Cal vs. USC Post-Game Thoughts
(1) Riley had quite an off-day. His INT on the first drive might have cost us the game all by itself. That INT killed our early game momentum. Cal needed points on the board early for the entire team, offense and defense, to believe that they can stand up against the best team in the Pac-10. Instead, the INT deflated the offense and sapped some of the energy and confidence out of the crowd. The decision to throw that pass was also a poor decision. A 24 yard floater pass against zone coverages into a restricted space (the endzone)? It either has to be a bullet between the windows or the ball has to be extremely high. The pass was neither.
Part of Riley's problem is that he's a very aggressive QB. He tries so hard to make something happen that he takes unnecessary risks. On occasion his risks pay off (Riley's wobbler pass to Stevens in 2007 while being sacked is one example). Other times, the risks he takes do not pay off (such as the INT against USC in 2009). This is something that comes with the territory of having such an aggressive QB. In contrast to Riley, Longshore was a very conservative QB. Both styles of play have their benefits and risks. Both styles can win games, and I don't think it's necessarily true to say it's better to have one type of QB over another. However, the QBs have to alter their style of play to fit the situation at hand. If the game is on the line or the team is down by a lot, the QB can take more risks. If the game is well in hand, or the team needs to control the ball, then the QB shouldn't take risks. Riley is still struggling a little bit with this aspect of QB play. I understand he's trying to make things happen, but sometimes just throwing the ball away and taking 3 points is better than throwing a low probability prayer of a touchdown pass.
Finally, does Riley need to be benched? No. Not yet. It's still early in the season. He's shown he can be a serviceable QB (see the first three games of the season). Against Oregon the pass blocking sucked so that really isn't Riley's fault. The USC game is really Riley's first really bad game this season. I'm willing to let Riley have a few more games to show that he can be our QB for the rest of 2009 before we usher in the Brock Mansion party yacht or the Beau Sweeney era.
(2) Offense playcalling was good and ... interesting. I was harsh on Ludwig after his playcalling disaster against Oregon. I was pleased with what I saw against USC. Initially, it looked like Cal wanted to try and establish the run a little bit, or at least give the impression that they were. But USC started the game with 8 defenders in the box on every play to stop the run. They were DARING us to pass and let it be known quite obviously to us, that they were trying to stop the run. So then Ludwig appeared to throw a bit more than run. When the defense is going to play the run that aggressively, I have no problems with calling more passes than runs.
What types of passes did Ludwig call? Playaction QB boots!!! I was happy to see Riley booting out and the defense having to account for him. Riley made a few great throws while booting.
As for Ludwig's wild-bear formations (the wildcat), I was fine with that. It actually worked pretty well. I think for that offensive style to be even more effective Best actually has to throw the ball once or twice to get the defense to fear the pass even just a little bit. At one point during the wild-bear series, USC pretty much stopped covering Riley who was split out wide. But... Best doesn't throw. He should though. Perhaps Vereen is actually better in the wildbear because of he can actually pass the ball (sort of).
As for the offense being predictable? Avinash notes this in his post-game thoughts. Well, all teams have some predictability to them. It's only more noticeable for your own team because you watch your team every week whereas you only watch other teams a few times a season and thus you don't really pick up on their tendencies like you do your own team. Plus, I know Avinash has been doing a lot of film work lately so I think he's having one of those break-through moments where he's really seeing things very well. Bottom line, yeah, things can get predictable. Sometimes predictability is all a part of the plan because the offense is setting up the defense.
Also, some of the run diversity we saw against EWU and Minnesota has disappeared. It seems as if the coaches might revert back to the run schemes they are more familiar with in big games while only testing new stuff on the weaker opponents. I say this because (and take this with a grain of salt because I haven't reviewed the USC film yet) I haven't seen Cal use some of the new blocking schemes shown against EWU and Minnesota against our toughest opponents of the last two weeks.
Overall, I have no quarrel with Ludwig's playcalling against USC and I don't necessarily think that he needs to be fired based on the outcomes of the previous two games. While I do think Ludwig failed miserably against Oregon, I think he did fine against USC. And I know the offense only scored 3 points in back to back weeks, but I guess I'm not as cut-throat as some of us.
Also, there seems to be some whining that the offense isn't aggressive enough. Umm... Riley threw 40 passes against USC. Cal was passing pretty early on. Passing generally gets more yardage than rushing. Passing is more aggressive than rushing. I repeat: passing is more aggressive than rushing. Ludwig had the USC defense looking plain silly on a few plays and called a pretty imaginative, and strategic game that was pretty aggressive. Basically, I think the people who think the offense wasn't aggressive enough are just doing some mindless whining. They're probably thinking that if the offense only scores 3 points that the offense isn't being aggressive enough. Isn't it possible that no matter how aggressive a team can be, they can still score few points because their players get dominated in their individual battles? Yes. And I think that's what happened here more so than some lack of aggressiveness.
(3) Defensive playcalling was better. I know USC's playaction passes to the outsides were killing our zone. But Gregory did play gutsier defenses this week with more man coverage than I have seen perhaps in the previous 4 games combined. Playing man defense prevents the offense's abilities to pump-fake our defenders - which is a weakness of zone defenses. However, Gregory is still slow to responding with changes to account for the trips bubble screens. Oregon destroyed us with trips bubble screens. USC saw this, and did the same thing against us. Gregory has to install a scheme which allows for more defensive flexibility to allow the players to adjust to defend the trips bubble screens on the fly the first time they see it rather than after the play has burned us for 10 easy yards.
On the positive side, I noticed the defensive players playing much more disciplined gap control this week. On the whole the run defense was hit and miss, sometimes allowing 10 yards and other times allowing 2 yards on a run. But I'd rather have it be hit and miss than miss all the time. Anyways, the players weren't being overly aggressive. They seemed to be trusting each other to make the tackle rather than leaving their gap assignment to try and make the tackle for someone else. I liked the improvement I saw between the Oregon and USC game, however, there is still improvement to make.
(4) The audible system has changed and has a "tell." I noted before that the audible hand signals appear to have changed this year. There is also a tell to the hand signals. I don't want to talk too much about this, but I (and perhaps other astute observers) can tell what the play will be from the hand signals almost all the time. In the instances where I'm wrong, it's because the offense is using fake hand-signals. The Cal offense has always used fake hand signals on occasion in key situations to set up the defense (the offense knowing the defense might have their hand signals figured out, purposely shows those hand signals to get the defense to think the offense is running that play, but then they run a different play designed to take advantage of how the defense will respond to the dummy signals). The problem is "occasion" isn't enough and so on the whole it becomes apparent what the hand signals really mean.
Perhaps I am being overly critical though. I only knew of Cal's past audible hand-signal system because I learned about it from another source rather than from merely viewing games. While the audible hand-signals have changed this year, the added knowledge I have from the previous system has given me the insight to crack the current system.
(5) The hurry-up offense system has changed from previous years. In the past, when Cal used the hurry-up offense, the sideline signal QBs would signal in the play itself to the QB on the field. In other words, the hand signals would say "get in this formation, run this play, etc." But now, the sideline QBs merely send in a number to the QB (number 1-9). The QB will then yell out the number to the offense. And the offense will run that play.
In other words, the offense, as a whole, has 9 plays memorized. The QB merely needs to tell them a number, and they can run that play. This is a much quicker method than the former system. The former system could use up a good 20 seconds between plays as the QB directed the offense to get into X formation and told/signaled the players to run Y play. Now the offense can probably run off another play in merely 12-15 seconds.
(6) The sky is not falling. The football season is not over. It is not time to turn off the TV sets and claim it's now basketball season. We still have 7 games left. Cal just played out perhaps the toughest two Pac-10 opponents two weeks in a row. With the schedule lightening up a bit, Cal can certainly rebound. Cal has the potential to win the rest of the games on season and finish 10-2 overall. I don't think that most of us would be terribly disappointed with a 10-2 season.
For those of you that are reacting very negatively to our supposed fall from grace again (and claiming this is 2007 all over again), I propose to you that you may have drank too much of the mass media kool-aid. The 2007 team and the 2009 team are not the same teams. The 2007 was legitimately BCS bowl contender with incredible talent on both sides of the ball. The 2009 team always had huge question marks at offensive line, wide receiver, quarterback, and linebackers. That's a lot of questions. So to say that this is 2007 all over again blindly assumes that the 2009 team and the 2007 are of equal caliber, and they are not. Many Cal fans just began believing whatever the media fed us. Heisman candidate! Cal is a top ten team! USC is weaker this year! Cal is the best team in the Pac-10! Many of us fell for it. It's time to wake up and stop your bitching. Cal didn't fail expectations (not yet at least). The expectations were overly inflated to begin with.
Most of us, prior to the preseason rankings, thought we were probably ranked around 20-30ish in the nation. But the mass media saw Jahvid Best, and Jahvid Best only. Slowly, I think many of us began believing the mass media because they wanted it to be true. Generally, people see what they want to see and don't see what they don't want to see.
