California's Offensive Playcalling is Exactly That, Offensive!
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If there's one thing about the California Golden Bears is the fact that the team just cannot put teams away. It happened in Minnesota and now it's happening against Arizona State!
I'm not sure why Andy Ludwig playcalling becomes so conservative after gaining a lead. In this case California even after a turnover was able to break out to a 14-0 lead. The Bears had a chance to take any kind of fight out of Arizona State after the Bears recovered a fumble as the Sun Devils were in position to score.
Then the questionable playcalling began. I just don't get why on third and four situation and a running back in Jahvid Best averaging well over four yards per carry on the season and even if he was stopped at least it gives one of the better punters in the Pac-10 a chance.
Instead Ludwig put Riley in a dangerous situation and it cost them. Riley fumbled the ball and the Sun Devils recovered the football. One play later the game was 14-7.
On the next series the Bears drove down the field and on a third and five situation decided to throw the football. A holding call on the play would have made it third and 15 but the Sun Devils declined making fourth down.
In this sequence the Bears had to settle for a field goal and that was missed. With the starting place kicker already out due to injury it would have been more beneficial to try to get a few yards closer for the backup kicker who has shown that he's not very consistent.
If Best ran for three yards it makes the field goal a 31-yard attempt instead of 34-yards. It would have been better for the Bears.
After the miss it took one play for the Sun Devils to tie the game up at 14. The Bears drove down the field but a couple of penalties hurt the Bears and they were forced to punt, which was excellent and forced the Sun Devils to start from the half yard line.
Sun Devils then turned the ball over to the Bears. There was plenty of time left for the Bears to score a touchdown, but had to settle for a field goal. Another questionable playcall on third down hurt the Bears as well. Again it was another pass.
If the Bears get a first down the clock stops anyways, so again the Bears had plenty of time to score and at least take time of the clock so the Sun Devils would have a hard time moving down the field.
In the end the Bears had to settle for a field goal from 25 yards out and gave the ball back to the Sun Devils with plenty of time left to at least get into field goal range.
Again another issue I have with Ludwig's game caling against the Sun Devils is how many times the Bears have had Riley carry the ball seven times. Riley also fumbled three times while losing two of those fumbles.
My problem though is the only other player to get a carry for the Bears besides Best and Riley was Jeremy Ross who carried the ball for five yards but could have gotten at least a few more yards if he had cut inside instead of tried stretching the play to the sideline.
What's mind boggling to me is the fact that Shane Vereen who would be starting for many teams in the country only touched the ball twice in the first half! Yes, you heard me twice in the first half.
My other problem is the fact that Marvin Jones who has great hands and looks like a solid receiver only has one catch and it's not like the Sun Devils is one of the top teams in the Pac-10 in terms of secondary play.
So, my problem has been with the Bears pretty much the whole season though is the lack of utilization of the Bears best players. Jones is rarely looked at, Vereen needs more carries to go with using Best, and in fact utilizing the tight end Anthony Miller in short third down situations.
I also think that the Bears need to start using both Vereen and Best in the same backfield. Let teams worry about which running back is going to be used. It also could be used to stretch out the defense because both Vereen and Best can catch the football out of the backfield and if either of them are matched up on a linebacker those teams are in trouble.
The Bears have so many weapons offensively I didn't even touch on the fact that Verran Tucker has some talent at the wide receiver position along with Nyan Boateng the Bears should have had a much better wide receiver core this year.
I also realize the Bears have gone through offensive coordinators recently, but it's time for a new one after the year. Ludwig has failed miserably with utilizing the Bears best players and that offense that was supposed to be so potent has been anything but and can only be described as offensive!
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The Bears defense gives up 17 points in a 32 point victory and you call for Gregory to be fired.
The Bears offense gets not one, but TWO 4th quarter drives to set up go-ahead field goals, and you call for Ludwig to be fired.
I can’t even imagine what you’ll be like after a loss.
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by Avinash on Oct 31, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t get why on third and four situation and a running back in Jahvid Best averaging well over four yards per carry on the season and even if he was stopped at least it gives one of the better punters in the Pac-10 a chance.
The running backs (and JRoss) were averaging 3.2 yards per carry. Best’s longest run of the day was a measly 8 yards. You really had confidence this team with an O-line that has not performed well (and was even missing a man) would be able to get him 4 yards on the ground on a 3rd and 4?
My other problem is the fact that Marvin Jones who has great hands and looks like a solid receiver only has one catch and it’s not like the Sun Devils is one of the top teams in the Pac-10 in terms of secondary play.
So, my problem has been with the Bears pretty much the whole season though is the lack of utilization of the Bears best players. Jones is rarely looked at, Vereen needs more carries to go with using Best, and in fact utilizing the tight end Anthony Miller in short third down situations.
In case you missed it, Marv had 4 catches today and has 11 catches for 195 yards over the past three games. It’s tough to say Cal has overlooked Jones. One more thing, you say we should use Miller in third and shorts…but you were just saying how Best should be carring on third down and 4/5. Which is it? Miller or Best?
Honestly, I don’t think you have much of an argument. Despite your ticky-tack criticisms, this team is averaging 39 points per game in the past 3 games and leads the conference in scoring. I don’t have any problem whatsoever with the offense.
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 31, 2009 7:02 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Jones had 4 catches and was thrown to 7 times (based on the official play by play summary).
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by Ohio Bear on Oct 31, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The game was pathetic
The Bears could have easily, easily scored more than 23 points against a lousy Arizona State team. Are you going to try to tell me that the Wildcat formation was effective? How about the fact that most of the game Riley was out of the shotgun.
Hello there’s also another running back named Shane Vereen that the Bears could have used? How many touches did Vereen have today? Four or five?
Ludwig is pathetic! Gregory is pathetic!
How come the only pressure that was on O’Sullivan was the last play of the game? How about Marcus Ezeff he is a senior and he’s totally regressed!
There’s is absolutely no excuse for the way the Bears played today, it was almost as if the Bears were back in Holmoe era!
Tedford needs to get rid Gregory and he needs to get rid of Ludwig, end of story. The Bears defense is filled with pansies! Get after the fucken quarterback!
There’s a reason why the Bears got anihilated by the Trojans and the Ducks? Want to know why the Bears will never get too that level? It’s because the Bears have a fucken pansy as a defensive coordinator who would rather let a quarterback have all day to throw and pick apart the weak ass zone the Bears play!
Ludwig, what has Ludwig done as offensive coordinator this year? Absolutely nothing! The offense has been garbage and the sad part is Ludwig has no clue how to use the weapons that Cal has on offense.
So, yes both Ludwig and Gregory need to be show the door!
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello there’s also another running back named Shane Vereen that the Bears could have used? How many touches did Vereen have today? Four or five?
