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Is the Cal Offensive Line Failing Due to Talent or Coaching?

 

Although the postgame article about our offensive line was meant in jest, some people like Cali49a took what I was saying seriously.

Let’s look across the line at what we have. LT Tepper is a good guy, but he’s not nearly as good as he’s been made out to be. LG was a RS Frosh starting who got injured and his replacements are a former walk-on in Fisher and a current walk-on in Boskovitch, who spends more time whiffing on blocks and losing his feet of any OL I’ve seen in the Tedford era. Our Center is an undersized RS-JR taking his first meaningful snaps at C but who has no business playing that position, especially against top notch DTs. The RG is a RS-So who has the size to play the position but has lapses. The RT is a RS-So who has been pretty reliable. The TEs cannot reliably block and are all young. Just looking at our starters, they are a recipe for inconsistency. As much as size of OL is important, mentally they need to know their assignments and how to adjust on the fly when blocking, which comes from repetition.

In a sense, the line is still young with 3 underclassmen starters. The interior of the OL is the biggest issue right now, and quite frankly, the reason why we absolutely stink running between the tackles.

While this post was funny to read because it pokes fun at a glaring weakness on our O, this post really does not look at the root of the problem: recruiting. There have been too many scholarship busts and/or misses on the OL front in 05-06 and we are really feeling it now. There is exactly ONE starter on the OL from those classes. Guys from those 2 classes are who should be starting right now unless there were some super sensational underclassmen who could beat them out. That is not the case.

To clarify, no, I don't think Steve Marshall should be fired. In general, with college coaches, I don't think you fire people who've been here one year unless they totally faceplant (and in any case with Marshall, given his previous track record, he'll probably leave of his own accord). However, I do feel that he and Andy Ludwig have missed some crucial elements in developing their guys, some controllable, some not. And those struggles have resulted in these offensive stinkbombs we've seen against good defenses.

How much of Cal's O-line struggles have been due to talent, and how much has been due to coaching?

After the jump, I look at both sides.

Star-divide

So one possibility is talent. It's been argued by many people, especially Hydro, that maybe these guys just aren't who we thought they were.

 

In the podcast, CBKWit makes the argument that this is one of our highest star rated offensive lines perhaps ever during the Tedford era.  CBKWit made this comment in response to my remark suggesting that the OL's poor performance could be a talent issue.  It seems that CBKWit might have been disagreeing with me.  If that is so, CBKWit is clearly making the assumption that the higher the star rating of the player, the more talented they are.  Such a notion is generally true, but not always.  CBKWit seems to make it a forgone conclusion that is always true and thus this year's highly rated OL suckage cannot be due to lack of talent; hence obviously a coaching problem.  I disagree.  I think it's possible that there is a talent issue here, perhaps as well as a coaching issue.  I have not discounted the talent issue, whereas CBKWit seems to have done so.  CBKWit points to last year's OL which started Guarnero (prior to injury), Cheadle, and Boskovich (after Guarnero's injury) as evidence that this OL shouldn't be this bad due to the fact that so many of this year's starters saw playing time last year and were fairly productive.  Last year, I personally thought Guarnero was doing fine at guard.  However, I was not that impressed with Cheadle or Boskovich.  Thus, I am not convinced that just because he have players from last year's OL, which performed decently well although not great, means that this year's OL cannot be suffering from lack of talent.

Here's been our starting depth chart the past few seasons, starting with 2006 as the first season our entire O-line was ranked by Rivals (some of these guys could be wrong from 2006, let me know). Thanks to AERose for gathering this data up.