(7) Enough with the "What happened to the QB guru?" talk. Too many people are making a big deal out of this theory. Below are some of the claims I've seen and my responses.
Claim: Tedford stuck it out too long with Ayoob instead of going with Levy.
Verdict: Wrong. If Levy really was better than Ayoob, why didn't Levy beat out Ayoob for the #2 QB spot behind Longshore in 2005? Or even in 2006? Bottom line, Ayoob was better than Levy. Ayoob had better arm strength. Ayoob had better accuracy. Ayoob had better work ethic. I saw the practices. People will point to the 2005 Big Game and 2005 Las Vegas bowl as proof that Tedford was wrong. This answer assumes that Cal wouldn't have won with Ayoob as the QB and that's not necessarily true.
Claim: Longshore sucked and Tedford was crazy for sticking with him
Verdict: Wrong. In 2006, Longshore was serviceable. In 2007 pre-injury, he was excellent. Obviously, his injuries changed things. Had Longshore not been injured he probably would have been a mid-second day NFL draft pick. Mentally, Longshore was one of Tedford's sharpest QBs - perhaps even on par with Aaron Rodgers or even better. No other Cal QB has ever been called "another coach on the field." Not even Rodgers. Who is responsible for turning Longshore into that "coach on the field"? The tooth fairy? No. I'm not going to give the correct answer here because I'm hoping that we can all insert the correct answer ourselves. If you can't, then you really are delusional.
Claim: Riley sucks.
Verdict: Unknown. Look, Riley clearly wasn't feeling 2008 since we had the QB carousel going (place some blame on Tedford, but then again Riley wasn't exactly helping himself out either). He claims his confidence was shot and it's understandable and believable. But so far in 2009, Riley has only had one bad game through the first five games (the pass blocking against Oregon really sucked so I'm not blaming that game on Riley although he did miss a few throws that he should have made). Let's give Riley 3-4 more games to show that he can rebound and be a serviceable QB. But to yank the carpet out under the kid for getting mobbed against Oregon when his OL decided to collectively suck to epic proportions, and after one bad game against USC? That's just too fast.
Claim: Since Aaron Rodgers, all Cal QBs have regressed over time.
Verdict: Inaccurate. Longshore got injured, then the fans turned against him and yelled at him that they hoped he got injured. Getting injured, then having your fan base turn against you isn't exactly conducive to a player's performance. Plus, Tedford stated that Cignetti ignored QB mechanics when he was Cal's offensive coordinator in 2008. There's your explanation for Longshore's regression. It's not like he was never injured and the fans were always supportive of him and he still regressed.
As for Riley, I think the kid was over-hyped to begin with. While he did have some great throws against Oregon State in 2007, people only remembered the good throws and didn't really remember his slow start that game. Then he played in the Armed Forces Bowl. He performed very well. Cal seemed like a whole different team on offense and defense when Riley entered the game. Well, not coincidentally, Desean Jackson, Robert Jordan, and Thomas Decoud also entered the game at the same time as Riley. While Riley did make some great throws, he was throwing to a whole different receiving corps than Longshore.
Bottom line: Riley was over-hyped off of a few good throws against Oregon State, and because he was not Longshore. People were calling him the next Aaron Rodgers after 2007. People fantasized and made him to be something he really wasn't.
Claim: Tedford has lost his touch with QBs.
Verdict: Unknown but doubtful. Since Aaron Rodgers Cal has had three QBs: Ayoob, Longshore, and Riley. Regarding Ayoob, sure, Tedford whiffed there. Regarding Longshore, as I explained above, Longshore probably would have played in the NFL had he not gotten injured (NFL draft guru Mel Kiper had him rated as the #1 QB in 2007). People seem to hold Longshore against Tedford without regards to the fact that Longshore got injured and never was the same guy (ankle injury, and pectoral injury; he played through both injuries without the general public knowing this until after his career was over). As for Riley, I know he's in his 4th year, but I still think it's still a bit too early to say whether he's a bust or not. The kid needs more time as the undisputed starter.
So bottom line, since Rodgers, Tedford has whiffed on one QB pupil, had another one lost to injury who had NFL potential, the jury is still in deliberation regarding Riley. That doesn't really seem like Tedford has lost his QB touch. If Riley, Mansion, and Sweeney all are busts, then yeah, perhaps Tedford has lost his touch.
(8) It's still not time to fire Tedford, not this week, and perhaps not even by the end of this season. Tedford is still one of the most winningest coaches in Cal history. Unfortunately for Tedford, all this success, which would normally produce a Pac-10 championship and a Rose Bowl berth on more than one occasion, has also coincided with the rise of USC as arguably the most dominant team in the NCAA for the past 7 years. So while I do understand Tedford hasn't gotten us officially to a BCS bowl, or a Rose Bowl, I'm not ready to fire him because of it.
I know the Oregon loss was bad. But so was USC's loss to Washington a few weeks ago. Great teams lose games sometimes. As for the loss to USC this week, does that mean Tedford should be fired? Um, no. Tedford lost to a great USC team who have enough talent alone to win a Pac-10 Championship even with TwistNHook as a coach. People seriously want Tedford fired because he lost to one of the greatest teams in the Pac-10 and the NCAA of the past 7 years??? Most normal and reasonable people only want coaches fired when they are losing more games that they shouldn't lose than win more games that they should win. Tedford hasn't gotten close to that yet. I know how Cal lost the previous two games is concerning, but in general, Tedford has beaten the teams he should beat.
Whether a team wins or loses also comes down to the players. I know it's sacrilegious to place blame on the players, but let's be real and not ignorant. Players lose games too, not just the coaches. It's a social coaching-custom for coaches to blindly accept blame for their players' poor performances regardless of how poorly the players may play despite the (often more than competent) coaching the players receive, but that doesn't actually mean the coaches are always at fault. At some point, the games come down to the players too. The coaches can coach coach coach all they want during the week and do their very best to prepare their players for the game, but it's the players who play the game. Sometimes the coaches fail the players; and sometimes the players fail the coaches.
Against Oregon, for the most part, I think the coaches failed the players. Against USC, for the most part, I think the players failed the coaches.
Now, I'm not saying we can't ask tough questions and be critical of the coaches. We can. However, I hope we stay within reason and within the bounds of our knowledge of the situation. No need to over-react just because we lost two games in a row against two of the toughest teams in the Pac-10. Often, as fans, we become so emotionally attached to our teams that we over-react when something goes seemingly wrong whereas neutral observers don't see anything going wrong. I think most people who are calling for Tedford's head on a silver platter are just over-reacting right now because they're hurt and because they believed too much of the hype (Jahvid Best! Heisman! USC is down this year! Cal is the best team in the Pac-10! Rose Bowl! National Championship!).
Remember all the questions about this team's QB, WRs, OL, and LBs? They were always there and never disappeared no matter how much the mass media ignored them and wrote about Jahvid Best and how Cal was a Rose Bowl and National Title contender.
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Great stuff. Plenty of room with me and Spazzy on the Ludwig-did-great-last-game bandwagon. From the stands, I didn’t realize that the 3-4 was doing better against the run the last game, but I couldn’t bear to re-watch the game either. Come to think of it, there were enough missed tackles in the backfield that the problem was as much execution as it was the playcalling. Certainly getting hammered by the trips screen was frustrating.
My only quibble is this: Even if Cal doesn’t do well the rest of the season, there’s still no reason to think about firing Tedford. Taking a long-term view of the program, it’s on the right trajectory and the expectations have been raised so much that he gets a free pass until 2-3 years after completion of the SAHPC, which I think is about when his contract runs out anyway.
by sec119 on Oct 8, 2009 6:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with most...
….I’d just say that in fact…probably most Cal fans acknowledged Longshore was a good QB but knew or suspected he was hurt, and that his playing hurt was losing us ball games in the second half. Granted, had Riley been playing instead, we may not have been within a score in the second half or tied or ahead, but this is where Tedford’s inability to improvise and be flexible comes in. How many game-killing Longshore interceptions did Longshore have to throw for Tedford to rotate Riley in? The answer is we do not know because Tedford was willing for the same thing to happen over and over again.
Can we stop making too much of the negatives from Riley’s 2007 OSU game? That was his first start. It stands to reason he might start slowly, and that he might make the mistake he did. Look at Barkley’s first couple of games.
I think one other thing to point out is that for the first time last season, Riley seemed to get into a groove finally! against Oregon and then got injured on his TD pass. Maybe the wet balls were keeping him from overthrowing…who the hell knows? Anyway, it probably screwed up the rest of last year for him.
What’s going on? I’m not yet convinced of Riley’s suckiness. He even had a few decent throws in the USC game, even though he was pretty much the cause of our offensive ineffectiveness. Thank God we don’t have a game this weekend. The coaches will at least have a little time to figure out what THEY are doing wrong (believe me, there’s plenty in all three facets of the game). And maybe Riley can settle down and get back to basics.
by ohsooso on Oct 8, 2009 6:41 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Granted, had Riley been playing instead, we may not have been within a score in the second half or tied or ahead, but this is where Tedford’s inability to improvise and be flexible comes in. How many game-killing Longshore interceptions did Longshore have to throw for Tedford to rotate Riley in? The answer is we do not know because Tedford was willing for the same thing to happen over and over again.