Not sure what the point is here. Is the suggestion that we should have spelled Best a little bit more?
Vereen had 2 official “touches” (1 rush, 2 receptions). Based on the official play by play, Vereen was a focal point of an offensive play 8 times: 1 rush, 2 receptions, 1 thrown to (incomplete), 2 rushes negated by penalty, 1 wildbear pass (I’m with you on disagreeing with that call, btw), and 1 wildbear handoff to Best.
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by Ohio Bear on Oct 31, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get after the fucken quarterback!
I’m going to assume that by getting after the QB, you mean by sending more pass rusher.
Do you see the cons of being aggressive? There are pros and cons to both strategies (being aggressive versus being conservative). To put things into perspective, ASU was very aggressive (by blitzing a lot) on Cal’s final drive and got burned. If Gregory was more aggressive, that could happen to us too.
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by HydroTech on Oct 31, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough with the you know what aggressive means and no one else does. I think there are a number of people that would like to see some more creativity when it comes to rushing the passer even if it comes with the danger of giving up big plays. And, really, it isn’t like our pass defense is particularly stout to begin with, it may not change the result all that much. Whether we need more or better twisting, stunting, overloading, I don’t know, but something isn’t working and below average quarterbacks are getting too much time to pick apart our defense.
I don’t follow every one of your posts/responses, but do you think this is merely a personnel problem and has nothing to do with coaching, scheme, and playcalling. Like most things in life, it’s a little of both. But what do you think is the problem and what should Cal do to improve their defensive performance?
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by BeastMode on Oct 31, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, I have to preface the word "aggressive" with an explanation, not because I think I think I know what it means, but because the typical Cal fan only knows the word "aggressive" as meaning to send more pass rushers.To me, it means doing other things too, that doesn’t necessarily mean sending more pass rushers. That’s not me being arrogant or anything. So you can drop this whole "hydrotech thinks he’s smarter than everyone else" fantasy. That’s not true. I’m merely trying to be more accurate in my statements.
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by HydroTech on Nov 1, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I still have that fantasy? It’s really my wife’s favorite!
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s just that we don’t have tons of talent on the team right now. Sure, we could try and make up for it with maybe a few more blitzes, more stunting, more pre-snap DL shifts, and masking the secondary coverage – or even mixing in more man and zone coverage, but I think we’re just not as talented as a team as we were for the past 3 years.
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by HydroTech on Nov 1, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, WW, Felder, and Follett were all extremely regarded recruits…
I think we didn’t appreciate the impact they had on the games against the middling Pac-10 teams.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 1, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree. Felder, Follett, and WW, were all pretty highly rated. I think they’re some of the highest ranked LBs we’ve ever gotten. I think Follett and Felder were both in the teens for national linebacker rankings.
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by HydroTech on Nov 1, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough with the you know what aggressive means and no one else does.
Hydro explaining that aggressive =/= good has become tiresome, but much less tiresome than the critics who throw the word around without actually stopping to figure out what it means.
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by AERose on Nov 1, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, both Hydro’s explanation and people who don’t know what they’re talking about had become tiring.
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by BeastMode on Nov 1, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears could have easily, easily scored more than 23 points against a lousy Arizona State team.
Yes, we could have scored 29 had we not fucked up 2 field goals. Against a pretty fucking good ASU D.
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*not TnH's comment but the original comm
by totallyawesome on Nov 1, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m reasonably certain he is being serious. Or this is the world’s greatest performance art piece.
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaaaand it begins…
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by BearStage on Nov 1, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
You have got problems.
I think it is better to evaluate the coordinators in terms of some more tangible issues such as the schemes, countering tendencies to keep the opposition off balance, coaching up the players on skills, and ultimately recruiting to their philosophy. Second-guessing individual play calls is of limited use, given the limited perspective of us on the couch compared to the guys i the middle of the fight.
From my vantage point, while the team has room to improve, but they seem to be doing a pretty good job to me.
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by Jake88 on Oct 31, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very true, Cal entered the game and scored on two out of three possessions. That is called having an effective game-plan. Honestly, Cal was not stopped very often by calling plays that didn’t work. Penalties, fumbles, and dropped passes were the primary culprits, and yes I realize penatlies, fumbles, etc. are bad plays, but it wasn’t the design of the play that was the problem, rather the players. Most of Cal’s failed drives stemmed from Cal players not seizing the opportunity provided by the play call.
by chowder on Nov 1, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s is absolutely no excuse for the way the Bears played today, it was almost as if the Bears were back in Holmoe era!
To compare this team in any way to the Holmoe era makes me question whether you even watched the Holmoe era. The only thing today that resembled the Holmoe era was the 12 penalties. And that has nothing to do with either playcalling or defensive schemes, which are to target of your criticism.
Look, I’m not going to blow sunshine up anyone’s rear end about this performance. Sure, I’ll enjoy the win, but I saw a lot to be worried about, too. But I think it’s premature to throw Ludwig under the bus (especially since we’ve had no continuity at offensive coordinator in the last few years). As for Gregory, I get that you have a philosophical difference with his sheme and perhaps his gameplanning. Fair enough. But unless you can profess to know our personnel better than he and the defensive coaching staff do, then I think it’s best that we defer to his judgment on what and how we play on defense.
Praise be to Tedford!
by Ohio Bear on Oct 31, 2009 8:40 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Did you not see?
The fumble by Riley on the three yard line? Not taking care of the ball is Holmoe like. How about the defensive play by Marcus Ezeff who allowed Kyle Williams to just run through the secondary and burn the Bears for a 80 yard touchdown?
What about the fact that the Bears managed just nine points after scoring 14 points in the first quarter? How about the fact that the defense played way too soft! That’s Holmoe like as well!
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the point of your post was playcalling and defense schemes: coaching issues. Fine, if you’re expanding the universe of what we’re talking about, okay.
But if you’re going to go there, tell me how many Holmoe era teams made not one, but two 4th quarter drives to FG range with the game on the line in the 4th quarter. On the road.
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by Ohio Bear on Oct 31, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going two games in a row without scoring a touchdown is Holmoe-like!
Oh wait… Holmoe never did that.
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by BearStage on Nov 1, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Et tu, BearStage?
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m on board with Tedford, everyone knows this.
I just couldn’t resist.
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by BearStage on Nov 2, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So the fact that?
The Bears wide receivers are not utilized correctly. In eight games this year Jones averages 2.75 catches so round up to three catches a game! That’s on the coordinator. Verran Tucker the second best receiver on the team averages 2 catches per game.
So, between the two receivers there are five completions per game to the wide receivers. Although, Ross has overtaken Tucker as the second best receiver on the team but Ross averages the same amount of catches
Basically it means that the three leading receivers combine for seven catches a game. That’s unacceptable also no receiver averages near 50 yards per game either.
