Vote for your CGB Top-25 for Week 6!
by royrules22 on Oct 11, 2009 4:51 PM PDT
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You know the drill: Go here and vote for the top 25 teams for week 5.
The directions are listed on the voting page and it should be simple enough. Please let me know if you encounter any troubles. The results will be posted either on Tuesday or Wednesday. Blah blah blah blah
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My College Football Top 25 Poll
- Florida
- Alabama
- Texas
- Virginia Tech
- Ohio State
- Louisiana State
- Southern California
- Boise State
- Miami (FL)
- Oregon
- Texas Christian
- Iowa
- Oklahoma State
- Cincinnati
- Oklahoma
- Penn State
- Nebraska
- Kansas
- Brigham Young
- Georgia Tech
- South Florida
- South Carolina
- Utah
- Houston
- Mississippi
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions
Why is Ohio State ahead of USC
Why is Houston still ranked. Why is Ole Miss in the top 25 after looking absolutely awful against their two legit opponents.
Mostly that first one though.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Reasoning
Ohio State is ahead of USC because two weeks ago, I had Ohio State five spots ahead of USC. I moved Ohio State up a spot because it opened up and USC up five spots. Ohio State just ended up one spot ahead of USC. LSU’s loss moved them down and so I moved up Virginia Tech one spot and Ohio State one spot.
Mississippi is still ranked, yes. I had them 17th in my poll last week and so I dropped them down eight spots. I would have ranked Arizona, but they blew it late. I really had no choice and went with Mississippi barely over Notre Dame.
Houston is back. I had three new teams enter: South Carolina, Utah and Houston. I had to put Houston back. Who else was I going to rank? I was running out of teams. I chose Houston narrowly over Notre Dame, Pittsburgh and West Virginia.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Ohio State is ahead of USC because two weeks ago, I had Ohio State five spots ahead of USC
Why was Ohio State FIVE spots ahead of USC two weeks after they lost to them?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
USC and Ohio State
USC lost to Washington and Ohio State didn’t lose that week.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You seem to be emphasizing only the current week results rather than looking at the entire season.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
USC
You don’t think I should have dropped them after losing to Washington? Am I supposed to drop Ohio State, too, because USC beat them and USC lost when Ohio State didn’t lose?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I would've done
Ohio State’s loss to USC looks worse. You might disagree though.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Dropping Teams
I’m not dropping Ohio State a certain number of spots for not losing just because USC lost.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Dropping Ohio State
I would have had to drop Ohio State six spots so that USC would have been higher than them. It’s not fair to drop Ohio State six spots after a win just because USC lost to Washington to make them drop down even if USC did beat Ohio State.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Why can’t you fix it now?
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
by rollonubears on Oct 11, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
"Fix" What?
You want me to drop Ohio State after a win to “fix” something?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhh yes? The fact that Ohio State is ranked above a team they lost to?
And how is OSU higher than LSU? Because they lost to a worse team? Because they have played an even crappier schedule?
I think we should just give up on your poll and stop critiquing it.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
by rollonubears on Oct 11, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
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I dropped them two spots after losing to the top team in the country. Virginia Tech and Ohio State each moved up one.
I already explained how Ohio State ended up higher than USC.
And how is OSU higher than LSU?
You act like my poll is the only one with that.
I think we should just give up on your poll and stop critiquing it.
You should stop critiquing and complaining about my poll when you have three teams in your poll.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Is not making a poll because I know I would not be able to get it perfect any worse than submitting a poll with many, many flaws?
I am starting to think that you are a crappy Big Ten coach that Jim Tressel is paying to slightly alter the coaches poll.
All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!
by rollonubears on Oct 11, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Big Ten Coach
Yeah, I’m one of the coaches on the Indiana staff. Just because we lost 47-7 to Virginia doesn’t mean we’re not improving, though.
Ohio State is going to win the national title!
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Not making a poll and then presuming to criticize others for the attempt is worse than making one.
It’s a fun process that forces you to look at teams you might not pay attention to otherwise.
I am a horrible bruin-bear crossbreed.
Not making a poll and then presuming to criticize others for the attempt is worse than making one.