Tedford willing to let the same thing happen over and over again? Don’t agree with that at all. You obviously don’t remember JT pulling Longshore out of the the USC and UA games in favor of Riley in 2008. Have you ever thought to give JT the benefit of the doubt in knowing his QBs? What you are seeing from Riley now is what you would most likely would have seen from him last year, but probably much worse since he didn’t know the offense nearly as well and had shaky mechanics. Perhaps that is what JT saw and would rather stick with Longshore who at least gave us a fighting chance in the second half to beat SC over Riley who has pretty much helped seal the loss in the first half this year and shot our offense in the foot last year by not knowing the playbook well enough to correct WR alignment and then throwing an INT.
Can we stop making too much of the negatives from Riley’s 2007 OSU game? That was his first start. It stands to reason he might start slowly, and that he might make the mistake he did. Look at Barkley’s first couple of games.
The OSU game in 2007 is where the legend of Kevin Riley began for many wrong reasons. It’s a lot easier for a QB of unknown quantity to operate against a D that knows relatively nothing about him than it is to play against a D that has plenty of film on you.
I’m not yet convinced of Riley’s suckiness
Neither am I. He doesn’t stink, he’s a warrior, and I love how he gets down and dirty (blocking in the run game when needed). He needs to be a lot more consistent, though.
by Cali49a on Oct 8, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And further to the point of Tedford not willing to let the same thing happen over and over again. That’s the wrong way to think about it to begin with. What happened in the past is only relevant in what it says about the future. Does Longshore throwing a pick late in one game mean he’s going to throw late in all other games? Probably not. Does Longshore throwing a pick late in two games mean he’s going to do it in the future? Again, probably not. I can point out games where Michael Jordan missed game winners, or Tom Brady threw late game interceptions, or Derek Jeter struck out in big late game at bats. The point is just because in hindsight you’ve developed a bias that a person is or isn’t clutch (whether it’s actually true or not) doesn’t mean, at the time of the decision, there was any way of knowing what the results of that decision would be. When Longshore got more chances to prove himself, it was probably because Tedford realized each time that what happened before (in a very small sample size, at that) didn’t mean the same thing was bound to happen again, and he was using his best judgment on other factors (like watching practice, for instance) to decide who to play.
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
14-40 isn’t cutting it. Especially with several (10? more?) passes that were 10+ feet from being catchable.
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by carp on Oct 8, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of his passes were just too high, however. Here’s an idea: can we get Max Zhang to play wide receiver? We can run him out to the back of the end zone and have him cherry-pick high passes.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Oct 8, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we don't face any more Taylor Mays types this year...
I have a feeling he’d cut Zhang in half
I hear El Paso is beautiful in December....
by CruzinBears on Oct 8, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Army is actually doing something similar this year with a 6’-10" player.
by chowder on Oct 8, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A former offensive lineman, no less. I should look him up and see if he’s worth anything in fantasy football.
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by AERose on Oct 8, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further
Can you clarify the facemask rule? When the rule changed, I thought that minor violations that would have been 5-yarders in the past were simply not going to be called at all, NOT that all violations, minor and major, were going to be called for the PF. Now it seems like more and more “minor” violations that shouldn’t be called are getting called. Like in the picture above. Believe me…Horton did NOT tackle Best by the facemask on that play.
by ohsooso on Oct 8, 2009 6:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As far as I understand it, all facemask penalties are now 15-yard personal fouls, so there’s no judgment on the part of the referees as to whether it was a severe penalty or minor one when it comes to grabbing a facemask. If it’s a penalty, it’s 15 yards.
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by yellow fever on Oct 8, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Key word: grabbing.
Incidental contact with the facemask is no longer a penalty, but anything beyond incidental contact is the 15-yard penalty. The ref now gets to decide whether there was a deliberate effort to handle the facemack. Obviously I’m not sanguine about this is going to work out.
by VandyImport on Oct 8, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I don’t think the refs are looking at intent when looking for facemasks. Instead, they’re looking to see if the player’s head is turned. Touching the facemask is OK; twisting the players’ head with it is not. I think this is a pretty good general guideline to preserve player safety.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Oct 8, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well-reasoned, level-headed, and rational
Nice analysis overall.
My feelings about Riley aren’t a mystery. I like the kid and think he has the tools to be a pretty good college QB. Not as good as Rodgers, but not Ayoobian, either. The thing is, he seems like he is trying way too hard. And that goes to your observation of him being aggressive.
When players in any sport try too hard, think too much, or press during the game, they make mistakes. They think, analyze, and force things. Success comes with that horrid old cliche of letting the game come to you. Instant reaction to situations rather than observation, analysis, and action. It just seems like Riley knows what to do, but tries to think about it before he does it, rather than just instinctively doing it. Part of that likely has come from all the additional coaching he had over the summer, and part also might come from the bad game against Oregon. It’s all speculation, of course, but it’s based on watching him play, and what I see is a kid who is not feeling the game.
It’s a very zen thing. To be of the game, rather than in the game. As a much wiser man than me once said, the trick is to see nothing, hear nothing, find your center, and be the ball. Right now, Riley is not being the ball.
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by SoCal Oski on Oct 8, 2009 8:41 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Riley
Riley can be a good QB….but he needs to just settle down and play the game. I really think on some of these drop back passes he spends so much time making sure the receiver’s open. It’s almost like he’s paralyzed by “thinking too much.” Yeah you want to make sound decisions but throw it every once in a while. I mean maybe our receivers were covered by the defense but to me it seemed like he looked at 1 maybe 2 reads for the entire 3-6 seconds he has before the pocket collapses.
I mean this point is all moot anyways bc if he starts slinging it and starts throw picks left and right then I’ll be saying “protect the ball” stop all the bonehead mistakes. But yeah…I feel like he’s much better when he just plays w/ nothing to lose, and not overthink his throws.
by DWBears on Oct 8, 2009 8:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That Mays interception really got to him. He really tried hard not to throw a pick the rest of the game that it prevented him from throwing the proper passes.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An unusual thought on Riley
Listening to Riley after the USC game, is it possible that he needs to risk throwing more interceptions? What he said (and I paraphrase) is that I am trying so hard to avoid the defender that I tend to overthrow. A basketball player who fouls out is generally overly-aggressive, but one that commits no fouls is, in my opinion, worse. That player is not giving it his or her all, which requires risking going over the line. Is this true for a quarterback. Think Brett Farve — the most touchdowns, the most interceptions. It seems there has to be a balance between precision, and making things happen. Is Riley overly concerned about protecting the ball?
by GoldenBear 77 on Oct 8, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Good insight. Riley himself said something similar in Okanes’s practice report.
"When you miss open guys more than a few times in a game, that can’t happen," Riley said. "I just have to be a little more patient and make it a catchable ball. I’m trying to keep it away from the defender a little too much and trying to make it perfect. I need to put it where they can make a play on it instead of trying to make a perfect throw every time."
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Riley overly concerned about protecting the ball?
Oh, I think there is no doubt. If I remember correctly, over the summer he was coached and coached and coached about making reads, recognizing who is covered, and making the smart play and not giving up turnovers. It was probably pounded into his head that if in doubt, he should throw the ball away rather than risk the INT.
So, now despite the kid wanting to be aggressive and make something happen, he’s constantly thinking about who is open and where to throw rather than trusting himself and just throwing it when it feels right.
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by SoCal Oski on Oct 8, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing you’re not happy that he’s been coached this way.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d guess it’s as much an internal reaction to watching the crowd turn on Longshore based on his interceptions.
by sec119 on Oct 8, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's not it
I don’t have a problem with the coaching at all. Nor do I have a problem with Riley. I just think he hasn’t been able to synthesize the coaching into play very well. Maybe it’s a time thing, or maybe it’s an experience thing. Or maybe it’s just that the past two games have been against some really good teams.
I think Riley will “get” it at some point. Hopefully sooner than later. It’s a matter of just having everything click so he can play without thinking.
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by SoCal Oski on Oct 8, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't the WR's play a role here?
Riley has to have confidence that his receivers will be at or going to (e.g. hit them in stride) where he throws the ball. If he’s waiting until he’s 100% sure they’re open, it’s probably too late, and the whole situation will degrade (last second adjustments to try to place the ball exactly right, leading to over/under throw or giving time for DB to react and make a play). He’s got to be in sync with the WRs.
by bluehenbear on Oct 8, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s probably a little of both factors coming into play.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t think it’s that Riley has been over-coached (or something) to protect the ball, but merely that Riley might be trying too hard to “place” the football on his throws.
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by HydroTech on Oct 8, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Favre
Think Brett Farve — the most touchdowns, the most interceptions. It seems there has to be a balance between precision, and making things happen. Is Riley overly concerned about protecting the ball?