Anthony Miller the tight end averages two catches per game as well. Again, the three receivers and the tight end average for nine receptions a game.
Riley averages 16 completions per game. So, that means there are seven passes that Riley throws to are the running backs.
Now let’s compare to other Pac-10 teams:
Oregon State’s best receiver seven catches per game
Oregon’s best receiver gets four catches per game
Arizona’s best receiver gets five catches per game
Arizona State’s best receiver gets five catches per game
Stanford’s best receiver gets six catches per game
UCLA’s best receiver gets four passes per game
USC’s best receiver gets five passes per game
Washington’s best receiver gets four passes per game
Washington State’s best receiver gets four passes per game
Isn’t it interesting that every single school in the Pac-10 has a receiver that averages over more than four catches per game, while Cal doesn’t. That’s telling you something about the system that is employed.
I understand that Cal is a running offense, but even Oregon gets a receiver to at least be a threat and four catches per game isn’t really a lot of catches to begin with either.
All these stats are before today’s action.
If you look at where Riley ranks in terms of Pac-10 quarterbacks and yards per game he’s ranked number six, he’s ranked number six in attempts, six in completions, tied for second with 11 touchdown passes, and the only thing that is even remotely positive is the fact that Riley doesn’t throw interceptions he’s only thrown two on the season.
In terms of receiving Marvin Jones comes in at number 16 in the conference in terms of yards ahead of Jones are two tight ends. What does that again say about the offensive system?
As for yards per game Jones is at number 20. Again there are two tight ends ahead of Jones in terms of yards per game as well.
The four touchdowns receiving is good enough for tying for second place in the Pac-10.
The Bears running game has been solid again Jahvid Best is in third in touchdowns, third in yards, third in yards per game, and third in yards per carry.
But, in order to be more consistent the Bears need to start utilizing their receivers more.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd see your point a little bit better
If you weren’t using receptions as the key stat. Frankly, we’ve had problems with accuracy and drops this season. The key number to gauge underutilization of receivers, it seems to me, would be number of times receivers are thrown to.
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by Ohio Bear on Oct 31, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More to the point, we have way more receivers than half of those teams. Thus we throw the ball around to different guys.
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by Avinash on Oct 31, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riley had 27 completions today
14 were to WRs, not counting any of the Best receptions (7 total) which may have come while he was lined up as a WR.
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by Ohio Bear on Oct 31, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But.....
Best had seven catches, Brian Holly had a catch, and Vereen had two catches. So, 10 completions went to the backfield. The 17 went to receivers and tight ends which is good.
The problem is most of the throws to the receivers happened in the second half. Jones had only one catch in the first half. When I say utilize him more it means he should be used consistently in each half.
That only catch though was big it was the second touchdown of the game that went for 12 yards.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you drunk?
You’re talking about “putting teams away”… in the first half.
It is definitionally the case that any lead that is achieved in the first half can be undone in the second half.
There are any number of additional howlers I could hit, but really… not worth bothering, I think.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 31, 2009 8:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What you're saying is
A superior team comes into an away game. They already have a 14-0 lead in the first quarter do they start playing soft or do they keep the pedal to the metal? What would have happened to Cal’s confidence if they went on a 97 yard drive to put the game to 21-0?
If it wasn’t for the fact that Riley fumbled at the three and the missed assignment by Ezeff the Sun Devils would have only scored seven points.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes it sound like our coaching staff did okay
If it wasn’t for the fact that Riley fumbled at the three and the missed assignment by Ezeff the Sun Devils would have only scored seven points.
Which means that the coaching staff had us largely prepared to play, scheme and game plan wise, only to have the players blow it on execution?
I don’t buy the notion that Ludwig put Riley in a “dangerous situation” to throw on 3rd and 3 at our 9 yard line. That one was on Riley, pure and simple. He needed to protect the football better.
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by Ohio Bear on Oct 31, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about passing there though
Best before the game was averaging 6.8 yards per carry and I realize that Best hasn’t done very well against talented defensive fronts, but I think Best is a little bit more surehanded in that situation.
You also knew that Arizona State was going to be aggressive if the Bears ran a counter or misdirection maybe Best could have gone for a first down. Even if the Bears didn’t make the first down Bryan Anger is one of the best punters in the Pac-10.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point
And, honestly, I thought we were going to run it in that situation. But I can’t second guess the pass call. It was not an unreasonable decision at that time, even at that part of the field. Riley had been good to that point and the running game was kind of meh. And maybe we were expecting ASU to overplay the run in that situation.
Yes, it turned out to be a disaster where we gave back the gift turnover we’d gotten 3 plays earlier. But again, I think the result was more an execution issue and not a playcalling issue.
Now the pass by Vereen on 2nd and goal on the game winning drive – THAT was a playcalling issue!
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by Ohio Bear on Oct 31, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that was pretty bad
I just don’t like the wildcat formation to begin with. I also believe if Riley was back in a shotgun formation on that play Miller catches the game winning touchdown pass because he was definitely open, the problem was that Vereen just kind of floated the ball into Miller, if Vereen had gotten some mustard on the throw that’s a touchdown, but even if it did go for a touchdown I think that call was way too risky for that kind of situation.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But do you understand that Miller probably wouldn’t have been that open if Riley was back there as the QB? The reason why Miller gets (somewhat) open is that since we had Vereen back there in the wildcat, the defense is expecting the run. We have NEVER passed out of the wildcat before. The defense was probably 99% sure we were going to run. That’s how Miller got (somewhat) open. He wouldn’t have been more open if Riley was back there. He would have been less open.
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by HydroTech on Nov 1, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's also the problem
From the time the Bears scored their second touchdown of the game, the Bears had 26 plays that went for 97 yards. During that time the Bears punted, fumbled, missed a field goal (no coordinators fault there), punt, and field goal.
The second half didn’t really get much better either. The Bears had 36 plays that went for 156 yards. During the second half the Bears possessions went punt, field goal, punt, punt, another missed field goal, and field goal.
The only saving grace for the Bears during the game were their second and third possessions where the went 12 plays for 134 yards and the two touchdowns. Then the game winning drive which resulted in the field goal was for 11 plays and 74 yards.
This isn’t the only time things like this have happened to the Bears offense this year. We know what happened when the Bears played USC and Oregon, but I’m talking about Minnesota as well.
Against Minnesota the Bears shot out to a 14-0 lead. In fact in those two possessions to start out the game the Bears had 166 yards of offense in 12 plays. There was a punt and then another touchdown for the Bears which was a 10 play drive for 74 yards. So, in those three possesion the Bears had 22 plays for 240 yards.
But, from 2:34 left in the second quarter to four minutes into the fourth quarter the Bears did absolutely nothing on offense. The Bears only managed 15 plays for 10 yards.