Oh God you’re making top 25 lists not sacred writ. Get over it.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
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My biggest problem is your process for creating your poll. It basically ignores the fact that every week we not only learn new things about a team, but about their opponents as well. The whole “dropping and moving up based on what they did this week” mentality is a shitty way to make polls and ruins it. Every week you have to evaluate each team and their opponents – maybe you end up with the same poll, that’s fine, whatever, but the whole “Ohio State won so I can’t drop them” concept is terrible. What if Ohio State’s opponents (read: USC) don’t look the same now as they did before? You’re basically ignoring that. All that matters in your process is what you thought of a team previously, and then what they did in the current week.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Winning
If you win, for the most part, I don’t really have a good reason for dropping you. I’m not ignoring anything. You guys just don’t like a poll and jump all over it because it’s not yours.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 13, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I might have argued with your poll in past weeks, but this week I’m strictly arguing against your methodology. It’s things like this:
It’s hard to drop a team that was ranked around ninth in everyone’s poll after losing just one game.
If they’re ranked ninth and they lose, they probably don’t deserve to drop more than 16 spots.
Ohio State is ahead of USC because two weeks ago, I had Ohio State five spots ahead of USC. I moved Ohio State up a spot because it opened up and USC up five spots. Ohio State just ended up one spot ahead of USC. LSU’s loss moved them down and so I moved up Virginia Tech one spot and Ohio State one spot.
Am I supposed to drop Ohio State, too, because USC beat them and USC lost when Ohio State didn’t lose?
It’s statements like that that cause me to question the methodology. I’m not going to get into whether those specific teams deserve to be ranked wherever, but it’s how much your poll reflects previous weeks polls for the simple fact that that’s where you ranked teams previously. Whether or not Ok St deserves to be ranked at a certain spot is besides the point – it’s the fact that you think, because they were ranked highly in the preseason, that somehow they can only drop so far. It’s because Ohio St is over USC simply because they were higher than USC two weeks ago. It’s the fact that your whole system is built on moving teams up or down based on whether they win that week – which discounts all new knowledge gained on what happened in previous weeks.
Yes, you are supposed to drop Ohio St, too. Well, maybe not drop them in the polls, but you have to at least acknowledge if USC’s stock takes a hit from losing, then, seeing as how USC beat Ohio St, that must cause Ohio St’s stock to take a hit, too. How much should you penalize Ohio St for it? I don’t know nor do I care to get into that, I am simply pointing out things your methodology doesn’t acknowledge.
Your arguments aren’t real justifications, that have to do with what we learn on the field. Maybe your rankings do take a lot of reasonable stuff into account, that’s fine, just use those arguments to justify your rankings. We start the season not knowing much about any teams, and every week we learn a lot more. The rankings should reflect all the new knowledge we gain, rather than reflecting what we thought we knew in the past.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Well, that first comment was taken out of the context. When I said that it was hard to drop a team, I meant that it was hard to drop a team from the rankings entirely if they’re ranked ninth and they lose one game. The second comment is also taken out of context since it’s basically attached to the first comment. If you’re ranked ninth and you lose, should you drop 16 spots? I don’t think so and so that’s why I didn’t do it to Oklahoma State. My third comment is something that other people have used, so I’m assuming that people don’t get it. I’m tired of explaining it because it’s quite long. Either you get what I’m saying by now or you don’t. The fourth comment is quite simple. USC lost to Washington, so I’m supposed to drop Ohio State to make them lower than USC? No, I didn’t see a reason to do that. That’s what the whole thing was about. “How is Ohio State higher than USC?”
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 13, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, right now for me it’s not about the specific examples. I don’t much care that you have Ohio State over USC. I’ve read your responses and I just see a lack of quality justification in them. USC losing has to count negatively in some way for Ohio St. Does that mean Ohio St has to be behind them? Not necessarily. Nor does it necesasrily mean Ohio St has to drop in the rankings. But it does have to be acknowledged as making Ohio St look less good in some amount. Losing to an undefeated USC team, simply put, reflects better on Ohio State than losing to a USC team that couldn’t even beat UW.
If you’re ranked ninth and you lose, should you drop 16 spots? I don’t think so and so that’s why I didn’t do it to Oklahoma State
Again, I’m just not seeing any justification here. Did Oklahoma St deserve to drop 16 spots? I don’t know, I’m sure there’s a case they didn’t. The problem I see is you aren’t making that case. The only justification you’re giving is the fact that they were ranked #9 before. Did they deserve that ranking? What if the more we learned, not only about them but also their opponents, the less good they looked? Look at a team like Clemson last year – as the season went on, we learned they just flat out weren’t very good. You make it sound like there should be limits on how far a team can drop, which is ridiculous. If you want to look at their resume and argue they’re still a Top 15 or Top 20 team or whatever, go ahead, all I’m asking is you make the case based on what they’ve accomplished, not prior rankings that were less informed than we are in the present.