2006

Mike Tepper (2 stars/2 stars)--2
Erik Robertson (2 stars/1 star)-1.5
Alex Mack (2 stars/2 stars)--2
Norris Malele (3 stars/3)--3
Scott Smith (2 stars)--2

Average rating: 2.11

2007

Mike Tepper (2 stars/2 stars)--2
MIke Gibson (4 stars/4 stars)--4
Brian De La Puente (???)
Noris Malele (3 stars/3 stars)-3
Alex Mack (2 stars/2 stars)-2

Average rating: 2.75

2008

Mark Boskovich (???)
Noris Malele (3 stars/3 stars)-3
Alex Mack (2 stars/2 stars)-2
Chet Teofilo (2 stars/2 stars)-2
Mitchell Schwartz (3 stars/3 stars)-3
Justin Cheadle (3 stars/4 stars)-3.5

Average rating: 2.75

2009

Mike Tepper (2 stars/2 stars)-2
Mitchell Schwartz (3 stars /3 stars)-3
Matt Summers-Gavin (4 stars/4 stars)-4
Justin Cheadle (3 stars/4 stars)-3.5
Chris Guarnero (4 stars/3 stars)-3.5
Mark Boskovich (???)

Average rating: 3.2

Of course the star rating only tells so much, but as you can see on average Cal's recruiting star ratings are better than the last few years, and there seems to be no correlation with star rating and rushing success (hell, you could say the relation's nearly INVERSE; the lower the star rating, the better Cal's O-line has done.) This could probably lead you to think that recruiting stars are bunk.

So while I agree with Cali49a, that yes, the offensive line has had depth problems and too many walk-ons coming in to fill crucial roles, I also feel that the Bears talent is still comparable to those of previous seasons. Although a lot of the guys we recruited haven't been up to snuff, they still shouldn't be struggling this much, especially with almost all of them except Summers-Gavin seeing action last season. This should be a line that dropped off a little, not a lot, even with Mack and Malele gone.

So let's assume these guys aren't terrible o-linemen. That leads us to coaching. If the problem isn't talent, What are the problems that could be going on here?


1) The offensive coordinator turnover. Hydro mentioned in the podcast how O-linemen were having difficulty adapting to Cignetti's new pass blocking schemes (explaining the struggles in protecting Longshore and Riley). You can only imagine how difficult the Bears O-linemen are doing with all the different looks they've run in the run blocking game with Ludwig's offense installed. Perhaps we'll see drastic improvement next season when these guys have had time to run through the system, but right now it just isn't there.

2) Fullback and tight end blocking dropoff. This is where I do agree with Cali49a. In terms of tight ends, the Bears really haven't had great tight end blocking since Craig Stevens was lining up. But Brian Holley? Nice enough guy, but big big downgrade from Ta'ufo'ou in terms of blocking awareness. Who exactly Cal's fullback will be next year (Kapp?) will need to show better than Holley has this year. And Anthony Miller will hopefully become as good a blocker as he is a receiver.

3) The complexity of the offense. This might be the biggest issue for me. We've talked over and over how the Bears offense has gotten more sophisticated as time has gone by (and that in turn has led to the quarterback struggles). While that might give us all sorts of delight as fans to watch, the fact is the players aren't getting older with them. So the learning curve has grown steeper for new players, like a sadistic professor who decides to add three hundred more pages of reading each year for the same class, with an occasional extra midterm thrown in there. You can only imagine how difficult it is for offensive linemen to struggle to do so much.

4) Failure to adapt. The fact is these players are not going to grow old with us. They're going to leave for other places and that means Cal's coaching staff have to adapt to the situation. We have to recognize that our offensive linemen might not be as experienced or as gifted as previous guys like Mack and Ta'ufo'ou.  So instead of throwing so many different looks in our playcalling perhaps we should return to the more stodgy but effective type of play that defined early Tedford football, especially in the run game.

One of the beautiful things about Coach M's style of line coaching is that we ran the same two plays almost every time in the run game, and defenses were lost trying to stop them.  As Hydro described it, "Defenses knew what was coming, and they could almost never stop it from going." (Now on the flip side, defenses WERE catching up to Cal's offense as the years went by (the Bears running game dipped in production every year since 2004), so there might be the need to evolve as time goes by. But hey, sometimes it's best not to fix things that aren't broken.)