Luckily for the Bears they were able to bounce back because they scored two more touchdowns going for 16 plays and 117 yards during that time.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On the next series the Bears drove down the field and on a third and five situation decided to throw the football. A holding call on the play would have made it third and 15 but the Sun Devils declined making fourth down.
So, Cal should have run on 3rd and 5? Running on 3rd and 5 is pretty conservative. Aren’t you advocating for more passing?
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by HydroTech on Oct 31, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I see what you're saying
On the next series the Bears drove down the field and on a third and five situation decided to throw the football. A holding call on the play would have made it third and 15 but the Sun Devils declined making fourth down.
In this sequence the Bears had to settle for a field goal and that was missed. With the starting place kicker already out due to injury it would have been more beneficial to try to get a few yards closer for the backup kicker who has shown that he’s not very consistent.
If Best ran for three yards it makes the field goal a 31-yard attempt instead of 34-yards. It would have been better for the Bears.
So you’re saying that on 3rd and 5, Cal should have run the ball to shorten up the field goal kick. Such a philosophy would be considered by most people to be conservative. That’s what you’re suggesting? Yet you’re blasting Ludwig for being too conservative? It seems like you’re contradicting yourself.
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by HydroTech on Oct 31, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed the same thing, how is running the ball not the more conservative approach. I have problems with Ludwig’s style, but I wouldn’t necessarily call him conservative. In fact, I think he takes some chances at times I’d prefer he not.
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by BeastMode on Oct 31, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The wildcat pass was definitely an aggressive playcall. I personally didn’t agree with the call due to the need to run the clock. But that was definitely quite a “going for the jugular” playcall.
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by HydroTech on Nov 1, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed, it was quite a gamble. I rather liked it; scoring a touchdown means you’re a lot less worried about the time on the clock.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Nov 1, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where they were on the field
I would have taken anything that would have gotten positive yards in that situation based on the fact that Bears have an inconsistent kicking game, so anything closer to 30 yards or under would have been fine with me in that situation.
Also, I’m not quite sure the playcalling was right in that situation. I would have rather seen the Bears try to utilize the size of Miller or at least get it to where Jones could get a first down.
The Bears are missing a go to wide receiver.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you’re saying about getting the ball to certain players. But one thing to remember, is that perhaps the offense is trying to do that, but that specific player just wasn’t open. Just because the pass goes to X player, doesn’t necessarily mean the offense was hoping to get the ball to X player and was ignoring Y player. Y player might have been the person they really wanted to get the ball to, but for some reason the ball just didn’t go to Y player.
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by HydroTech on Oct 31, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But,
Jones is the closest thing for the Bears and at that point he only had one catch on the afternoon.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marvin Jones had 4 catches for 58 yards today, including a few clutch catches on down field passes. Here’s the link to the box score.
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by HydroTech on Oct 31, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
None more clutch than the 26 yard completion on the 1st and 25 play, right after he was flagged for a facemask.
Jones was also thrown to a total of 7 times.
Praise be to Tedford!
by Ohio Bear on Oct 31, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Jones had four catches
But only one in the first half for 12 yards. Meaning he had three for 46 yards in the second. Why can’t the Bears throw a little bit more to him in the first half? I think the touchdown was the only time in the first half that Jones was looked at.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DO you know whether Jones was open on every play? Maybe he wasn’t getting open, maybe they were dropping a safety over the top, maybe it is better spread the ball around. Who cares about one half, focus on the entire game. Most of all, chill a little.
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by BeastMode on Oct 31, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again another issue I have with Ludwig’s game caling against the Sun Devils is how many times the Bears have had Riley carry the ball seven times. Riley also fumbled three times while losing two of those fumbles.
You have problems with the fact that Riley was running with the ball when he had fumbled so much. I understand your concern; however I think you also have to remember that not all of those situations were Riley was running were designed runs. Some of those plays were pass plays that Riley just didn’t see anyone open and ran.
You seem very upset at the fact that Riley was running and you blame Ludwig; however, perhaps your anger is misplaced. Perhaps you should be upset at the offensive line for not sustaining blocks longer, or the WRs for not running routes better (I’m not saying they weren’t, but this is always a possibility) and getting open. Had we had better execution by the players on the field, Riley might have not had to run, might not have fumbled, and you’d be happy … if that’s possible.
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by HydroTech on Oct 31, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s mind boggling to me is the fact that Shane Vereen who would be starting for many teams in the country only touched the ball twice in the first half! Yes, you heard me twice in the first half.
Vereen could probably start for 90% of FBS teams. Best could probably start for 99% of FBS teams. Even though the two runningbacks have different running styles, it seems logical to have Best get the majority of the carries.
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by HydroTech on Oct 31, 2009 9:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely, but Vereen was underutilized this game, that’s pretty hard to argue against.
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by BeastMode on Oct 31, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, my problem has been with the Bears pretty much the whole season though is the lack of utilization of the Bears best players. Jones is rarely looked at,
Jones is clearly our best WR. And I too wish that he’d get more catches. But successful passes depend on many things: (1) good pass blocking; (2) the WR getting open; (3) a catchable pass. Perhaps Jones just isn’t getting for whatever reasons. That doesn’t necessarily mean that Riley isn’t looking at him.
Vereen needs more carries to go with using Best,
So you’re saying Vereen needs more carries? At the expense of Best getting carries? I’m going to assume that you just mean that Vereen needs to get more carries and not at the expense of Best. If so, that means Cal will pass the ball less, as since they will be handing off the ball to Vereen more. This might work. It will also make the Cal offense more “conservative” as since running plays, generally, get less yardage than passing plays. Is this what you want? Haven’t you been advocating for more aggressive offensive playcalling?
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by HydroTech on Oct 31, 2009 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Best and Vereen
Here’s what I want for the Bears in a perfect world the Bears would be able to do what Oregon did against them. Hit for short passes to their playmaking wide receivers, in this case Jones.
Teams will have to worry about the short passes to the Bears wide receivers and hence allow the Bears to run more. I’m calling for short throws on first down such as a five yard pass to Miller.
Works almost like a run, but keeps the defense honest. That’s what Oregon did so well against Cal in Eugene.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You either don’t watch Riley very closely or you are choosing not to believe what your eyes see. He’s had accuracy issues on short passes his whole career. Sometimes he nails them, sometimes he doesn’t. He’s getting better but he’s simply not there yet.
by Cali49a on Oct 31, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see your logic. Hitting on short passes to the Bear’s WRs would just set up the longer pass. It would stack more people into zones around the LOS and not necessarily create any more space for our RBs.
Yeah, short passes would work more like a run to keep the defense “honest” but in all reality, it won’t be opening up any more holes are lanes for our RBs.