Using previous rankings is not justification. Frankly, it’s BS. I’m sure there are other reasonable ways of explaining your voting patterns – you don’t have to explain yourself to us if you don’t want to, obviously, all I’m asking is if you do decide to explain it, stop with the BS and give us some real, thoughtful analysis.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
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You make it sound like there should be limits on how far a team can drop, which is ridiculous.
That’s obviously not what I’m implying. I’m saying that the odds of you being completely out of the poll a week after being considered the ninth-best team in the nation are low.
[…] stop with the BS and give us some real, thoughtful analysis.
What thoughtful analysis do you want? Oklahoma State still being ranked? Ohio State being ranked ahead of USC?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 13, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, to be honest I don’t really see anything in your poll I think is really out of whack. I’d just like to hear you comment a bit on what you think of Ohio St’s and Ok St’s resume so far – what do you see that makes them the #5 and #13 teams? I came into the convo late so I can see how you’d take my comments as a shot at your poll, but it wasn’t really intended that way – it was more intended to try to get the discussion to what the teams have accomplished…though it ended up being more hostile than I meant it to be…
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ohio State and Oklahoma State
Well, Ohio State was a team that I rated high before they lost to USC. Losing to USC in a close game doesn’t hurt them much in my opinion and they’ve rolled through everyone in their path since. I think they’re a better team because of that loss to USC. They’ve put it behind them and kept it going with blowouts over teams they should blow out. They’re taking care of business right now.
As for Oklahoma State, they did have that slip up against Houston. They handled Rice and decimated Grambling State, but had to survive a close one against Texas A&M. Pretty much everyone that’s ranked has had a close call this year or even a loss. I mean, look at Iowa. Sure, they haven’t lost, but they come really close every Saturday. They’ve defended the run pretty well and if they can make some plays in the secondary, I think they’re definitely capable of beating Texas or at least Oklahoma.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 14, 2009 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok, then my only question left is, if those two teams were ranked in the 20’s before the season started instead of #6 and #9 (AP), and everything else was the same, would you have them ranked in the same place right now?
by Missing Barry on Oct 14, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Rankings
Do you mean would Ohio State and Oklahoma State still be ranked 21st and 24th if they started out 21st and 24th?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 14, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Rankings
Do you mean would Ohio State and Oklahoma State still be ranked 21st and 24th if they started out 21st and 24th?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 14, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, I’d imagine you and everyone else would have moved them up some amount by now, I’m just asking if you think you’d have them ranked much lower compared to where you ranked them now if they had started off much lower in the preseason poll.
by Missing Barry on Oct 14, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
1 Alabama
2 Florida
3 Texas
4 Cincinnati
5 Virginia Tech
6 USC
7 Ohio State
8 Boise State
9 Miami
10 Oregon
11 LSU
12 TCU
13 Iowa
14 Nebraska
15 Georgia Tech
16 Penn State
17 BYU
18 South Florida
19 Oklahoma State
20 South Carolina
21 Notre Dame
22 West Virginia
23 Pittsburgh
24 Kansas
25 Central Michigan
I really feel like a lot of these teams are in here for lack of a better option. Overall I am unimpressed with the quality of play 6 weeks into the season.
Alabama and Iowa are the first bowl-eligible teams, fyi.
I am a horrible bruin-bear crossbreed.
I guess I'll post mine
I haven’t submitted mine yet. Any suggestions?
1 Alabama
2 Texas
3 Florida
4 Virginia Tech
5 Southern California
6 Iowa
7 Cincinnati
8 Miami (Fla.)
9 Boise State
10 Ohio State
11 Oregon
12 TCU
13 Oklahoma
14 LSU
15 Penn State
16 Nebraska
17 South Florida
18 Kansas
19 Brigham Young
20 Georgia Tech
21 West Virginia
22 Pittsburg
23 Oklahoma State
24 Arkansas
25 Central Michigan
The bottom 10 is a fuck-up
In other words, Go Bears!