5) Coaching development. This is where I attribute blame to the coaches directly. I don't think we need to bring Coach M back to recognize those issues, nor even make Marshall the scapegoat for our failings. But it's clear that Alex Mack, Mike Tepper and many others from our more successful squads were not highly sought-after talents, yet they evolved into O-line forces of nature in their collegiate primes. Although Michalziak might not have been the greatest recruiter, he did a great job making these guys execute on Saturdays. How much of this had to do with the simplicity of the offense might be difficult to say, but I've always found simple works best with young offensive lines. Just look at how Oregon has recovered from the Boise fiasco, when their line couldn't block stationary objects. Simple effective blocking techniques set loose their offensive players.

6) Recognizing the big picture. As the guy now overseeing the program, Tedford should try and recognize that players, based on their individual experience level and their collective experience as a unit, need to be treated differently on a year-by-year basis. He, like many fans, incorrectly assessed the losses of our top three blockers and assumed we'd get by with the experience the returning starters had managed. That's clearly not been the case. Now that he's no longer playcalling, his job in the games is to manage and see what's going on beyond the Xs and Os. I'd say he hasn't done a very good job of that this season, especially with regards to the offensive line (and of course there are other issues, but that's for another day). Running the same set of plays and schemes (inside zone run) over and over again seems like a peculiar type of madness.

Whatever's going on, coaching or talentwise, with only three games left, it's probably too late to fix these deficiencies until the bowl game, and we've got to ride the ship the end and hope somehow we can pull some wins out before we reach port. And then hope everything gets back together for next year's cruise.

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Cal's O-line struggles are due to...
coaching issues more than talent issues.
53 votes
talent issues more than coaching issues.
16 votes
coaching and talent issues about the same.
57 votes
something else entirely.
7 votes

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Hasn’t our o-line seen troubles in the past also? 2006 was terrible from what I recall. Longshore made more conservative decisions in throwing the ball away and I remember seeing that over and over again against the better teams (Tennesee and SC). This is still a problem today when we play the better teams (well a huge problem in 2009 apparently)

by dmo580 on Nov 11, 2009 12:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Uh Cal only allowed 12 sacks in 2006, tied for 3rd best in the country. They allowed 51 tackles for loss, 10th best in the country. Their running offense was 35th in yards per game (a little low compared to other teams), but T-13th in yards per attempt (the more crucial stat). I’d say the O-line has been much worse this season in both run and pass blocking.

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by Avinash on Nov 11, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even before reading Avi's numbers

I thought it was weird to call out the 2006 offensive line. A more defensible argument is that 2006 was our last truly good offensive line Not saying I’d go that far, but 2006 was far from “terrible.”

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Nov 11, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even the 2007 offensive line was pretty good (not great, good). 44th in yards per game, T-14th in rushing yards per attempt, T-3rd in sacks allowed. But it’s been dropping off a cliff since then.

Email: bearsnecessities@gmail.com

by Avinash on Nov 11, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

*rushing yards per game

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by Avinash on Nov 11, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t the 2007 O-line give up some ridiculously low number of sacks? Like 11 for the whole season?

My issue with the 2007 O-line was short yardage. We seemed to have tons of trouble picking up 3rd and short that season.

Praise be to Tedford!

by Ohio Bear on Nov 11, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Big shock there - you don't want this guy fired either ;).

I don’t either. Give him a shot. I didn’t even have to read your article to know you wouldn’t advocate firing him. Does the Cal Athletic Department pay you guys to be the PR machine for the football team.

In all seriousness, nicely written article. Thank you very much for all of your hard work.

by 33SwisherSweet on Nov 11, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

As for the first thing, I have yet to see a paycheck. COME ON SANDY, I’M BEING AS NICE AS I CAN BE!

