Why Aren't Cal Fans More Irrationally Exuberant?
After the USC game there was a lot of involved discussion about fan support, about how the fans quit after the opening punch, about how the alumni were rude as can be, etc. etc. BleedinBlue had this to say.
Saturday night, I felt that Cal fans, collectively, were all 10 year old me’s, quitting when they still had a chance. Screw it, they were me at 10 years old, quitting before we were surely down and out.]
As fans, we are the 12th man. As students with seats spanning 20 yard line to 20 yard line (ok, roughly), our role in making noise is even more important. As Cal students, we’re supposed to have more backbone than those red wearing sissies across the Bay, pampered and babied at their JC. We’re not supposed to quit, we’re not supposed to die.
Saturday night, we quit early. Shame on us.
Why aren't Cal fans more irrationally exuberant? How can we change that? Discuss the state of Cal fandom in the comments.
After the jump, I offer my thoughts and reasoning about why Cal fans are the way they are.
The issue is actually two pronged in my mind; one involves the new fans, one involves the old. We'll start with the youngins before getting onto the Old Blues.
These days, sports fans who go to Cal already have pro affiliations. Firefly (who is from across the pond) raised an excellent question about American sporting fandom, but especially when applied to following the Golden Bears.
This isn't a criticism, just an observation about some US fans that I’ve encountered…Coming from Europe, I really don’t get the fans at the sporting events I’ve been to – and that’s baseball games, NFL games, NHL games, I was a Cal season ticket holder…and nowhere are there consistently good chants that get the crowd and the team going. When I was growing up, I used to go to Manchester City games at Maine Road in England. The Kippax stand there used to rain down songs and chants on the opposition for pretty much 90-minutes non-stop. Manchester City have never seen much success in my lifetime but I’m sure that atmosphere bought us at least a few wins.
At Cal games, yes, there’s the whole "Go, Bears" chant and a few others but that’s completely choreographed by some guy who is employed to do this. WTF??? Where’s the spontaneity? People who seem so meek during the games immediately turn into internet warriors as soon as they return home to slate the team. They don’t realize that they have a role to play at the game – home field advantage. I wonder how good the atmosphere at Cal games would be if people would get into it more, and chants didn’t have to be organized by some lame committee, or some guy or whoever. Anyway, sorry, rant over. There are many differences between US sports and European soccer but this is one I just don’t understand…
I do believe there's a combination of factors, but the big one is that unlike European soccer or college football in the South and the Midwest, Cal students are not raised on a one-minded sport mentality (including myself). You get to choose your sports early, whether it be football, baseball, basketball or hockey.
So passion is diffused. If you're from the Bay Area or NorCal in general, you can choose to root for the Giants or As in baseball, the Niners or Raiders in football, the Warriors or Kings in basketball, or the Sharks in hockey. If you're from Southern California, you get your choice of the Chargers in football, the Padres, Dodgers, and Angels in baseball, the Lakers or Clippers (God bless you Clippers fans) in basketball, the Kings and the Ducks in hockey.
No matter how students turn out for these games, a lot of these teams are probably first in most people's minds. They have a 5-10 year advantage on the Bears, unless their parents are diehard Cal fans.
Also, not only do they have pro affiliations, they have pro attitudes to our team, and expect a professional mindset that just isn't possible on the amateur level. To most Cal fans, our quarterbacks since Aaron Rodgers have 'sucked', despite the fact that Nate Longshore pre-2007 was actually putting up very good college numbers. If our quarterbacks let us down on the big stage, or do something that is not perceived as 'clutch', they should be benched for the next guy, when the dropoff from college #1 QB to college #2 is far more precipitous than it is from NFL QB starters to NFL QB backups.
In other words, we think we're smarter than the coaches in understanding how our team should click. And if the wheels come off or our team lets us down slightly, we jump off the bandwagon and go back to following our pro teams ("GO NINERS!" was a constant refrain I heard this weekend). It's a very strange dynamic that exists in Berkeley between fan and team.
We have other shit to do. Okay, not me. I'm dumb. I think about and follow football and basketball in a way that doctors would classify as severely unhealthy. I'm possessed by whatever Brian Cook has, and I'm not really ashamed of it. There are worse things in the world to be a diehard about.