That and as Cali49a says, Riley is not Rodgers when it comes to short-medium passes.
by Shadwhand on Nov 1, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Also
If the pass protection is so bad why not use a three step drop and a quick slant using Jones or Tucker?
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a good question. One aspect of the offense that I have become worried about is that our passing plays are very long and slow developing. They usually are playaction, playaction bootleg, seven step drops, etc. We see less 5 yard drops, and we see zero three step drops. Cal’s passing offense has become a very slow developing pass offense. It lacks the quick pass diversity. Why the Cal offense is like this, would be a great question to ask Ludwig or Tedford.
I can theorize a few reasons why this might be so, but I’d rather hear what the coaches have to say.
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by HydroTech on Oct 31, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Riley is inaccurate on short passes and Tucker is not reliable with holding onto the ball. What’s your obsession with Tucker? He’s not the second best WR on the team.
by Cali49a on Oct 31, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tucker isn’t the second best WR on the team? After Jones, it is sort of a jumble between Tucker, Ross, and Boateng with each of them having good games here and there. On several occasions it Tucker appeared to look like our second best WR. Funny thing is, I think the most underutilized guy is Lagemann. I kinda wish he got more time out there.
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by BeastMode on Oct 31, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lagemann was actually who I was thinking of when I posted. He needs more PT for me to stand behind that statement, but the fact that he hasn’t dropped a pass thrown at him iirc this year already bumps him up above the rest in my book. He may not be as athletic as the other WRs listed, but WRs are supposed to catch the ball first and foremost.
by Cali49a on Nov 1, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
getting open?
Lagemann so far looks solid when he’s being thrown to. However, I’d be curious to see how good he is at getting open. That seemed to have been the knock against our receivers to begin with (that and the annoying case of dropsies).
by totallyawesome on Nov 1, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears have so many weapons offensively I didn’t even touch on the fact that Verran Tucker has some talent at the wide receiver position along with Nyan Boateng the Bears should have had a much better wide receiver core this year.
I think you’ve over-estimated the Bears’ offensive talent. Best will play in the NFL. Vereen has a solid chance at being a mid-round pick. But other than those two, that’s it. Boateng isn’t going to be playing in the NFL. Neither will Tucker. Neither will Ross. Marvin Jones may become a very solid WR over the next few years, but even he is no sure shot. So that’s perhaps two offensive players who have NFL futures. Now compare this to previous years’ offenses. The 2006 squad had, in order of talent: (1) Lynch; (2) Jackson; (3) Hawkins; (4) Stevens; (5) Forsett; (6) Jordan; (7) Morrah. The 2007 squad had the same crew, aside from Lynch. Now those are some offensive weapons. This year’s offense is nothing like the ’06 or ’07 offense. Those two years had some true weapons. This year, not as much.
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by HydroTech on Oct 31, 2009 10:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you can put Lynch over Jackson in terms of talent. You could argue the RB has the bigger impact on the game, but in terms of overall talent, I’d have to put them as (1a) and (1b). You can see it on Sundays just how rare DJax’s blend of agility, fluidity, precision, hands, and speed are. To be fair, Marshawn has some of the best jukes in the business, for sure, and his short-space speed is undervalued. That is why I wouldn’t put one over the other. My opinion is that they may both be better NFL players than Jahvid, which is also a reason why I think he may return for his last year unless we close this season on a great run. Jahvid’s going to need good-blocking in the NFL, but I also think he can be a full-time NFL back after the way he’s put on some muscle and driven some players back a few times.
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by Thoroughbred on Oct 31, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picking of nits, I’d put Stevens above Hawkins.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nit duly picked
But I think Hydro’s point is that all of those guys, except Jordan, are on an NFL roster right now.
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by Ohio Bear on Nov 1, 2009 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that is my point.
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by HydroTech on Nov 1, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but the Hawk can fly, man.
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by carp on Nov 1, 2009 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I basically agree that we had more talent before, but I don’t think it is as lopsided as you suggest. Besides Best and Vereen, this team has several guys that could be NFL-caliber when it’s all said and done, including Jones, Miller and (gasp!) Riley. I’m not sure we would have pegged Forsett, Jordan or Hawkins and NFL guys at this stage in their careers.
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by OskiMonsta on Nov 2, 2009 2:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta disagree, I do think it's as lopsided as I suggest
NFL cailber: Jones… maybe. Miller… maybe. Riley… nope.
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by HydroTech on Nov 2, 2009 3:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, gentlemen’s bet that Riley gets drafted after next season?
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by OskiMonsta on Nov 2, 2009 6:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, as of right now, I don’t see NFL potential in Riley’s future. Of course, that could change next year. So we’ll hold off on the bet until I see the results next year.
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by HydroTech on Nov 2, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s a little cut and dry. I think Riley has the arm for it. If he has a specatucular senior season, I could see him being drafted… I mean, Brian Hoyer was drafted!!! His height is a drawback, but he’s shown he can take hits too.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 2, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how long have you been a bears fan rocky?
what matters are W’s.
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by Rocksanddirt on Oct 31, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jones and Tucker have a chance to be special
Jones has great hands and seems to be a solid route runner just like Jackson. The problem is again is that the Bears don’t get Jones the ball. When Jackson was at Cal you’d know he’d get the ball at least eight times a game if not more.
Tucker I think is a wildcard he shows that he has the talent he just need to be more consistent and stop dropping passes. Don’t forget that Tucker made one of the top catches in college football last year against USC.
by Rocky63215 on Oct 31, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tucker is a senior and has 5 games left as a Bear. While he has shown flashes of brilliance, he has also shown flashes of stupidity and, today, bad hands.
Also, Jones isn’t anywhere near the talent of Desean. Not even close.
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by BeastMode on Oct 31, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, all Cal fans should remember Desean is a once-in-a-generation athlete. I would argue that not even a single receiver in the college game today has the talent of Desean.
So this isn’t much of a slight to Marv Jones, who is becoming a very precise route-runner and has shown some great hands through big hits. I mean, some really great hands. Marv has really flashed this year, and in time, he’ll learn how to separate even better through his routes.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 1, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m very high on Marv. I do want to see some big YAC receptions. He has caught a few 9’s but I want him to take an underneath route to the house. GREAT hands, definitely.
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by BeastMode on Nov 1, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marvin Jones is far superior to Desean in the blocking department. Desean would try at times or half ass it, but he’s not even close to Jones in this respect.
by Cali49a on Nov 1, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great, he’s better at blocking. That doesn’t really refute the point that Desean is a superior talent.