Oklahoma State
I think they’re too low.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
They haven't really beat anyone
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
South Florida
They haven’t beaten anyone, but they’re ranked 17th.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Florida State
The Seminoles are 2-4, man.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Three of those losses are to Miami, Georgia Tech and South Florida, who are ranked 9, 15, and 18 in your poll. I’d say they’re better than their record.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Florida State
Yeah, and they struggled with Jacksonville State and Boston College. I don’t think beating Florida State registers as a quality win right now.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus they smashed BYU, who is 19th in your poll.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a good argument to not rank South Florida.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
A Problem
Who else are you going to rank, then? It’s hard. South Florida has been pretty dominant against everyone they’ve played, so I guess that gets them in.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 12, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That's is the problem
There’s no one worthy of spots 20-25. Just a bunch of teams that maybe good.
You have South Florida, Kansas, Central Michigan, Idaho (don’t look they’re 5-1), etc. In fact I should rank Idaho: W @ NMSU, @Northern Illinois, @SJSU, SDSU, Colorado St, and L @ UW
In other words, Go Bears!
My Poll
After Georgia Tech at 20, I pretty much struggled with the rest.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 12, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Barely kept their head above water in a shootout against Texas A&M, lost it’s star receiver to eligibility issues. They’ve barely any right to be ranked at all.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Oklahoma State
It’s hard to drop a team that was ranked around ninth in everyone’s poll after losing just one game. With that said, Oklahoma State probably fell to around 19 or something. After that, with teams ahead of them losing, they kind of have been moving up little by little or just staying around 15 after moving up. Barely winning and losing their star player to eligibility issues doesn’t mean they deserve to be knocked off.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 12, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, here’s the thing: no, they haven’t done much to deserve being dropped, but then again, did they deserve to be ranked in the first place? Part of the reason I start with a fresh ballot every week is so that I can ignore what I thought I knew the previous week. The only thing I ask is, ‘where do teams deserve to be now?’
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
It’s hard to drop a team that was ranked around ninth in everyone’s poll after losing just one game.
No it isn’t, you just have to accept that “everyone” was wrong.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
A Team Ranked Ninth
If they’re ranked ninth and they lose, they probably don’t deserve to drop more than 16 spots.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 12, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
They do if they were never that good to begin with. You seem to be under the entirely mistaken impression that preseason rankings have some merit to them. They don’t.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
A team’s ranking prior to events is utterly irrelevant. Just because Wilner and 39 other media members and/or coaches who get to watch at most 4 games think a team is good has absolutely nothing to do with a team actually being good.
RRS, you make the same arguments in each of these poll threads each week, but you very rarely talk about football reasons for ranking a team. You talk about not being allowed to move teams because of one week, or because they started out at a certain place. You really need to ignore what happened in past polls because past polls are irrelevant.
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[…] you very rarely talk about football reasons for ranking a team.
I am not the only one. If I explained why I had every team where I had them, we’d be here all day.
You talk about not being allowed to move teams because of one week, or because they started out at a certain place.
That’s not what I’m saying. I move teams. I just don’t move teams as radically. I’ve entered new teams into my poll and moved teams out just like everyone else.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 12, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not the only one.
well, yes, you’re not the only person who doesn’t go in depth into football reasons…but you’re the only one who says things like this:
Ohio State is ahead of USC because two weeks ago, I had Ohio State five spots ahead of USC.
That’s not what I’m saying.
Well, the reason you get lots of argument over your poll is because that is what you say (or, more accurately, type) When people ask you why a team is ranked above or below a certain team, an answer regarding who they beat/got beaten by and how is the response people expect, even if it’s something they disagree with. That’s what the poll is about. I don’t care where you ranked a team last week – I care what evidence you’re using in your rankings this week
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You took that out of context and that’s total bullshit. Speaking of bullshit, me being the “only person who doesn’t go in depth” is also total bullshit.
Going on, if that’s the case, USC shouldn’t be ranked this week. They had a bye last week. If people want a clean slate every week, then that would make sense, right? If Oklahoma State hasn’t beaten anybody and they don’t deserve to be ranked, the same can be said for Penn State. Why do we all rank Penn State, then?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 12, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa, let’s all calm down here folks. Let’s let the force of your arguments carry the day.
As it is, I don’t think royrules22 imposed any conditions on your criteria for choosing your Top 25 teams. Justify your choices as you see fit.