But for the sane people who went to UC Berkeley and became Cal fans, their allegiances are fairweather for a reason. It's not just because San Francisco is across the Bay and Oakland's a bus hop away. Cal brings in some of the best and the brightest. Cal fans watch the games, and instead of the majority of them tailgating beforehand and partying afterward, a significant number of us are immediately planning out how we'll procrastinate on our problem sets, or building homes with Habitat, or looking for research opportunities with big professors, or joining up with one of the thousands of dance/singing troupes, or applying for law school...you get the picture. We're busy Bears, and we can only spend so much time focusing on the football team before we move onto other pertinent issues.
(Hell, look at the commenters on our site. There aren't many of us that can commit to fandom 24/7 because they have demanding job or work issues that require the majority of their time. We actually have a surprising amount of support from local college fans like UC Santa Cruz, UC Davis, SF State, etc. who lack a good football team to follow and probably have more free time to follow the Bears obsessively.)
Not to be condescending to other schools, but let's say that the average Cal student has more on their plate than other fans of succesful football powerhouses. BearStage put it quite eloquently:
The thing is, we’re just not that kind of school. I mean, look at Oregon, Florida, Tennessee, Ohio State – what else is going at those places? Fuck-all, that’s what. College football is the only show in town – there is literally nothing else to get excited about. No arts, no sports, nothing that requires actual interest. So these places develop an incredibly rabid fan base, who by and large never leave town and live and die on the fortunes of these teams.
This sort of fanbase just won’t develop at Cal. There’s no much to do in the Bay Area, and more importantly, our student and alumni base is just too damned diverse and too damned interested in the world around them to focus their everything on a single sporting team. Are there some of us who are rabid fans? I still don’t think that Cal rabid fans are of the same caliber as Texas rabid fans, pretty much because we have interesting lives that by definition cannot revolve 100% around Cal football.
Of course, there are a few counterexamples you could probably list of good academic/athletic schools. Our baby brothers UCLA come to mind--their basketball fans for one, and even if their football team has never been great they have had historically boisterous crowds. Washington and Wisconsin also are good public institutions with a good and loud football traditions.
The best example is probably Michigan--solid public instituation, solid football team with impressive crowds. Then again, Michigan is probably the premeire college football institution of all-time and also enjoys no local competition, so it'd be hard to compare us to their expansive fanbase.
The point remains though--build consistent success anywhere, and you can build a loud and exuberant crowd on Saturdays. Unfortunately for Cal, the success has to be superbly consistent for fans to continuously turn out--otherwise there are just too many other interesting things for their students and alumni to follow up on.
There is also this caveat...
via berkeley.edu
Not many of them grew up actual sports fans. That's not to say they'll figure it out eventually, but how many times have you had to explain the rules of football to the freshmen attending the games? How many do you see fans bleeding a stoke or making plans on where to party after it's all done.
Many of our Cal students are sports novices; they've been spending much of their time in high school...working on getting into college, instead of screwing around or watching much sports. High school isn't exactly cut-throat, but students do have to work harder at balancing their lives than they did a few decades or so back.
That being said, there's hope on this front. Without the focus on pro sports, these fans are more likely to become the diehards of the future, the people who will latch onto the Bears and support them through thick and thin. But for the present, the student section remains an odd mix of loud and confused fans. Add in a pretty sad bunch of Mic Men and you get what amounts to the average American Idol audition--mixed, uncoordinated noise.
Turning our attention to the alumni, I see two issues.
Our alumni (at least between the 20s) are generally rich, and can afford expensive tickets. And rich people, let's face it, are not very likely to make a lot of noise. Watch Lakers playoff games last season? Staples Center could get quieter than a mausoleum.
Plus with the prominence of affordable and impressive HDTV sets, many Cal fans who are big Bears fans don't really need to go to the game anymore to enjoy the experience of watching their Golden Bears play. It's a peculiar disincentive, but why pay $200-600 to watch a Cal game for big seats when you can sit in the comfort of your own home and watch it for the same price?
As for the passionate Cal alum who do show up? Here's the best I can come up with:
Our Bears haven't won enough in past seasons to give them confidence to cheer. Let's face it. Cal fans, especially the older ones, are a downtrodden bunch. Before Tedford came around, the Bears had enjoyed 12 winning seasons in the past 42. That's about one winning season in four. In other words, not much to be cheering about on the home front.
