GoldenBlogs' Top 25 : Final Poll
by ragnarok
on Jan 9, 2009 12:07 PM PST
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| Rank | Team | Delta |
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| 1 | Florida | -- |
| 2 | Utah |  5 |
| 3 | Southern Cal | 2 |
| 4 | Texas |  1 |
| 5 | Oklahoma | 3 |
| 6 | Alabama | 2 |
| 7 | TCU | 7 |
| 8 | Penn State | 2 |
| 9 | Ohio State | -- |
| 10 | Oregon | 5 |
| 11 | Texas Tech | 3 |
| 12 | Mississippi | 9 |
| 13 | Boise State | 3 |
| 14 | Georgia | 4 |
| 15 | Oregon State | 9 |
| 16 | Oklahoma State | 5 |
| 17 | Virginia Tech | -- |
| 18 | California | 8 |
| 19 | Michigan State | 3 |
| 20 | Cincinnati | 8 |
| 21 | Iowa | 5 |
| 22 | Florida State | 4 |
| 23 | Georgia Tech | 10 |
| 24 | Missouri | 2 |
| 25 | LSU | 1 |
Dropped Out: Brigham Young (#19), Pittsburgh (#20), Boston College (#23), Ball State (#25).
The question has been raised by countless pundits over the past week: does the winner of the BCS Championship Game (Florida) deserve to be #1? What about Utah, USC, or even Texas? Let's run down the arguments:
Well, after barely squeaking by Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl (coupled with Ole Miss' beatdown of Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl and Oklahoma's loss in the NCG), it's fairly clear to me that Texas is not the best team in the country. While the Longhorns did provide the lone bright spot for the Big XII South in the postseason, I think it's now pretty clear that the main reason that Big XII offenses are so prolific is that Big XII defenses are just not that good.
USC has a better case to make. It's proven conclusively that it is the class of both the Pac-10 and the Big 10, and its road loss to Oregon State is at least no worse than Florida's home loss to Ole Miss, and perhaps quite a bit better. But are the Trojans better than Florida? I really couldn't say, and I think I would need better justification than that to vote them #1.
Undefeated Utah, however, has a great case. A very good win over 'Bama in the Sugar Bowl provides ample evidence that the Utes, at least every few years, can compete with the biggest of big boys. Comparing head-to-head matchups, Utah defeated the Tide in a more dominating fashion than the Florida did, and I think they would hold up well against the Gators. But do I think they're the #1 team in the nation? Alas, I do not.
The perfect record looks nice, but let's be honest: the Utes were far less challenged this year than Florida was. They squeaked by the worst Michigan team in history and has some close calls in a Mountain West conference that, while it contains some quality, is hardly the SEC. I don't honestly believe that Utah would be undefeated had they played Florida's schedule (or even USC's, or Texas'), and I don't believe that, given the schedule they did play, they accomplished as much as Florida did, even with their unblemished record. The Utes had a very nice season, and they deserve a shot at it all, but as things stand now, I can't vote them #1.
Actually, the top 9 on this poll was pretty easy for me to fill out, but as soon as I got to #10, I started struggling. Every team past that point is very good but seriously flawed, and all have major résumé pock-marks. Maybe you think Ole Miss is a couple spots too high, or Iowa a few too low, or whatever. I can see your point, I just happen to not agree with you.
#25 LSU made it onto my ballot, but both Fever and CBKWit had West Virginia instead. The Bayou Bengals won out due to the workings of the Borda Count, but should they have? Who would you end your ballot with? Did we leave someone else off who deserves some Top 25 love?
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mizzou’s overrated…best win is N’western…not Top25 material in my opinion
Pitt’s got a win over Iowa and played Ore St tight…prolly deserves Top 25
Ohio St’s way too high…considering Oregon’s got a victory two victories over Top 20 teams.
Okie St’s best (and only) quality win is Mizzou…and I obviously don’t value Mizzou that much…so I’d rank them closer to Mizzou than you have.
Ole Miss is behind TTech? To me, this suggests “all wins are created equal” in your logic.
FSU and Va Tech appear to be more impressive than their records suggest.