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by BeastMode on Nov 1, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t trying to refute any points. Merely making a half assed point to add to your half assed claim that “Jones isn’t anywhere near the talent of Desean.”
by Cali49a on Nov 1, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Half assed? I appreciate the comment. Desean was one of the top 2 or 3 WR recruits in the country, he was one of the best 2 or 3 in college football and has made an immediate impact in the NFL. Sorry, my point isn’t half assed, right now, Marv Jones isn’t near Desean. Maybe he will show that, but until then, that’s a fact.
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by BeastMode on Nov 1, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that you explained your point, it isn’t as half assed anymore. Thank you for clarifying your original remarks.
by Cali49a on Nov 1, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly, he was using his whole ass.
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I politely disagree
While I would love for Tucker to prove me wrong (pretty pleeeeease?!?!) the fact is that his route running hasn’t been solid, his hands are average, and he hasn’t broken out like we all hoped would happen for him this year. The argument can be made that he hasn’t had many balls thrown his way (which may be due to an inability to separate from a DB) or that many of the balls thrown his way were uncatchable – that being said, sometimes a WR needs to bail out his QB and do what it takes to make plays. A good WR is going to get his, period. Aside from a few games, defenses had a helluva time locking down Desean because Desean had ELITE hands, speed, route running, and ability to get OPEN. Defenses are not nearly as focused on the passing game,let alone Tucker, and he has not capitalized on his chances as have Lagemann, Jones, and so on. I do think he has time to improve, however, as defenses figure out that our O is not just Jahvid and Vereen.
by totallyawesome on Nov 1, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, this post is crazy. Playcalling was spot freaking on.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2009 12:21 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Totes agree. I’m fully on the Ludwig bandwagon. I don’t love every playcall, but I do love the variety and imagination that he has mixed in with the more classic Tedford offense. If and when our O-line matures, we will put up big numbers on anyone, anywhere.
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by OskiMonsta on Nov 2, 2009 2:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m on the bandwagon, too. Yes, Oregon and USC were spectacular failures, but as the Bruins have demonstrated so well the last couple years under Norm Chow, even a genius offensive coordinator can only do so much when he’s dealt less than a stellar hand. Hydro is correct above: the only true star on this offense is Best. Maybe there’s potential from others in the supporting cast, but none of them have demonstrated it with any sort of consistency.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Nov 2, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Verran Tucker dropped a touchdown pass (I think you can probably call it that. I don’t think he was going to get caught from behind), Giorgio missed two reasonable FGs. Cal puts 33 points on the board if it variance is slightly more in its favor. As it stands, we won anyway. Works for me.
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by AERose on Nov 1, 2009 12:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This was like the Arizona game in 2006, only this time we didn’t have a pass tipped for an INT on the last drive.
by sycasey on Nov 3, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since the CGB is using the banhammer these days
Can we ban this guy too?
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Nov 1, 2009 12:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No. We’re not banning people for writing fanposts most people don’t agree with.
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by Avinash on Nov 1, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculing remains the order of the day though, yes? I mean, I’mma be doing that anyway, but I thought I should check.
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by AERose on Nov 1, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feel free to disagree to your heart’s content. Let’s just keep the discussion topic on football, that’s all.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Nov 1, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, we can’t ridicule? Goddamn it!
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have banned a long time ago.
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by carp on Nov 1, 2009 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s the way to go. But logical fanposts that are well thought out should be the standard, not knee-jerk sunday morning couch QBing based on reading just the box score and not taking game situations into context.
Seriously, I felt like I was reading Bear Insider for a moment.
by Cali49a on Nov 1, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree. I wish more logical commenters, like, say, Cali49a would write more logical fanposts to drown out the illogical ones.
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by Avinash on Nov 1, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
oh lord, not more Cali49a. Anything but more Cali49a!?!?! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad you think so highly of me! :D
by Cali49a on Nov 1, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are your thoughts on how lowly you think of me?
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GUYS RILEY FUMBLED. FIRE LUDWIG
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2009 1:09 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
GUYS GIORGIO MISSED 2 FIELD GOALS. FIRE LUDWIG.
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It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Nov 1, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
GUYS VERRAN TUCKER DROPPED A DEEP PASS. FIRE LUDWIG.
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It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Nov 1, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
GUYS THEY PUNTED BUT WE DIDN'T BLITZ TO GET THERE, FIRE GREGORY
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
GUYS DUDE POSTED RANT AGAINST LUDWIG ON INTERNET, FIRE LUDWIG!
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
AAALLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Nov 1, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So, basically, everybody’s post in this subthread is rec worthy except for mine?!?!?!?! I can’t even get to 1!
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AAALLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Nov 1, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prescribe two doses of Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da. Chill out, we’re bowl eligible and we (most of us) don’t live in Ohio!
by GBB4188 on Nov 1, 2009 1:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude, that's just wrong
You didn’t have to remind me that I live in Ohio.
Praise be to Tedford!
by Ohio Bear on Nov 1, 2009 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
Last week it was Gregory, this week Ludwig. I’m guessing you’ll call for Tedford to go next week? Then Sandy Barbour? When will Tosh Lupoi get the negative fanpost?
Maybe I’m just tired of Cal fans calling for coaches to be fired, but when people write stuff like that, do we even bother to think about how casually we’re hoping to negatively impact somebody else’s life? Never mind that I think Ludwig’s play=calling has generally been quite good and he’s shown a willingness to both change and experiment. I don’t like firing people. I don’t like talking about it when it’s necessary because it’s still sad. And I HATE talking about it when it’s not necessary because it makes Cal fans sound like ungrateful, bad fans.
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by norcalnick on Nov 1, 2009 1:25 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
BAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRR!!!!!
by paleodan on Nov 1, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nailed it!
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by royrules22 on Nov 1, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FIRE ROPE GUY.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
should be flagged. When Cal Football is decimated and Tedford is either gone to the pros or at UW, Rope Guy will keep the program together.
ROPE GUY!!!
by LeonPowe on Nov 1, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FIRE LEONPOWE.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can I get a Zounds up in this bitch?
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GOD'S WOUNDS!!
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by BearStage on Nov 1, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Land o’Goshen!
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 2, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwig, what has Ludwig done as offensive coordinator this year? Absolutely nothing! The offense has been garbage and the sad part is Ludwig has no clue how to use the weapons that Cal has on offense.
You realize that prior to today Cal had the number 1 scoring offense in the Pac-10.
Here are some other numbers to occupy yourself with: 14, 15, 9, 24, 24, 45, 27, 26. Those are points allowed by UCLA, Cal’s scoring total definitely stands out.
Here are Wazzou’s points allowed: 39, 38, 27, 27, 52, 27, 49, 40. Cal’s scoring total may not be tops, but it is still markedly better than average.
Looking at ASU: 3, 14, 20, 28, 14, 17, 33, 23 we still are above average in spite of two turnovers, two missed field goals, and several drive-killing dropped passes.