I’d probably put Penn State and Oklahoma State in the same grab-bag of teams that might be good, but have yet to prove it.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
me being the "only person who doesn’t go in depth"
you’re not the only person who doesn’t go in depth
Emphasis on not. I think you misread what I said. What I said is that none of us really go into depth.
Going on, if that’s the case, USC shouldn’t be ranked this week. They had a bye last week. If people want a clean slate every week, then that would make sense, right?
A clean slate, in which you erase all assumptions because you have another week of data, is very different than making a poll based only on the last week, which is what not ranking USC would indicate.
I don’t have a problem with your ranking really. I disagree, but that’s OK. I just have a problem with how you justify them. When somebody asks you why you have team X ahead of team Y, I’d prefer that you give a reason other than their poll position a week ago.
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USC and Ohio State
USC used to be higher than Ohio State in my poll, but USC lost to Washington. That made them fall hard in my poll. Ohio State hasn’t lost since and I didn’t drop them that far since they lost to a team that was ranked pretty high. I can post every single poll from week to week.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 12, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
So, to rephrase your example, you initially thought USC was better than Ohio St., but USC’s loss to Washington and Ohio St.’s performance after the USC game has influenced you to the opinion that Ohio St. is a better team? Would that be accurate?
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Basically
That’s basically it, really.
USC beat Ohio State by a field goal. I had USC higher than Ohio State. USC lost to Washington and Ohio State has looked pretty good since. Ohio State has dominated everyone since. They pretty much killed Wisconsin and Wisconsin was undefeated.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 12, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
They didn’t really kill Wisky though. The Buckeyes offense couldn’t move the ball. The Badgers outgained them 2 to 1 in yards and had nearly 3 times as many first downs. Ohio State had a kickoff return and two pick sixes, which was like a 21-28 point swing.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 12, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Kickoff Returns and Interceptions
They definitely count.
Plus, there weren’t any garbage points and so the final score is telling.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 12, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
USC beat Ohio State by a field goal.
You left out the part where it was in The Horseshoe….
Home field is a big factor, it should be noted that USC beat Ohio St on the road, that’s a big deal.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Home Field
Yeah, I know where the game was played. It was taken into account.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 13, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Please guys enough with arguing. And vote anyway you like. Hence the funny/stupid awards
In other words, Go Bears!
RR, although it got a little heated, the discourse seems fairly productive. It’s nice to have people arguing about polling methodologies, as long as they remain respectful.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 13, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok updated:
1 Alabama
2 Texas
3 Florida
4 Virginia Tech
5 Southern California
6 Iowa
7 Cincinnati
8 Miami (Fla.)
9 Boise State
10 Ohio State
11 Oregon
12 TCU
13 Oklahoma
14 LSU
15 Penn State
16 Nebraska
17 Kansas
18 Brigham Young
19 Georgia Tech
20 West Virginia
21 Pittsburg
22 South Florida
23 Oklahoma State
24 Arkansas
25 Idaho
In other words, Go Bears!
IDAHO?
The teams they’ve beaten are a combined 11-15. They haven’t even played tough mid-majors!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 12, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
From the wikipedia page for Idaho HC Robb Akey:
Hoping to create a bowl-minded team, Coach Akey gathered the 2009 team at his house and fed them steak, served in bowls.
I’m sold. (Seriously I love plucky underdogs and the Vandals are at that. Fair play.)
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
1 Alabama
2 Florida
3 Virginia Tech
4 Texas
5 Cincinnati
6 Miami (Fla.)
7 Ohio State
8 Southern California
9 Oregon
10 Iowa
11 Penn State
12 LSU
13 TCU
14 Kansas
15 Oklahoma
16 Boise State
17 South Florida
18 Nebraska
19 Oklahoma State
20 Brigham Young
21 Georgia
22 Pittsburgh
23 Notre Dame
24 South Carolina
25 Georgia Tech
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
oops, I almost forgot to remove Georgia, but removed them just before I submitted my ballot
21 Pittsburgh
22 Notre Dame
23 South Carolina
24 Georgia Tech
25 Utah
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
by Berkelium97 on Oct 11, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If you submit a new ballot it overwrites the old one, I believe. For future reference.
I am a horrible bruin-bear crossbreed.
I only submitted one. I posted the comment, realized my error, then removed them before I submitted the ballot..
