and do what he did with Boykin. That could get us back into the game.
keys to second half:
1) get inside the zone. high post / short corner
2) get back in transition
3) extend our defense a little and contest shooters
1) Somehow get Jerome open looks behind the 3
2) Profit.
WHAT'S YOUR DEAL?
by Thoroughbred on Nov 19, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
SECOND HALF THREAD
Go here before your eyeballs start burning.
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