That’s why I liked Riley last year, it’s because he was like a Brett Favre. If the receivers were dropping the ball and if the O-line wasn’t working, he’d take it upon himself to try to win the game. This year, it hasn’t appeared, and I’m kind of sad.
by Manwich on Oct 8, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, Brett Favre. Screw Brett Favre, I think we should hope our QB is actually good…
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to have to go ahead and disagree with one point, the evaluation of RIley. 4th year and there has been little improvement, that’s a fact. Now, I think a big part of this is the offensive coordinator position in a constant state of flux. The other part though is all Riley. It isn’t just the overthrows and inaccuracy, it’s also that he does not go through his progressions. I saw receivers open all over the field against USC and Riley simply did not see them. This isn’t the first game I’ve noticed this happening. In fact, if I recall, when Riley and Longshore were battling in 2008 Fall camp, Tedford noted one of the differences between the two is Longshore goes through his progressions whereas Riley doesn’t get past his first or second option.
None of what I’m saying matters, because Tedford seems committed to Riley. But, at this point, I think I know what Riley’s ceiling is. I’d like to know what Mansion or Sweeney can do.
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by BeastMode on Oct 8, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. I do remember, as you do, Tedford’s quotes about Longshore and Riley’s progressions. Tedford said Longshore consistently made it to the 4th and 5th progression whereas Riley was still only making it to the 3rd.
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by HydroTech on Oct 8, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
very good point. I also noticed riley just is unable to find his receivers. in numerous plays he was given plenty of time and with 8-9 in the box, you would think someone would have been open.. yet riley after looking at option 1 and 2, starts jetting towards the sidelines.. many times he didn’t have to scramble but he did regardless..
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by cleancutmedia on Oct 8, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two thoughts:
(1) I am slightly concerned by this topic: “It’s still not time to fire Tedford, not this week, and perhaps not even by the end of this season”
Are you implying that based on the result of this season, who think it is legitimate to consider Tedford’s job in jeopardy?
The way it is phrased is pretty provocative. If you believe it, what type of result would justify Tedford’s job being in jeopardy. Does it take a 0-7 finish? Or just 3-4?
(2) Can we mark this as the last justification for Longshore and just move on?
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 8, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s just a poorly worded sentence. That said, an 0-7 season would make me think about it. Shouldn’t it?
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by BeastMode on Oct 8, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I presume it was just poor wording. Personally, if we finished 3-9 or 4-8, I am not sure how I would feel. On the one hand, things are getting frustrating, and I think Tedford does have some huge hang-ups that annoy me.
But, for some reason, I partly think that Tedford should get a pass until a couple seasons after the new stadium is finished. It is the house that Tedford built, so it only seems right.
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 8, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, it is his stadium, hell, he designed the offices! But, damn, that wouldn’t make me like it.
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by BeastMode on Oct 8, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) Tedford will not and should not be fired if his team struggles the rest of this season. The AD is not likely to put too much pressure on him unless the following 2 things happen:
a) We start missing bowls
b) We start losing the Axe over and over.
Otherwise I’d consider his job fairly safe until the SAHPC is competed and he has a full set of recruits trained with these new facilities.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I think that there is a general ignorance of how intimately tied Tedford and the SAHPC/Stadium project are.
I think that really, as long as we keep beating Stanford 50%+ of the time, there is very little pressure on Tedford from the people that actually matter (i.e. the big donors).
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 8, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, and not to offend anyone, but I can’t even believe we’re broaching the subject. Tedford has won nearly two-thirds of his games and had seven straight winning seasons (something NO Cal coach has done since Andy Smith over eight decades ago), and we’re talking about canning him in favor of unknown coach X who has a high probability of not being as good.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But nothing can stop us, all we need is the right guy! Tedford isn’t that guy! There would be no drop-off if we brought in a new HC.
7+ years of continued success, some fans are treating it like it is much less. They also assume the above.
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by BeastMode on Oct 8, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention, the 180 he has done for our players in the classroom. He’s doubled our grad rate!! 44% in the previous head coach’s regime to 88% today! He actually gives a hoot about his players beyond the field.
I guess that doesn’t matter to some folks.
by Cali49a on Oct 8, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, that change may be even more striking than the one on the field.
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by BeastMode on Oct 8, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Rose bowl $3 mil salary Rose Bowl $3 mil salary Rose Bowl $3 mil salary Rose Bowl $3 mil salary Rose Bowl $3 mil salary Rose Bowl $3 mil salary Rose Bowl $3 mil salary Rose Bowl $3 mil salary Rose Bowl $3 mil salary…”
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to some extent, that argument isn’t terrible. If you’re gonna be paid like a top coach, then produce like one. But, for the most part, he has lived up to his salary. His salary ranks about in the 20’s, that’s pretty much where Cal stands over the past several years.
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by BeastMode on Oct 8, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting enough, although the total salary is in the 20s, compared to land and commercial values in the Bay Area and regular college cities, he’s probably underpaid.
Example, he makes about the same salary as Bo Pellini at Nebraska, but how much more expensive is it to live in the Bay Area than in Lincoln?
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, true, but coaches, and players in the pros, don’t take this into account. They don’t realize for example that 5 mill in Buffalo is not the same as 5 mill in NYC.
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by BeastMode on Oct 8, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with this strongly. Agents aren’t idiots, they make sure their clients know this stuff. It just might not have as big of an effect as you’d expect because, well, the expensive places are expensive for a reason – people want to live there.
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely. To use a baseball example, the Blue Jays have often had periods where they had difficulty signing free agents because the exchange rate made their salaries worth less. Also, I know that when Carlos Delgado was traded from the Marlins to the Mets a few years ago, it triggered a clause in his contract which stated that he would receive a salary bump to compensate for the increase in income tax (Florida does not tax individuals on income).
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Oct 8, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if it wasn’t for USC, Cal would have had it’s Rose Bowl already. Tedford had Cal within 1st and goal of not only the Rose Bowl, but the National Championship. Cal still should have gone to the Rose Bowl that year. We’ve had other years where we’ve competed for the Rose Bowl. Eventually it will happen. And it’s not like any other Pac-10 coach has taken their team to the Rose Bowl or anything, it’s been Carroll every single year (except the first year, but it’s not like Tedford had a chance to make it that year)…
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it weren’t for Mack Brown, Cal would have had it’s Rose Bowl already.
by CalBear81 on Oct 8, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The comprehensive list of agencies which conspired to keep us out of the Rose Bowl:
1.) Weather systems (If the Southern Miss game had come off as planned Cal would have been able to end its season on a resounding win over Stanford in the Big Game)
2.) Scheduling (Cal would have rolled through pretty much any team they could have scheduled out of conference, it just happened that we ended up playing Air Force, NMSU, and Southern Miss. Just a case of wrong place, wrong time.)
3.) Weak Pac-10 (Only 4 conference teams finished above .500 overall in 2004. That’s probably a bad year in the Big East, much less the Pac-10. Again: wrong place, wrong time.)
4.) Mack Brown.
I’m of the opinion that Mack Brown should have kept his big mouth shut, but on the other hand there was a lot going against us from the start and if nothing else 2004 should stand as an object lesson to err on the side of difficulty in OOC scheduling.
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by AERose on Oct 8, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mack Brown is the devil incarnate. I blame him for everything, everywhere, always.
by CalBear81 on Oct 8, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mack Bin Brown?
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by TwistNHook on Oct 8, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t freestyle jihad, big boy.
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by CalBandGreat on Oct 9, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup…it is freaking crazy that anyone would even suggest Tedford be fired. But lots of people are freaking crazy apparently.
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 8, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone who thinks Tedford should be fired seems to be assuming that another coach would be able to maintain his .600ish winning record AND “take us to the next level” (whatever the fuck that means).
They should take a long, hard look at Cal’s season-by-season records over the last 50 years before they make that assumption.
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by HolmoePhobe on Oct 8, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The idea of firing Tedford is absurd to the extreme at this point. He appears to have maxed out his “ceiling” in making Cal an 8-4 to 10-2 type team on an annual basis but so far has been unable to elevate the Bears beyond this level. Is 10-2 his ceiling as a coach? I believe carp and his shaven beard mentioned that he is willing to be patient until the facilities are done and then we’ll see what he can get out of the program and I agree with that.
What is frustrating is his conservatism as a coach. On the one hand, it is probably a big factor in why Cal has been and will likely continue to be a consistent 8-4 type team but watching the predictable offense and predictable defense have the same basic issues game after game…I understand the frustration people have with him.
That said, Riley is still dead to me. He doesn’t have the mental game to be a good, consistent QB at this level. No one can convince me otherwise at this point.
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by Fire Starkey on Oct 8, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what if Joe Starkey said Riley was a terrible quarterback? Could you agree with Joe Starkey?
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this case, absolutely.
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by Fire Starkey on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If joe starkey said they should throw riley out, he would be thrown out. i mean.. its joe starkey
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by cleancutmedia on Oct 8, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So his ceiling is…making the Rose Bowl and getting screwed out of it by Mack Brown being a whiner? Finishing 11-1 with the only loss coming to a USC team that Cal outplayed, who then went on to stomp Oklahoma for a National Championship? Isn’t that the kind of ceiling that you’re looking for in a coach? I don’t get it…
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This. Why do people assume that anyone else could do any better?