Basically, Cal’s offense is good, and your primary reason for criticizing Ludwig stems from his under-utilization of players. This player should have more touches, that player should have more touches, EVERY player should have more touches. I don’t think you realize not everyone can touch the ball on the same play. An extra touch for Tucker means another play Vereen or Jones doesn’t touch the ball.
by chowder on Nov 1, 2009 7:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Touches for everyone!!!
If the Bears’ offense was successful in sustaining longer drives, they would run more plays and everyone could get more touches without them having to come at the “expense” of anyone.
by atomsareenough on Nov 1, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s time we harness our inner berzerkely and invent a new offensive scheme where the ball is carried by a tandum of 3 players at once. UNSTOPPABLE!
by GBB4188 on Nov 1, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The growing gulf between the haves and the have nots of the football holders in college sports continues to grow. No longer should merely 1 player be allowed to hold the pig orb! All must share!
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, Chowder. Quit using facts to make your arguments. It’s unfair!!!!
by Cali49a on Nov 1, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Bears will be very fortunate if they can win out. The good: they get ’zona and OSU at home. The bad: those games (as well as the ’furd game…heck even UDUB) are iffy.
ASU’s not a very good team. Cal should have put them away, as that’s what good teams do. What we’ve learned is that they’re not really a good team. Sure a win is a win, but this game had the makings of a blowout.
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by carp on Nov 1, 2009 7:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t think you’re saying anything new here. Our team doesn’t win on raw, outright talent alone in the Pac-10 anymore.
Even Riley said in postgame quotes that if felt good to ‘win ugly’… which is what they did — drops on easy third downs, horrible penalties, etc. if we want to win out, we can’t have another ugly game like that again.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 1, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is ASU nota very good team? Is it their unbelievably good rush D? Or is it their merely very good pass D? Which part of that screams “We’re WAZZU 2!” to you?
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rushing and passing offenses, pass defense, and general sloppiness (penalties).
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by carp on Nov 1, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Their pass D seemed fairly strong to me. From the linked post:
TwistNHook: Let’s take a look at their pass D.
Situation G Att Comp Pct. Yards Int TD Rating Long 1st 15+ 25+
All Plays 7 204 110 53.9 1376 13 8 110.77 99 55 36 12
1st Half 7 113 59 52.2 710 8 4 102.51 56 32 18 7
2nd Half/OT 7 91 51 56.0 666 5 4 121.04 99 23 18 5
1st Quarter 7 49 28 57.1 328 4 2 110.51 56 15 7 2
2nd Quarter 7 64 31 48.4 382 4 2 96.39 41 17 11 5
3rd Quarter 7 47 26 55.3 269 2 1 101.90 31 10 7 1
4th Quarter 7 44 25 56.8 397 3 3 141.47 99 13 11 4
This looks pretty strong here. I mean 110 QB rating against. 54% completion against. Although, again, oddly, the numbers are dragged down by 1 incredibly odd quarter. Here, it is the 2nd quarter where the QB rating of 96 and completion % of 48.4 are well below the norms for the other 3 quarters. What are they doing in the second quarter that is so successful?
They faced much more attempts in the second quarter. Why could this be? It doesn’t make any sense.
Their worst QB rating against is in the 4th quarter, which might stem from situations where they were playing prevent D and giving up large amounts of yards. Looking at this, it appears ASU has a very solid pass D, but that it might not be quite as good as you think based off of an odd quarter. Yet another odd quarter.
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let’s refresh this discussion after ASU’s played USC, Oregon and Arizona.
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by carp on Nov 1, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
carp, I appreciate the fact that your perfect perception of everything ASU says that they are a shitty team we should have crushed by 40 TDs, but all we have to go off of is stats. That’s all we really have. Stats. I just try to look at the numbers. Have they played USC, Oregon, and Arizona? No.
But based on what we have to go off of, ASU ain’t half bad. That’s all I know.
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate your statistical analyses, which is why I’d like to refresh our ASU pass defense discussion at the end of the season. ASU has a rather impressive front seven. I’m glad Burfict didn’t go to USC.
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by carp on Nov 2, 2009 7:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ASU might not be that great. Neither are we. Let’s learn to live with that.
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by Avinash on Nov 1, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Never Forget
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2009/10/31/1109386/californias-offensive-playcalling#23680779
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by carp on Nov 2, 2009 7:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to Rocky’s in depth expose “THE CAL CATERER MUST BE CASTRATED TO ENSURE HE HAS NO FURTHER SPAWN THAT MIGHT ATTEMPT TO FEED SUCH DISASTROUS EGGS TO OUR TEAM!”
Or his next paean to delightful unreasonableness “TO ERR IS HUMAN, TO FORGIVE RUNNING BACKS COACH RON GOULD WOULD BE THE STUPIDEST FUCKING IDEA EVER. HE KNOWS WHAT HE DID! HE KNOWS WHAT HE DID!”
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 7:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, PS Isnt ASU’s D like the greatest ever? 23 (and essentially 30) points against them, on the road, seems good to me.
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 7:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
by carp on Nov 1, 2009 7:12 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Great pic. Thanks!
Praise be to Tedford!
by Ohio Bear on Nov 1, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
caption contest

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by carp on Nov 1, 2009 7:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PENIS GOES WHERE?!?!??!
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bowl eligible, bitch!
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by Ohio Bear on Nov 1, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“This Pic Is Too Normal To Do A Caption Contest.”
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
FIRE GREGORY!!!
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by norcalnick on Nov 1, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This photo is so disturbingly safe for work. What happened to you carp? This baby has really changed you!
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“TYSON ALUALU SACKS THE QUARTERBACK THAT PLAYS FOR ARIZONA STATE”
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god you're not Follet and I'm not Carpenter
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Nov 1, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO, I'M TEH PITCHER!
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by carp on Nov 1, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NOT THE DISEMBODIED FOUR FINGERS OF DOOM??!!!? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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by BearStage on Nov 1, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol wut.
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by carp on Nov 1, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a reference to my my Penis Goes Where??!?! line.
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
30 seconds left on the goal line
where was Best when we had 2nd and goal? the wild cat woks with vereene but jahvid should of got a toos of right up the middle. he could of punched one in for sure. Go win Bears and were going Beaver huntting next week!!!
by Tambo45 on Nov 1, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought about that too, but he appeared gimpy after his run to open the final drive. I doubt he is severely hurt, but it might have been enough to keep him out on the final plays.
by chowder on Nov 1, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is indeed that case. Best could have played if needed, but between our passing offense and Vereen, he wasn’t needed.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Nov 1, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere that he had injured his ankle on the first play of the last drive and was being held back for precautionary purposes.