So…I guess what I’m asking is, what is your logic in the rankings?
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 12:29 PM PST
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some responses
Let’s see if I can respond to some of these:
I wouldn’t mind dropping Missouri. They’re certainly fringe-y Top 25, somewhere between 22 and 30 or so. Not sure who I’d replace them with if I dropped them out.
Having watched the Sun Bowl…yes, they played Oregon State tight, but they didn’t look good at all in doing so. The Beavers were missing two of their best offensive playmakers, and with a few breaks, could have made the final margin wider. I’m not interested in ranking Pitt.
No, Ohio State didn’t beat either Penn State or Texas, but they were right in either game. I think both were “good” losses, and they certainly didn’t look any worse against USC than Oregon did.
I could drop Oklahoma State a few. I do think our final poll, as it turned out, overrates the Big XII somewhat.
I had Ole Miss ahead of Texas Tech, but either Yellow Fever or CBKWit had them switched, I forget who, and this is how the averaging worked out. I agree with you, with similar résumés but a blowout win in a head-to-head matchup, the Rebs should be in front.
I think the top of the ACC (VaTech and FSU) plays well with teams like Cal, Michigan State, CIncy and Iowa. You could move them around, I guess, but I can’t think of a compelling reason to do so. All the ACC teams posted a good number of losses because no team dominated the league, but I think the entire ACC (minus perhaps Duke) would rank somewhere between 20 and 50; it was hard for any of those teams to separate themselves from a pack of solid, if unspectacular, squads.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 10, 2009 1:08 PM PST
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$C
You know, I think that being the Pac-10 and Big-Televen conference champions for the past five years or so should qualify $C as the #1 team.
Honestly, after last night, do you think Florida could even be competitive against the Trojans?
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by SoCal Oski on
Jan 9, 2009 1:18 PM PST
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As per our agreement. . . .
. . . . your $100 bucks is in the mail SoCal. Thanks! You’re a peach ;- )
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 9, 2009 3:53 PM PST
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Honestly, after last night, do you think Florida could even be competitive against the Trojans?
I really, honestly do. Some of the Vegas oddsmakers agree with me.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 10, 2009 1:10 PM PST
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Someone explain to me why Oregon is so high in all these polls. They have two solid wins, their last two over OSU and Okie State. That’s it. Every other big game they’ve lost and they were absolutely torched against USC. I’m not saying they’re a bad team, they just shouldn’t be this high based on their resume.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
by BeastMode on
Jan 9, 2009 1:20 PM PST
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Who would you place above them?
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 9, 2009 1:26 PM PST
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that’s pretty much my response, too. i don’t think oregon is any great shakes (nothing like what you would traditionally call a “top 10” team), but i really had trouble coming up with a 10th team for my top 10. i actually went with Ole Miss at 10 and Oregon at 11, but my colleagues disagreed.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 10, 2009 1:11 PM PST
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agree w/ BearsNecessity…
it is a rather dramatic jump…but I’m not afraid to of how large the change is from week to week.
It’s impossible, with 3/4 OOC games – many of which aren’t challenging to find out how good teams really are between conferences. The bowl schedule forces us to iron this out.
So, applied to Oregon:
They have 5 quality games and 2 quality wins (Okie St, Ore St) 2 narrow losses and a big loss to SC. Ohio St and PSU also had large road losses to USC.
Ohio St only has 1 quality win (Mich St) and 3 quality losses.
Also, the Pac10 skyrocketed in the bowl season with:
- Utah/TCU/Boise St being legit
- Alabama looking bad
- BYU sucking (making Zona look better)
- Big12 losing
- SEC looking not as ZOMG
- BigEast/ACC still sucking
- Pac10 winning all their bowl games.
I could get on but I have to go to lunch…
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 1:52 PM PST
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Well, first off, I don’t think there should be a 15 team gap between Cal and Oregon. Cal is 2-2 against top 25 teams whereas Oregon is 2-3. I understand Cal has two losses to teams outside of the polls, but they were to bowl teams. Also, Cal was MUCH more competitive against USC. I’m not saying Cal should be ahead, they shouldn’t. But, since I don’t believe Cal should be that much higher than where they are, Oregon shouldn’t be that high.