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by HolmoePhobe on Oct 8, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't we finish 10-2?
I hate to bring up Texas Tech… but ya know
I hear El Paso is beautiful in December....
by CruzinBears on Oct 8, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t counting that game, I was going for regular season record. :)
Was that before the switch to 12 regular game seasons?
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2006 was the first 12 game regular season. (Well, first since the permanent switch, for some reason 2002 and 2003 included a million games as well.)
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by AERose on Oct 8, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright my bad, let’s revise that to 10-1 then.
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, stop talking shit about Coach X, Avi. I know you’ve always hated him ever since he accidentally ran over your dog. Wait, did I said accidentally? I mean repeteadly. And did I say dog? I meant son.
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by TwistNHook on Oct 8, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this elsewhere, but why not say it again? In Sacramento people whined about Rick Adelman not getting the Kings to the NBA finals. Never mind that he had way more success than any previous coach. Adelman didn’t take the Kings “to the next level.” So he finally got fired. Since then, there has been a change of coach every single year, and the Kings have plunged from mediocrity to being the worst team in the NBA. Firing a coach who is bringing the team good success, because you want great success, can result in no success.
by CalBear81 on Oct 8, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to discount anything Adelman did for Sacramento, but the Kings probably did a favor to let him go. That team was in serious decline and had too many bad contracts laying around. If he were still there they’d win maybe 5 to 10 more games.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the Kings are a mess, and I’m sure Adelman is glad to be gone. But that just makes the notion of firing the coach for “not bringing the team to the next level,” all the more ridiculous. (And 10 more wins sounds pretty damn good most Kings’ fans about now.)
by CalBear81 on Oct 8, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
Some people seem to believe that they’ve seen enough thus far, and that after these two losses that Tedford should be fired regardless out of the outcome of the remaining 7 games. That’s ridiculous. That’s what I meant by “It’s still not time to fire Tedford, not this week,” although perhaps I should have just said, “It’s not time to fire Tedford based on the results of the season thus far.”
As for the second half of the sentence: “and perhaps not even by the end of the season,” I meant that even if Cal finishes 6-6, 7-5, or 8-4, it’s probably not enough to justify firing Tedford. If Cal went 4-8, or 5-7, I think we can definitely be very concerned but Tedford deserves another chance.
My main point is that people who seem to want Tedford fired are those people that drank too much koolaid and believed too much of the hype. These are the people who believed Cal would go 12-0 or 11-1 on the season hands down no second thought about it. Those expectations are largely unreasonable considering how many question marks this team had.
I think the main criteria for a coach’s tenure should be whether he is meeting expectations. Expectations for this year, in my opinion, were somewhere between 7-5 team, to an 11-1 team, with the record being largely determined by how much our passing game improved. Since it’s apparent that our passing game hasn’t made huge leaps and improvements, then the expectations for this season are more towards the 7-5 area. If Tedford lands in that 7-5 area, then he met expectations and there shouldn’t be too much talk of firing him.
Now, I’m not saying it’s okay to accept 7-5 seasons every year. However, there has to be a balance between seasons with lower expectations and seasons with high expectations. Unless you’re absolutely stocked with talent like USC, it’s quite unreasonable to expect 10+ win seasons left and right. Cal isn’t there yet. So we should be hoping for 10+ win seasons perhaps every four to five years, and otherwise be hoping for winning seasons in the other years. But many people seemed to believe 2009 was a season for high expectations, however, I really wasn’t one of those people. I thought there was perhaps a 10% chance or less we could have a great season, but for the most part I was thinking we were mostly likely around an 8-4 to 9-3 team.
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by HydroTech on Oct 8, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool, that is what I assumed you meant.
By the way, lots of level headed smart points being made here by lots of different commentors – hopefully everyone can remember this if we do end up 7-5.
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 8, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the type of loss mean anything to you?
I’m just wondering your opinion. In other words, is there such thing as a bad loss, or is a loss simply a loss to you? I think Cal has looked absolutely horrible in the last 2 games. You can argue that expectations were too high, the media overhyped Cal, etc etc…but at the end of the day those were flat out embarassments.
So, with that being said, say we go 8-4 and the 4 losses are a combined 140-12 (I believe we stand at 70-6 right now with the USC and Oregon losses)…does that change your opinion of the record? It does to me. Given the talent level of this team, I think those types of losses shouldn’t happen. At some point the coaches have to be held accountable for that.
And for the record, I think Tedford has earned (at least) a year or two after the SAHPC opens (barring a diasterous 0,1, 2, or 3-win type season). I’m not arguing he should be fired. I just think that there is an argument to be made on losses like the last two. I get the sense that people are not 100% angry about the losses themselves—but the manner in which Cal lost. I agree with those people. This doesn’t mean they “drank too much koolaid” as you allude to…it just means their expectation is that even in losses, the team should appear well-coached, prepared, etc. Can you argue that was the case in BOTH Oregon AND USC games?
by Trilogy44 on Oct 8, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can argue for the USC game. We were well-coached but didn’t execute, and if you don’t execute against the Trojans you’re lucky to stay in the game. Meanwhile USC exploited our weaknesses on both sides. You have to give credit to the other team for not just playing well, but smart too.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the quality or lack-thereof, of the losses does matter to me. The Oregon loss was bad, the worse loss of the Tedford era no doubt. However, I didn’t think the USC loss was so bad. It’s perceived to be worse than it really was because of (1) inflated expectations; (2) we just lost to Oregon 42-3. To me, the USC game wasn’t so much coaching errors, but merely player errors. Players weren’t winning their individual battles here and there. Now sure, the coaches are responsible for getting the players prepared week to week, but it’s also the players who play the game.
As I said in my post, in my opinion, the Oregon loss was mostly due to poor coaching (poor offensive playcalling, and defensive players not prepared for certain Oregon schemes), but the USC loss was mostly due to players not executing and winning their individual battles (missed tackles, not getting pressure on the QB, bad passes, etc.). Had a few players won their individual battles here and there, things would have been different.
Most fans just look at the disparity of the points in a loss and blindly blame the coaches. But I take things further and try to determine who is truly responsible for that loss.
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by HydroTech on Oct 8, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course the type of loss matters….the reason the 1-10 team in 2001 was so bad wasn’t just that we lost games, we lost 6 games by 30+ points!
I think one of the more amazing things about Tedford is that other than the 2005 USC game, we had never really been blown out until that Oregon game. (Say what you want about Texas Tech, Tennessee, and Maryland, but those games were ultimately 14, 17 and 8 point losses.)
7 years with only one 20 point loss!
Do you know how many games we won by 20 points in that time period? 32!
And now we have back-to-back terrible, horrible, no good, very bad losses. I think we might have lost the part of our brains that can accept such a thing.
So, yes, how you lose matters, but it is worth remembering that Tedford is incredibly good at that, not incredibly bad at it. And he also is really good at winning games by lots of points.
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 8, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
2 games out of 70+ are not statistically significant. They could very well be an anomaly.
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by HolmoePhobe on Oct 8, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the main criteria for a coach’s tenure should be whether he is meeting expectations.
I can’t agree with this. The main criteria for a coach’s tenure should be how successful the coach is. Beating the lowest of expectations is meaningless, and not living up to the highest expectations (NC every year for USC) is not the slightest bit of a negative for a team. Ultimately, it’s about the success a team has. Why should we let “expectations”, which are artificial, subjective, and ultimately not very related to what actually happens on the field, dictate how successful a coach is? That implies where you set your expectations is at least, if not more so, important than the actual success of a coach in winning football games. In that case, I expect Cal to go 1-11 every season…Holmoe like. Looks like Tedford will be around for a while! :)
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many really good-great games has Riley had against a legit team from a BCS conference (i.e., not 2009 Marland)?
Should we be shooting for “serviceable” when we might have someone better behind him if only he could actually be allowed to throw a meaningful pass?
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by carp on Oct 8, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Should we be shooting for "serviceable" when we might have someone better behind him if only he could actually be allowed to throw a meaningful pass?
I bet if someone looked they could basically find this exact statement written somewhere on this blog about Longshore/Riley. We need to put more trust into the fact that Tedford knows QB’s and gets to see the ones he has practice every day…
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if Riley’s a “practice player” and chokes during games?
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by carp on Oct 8, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There have been enough games where he’s done well, under pressure, that I think his ceiling is still pretty high.
by sec119 on Oct 8, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which games/performances would you call “well” and how good were those teams?