So when things go South like they did last Saturday, the memories of the past come alive, and it becomes all doom and gloom. Frankly, older Cal fans are beaten down. They want one Rose Bowl before they die and their team keeps on letting them down. Their support has evolved into a love-hate thing, "Oh yeah, you don't want to win, why on Earth should I get up and cheer for you?"
Essentially, we're a front-running crowd, especially on the alumni side--when Cal goes ahead we're usually in good shape, but when we fall behind, instead of rallying behind our guys, we pretty much deflate like a balloon.
If there's one bigreason for keeping Tedford around, it's that with every passing season our fanbase should become more enthusiastic about following the Golden Bears. California has lost five games at Memorial in the past five seasons. FIVE. That's better than Autzen or Husky Stadium (two of the loudest stadiums anywhere) or the Rose Bowl or Sun Devil Stadium. If the Bears keep on competing, keep on winning at home, keep on taking the Axe, keep on getting to bowls, then it engenders plenty of good will from the common fan that buys tickets to keep on buying them. It's a long-term strategy that should keep Cal healthy and prosperous, always hovering for that opportunity to get to a bowl game.
Lose him and...well, ask the Cal alumni, they can tell you what the 40 years before Tedford were like.
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As for the passionate Cal alum who do show up? Here’s the best I can come up with:
Our Bears haven’t won enough in past seasons to give them confidence to cheer.
I think the real issue is tangentially related to the above statement. Cal just hasn’t had the same (recent) football success to sustain crowd traditions or to maintain an institutional history of cheering. It’s getting better, though.
Greenspan’s ‘irrational exuberance’ speech presaged the tech bubble collapsing, which I see as analogy to how our ranking collapsed and subsequently people disengaged from the team. In other words, there were plenty of irrationally exuberant fans, just not the kind who were great at crowd noise.
If the team wins often enough, you don’t even need traditions: the bandwagon fans will come and holler their loudest because they’ve paid good money to see a winner.
So I hear, anyway.
That is true, the Bay Area bandwagoners who sit in the end zones of Memorial can make plenty of noise when called on to do so.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 9, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
A few points that are related...
1. Having been to games at a fairly large number of places…I think Cal fans are perfectly adequate and getting better. You cite Michigan fans, but they have a real reputation for exactly the same thing…for 110,000 fans the Big House is considered really quiet.
2. As someone who sat on the West side his whole life before becoming a student a bit of a defense…The alums are irrational. They keep showing up.
One of the things that I think isn’t acknowledged enough by younger alumni and especially the students is that the people who sit on the west side are better fans than they are. They are better. There is no other way of saying this. The majority of them have been going to games for decades and frankly have gotten very little reward for their efforts. They showed up and cheered even when Cal was terrible…something that really can’t be said for the student section. I am old enough that I have gone through boom-or-bust with Cal football – the students are always the first ones to stop caring and stop showing.
It is fine to criticize the fact that there aren’t more alumni who are passionate, but I don’t think that criticizing the 70 year old ladies in sparkly hats who have been going to games for 50 years is a legitimate target. These people are the irrationally exuberant ones, and 10 years from now, when you aren’t living in the bay area (like myself) or you have given up and not renewed your tickets, guess what? Those people are still going to be there. Frankly, they shouldn’t have to listen to 19 year olds, who aren’t even going to show up for Washington State in two weeks, that it is the alumni that are the reason that Cal loses football games.
3. The problem really is that there are only about 25,000 hardcore alums. Even for big games, maybe that goes up to 40,000 with people flying in, etc. The rest of the stadium is filled with people who may have a vague rooting interest, who want to see a good college game, fans of the other team, people whose dad or brother went to Cal, little kids aren’t old enough to cheer, etc. I think that this is an element of being in the Bay Area, where there are a lot of people willing to pay $66 to go to the game even though they actually don’t have much of an interest in Cal football. At the USC game, I sat in front of a dude who had no real interest in either team, adopted USC once they were winning, and talked non-sense the whole game. There really is no way from stopping that guy from buying a ticket.