As for teams that I could justify ahead of Oregon: Virginia Tech, Boise State, and Mississippi.
Cal should be ahead of MSU, BYU, Missouri, Okie State, Iowa, and maybe a couple others.
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by BeastMode on
Jan 9, 2009 2:25 PM PST
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I buy that.
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 2:43 PM PST
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Beating a team that is ranked high is better than beating a team that is ranked low before that teams rises in the polls itself.
So it’s more impressive to beat Oklahoma State and Oregon State than it is to beat MSU and Oregon.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST
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oops misread that
Va Tech…too inconsistent…Ole Miss…has 2 weird losses…Boise St…not strong enough resume (despite win over Oregon).
I’d also put Ohio St behind Cal (1 quality win)
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST
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So by your measures, no team should be ranked.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST
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no, I ranked 25 of them (see sidebar on the right)…you liked it a couple of days ago…Friday Rishi not happy?
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST
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I'd agree with that
I just hate to think of it in terms of “a 15 team gap” (it’s actually 8 in our poll, but whatever). we’re ranking teams in order, not assigning values to them. i think oregon and cal are much closer than this poll would suggest, and that most of the teams in the teens are bunched pretty closely.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 10, 2009 1:21 PM PST
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Utah #1
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST
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sigh
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 2:44 PM PST
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TCU #2, BYU #3
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 9, 2009 2:45 PM PST
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dare I ask where Tulsa is??? Air Force? Wyoming (gulp!)?
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST
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Undefeated.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 9, 2009 9:37 PM PST
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Ah NO! If they had to play a schedule filled with decent conference opponents they would have lost at least two games. They play Sac St. type teams all day. They are worthless aside from the Alabama win. Still, good for them. Let them finish the season ranked #2 if you must, but #1, please……………
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 12:26 AM PST
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Yeah, damn, The Citadel was such a tough game for Florida.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 12:36 AM PST
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Citing their weakest OOC opponent when compared to the SEC schedule is a weak argument in itself. Come on. Look at Utah’s conference opponents and you will understand. Sit here and tell me that Utah could beat USC and I will buy you a drink….
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 12:56 AM PST
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Utah could beat USC (where's my drink?)
In all seriousness, I believe USC is the best team in the nation.
However, at the end of the season, rankings should be given on resume, not on who I think is better.
Utah is undefeated, defeated TCU, BYU, and crushed Alabama. End of story.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 1:02 AM PST
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Here’s a Rum and Coke, my favorite……
I think USC should be #1 also. Not for my love of SC, but for my love of Cal. I work with some east coast jerks who just are so arrogant when it comes to college football. They think the Pac 10 is a joke and should be stripped of its BCS status. Fuck them! I am really sick of this type of shit out of them!
Anyway, gotta go to bed now. Have to work on a fucking Saturday. Thank goodness for for my trusty DVR, (NFL playoffs.) My God, what has our country come to… Please make things better President Obama!
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 1:18 AM PST
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If anyone needs to lose their BCS status...
It’s the Big East and ACC (sans WVU, Miami, VT and Florida St)
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 10, 2009 11:46 AM PST
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Rishi…you need to look past the ZOMG undefeated thing…S.O.S./resume matters when you start comparing who’s the best between 3-4 conferences.
Utah’s resume (3 quality games) is less than USC’s (5) and Florida’s (6). It’s like getting a 4.0 GPA for 2 out of 4 years in high school when the other guys have a 4.0 throughout…
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by carp on
Jan 10, 2009 6:09 AM PST
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But you’re defining “quality games” really arbitrarily…
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 12:28 PM PST
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I'm not at all
I’m defining them by using the best metric we possibly have…the results from the entire 2008-2009 season. There isn’t a better metric. I’ve posted no previous polls and I’m not tied to “well, we had ’em at 10 last week” type of thinking whatsoever. I’m using the best metric and I’m consistent throughout my poll…I evaluate teams based on results vs my Top 25 poll. Maybe I should have ranked 40 teams and evaluated that. Even if I did, Utah wouldn’t pass USC or Florida for # of quality opponents. They just don’t have a large enough body of work.