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Lynch
Play on two badly sprained ankles?
by Rocky63215 on Nov 1, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I fail to see the relevance. Because, at one point, a player played with an injury, thus all players who follow with potentially similar injuries should play through them?
Jack Youngblood has fucked us all.
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by TwistNHook on Nov 1, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Cal Football
I understand some of the frustrations mentioned by the original poster. Why did we underutilize Best in key situations? Why did Vereen get so few carries? Why is Jones getting fewer balls thrown his way and finally, why aren’t more Cal fans outraged at this victory (although if you surf the interwebs, you’ll find, like, a bajillion). Some thoughts:
1. As a team, we averaged a poor 1.8 yards per carry. Best only averaged 3.5 YPC and clearly was not going to see much daylight against a “STOP DA RUN RAWR!” defense. So what do you do this in situation? You adapt and find other ways to get your playmakers (Best and Vereen) the ball in space where they can do some damage. Case in point – Best had a total of 63 yards on 18 carries VS. 61 yards on 7 receptions. So, given the fact that Best got slightly hurt toward the end of the game, we tried to get the ball to Best about 25 times. Again, I think Ludwig actually did a GOOD job at trying to utilize Best as best he could.
2. Vereen not getting enough carries, in my opinion, is due to a number of factors. #1 – his running style, while somewhat different from Jahvid’s, is not RADICALLY different. If we had Toby Gerhart on our roster, I could understand your comment but clearly, our running offense was not going to be dramatically different with either back in. I think you saw Vereen with fewer carries because in general, Ludwig understood that we weren’t going to win this game with runs up the middle. Not with our personnel. Not with Vontaze on the other side. Which brings me to #2 – in general, we ran fewer up-the-middle plays. And that’s a good thing. Without a bruiser like Gerhart, and without the ability for our O-line to get to the second level of defenders, no way that Best and Vereen do what they can normally do. But that’s not to say we didn’t try to get him involved – 2 catches for 20 yards, the wildbear plays, etc. We tried different ways to get Vereen involved, and I again believe Ludwig does a good job at getting him involved to a point (minus the super ultra controversial wildbear TD pass that wasn’t!)
3. If I’m the DC for any team facing Cal, outside of Best and Vereen, I’m focusing on Jones and taking my chances with the other Cal WR’s. That’s oversimplifying it, but that’s prolly not too far from the mark. What I love is when a QB can distribute the ball to a number of receivers (a la the dream team of Hawkins, Desean and Jordan). That way, defenses have to respect our other receivers (i.e. Tucker, Boateng, Lagemann, etc.,) which takes some heat off of Jones as well. And he wasn’t exactly ignored. Riley hooked up with Jones 4 times – this represents only 10% of his pass attempts, but isn’t a reason to worry as Riley was able to get the ball to the other WRs as well. Riley, btw, completed over 60% of his pass attempts for 350+ yards, 2 TD’s and no picks to a WHOLE LOT of different receivers. That’s progress.
4. Lastly, one thing that I didn’t like about this game was the pedestrian EXECUTION of many plays. Too many penalties, too many bad tackles, and dropped passes than you can shake a claw at. Riley fumbling? Ugh. Ross dropping that one pass? Kill me now! Tavecchio missing two fairly simple field goals? AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! But that’s not playcalling, and, in my opinion, is only partly coaching. Sometimes, you don’t always play a perfect game. Sometimes, an away crowd is really loud…other times you just have a bad hair day or plain ol’ messed up. But there a bajillion reasons why a team succeeds or fails on the field – keying in on one man’s playcalling is harsh. Did Ludwig make some controversial calls? Absolutely – you can interrogate him all day long about the WildBear pass or the designed Riley runs. But do I believe that the game plan was set up in such a way to exploit the ASU defense and put us in a good, no GREAT, position to win? Absolutely. Ludwig has done a good job of being our offensive coordinator by getting the ball to our playmakers, making Riley and the passing game relevant, and by calling some interesting new plays I’d never see us run before. Is there room for improvement? Yes. But I’m not calling for his head any time soon.
by totallyawesome on Nov 1, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
This is a great post man
I encourage you to copy and paste it as a fanpost, so more people can see it!
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by Avinash on Nov 1, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you saw Vereen with fewer carries because in general, Ludwig understood that we weren’t going to win this game with runs up the middle. Not with our personnel. Not with Vontaze on the other side. Which brings me to #2 – in general, we ran fewer up-the-middle plays. And that’s a good thing.
As to # 2, I haven’t rewatched the game or broken down any film, but it seemed like we ran Best on the stretch play to the outside more than usual. Those plays were prolly our most productive “conventional” (read: not wildbear) running plays all afternoon.
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by Ohio Bear on Nov 1, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should just run the Wishbone. That’ll catch these fuckers off guard!
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 1, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How does that relate to the A-11?
dboneisloose
by HolmoePhobe on Nov 1, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
USC playbook circa 1983. Student body right.
by LeonPowe on Nov 1, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TRIPLE REVERSES … EVERY PLAY!!!
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by HydroTech on Nov 1, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EVERYBODY GO DEEP
Fuck it, I’m going long.
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by LeonPowe on Nov 1, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That KSK post was hilarious. I would paste it here but people would get all offended and Twist will start shrieking at me.
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by HolmoePhobe on Nov 2, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It has profanity and uses homophobic slurs.
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by HolmoePhobe on Nov 2, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Larry Johnson’s Twitter page?
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by BearStage on Nov 2, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t just link to it?
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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude, gay.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 2, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, was calling for more ‘bone in the playbook a couple of weeks ago. I think they’d be unstoppable if they had the OT’s for this.
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by carp on Nov 2, 2009 7:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You would want more ’bone, you sexy beast.
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by Thoroughbred on Nov 2, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, was calling for more ‘bone
OMG THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID ROFLOMGBBQ!!!
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by BearStage on Nov 2, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Half of me believes Rocky63215 is a real Cal fan who happens to be above-average in irrationality. I’ll try to stay positive and appreciate his passion for his team, as misguided as I might believe it to be.
The other half of me believes that Rocky63215 was created by the mods as the perfect anti-CGB foil, to drive up page counts for some nefarious purpose yet to be revealed. Have you ever seen TwistNHook and Rocky63215 posting a comment at the same time in the same thread?
I rest my case.
by sec119 on Nov 2, 2009 4:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is this like the end of Fight Club? Am I Rocky63215?
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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His name is Jahvid Worst…
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by Swamphunter on Nov 3, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“I haven’t been fucked like that since grade school”
by LeonPowe on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
LEONPOWE HASN'T BEEN FUCKED LIKE THAT SINCE GRADE SCHOOL. FIRE LUDWIG.
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It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Nov 3, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what was it replying to?
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by BearStage on Nov 4, 2009 2:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
owaitn/m
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