Email: bearsnecessities@gmail.com

by Avinash on Nov 11, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the BLAHEST team in Tedford's era

Usually by this time, I have games that I won’t unDVR until the next season. Last year, I had Big Game, Jahvid’s 8 billion against UW, the UCLA game, Miami game etc. But this year, the team is just blah and I only have the UCLA and ASU game DVR’d. There’s no sense of excellence anywhere on the field, just question marks. The offensive line doesn’t blow anyone off the ball. I have a sneaking suspicion that we’ve seen the best Riley has to offer. Our CB’s are getting lit up regularly. Our WR’s are miss (Ross), miss (Tucker), then hit (Jones). Even Jahvid isn’t getting free regularly.

With this game against Arizona, I’m fully expecting the same blah game. We need a spark. I’m hoping Deboskie gives me a bit of that. Or maybe some plays we haven’t seen on offense? Just something…

Sorry about the rant…

by BlackandOldGold on Nov 11, 2009 4:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like both the description of “BLAH” team (I agree) and the DVR litmus test. I do that also.

by sec119 on Nov 11, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope it’s Sofele.

The Lack of Mack's Imposition Attacks My Disposition.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 11, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

After watching how well Oregon used the fly sweep last Saturday, I’m thinking Sofele should get a fair number of touches against the Furd. Which is a double whammy if it actually works, since the fly sweep works great for shotgun playaction.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Nov 12, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only way this season can be unBlahed, is by my personal attendance at a bowl game. And if we’re going to a middling bowl, make it the Vegas Bowl. When we played BYU, my buddy and I had a ball. The stadium is in the middle of nowhere. There’s traffic everywhere. When you get there, you realize that the stadium would be a high school stadium in LA. But hell, you get gambling, liquor and uh…dancing girls… And that’s just from the BYU fans.

by BlackandOldGold on Nov 11, 2009 4:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

OL Coaching

I’m not sold on Marshall yet, but at the same time I don’t think anyone should be calling for his head.

New coaches tend to bring new philosophies and abilities. Sometimes it take a while for that sort of culture change to take root. Marshall may be one of those kind of guys. I would be willing to suffer a year of horrible OL play for an improvement in years 2 and 3. But if the same problems re: run & pass blocking exist during the 3rd year, he has got to go.

In any case, I am not ready to give up on my beloved Bears. There are still three games to go – all equally winnable as losable — and I am in this through up and down.

Go freaking Bears!

On ATQ I'm known as JSoCal Oski

It's spelled J-etc

by SoCal Oski on Nov 11, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

What worries me about Marshall is one of the things that Avi brought up in his first post on the subject, that A.) Marshall has presided over some really terrible offensive lines, and B.) he never stays in one place for more than one or two seasons at a time. It could be that B caused A, that Marshall just never got the chance to coach up his players, but I’m more afraid that A caused B, that Marshall’s just not that good at his job.

But as with all other things related to Cal football, all I want is for Tedford to make the right decision, whatever that may be.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Nov 11, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bring back the REAL Coach M

by BlackandOldGold on Nov 11, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. And I like the faith.

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by HydroTech on Nov 11, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which of these guys were walk-ons. Bosko, despite not being on the recruiting services, was not a walk-on.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Nov 11, 2009 7:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

…yes he was?

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by Avinash on Nov 11, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have it from a mutual friend that he received a scholarship.

All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

by rollonubears on Nov 12, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he was a write-off. These big companies, they just write it off.

The Lack of Mack's Imposition Attacks My Disposition.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You don’t even know what that is!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 12, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

do you?

The Lack of Mack's Imposition Attacks My Disposition.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 12, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You know, they just write it off!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 12, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bosko was a walk-on. Take that to the bank. Whether or not he’s been given a scholarship now, I don’t know but I’m sure he’s not. I can assure Fisher was a walk-on, too, who is currently on scholarship. Whether or not it gets renewed next year is TBD.

by Cali49a on Nov 12, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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