4. About 70% of the noise issue is that Berkeley isn’t a booze culture. Never will be. Sober fans are quiet fans.
5. They probably should put the young alumni section on the West side are force people to actually sit on that side.
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 9, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
I wonder if eventually they’ll move the student section off the 50 yard line and move them toward the 20-40 yard line area. It’d be nice to see the students and alum mix and match more.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 9, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
You are possibly the only person I’ve seen say something like that in a positive way. There aren’t too many schools that give the prime seats for the students, especially when there are alums willing to pay to make it worth the breaking with “tradition”.
by Yes We Cannon on Oct 9, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I should have rephrased nice to “interesting”. I just wonder if it’ll make the stadium louder as a whole.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 9, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
As a long time fan, I fully agree with this post.
and totally disagree that mixing the students and alums is a good idea.
the current set up is the best for everyone, imo.
Go Bears Go
Those people are still going to be there. Frankly, they shouldn’t have to listen to 19 year olds, who aren’t even going to show up for Washington State in two weeks, that it is the alumni that are the reason that Cal loses football games.
HERE! HERE!
I think it may be ignorance by these people who insult the older alumni, but even though I’m relatively new on the scene compared to the long term alum, I’m insulted for them when these “whipper-snappers” come in and insult their dedication. These kids have NO IDEA what dedication looks like.
And you try standing and yelling for 3 hours when your 65. I’m only 34 and I already see how my body is changing from when I was 20. I can’t imagine how it’s going to be when I’m 65. I was just as stupidly arrogant when I was 20 too, but maybe I needed more people to remind me that 15 years ago.
People need to stopping picking on the Bear Backer Alumni. You don’t hear them insulting you for not donating $10k every year to the athletic department do you? We all have our roles and their longevity and financial contributions are just, if not more important than yelling on gameday.
(BTW, they’re generally the last ones to boo as well.)
by kencraw on Oct 9, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
From an outsider's perspective...
the lack of a professional football team in Los Angeles has made college football a much bigger deal. It’s amazing how much of a college football town LA has become over the past ten years. I will agree that LA is by and large still a basketball town – but that gap is starting to close, methinks.
Every Friday evening that we are heading to the store to stock up on supplies for Saturday, you are guaranteed to run in to at least one other person in an $C or UCLA jersey/shirt who’s doing the same thing. It’s kinda’ creepy. I feel like I’m back in Georgia.
Anyhow, I guess my overall point is that the historic strength of the Raiders and 49ers undoubtedly plays a major role in siphoning away fans from following college football. Consider what the people who are part of the Black Hole would do on weekends if they didn’t have the Raiders to follow (we have the answer down here: they all became U$C fans).
No such problem with that down here in LA anymore, and the change is pretty obvious.
It is definitely crazy how many LA people go Bruin or Trojan. In the Bay it’s pretty much
East Bay/inland/Sacramento—Raiders
San Franciso proper/South Bay/Marin County—Niners
I guess in general there is some hope for the East Bay as long as the Raiders continue to stink it up, but once they get better the East Bay is likely to go pro rather than college.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 9, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
My giant pet peeve
is all those idiots who go to a Dodgers game and wear their USC hat or jacket. For God’s sake people, you’re at the freaking DODGERS game. Conceivably you’re there because you’re a fan of the DODGERS. Buy some fricken’ Dodgers gear already or – if you’re that aghast at the concept of wearing blue – just wear regular street clothes.
Attending a sporting event while wearing gear from a completely unrelated sport is just retarded. Seriously.
+1 CAJason80
So true about the LA non-uni football fans. They have to choose UCLA/USC as their team of choice else they have nothing. We don’t have those desperate-for-sports entertainment people in our stands (except in tiny numbers).
Anyway, I’m listening to the Lakers on the radio right now and enjoying the comforting sounds as I continue to lick my Bear Mauling wounds. (Is it possible to be hung over for 6 days?)
As someone who has experienced end zone seating as a kid, student seating while at Cal, young alumni seating for 10 years, and EE (west side, old alum) seating for 2 years, I can definitely say the old alum side is the quietest in the stadium. But that is not to equate their passivity with lack of enthusiasm for Cal football. As TedforIsGod mentioned, many of them have been coming to games for decades and stuck with the team in thick in thin…mostly through thin.