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by carp on Oct 8, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if one of the other QB’s is a “practice player” and chokes during games? I don’t know, I just don’t see making decisions based on variables you can’t control and can’t possibly know beforehand as a smart process for decision-making…
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008 Michigan State & 2009 Minnesota. God we would pulverize the Big 10.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tedford is 6-0 vs. the Midwestern TEleveN. Who else is looking forward to series with Ohio State and Northwestern?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Oct 8, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2013…Cal with home games against the Buckeyes and the Wildcats, and USC. Definitely buying my tickets that year.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will the stadium renovations be done by then?
by chowder on Oct 8, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think 2012 is the season they’re currently talking about playing in another stadium.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Oct 8, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wince seven games at Candlestick, I’d rather play at Pac Bell even if it means less tickets for everyone.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the Coliseum not an option? It would seem to be the logical choice, although we would have schedule around both the A’s and the Raiders.
by CalBear81 on Oct 8, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was the problem.
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 8, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had heard 2011. This would land us missing only 4 home Pac 10 games instead of 5.
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 8, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I thought it was 2011 as well
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 8, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, ok. 2011 would be fine too. Wouldn’t miss a Big Game in Memorial. I like it.
Although, with large construction projects like this, I always add 6 months-1 year to the expected completion time anyway.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Oct 8, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s because you aren’t a TRUE cal fan…
I hear El Paso is beautiful in December....
by CruzinBears on Oct 8, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the nickname the Animated Blogpoll came up for the Big 10 (The Baker’s 10) would stick. Stuff like the Midwestern TEleveN always seems so labored. (These are the things I think about.)
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by AERose on Oct 8, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Baker’s 10…I like that. Wish I’d thought of it. It is a bit obtuse, though, for some uses (it’s not immediately obvious that you’re talking about a college football conference).
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Oct 8, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even that is a bit of a reach
2008 Michigan St: Longshore comes in to relieve a pedestrian Riley, he throws 2 picks, Riley comes back and plays pretty well.
17-24 202 yards, 2 TDs
2009 Minnesota
16-25 252 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs.
“Kevin Riley overcame a shaky start…”
Yeah, sure, he played fine in the Michigan St game. It wasn’t great by any means and the 2008 Michigan St team beat exactly 0 quality opponents.
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by carp on Oct 8, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you say he choked when he overcame a shaky start and made the completions you would want him to make in the 4th quarter to push Cal over the top?
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Those should count as strong games for Riley.
by sycasey on Oct 8, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagreed. I didn’t say that. Yeah those were nice completions. He also almost threw a costly pick if Miller didn’t get his P-Chris on. We also don’t know how “good” Minnesota is.
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by carp on Oct 8, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a tough question, the question of when it’s appropriate to bring in the second string guy to give him a shot if the first string guy isn’t cutting it. I think if Cal starts losing a lot of its remaining games, we should give Sweeney and/or Mansion a shot. But I think Riley should get at least another 3 games as the undisputed starter before we start looking below Riley.
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by HydroTech on Oct 8, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not BCS, but his Armed Forces bowl line is still incredible…16-of-19, 297, 3 TDs, 1 rushing TD
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 8, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know…which is why I don’t know how many pivotal games he’ll get as an undisputed QB when he’s proven he’s not really a middle of the road Pac10 QB.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
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by carp on Oct 8, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will only disagree on one point
For those of you that are reacting very negatively to our supposed fall from grace again (and claiming this is 2007 all over again), I propose to you that you may have drank too much of the mass media kool-aid. The 2007 team and the 2009 team are not the same teams. The 2007 was legitimately BCS bowl contender with incredible talent on both sides of the ball. The 2009 team always had huge question marks at offensive line, wide receiver, quarterback, and linebackers. That’s a lot of questions. So to say that this is 2007 all over again blindly assumes that the 2009 team and the 2007 are of equal caliber, and they are not. Many Cal fans just began believing whatever the media fed us. Heisman candidate! Cal is a top ten team! USC is weaker this year! Cal is the best team in the Pac-10! Many of us fell for it. It’s time to wake up and stop your bitching. Cal didn’t fail expectations (not yet at least). The expectations were overly inflated to begin with.
Most of us, prior to the preseason rankings, thought we were probably ranked around 20-30ish in the nation. But the mass media saw Jahvid Best, and Jahvid Best only. Slowly, I think many of us began believing the mass media because they wanted it to be true. Generally, people see what they want to see and don’t see what they don’t want to see.
I don’t think you’re correct that the hype only came from media sources looking at Jahvid Best and only Jahvid Best. They saw a 9-win team returning the majority of their starters on both sides of the ball, and one that got to play its two biggest rivals early in the season when they were more likely to be unsettled. Even more level-headed prognosticators (like Phil Steele) were seeing Cal as probably the #2 team in the Pac-10 and having a puncher’s chance of beating out USC. So I don’t think the hype was entirely unjustified.
The high ranking? Yes, like 2007 the high ranking going in to the Oregon game was more a function of other teams losing than of Cal looking great (though we did look pretty good up until that game). However, I don’t think a Top 20 ranking was unjustified based on what we saw coming in. Yes, there were question marks, but all teams have question marks. Oregon had to rebuild their entire offensive and defensive lines. USC is starting an 18-year-old true freshman at QB. So while it’s true that we had question marks coming in, that is true of everyone, and I don’t see that as a great excuse for the recent poor performance.
I think Cal fans have good reason to be disappointed in the season results thus far. Now, disappointed to the point of wanting to bench Kevin Riley and fire Jeff Tedford immediately? No, there’s no good reason for that. But it was not unreasonable to think that this team could be great, so to see it come crashing down so quickly has been rough.
by sycasey on Oct 8, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s a good point. Perhaps I overly exaggerated the sentence you have issue with to prove my point. But no matter what aspects of the team that other level-headed prognosticators looked at, I still think they gave us too much benefit of the doubt and hype.
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by HydroTech on Oct 8, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems to happen a lot with Cal for some reason. “IF they get solid QB play this is a Top 10 team…so we’re gonna rank them 12th!” Yeah, a lot of times those if’s haven’t worked out as well as we’d like….
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps, but I don’t want to get into revisionist history here. Since we have pretty much stunk up the joint in the last two games, the impulse can be to say, “It was totally unreasonable to expect us to win!”
No, actually it wasn’t unreasonable. We had some decent preseason hype based on Jahvid Best and a lot of returning starters. A top 15 preseason ranking wasn’t ridiculous, based on that (name any of the teams below us, and I’ll rattle off the major question marks they also had coming in to the season). We moved up the rankings because a lot of other teams lost. Perhaps that set unreasonable expectations (we didn’t really have a Top 10 resume, but then again, who did?), but the ranking was not unreasonable in and of itself. We beat the first two teams in blowout fashion while scoring 50+ points. We came up with a respectable victory in a tough road environment (Minnesota’s new stadium). Oregon and USC had looked less-than-dominant coming in to our games with them.
Given all that, did anyone expect us to get crushed twice in a row? I don’t think so. These last two games have been well below even reasonable expectations of our performance in them. I’m not saying Tedford needs to go or that we will never bounce back, but let’s call a spade a spade — these were big-time disappointments.
by sycasey on Oct 8, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you remember the ‘hype and reality’ post, there were certain issues that we glossed over.
~Weaker linebacking corps
~The loss of our two most experienced O-line, and our underrated fullback
~A quarterback who was jerked back and forth between starting and secondary roles
All three of those issues are big ones, but two of them were glossed over by the mainstream media because of the Jahvid Best hype machine. Which is what Hydro was referring to. I mean come on, how much do media people pay attention to Cal football? They saw a Best highlight reel and probably thought we were a top 15 team automatically.
These losses are disappointing, but based on the weaknesses we had going into the season, they aren’t disheartening. Our team should be working its kinks out well the rest of the season.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they were glossed over, really. I just remember them being “question marks” going into the season. We all thought the answers would be positive (ie, the passing game gels, the LB’s learn quickly, etc….) The answers, mostly, have been very crappy. The passing game has not gelled. The LB’s are further behind the curve than we have anticipated. Therefore we will likely not be winning the Pac 10 this year. Are we top 25? Maybe, only time will tell.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 8, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I don’t think this is a huge issue going forward—we’ve probably faced the two best teams in the Pac-10, so if roll six straight victories out I’ll be less concerned. But it was an issue against the best teams; Oregon exploited us pretty well, and USC took their notes and did similar things. It’ll be up to the guys in the trenches and the coaches in the sidelines to overcome these maneuvers in future games.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying…part of the reason we were so hyped is because people for some reason turned our question marks into periods. Or even exclamation points.
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 8, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also looked like the question marks had been turned into periods during the season’s first three games, which only made the hype machine louder (again, not without justification). Granted, the competition was not as tough as USC, but most of it was looking pretty good until we rolled into Eugene.
by sycasey on Oct 8, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t buy into this theory that we’re through the worst and ready to run off a string of victories. Love to see it happen. Not counting on it.
Let’s just start with UCLA. What objective reasons are there to think that we will be able to beat a stout defense (that would appear capable of doing what Oregon and SC did to our offense) on the road in LA? Nyan Boateng coming back?