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 11, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
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You have Ohio State ahead of USC and Ohio State ahead of LSU. No one says anything to you about it, but when I do it, it’s all bad.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 11, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I hadn’t read it yet. Don’t worry, I will get to him.
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by rollonubears on Oct 11, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Flagged. Berkelium is a member of the Follettariat and above reproach.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 11, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for acknowledging my authoritah
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 11, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe it’s because you’re the first to post.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
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Really? OSU is one ahead of USC? Really?
And there must be something about LSU you really don’t like.
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by rollonubears on Oct 11, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I meant to put USC one ahead of OSU. Either way, they’re about equal.
LSU’s offense sucks. They have a solid defense, but their offense is going to cost them another game or two.
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 11, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Either way, they’re about equal.
USC beat them on the road while taking the best shot that the Shoe could give. While they may be equal in Columbus, they are not equal in a neutral location and certainly not in the Coliseum.
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by rollonubears on Oct 11, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Ehh, Ohio St really gave that one away (nice gameplan, Tressel). USC hasn’t exactly been impressive since then (except against Cal). It’s not that I don’t think USC can be a great team, though. If they win out, I will be an avid supporter of their receipt of an invitation to the national championship game.
Still, it’s one spot in the sixth week. Whether or not I switch them makes no real difference, which explains why I had USC one ahead of tOSU last week. When USC beats ND this week, they’ll probably pass tOSU again.
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 12, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
USC hasn’t exactly been impressive since then (except against Cal).
I mean, they were missing their starting QB and best player (Mays) in the game they lost (and Corp played terribly), then won the next two Pac-10 games by a combined score of 57-9. Not sure where the not impressive comes into play…
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Suggestion that will never happen: it should be a top 20 (for all of CFB, not just Royrules). This top 25 thing isn’t working. The numbers 21-25 teams included in the comments here:
21South Florida 22 South Carolina 23Utah 24Houston 25Mississippi
21 Notre Dame 22 West Virginia 23 Pittsburgh 24 Kansas 25 Central Michigan
21 West Virginia 22 Pittsburg 23 Oklahoma State 24 Arkansas 25 Central Michigan
21 Pittsburgh 22 Notre Dame 23 South Carolina 24 Georgia Tech 25 Utah
Blehhh. Do any of those teams deserve a number in front of their names?
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I think CFB overall is in a down year. Last year there were teams deserving numbers up into the 30s I think. Nobody has really stepped up this year.
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I think people are overestimating how clear the last 5 spots are in a usual year. My feeling is this is pretty normal and the last 5 spots are always vague, especially early the season. I do think there’s a little more parity to CFB now, though, so teams 20-30 will probably have a little bit less impressive resumes. The whole doing everything to avoid playing a real important trend in CFB is also making it hard to figure out who deserves a ranking. So I guess I don’t really think it’s a down year overall, necessarily.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I think people are overestimating how clear the last 5 spots are in a usual year. My feeling is this is pretty normal and the last 5 spots are always vague, especially early in the season. I do think there’s a little more parity to CFB now, though, so teams 20-30 will probably have a little bit less impressive resumes. The whole doing everything to avoid playing a real important opponent trend in CFB is also making it hard to figure out who deserves a ranking. So I guess I don’t really think it’s a down year overall, necessarily.
Ugh, I need to spellcheck.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d argue that of all of the above, Kansas is most deserving of being ranked (which is why I have them at 14). Besides that, I would have no problem leaving the rest out of the rankings. But hey, it’s tough to fill in those final five spots. I was expecting to have a few Pac-10 teams between 20 and 25, but they keep beating each other up and knocking one another out of the rankings.
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 11, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
May I interest you in a Mumme Poll?
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Since I laugh at your puny hoo-man top 25s,
here’s my Mumme Poll ballot.
Top Five:
Florida
Alabama
Texas
Virginia Tech
USC
Next Seven:
Cincinnati
Miami
Ohio State
Iowa
Oregon
Nebraska
Boise State
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
I like the Mumme poll idea
Since it seems to aim more at a playoff style solution to this whole mess.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 12, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, it sidesteps the problem of having to rank South Florida. Every team on my ballot either has either a significant scalp to its name or a collection of less significant wins and some combination of no losses/returning production/all around demonstrated awesomeness. And I get to completely ignore LSU!
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Still on that Mumme shit
First poll here.
Lesson learned: Approval polling really doesn’t solve the problem of ranking the final seven or so.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
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