I think the problem with old blues is twofold: age and separation from young blue enthusiasm/noise. The age factor makes a difference; I can already tell at 35 that it’s much more difficult on my body to put together sustained yelling/cheering for a whole game than when I was a student in my teens/early 20s. After a game several of us feel like our throats are raw and burning, our chest feels like we ran several miles, and our heads are splitting. (but we do it anyway since we love our Bears). But I can only guess how it must feel for old blues in their late 40s, 50s, or 60s. They likely find it even harder to provide sustained cheering and younger folks should try to keep that in mind. Having said that, I think it’s fair to ask for cheering during 2nd and 3rd downs for opposing offenses.
Also, I think being so far removed from the energy and enthusiasm of the students and the mic-men makes a huge difference. In the young alumni section (QQ) we fed off the students’ energy, their noise and enthusiasm really was infectious and helped to get us pumped and ready to cheer loudly. But it just doesn’t translate the same from across the field. Also, we cannot hear the mic-men from across the field. In this case, as we discussed in the thread linked above, we really do need ALUMNI mic-men! Not only would an alumn mic-man lead cheers, but he/she could motivate the crowd and provide that energy boost the old alumns need to feed off of. And if it were an older mic-man (50s-60s) the older blues could note that if he can do it, so can I. I know it sounds kinda stupid, but we really should write Sandy B about implementing this. I could almost guarantee you it would make the old blues louder, well, at least for 2nd/3rd downs.
by SonofCalifornia on Oct 9, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Yeah I always wonder why they put the micmen on our side, since by now we kind of get the idea of what to do. Sounds like the alumni could use them more.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 9, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, I’m only 25, and I like sitting in the “old alum” (I have a friend who usually has an extra ticket while her husband helps the band, and I help her with her kids) section for the first 3 quarters…then I usually head over to “young alum” to hang out with CBKWit and the gang. I can’t really handle 4 quarters of standing and yelling, honestly. And I’m technically a youngun! :-)
by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Oct 9, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the alumni Mic-man idea a lot!!!!
As a Cal fan who has spent his entire life in HH for games, I can tell you the fans care, they care a lot. Now some are definitely misguided on on making a lot of noise, and some are just too old and don’t have the energy, and I think a lot have been trained over the past 20-30 years that going to Berkeley to watch a Cal game means they get to sit and quietly root on their team win or lose (and for 20-30 yrs mainly lose), there was no reason to make a lot of noise when Cal was a doormat team, the game was fun enough to watch…
I think if the rally com sent over a mic-man to tell (audibly is key here) them when exactly to make noise it would really help coach up the able bodied fans that can cheer. The signs just don’t work, I see them but pay no attention because half the time the rally com members are either holding up the signs at the wrong times or not paying attention to their job and taking photos of each other in front of the visiting team (in many cases my family and i have joked about how bad of a job they are doing).
People need to hear it, those random times when the student mic-man gets piped in to the alumni section speakers, noticeably more people stand up and/or make noise.
You won’t get everyone, but it sure would help…
Though I’m not about to blame Cal’s woes this year on the fans, they can certainly help out on defense and provide moral support to the offense, but the alumni section isn’t the one throwing picks in the end zone or missing tackles on the field…
I hear El Paso is beautiful in December....
No one else is annoyed by the UCLA alumni mic man (other than the fact that it’s an opposing team, of course)?
by Yes We Cannon on Oct 9, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
As a UCLA alum
I can tell you….I cannot stand Geoff Strand. His schtick stopped being entertaining in about 1987.
Having to hire someone to implore the crowd to yell is akin to basically admitting “Yeah, no one around here has a clue what their role is as fans.” It’s embarrassing. When I brought some of my friends from UGA out to attend a UCLA game, they literally were asking “Who the hell is that retard?” the entire game.
They were also aghast that the crowd needed some sort of instruction on how to yell. They were like “You mean, they don’t know to shutup on offense and scream like banshees on defense? These people live like savages.”