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by OskiMonsta on Oct 9, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What has UCLA accomplished to make you think their defense is “stout”, exactly? They do have some good players (Verran, Price, that linebacker I forget his name), but look at who they’ve played so far. SDSU is a bad football team, and was very competitive for most of the game. UT is 2-3, with their only wins coming against Ohio and Western Kentucky. KSU sucks. They’ve beaten Iowa State, UMass, and Tennessee Tech so far. Did I mention they lost to Louisiana Lafayette in addition to UCLA? Then ULCA lost to Stanford. Maybe UCLA is good, but given the fact that they were bad last year, haven’t solved their QB problems, haven’t solved their O-line problems, don’t have much RB talent…I’m not seeing where UCLA has proven it’s even a decent team, yet…
by Missing Barry on Oct 9, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I guess the point he might be making is that Oregon and USC didn’t look like hot stuff going into our games with them, and look what happened.
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by Avinash on Oct 9, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I get it, there are definitely reasons to be skeptical about the team the last two weeks. We just know a little more than that – we know USC is talented even when they aren’t playing well. Oregon has been good and probably has a lot of talent, though I will say I was almost as skeptical of them as I am of UCLA before we played them. UCLA, though, was bad last year, hasn’t shown anything this year…there’s just less reason to believe they’re a good team than the other two, you know?
by Missing Barry on Oct 9, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to see how they perform against Oregon before I make value judgments. They’ve been an impressive grinding team.
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by Avinash on Oct 10, 2009 3:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that Stanford did it.
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It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Oct 9, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is a sports blog . . . but
I worry more about this than anything that could happen on a Saturday…
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/opinion/03herbert.html?_r=1
by GoldenBear 77 on Oct 8, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of us feel the same way.
Oh, and as far as this being a sports blog, no topic related to Cal will ever be discouraged around here. If you’ve got more to say on the subject, FanPosts are always a great way to spread your word, and the Daily Bear Dump can be fertile ground for all sorts of discussion, on any topic you wish.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Oct 8, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is in fact a sports blog, but I fully agree with the premise of that article and it worries me greatly.
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in California makes the world go round.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 8, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
This article did come up (and then got lost, as is the case with these things), but I’m glad that on a place with such inanity and nonsense, there are people who honestly care about the University and it’s situation.
by Yes We Cannon on Oct 8, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schedule Issues
I think a big problem for Cal the past couple years has been our soft non-conference schedule. I’m not sold on Michigan State or Minnesota as top-flight Big 10 opponents, or Maryland as a real ACC challenger. We got Tennessee in 2007 when they were sinking in the SEC. And this year we scheduled an FCS team?
I’ve read that Tedford likes to play varying levels of non-conference competition to tune the team up for conference play, but so far the past few years, we’ve really only played poor to mediocre non-conference opponents. And that hurts us when it comes to Pac-10 play.
I’d rather we play two mid-level FBS teams and one really strong one each year before conference play. If we lose those games, so what? After more than half a century out of the Rose Bowl, it would be nice to focus our efforts on winning in Pac-10 play. And to do that, we need our kids playing the best competition in preparation for the REAL season — those nine games against the rest of the conference.
I’d trade wins in all three non-conference games for wins over USC and Oregon, and the rest of the Pac-10.
by Monica's Dad on Oct 8, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Monica’s Dad, thanks for the great Flickr photos! Definitely make our losses look prettier.
As to the nonconference schedule, I have to disagree. Michigan State didn’t beat anyone of notice last year, but they did go 9-3. Tennessee in 2007 still won the SEC West despite horrifying losses to Florida and Alabama, and came within an Ainge pick-six of knocking off the eventual BCS champs. Minnesota might not be great, but they aren’t bad either.
The fact is it’s hard to schedule tougher nonconference opponents because not many teams in other conferences want to play big-time OOC opponents when they can schedule Sun Belt/MAC/FBS opponents for home knockoffs. We’ve got Ohio State and Texas upcoming on the docket, and it’s taken Sandy a lot to get those arranged.
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by Avinash on Oct 8, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cal has been playing a tougher non-conference schedule than most teams in the SEC or Big Ten over the last several years.
Michigan State and Maryland finished with winning records last year. Minnesota has a good shot at it this year. While they are not top-flight opponents, they are decent competition.
by sycasey on Oct 8, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the kind words. You’ve got a good point, but when Oregon goes to the Big House and stomps Michigan (or takes its lumps at Boise State), the Beavs go to Happy Valley to take their beatdown like men, the Huskies host LSU (and nearly beat them), USC has an annual throwdown with Notre Dame, and now Stanford and Washington both get into that mix, it makes our non-conference play look less compelling. And really, what did the blowout of Eastern Washington do for us? Got some playing time for back-ups against competition that’s nothing like what they’ll face if they’re needed later in the season. And I get the sense it also blew up some egos and made some players and coaches complacent as they started to believe the hype about how great they are. Tucker comes to mind, but so do several folks along our offensive and defensive lines, and on the sidelines.
The win at Minnesota was quality. And the wins over Tennessee and Michigan State were good, too. I’d just like to see that be the lowest level of competition we face. If we can’t get Florida, at least swap out the Portland States, Sacramento States and Eastern Washingtons of the world with some higher-level opponents so the players and coaches get a more accurate read on where they are.
When’s the last time USC played an FCS opponent? Never. As much as I HATE the bastards, that is one thing I have to give them grudging credit for.
I didn’t know we had Texas and Ohio State coming up. Now that’s exciting. Even if we lose, those games will provide valuable experience for the kids and coaches, and exposure for the team.
by Monica's Dad on Oct 9, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reality of the situation is schools schedule like that because it helps their standings (more wins always = good, even if against lesser competition), and schools make more money playing more home games (when you play crappy competition, you don’t have to play a road game against them like you do against good teams). I doubt the demand to schedule Cal is that great, either, Cal just isn’t going to be the draw for mid-level BCS schools a team like USC is….
by Missing Barry on Oct 9, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other fact is that games sometimes get canceled, and sometimes the only way to fill the schedule is by adding an FCS opponent.
USC is unique in this respect. Take a look at other major-conference schools (particularly those east of the Mississippi) and Cal’s schedule doesn’t look bad at all.
by sycasey on Oct 9, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is an interesting issue – does playing tougher competition better prepare the players for the Pac-10 schedule? On the other hand, maybe you have to use some of your special plays to win those games and can’t use them later on. Also, scheduling harder opponents can definitely create injury issues – rolling over Maryland and E. Washington meant our starters didn’t have to play all game long. So…what’s the best strategy?
by Missing Barry on Oct 8, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries against cream puffs are even worse
Nate Longshore broke his leg in the first game of 2005 – a 41-3 destruction of lowly Sac State. As a result, we had to rely on Joe Ayoob who finished the season No. 8 in the Pac-10 in passing and No. 9 in total offense.
Three of our four losses that year were very close, and having Longshore almost certainly would have switched those to wins.
Nate could have gone down to injury against a tougher opponent, but he actually DID go down against a I-AA (now FCS) opponent. And that just makes it suck even more.
by Monica's Dad on Oct 9, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is true, injuries are always a problem. I’m just theorizing that starters get less reps against creampuffs (especially late game reps when players are tired and injuries are more likely to happen) so the chance of injury goes down. Not sure how much of an impact it has, though. I agree with you, though, it’s tough to see injuries happen against creampuffs – it just seems so….“what’s the point”…
by Missing Barry on Oct 9, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cal-SC Video
Does anyone have a full-game vid I can download? (not torrent or seed or whatever you call it)
by ttgiang15 on Oct 8, 2009 5:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, no
The problem with that is that the file is so big (3+gb) that it would take forever to upload it somewhere and it would take a long time to download it too. If multiple people are simultaneously downloading the file, it could also really slow down the process. I’ve tried in the past to upload highlights from the DVD given at at the Cal Coaches Tour over the summer and even though they are only around 1gb, the process was riddled with errors (the site would have difficulty holding onto the file or it would time out).
Though it may be easier for some of us if we had a single file to download, it looks like the only feasible option for now is to distribute the games via torrents. If you have a fast enough connection (and there are enough seeders), you can probably download the game in an hour or two.
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 8, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has always seemed to me that Tedford’s big mistake in 2007 was continuing to play Longshore when he was obviously injured and unable to make proper throws. If the had sat Longshore down for a couple of games, maybe his injury could have healed, and he would have been able to play properly. Maybe we would have lost the games while he was sitting, or maybe Riley would have stepped up. But at least Longshore would have had a chance to heal. By playing Longshore while he was hurt, not only did we have all those drive-destroying interceptions, but Longshore’s confidence was shattered.
At Big Game, when Cal was on that late drive for a tying touchdown, I turned to my friend and said, “you know he’s going to throw an interception, don’t you?” Two plays later, he did. If I felt like that, I’m sure Longshore and his teammates did, too, perhaps making it inevitable.
To me, the decision to keep playing a quarterback who seemed physically unable to play effectively seems like Tedford’s biggest mistake. I’m a fan, not a football expert. So somebody tell me if I am completely off-base with this.
by CalBear81 on Oct 8, 2009 5:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You are way off base.