Nice post cruzin. @CAJason, I understand where you are coming from but I don’t think a UC Berkeley alumni mic-man has to be a dork with a schtick or an instructor teaching when to yell. I think if we can just get somebody who shows a bit of enthusiasm and energy, pumps up the crowd, and gets us loud while we’re on defense, we can have a good thing going. Also maybe lead us in a ‘Big C’ or ‘Sons of California’ song or two. You know, small stuff that need not be schticky or constant (meaning he might not be as active as the student mic men). And in the end, who cares what other schools think if we’re rocking the house loud with 72,000 strong and whooping them good?!
by SonofCalifornia on Oct 9, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
come on cal fans
thanks for the great post Avinash.
i was sorely disappointed at our fan base in the usc game… as soon as the interception happened, the crowd seem to just give up on the team. You can feel the energy disappear. no real effort to rally the team. Usually if that does happen in a game, it happens just once, but if it fails, it goes dead quiet for the rest of the night. it’s pretty sad.
the players are just kids. They are 18-22 years old, i think we often forget that. The cheers or boos have a dramatic effect on their game whether we like it or not. Think about Longshore, I felt so sorry for him. He was great, then got injured and ended up playing hurt only to be criticized for the rest of his time in college. I am certain the constant boos and hate got to him and made him feel even more pressure to perform. There was news about how he would go home and cry because of the treatment. I know some will say, suck it up or how a great leader would withstand it all and persevere, but come on, these guys are barely out of high school. You can tell pro players that since they are being paid millions to do what they do, but the college kids? We should really learn to support them and I am sure our words of encouragement and motivation would help greatly.
get off me bandwagoners!
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Like I said, Cal fans are usually pretty good with a lead or when we score. When we make mistakes or trip up on ourselves, most of the alum have seen this story before, so they’ll cheer, but only once we do something to earn that score.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 9, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for this post
I filled out that survey, and what I’m talking about is posts like these. I like ’em. I like the sports-centered ones too, but I really do enjoy these types of posts as well.
by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Oct 9, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions
We try our best to appease the ex-Bruin fan demographic!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 9, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Tailgating Culture
The sad fact is that Memorial Stadium isn’t situated in a location where the booze is flowing. We have Zellerbach field, and that’s tiny compared with other schools.
USC has a giant parking lot along with multiple smaller parking lots which allows for a decent tailgate. USC alumns are also very generous to other USC fans. UCLA has the golf course, although the location of the stadium so far from campus does deflate the football experience. UW has the giant parking lot as well. Stanford even has a field where fans can mingle.
You’d think the rugby field would be a good place, but they seem to cordon it off…
I guess we’ll have to wait for that Maxwell Parking Garage to get built and even that won’t be that great since it won’t be open-air. Berkeley’s too crammed for its own good.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 9, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Post fail!
The rugby field would get too torn up every Saturday to justify using it. Coach Clark’s very particular about who gets to use it, even when it comes to club teams.
by Yes We Cannon on Oct 9, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s the open-air UC lot on the corner of Shattuck and Berkeley Way, across from Triple Rock. We’ve been using that lot for 3 or 4 years now, ever since they built condos on top of my previous favorite lot at Fulton and Kittridge (damn them and progress!).
But it’s a good place to tailgate and close to one of the shuttles to the stadium. And if you beat the UC parking crew it’s only $12 for the day.
Except that when we got there last weekend at 9:00 am for the SC game, the UC crew was there already and wouldn’t let anybody in uncless you were on Chancellor Birgeneau’s list? Say whaaa? Yeah, he reserved the entire lot for all his buddies and we had to find a place to move a tailgate crew of 17 in less than an hour. Love the chancellor but could’ve smacked him that morning!
by SonofCalifornia on Oct 9, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey morons,
Those Old Blues sitting on the alumni side, many of them have been giving 10k plus since before you were born. And those Old Blues didn’t show up in 2004, they funded this program through the dark years in the 1980’s (Holmoeism) and have suffered more gutwrenching losses than you can imagine. That’s why they have the best seats. They watched Cal games when there were 25,000 people at Memorial. They have every right to be disappointed by the performance against USC and they are very concerned that they’ll die before Cal gets to a Rose Bowl. Until you write big checks, I think you should shut the fuck up. Seriously.
Although I agree with most of your post...
Which Holmoe was coaching in the 80’s?
I hear El Paso is beautiful in December....
compared to some of the efforts in the 80's
the holmocaust wasn’t that bad.