It was Mack Brown’s fault.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 8, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We struggle to be the third best team in PAC-10
This is where we’ve been for the past 3 years. I’m sick of it. People on this blog act like we’re the second best team but we’re not and haven’t been. We don’t recruit like it and aren’t consistent enough. Another big game (or any road game) and the team shrivels up into the fetal position again. Constant carousel of offensive coordinators and no commitment to establishing the run with Riley overthrowing everything including the 2 yard 4th down that a QB in middle school PE could make.
The defense has been the huge disappointment. The offense has struggled since A-Rod but the defense was so good last year and losing the LBs obviously hurt but the rest of the team and scheme are the same. How can they get run over so easily and regress so far.
Developing QBs and a dominant running game is what Tedford’s strengths used to be. I don’t how a rational human being can see either of those two qualities recently (I do actually think Ludwig has gameplanned better than the last few OCs.)
I don’t know how you can’t feel like the season is lost again after those two gutless performances. That team is really going to beat Washington and UCLA and Stanfurd and Oregon State? The team clearly quit during Oregon and played just to get a score against SC. I need a Sweeney in to give me hope for next season but the pattern of big game and road flops is becoming too much.
At least Al Davis isn't running my team's drafts.
by bringbackbuddytrees on Oct 9, 2009 6:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’ll repeat a post I made somwhere else.
“Just for the record, if you think it’s a given that Cal collapses now (despite losing to probably the two other best teams in the conference), all you need to do is look at Oregon State to realize that’s not a given.
2006: Oregon State starts off 2-3, getting crushed 42-14 by Boise St, 41-13 to YOUR California Golden Bears, 13-6 to Washington State, with wins over Eastern Washington and Idaho thrown in. They proceeded to go 8-1 (including wins over USC and Oregon) in their next 9 games, with only a loss to UCLA to finish the year with 10 wins and ranked 22/21 in the country (Coaches/AP). (They played Hawaii so they played 14 games)
2007: Oregon State starts off 2-3, getting crushed 34-3 by Cinncinati, 40-14 by UCLA, and with a 44-32 loss to ASU. They had wins over Utah and Idaho State at this point. They proceeded to go 7-1 in their next 8 games, with only a 24-3 loss to USC to finish with 9-4 and ranked #25 in the AP poll.
2008: Oregon State opens the season with a loss to STANFORD, then gets crushed 45-14, wins its next 2 against Hawaii and USC before losing to Utah. They then go 7-1 over their next 8 games (which included getting destroyed in the Civil War) to finish 9-4 and ranked 19/18."
Dude, it’s college football. It’s two games. We don’t need any Sobbing Sally’s around here. Cal has a bye week to regroup, and then a big game down in LA, a place Cal’s never won. Fortunately UCLA doesn’t seem very good this year. I for one expect Cal to win. I take it you didn’t watch the first 3 games of the season? Yeah, playing against lesser competition makes a team look good, which is why we’re still better than Stanford and UCLA despite the fact that a team like Stanford has managed to win….against some of the worst teams in the Pac-10. The schedule drops off considerably for the rest of the season – Cal will probably be favored in most, if not all, of their remaining games. If you want to look back through Tedford’s tenure there’s an argument we ARE the second best program in the Pac-10.
1 is obviously USC
2/3 Cal – finished ranked 3 times, those rankings: 9, 25, 14 (this is all AP poll, they finished ranked 4 times in the coaches poll because last year they were ranked in coaches but #26 in the AP)
2/3 Oregon – finished ranked 3 times, those rankings: 13, 23, 10
4 – Oregon State – finished ranked 3 times, those rankings: 21, 25, 18
Over Tedford’s tenure USC has won the Pac-10 every single year. So Cal hasn’t won the Pac-10 outright, but if you’re looking at the candidates for #2 team, neither has anyone else. Cal’s won a share, though, and went 10-1 another year with the only loss coming against USC (eventual National Champion who destroyed Oklahoma), and Cal outplayed them on the road.
The point of this post is you’re out of your mind. It’s two games. They were certainly bad losses, yes, but it’s only two losses. The rest of the schedule is fairly easy, the good news is Cal can’t play any worse than they have the past two weeks (and can play considerably better, as we saw the first 3 weeks). This team, realistically, still has a good shot at 8-4 (and the possibility of a 9-3 or 10-2 season is certainly alive, like I showed with the Oregon State example). Crazy shit happens in college football. The world hasn’t ended, nor has the season. Just chill.
by Missing Barry on Oct 9, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit that the past two losses have shaken my confidence quite a bit. We didn’t just lose two games — we were utterly annihilated. While Oregon State has proven itself incredibly resilient under Mike Riley, our Bears have yet to prove they can get up off the mat under Jeff Tedford. After the 2007 collapse, everyone will continue to have doubts about our fighting spirit until we demonstrate it.
I think the whole season hinges on Oct. 17. Not saying it’s a must-win, but it is a must-compete. Kevin Riley needs a boost of confidence, and his receivers need to believe that if they get open they’ll be hit with a pass. As for the defense, our secondary needs to step up big time. Syd’Quan has been average and Hagan seems to be an easy target. The big plays that Ezeff, Johnson, Cattouse and Nnabuife made a year ago have been MIA in 2009. Maybe that’s because we don’t have Follett rushing the QBs’ throws. Whatever the cause, we’re getting torched. And not just in the losses. We couldn’t stop Minnesota’s pass offense either, despite knowing exactly what was coming.
I love the 3-4. I was wondering why we didn’t go to it earlier in 2007 instead of waiting until the Armed Forces Bowl. But with our lack of experience and playmaking at linebacker and soft coverage, I wonder if we might need to show more 3-3-5 with an extra safety cheating toward the line in case of a run. Our linebackers can’t drop into coverage very well, and none of them get into the backfield. They’re just there to collect tackles on our side of the LOS. Maybe someone like Chris Little could inject some coverage ability with the run-stopping ability of a linebacker, as well as the speed to rush off the edge.
by Monica's Dad on Oct 9, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big plays that Ezeff, Johnson, Cattouse and Nnabuife made a year ago have been MIA in 2009. Maybe that’s because we don’t have Follett rushing the QBs’ throws.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. Hagan isn’t playing at the level he was last year and we are lacking a Follett from the rushbacker spot.
I love the 3-4. I was wondering why we didn’t go to it earlier in 2007 instead of waiting until the Armed Forces Bowl.
It’s difficult to switch your base defense mid-season. All the repetitions from Spring and Fall Ball that were grilled into the players essentially go out the door. Everybody (especially the front 7) needs to learn completely different assignments. Cal didn’t have the right personnel and depth in 2007 (and even today they are lacking the right personnel) to switch full time to the 3-4.
by Cali49a on Oct 9, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While Oregon State has proven itself incredibly resilient under Mike Riley, our Bears have yet to prove they can get up off the mat under Jeff Tedford.
Got laughed out of the stadium in Tennessee, won the next 8 games by a margin of eleventy billion to three.
The defense got stronger as the night went on in Memorial. That alone gives me hope that Cal’s going to show some backbone.
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It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Oct 9, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope you’re right. That 2006 loss at Tennessee was tough, but Cal did actually score 18 points. And it was just one loss. They weren’t exactly on the mat after that single game. The past two weeks, we don’t have a single touchdown and our defense has been getting smoked. In the second half last week, our D might have tightened up. Or USC might have taken their foot off the gas as kids (and even pros) tend to do when they’re cruising to an easy win.
I’m not saying this is 2007 all over again — just that our kids still have to prove it ain’t, and that they can come back from back-to-back soul-crushing losses.
I’ll be in Pasadena next Saturday cheering them on, and hope we can get a ton of Cal fans there to do the same. Lord knows the kids need all the support they can get.
by Monica's Dad on Oct 9, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go read HydroTech’s Point #5 again. You definitely sound like somebody who drank too much of the laced kool-aid, is now hungover, and needs to let everybody know about it.
It sounds like you just want to win and don’t really want to focus on how the loss of players to graduation, coaching changes, injuries, players not developing as fast as we would hope, player academic issues, etc have all affected the play on the field on Saturdays. Cal is not the NFL, nor a football factory like SC, where you can just spend money and plug and play players when you feel like it.
by Cali49a on Oct 9, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually talked about it in this morning’s post, but I’m starting to wonder if a lot of our more disparaging fans might have a pro mindset when it comes to our college teams. I think it might deserve its own separate discussion.
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by Avinash on Oct 9, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s been my mindset since 2005 when a certain somebody who played QB in a spread offense at his JC was thrown into the starting QB position for a pro offense after just 9 months on campus. A former QB in this offense stated on the record that it takes about two years to grasp it and another year or two to really understand what’s going on. A lot of fans just can’t comprehend that these are college players learning on the job and sometimes are forced into a position to perform at a high level before they are close to ready.
by Cali49a on Oct 9, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding. It’s been a tough slog for our QBs to adjust and adapt, and they’ve gotten some unlucky breaks the past four seasons.
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by Avinash on Oct 10, 2009 3:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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