Go Bears Go
I wasn`t forged in the fiery depths of the Holmoe era, but I do have the rabid exuberance down, i`m pretty sure. I was raised in the South, where we all know tailgating and college football ARE a way of life there, and i`m not using that in a literal term. As such, I was raised an LSU diehard, yelling and screaming and showing my support with as much gusto as the best of them. When I relocated myself to Sacramento at the age of 19, my interest in Cal athletics grew slowly as I was always enthusiastic about college sports and such. I was accepted into Berkeley but did not attend for financial and college credit non-transferring reasons, but my interest in the Bears grew exponentially as I watched more and started to dislike the tactlessness of SEC fans and their sometimes even hostile support of their teams. Now that I live in New Orleans, I take my share of “why don`tchu liyke eleshew?” or “hey yeu no Cayl suucks huh? hur hur” from a lot of belligerent fans… yeah…
But I digress, what i`m trying to say is that from the standpoint of a converted SEC fan, Cal has my rabid exuberant diehard loyalty now, and were I able to attend more football games, you`d have one more screaming fan in the stands trying to rally support from the indifferent kids and crusty alums.
I work with a guy in NOLA who’s an LSU alum and when college football came up he made some comment like, well I guess you can join in because you went to the only actual football school in the Pac 10" – he wasn’t joking, that was the set-up for a brief and merciless dissection of west-coast football and its inferiority to SEC ball.
It seems to be a popular conversation piece: the ‘supremacy’ of SEC football in a league of malcontent patsies.
Three weeks ago, I was purchasing a two-pack of pillows from Sam’s Club when the cashier started the oft-used conversation starter when she saw my Cal hat:
Cashier: Cal? Who is that?
Me: California.
Cashier: Is that like, Southern Cal then?
Me: laugh Nooo, they’re actually a big rival school.
Cashier: Oh okay good laugh we don’t like Southern Cal out here.
Me: Well, we don’t care for them much in Berkeley either.
Cashier: That’s good! Then there’s still a chance for you! You can become an LSU fan!
Me: …Christ on a crutch.
"You are the Tim Tebow of angry articulation!" - TwistNHook
by Maisbikkja on Oct 9, 2009 5:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t take any SC gear with me when I head down there for work. I was heading to MSY yesterday and passed an old couple in a Cadillac festooned with Gators stickers and whatnot, I wonder if they made it to Baton Rouge without getting side-swiped off the road.
Given the driving style around the city, it would be hard to say that it wasn’t an accident.
Cut out the negativity.
I’m seated in QQ and I frequently here all sorts of negative jeers directed at our own players and coaches. Why would we taunt or discourage our own team? This is the most counterproductive thing we as fans could do. I can’t imagine that booing helps instill confidence or inspire our team, let alone intimidate the opposing team.
by I hate $C on Oct 9, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would actually rather see 50k in the stands giving some semblance of support to the team as opposed to 75k raining down boobirds. “if you can’t say anything nice…”
"You are the Tim Tebow of angry articulation!" - TwistNHook
by Maisbikkja on Oct 9, 2009 4:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
QQ squattin'
I think there can be enough noise, but as a lot of comments have noted, it’s really not a College sport town – we have to be winning, and from the first friggin’ play.. .Has a Tedford team ever come back to win when they’re down by…anything? I’d add that 2007 is too close for memory’s sake, and everybody started getting depressed quickly.
Plus, we’re comparing it to SC (no pro football program for along time, big history, pro athletes) and Oregon (what the hell else is there to do, stadium designed with an “11” button", lots of Duck hunters and nothing to shoot – makes them awnry, easy access to booze) Florida (it way too far south of the Mason Dixon line NOT to be loud and obnoxious) and LSU (are you kidding? It’s Louisiana…)
For the first time ever I didn't sit in the student section last week
I was in QQ in my assigned seat because the security jerks didn’t let me sneak into the student section.
I miss the student section :(
In other words, Go Bears!
It still wasn’t hard for me to get in, you just have to be a little bit craftier.
Email: bearsnecessities@gmail.com
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 9, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I would think waltzing would give you away?
by SonofCalifornia on Oct 9, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I tangoed in. It was caliente.
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 10, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions
An hour early. There were way too many people blocking access then.
I could’ve gotten in later but I don’t want to sit behind the band. I want to sit smack dab in the 50yd line.
I know I’m greedy
In other words, Go Bears!

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