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by carp on
Jan 10, 2009 12:50 PM PST
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Congrats Florida
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST
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good lord carp....
where did that pic come from.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on
Jan 9, 2009 4:42 PM PST
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during a “Tim Tebow funny” search…
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 5:35 PM PST
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I am nominating THIS SITE for EVERYTHING!
The upcoming SB Nation CFB nominations are coming up. . . . .
And you guys, with all your regular posters ARE THE FUCKING NATION’S BEST! I’m not kidding, and I’m not trying to hug your guys’ nuts. It’s a fact, and you m-fers ARE HILARIOUS.
In the “snarky” dept AND “analysis” dept: hands down, I haven’t seen any site that has better.
Danzig’s “Nate Longshore” post HAS GOTTA WIN SOMETHING.
It’s pictures and funny-ass comments that follow like the one above that have me convinced I need to “get a life” instead of perusing daily here to crack-up at all y’all’s (sp? I went to ’SC? sue me) snarky-ness!
Aces!
(oh- btw: not a bad Longshore win in the Emerald, and congrats at cracking Paragon’s Top 25 over at Conquest Chronicles!)
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 9, 2009 7:25 PM PST
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Can you actually hug our nuts?
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 9, 2009 8:13 PM PST
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Sure
For $100 bucks. At least, I’ll try. (economy these days? times are bad)
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 9, 2009 8:17 PM PST
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Even mine?
No, I’m not The Maharg but thanks for thinking of me so highly.
by Maharg on
Jan 9, 2009 9:26 PM PST
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Especially yours
But what about that operation? Do you still just have one?
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 10, 2009 1:39 AM PST
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$50
For you. Anyone else?
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 10, 2009 1:56 AM PST
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cool…thanks…is this snarky enough?
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 10:16 PM PST
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Yeah, that kinda doesn't count
‘Cause of all of the commenters, you’re just a d_ck!
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 10, 2009 1:37 AM PST
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Ooops?
(edit) ; )
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 10, 2009 1:42 AM PST
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yeah…they don’t suck…see where I put them in my poll…
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by carp on
Jan 10, 2009 6:23 AM PST
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did you just call him a duck?
what do you think this is, a fansite for UC Eugene?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 10, 2009 1:24 PM PST
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Oh right. Check that.
I thought CGB tag line was changed to “Addicted to Quacking-up”, is all.
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 10, 2009 2:22 PM PST
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Nailed it!
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 10, 2009 8:47 PM PST
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It’s not?
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MOOOOOM!
It's spelled ""S-H-U-Y-O-U-V-E-D-O-N-E-S-O-M-E-N-I-C-E-T-H-I-N-G-S-W-I-T-H-T-H-E-P-L-A-C-E"
by JShufelt on
Jan 12, 2009 2:44 PM PST
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well, my nuts feel all warm and toasty just the same…
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 10, 2009 1:24 PM PST
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Hey! No fair, you're wearing "nuggers"
(psssst: ragnarok, i NEEEEEED the m-o-n-e-y. puh-leaze, can i hug ‘em? warm & toasty is certainly better than sweaty & icky. heck! i’ll give you “the maharg” discount? reconsider will you? )
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 10, 2009 2:16 PM PST
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whoa
are you entirely aware of everything that is implied in “the maharg” discount? that’s some pretty freaky stuff there, and not every man is ready to handle something like that…
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 10, 2009 2:21 PM PST
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Not "entirely"
Please. “Fill” me in.
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 10, 2009 2:23 PM PST
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[scratch that from above]
‘Cause that’s just gross, and I’d like to think I’m mucho-macho in the hombre’ -sense-of-the-word. Word.
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by BixBeiderbecke on
Jan 10, 2009 2:25 PM PST
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"You motor boating son-of-a-bitch, You old sailor you!"
by Greedo on
Jan 9, 2009 8:19 PM PST
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Rishi will like this
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by carp on
Jan 9, 2009 10:17 PM PST
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Does it have Utah #1?
If not, then it’s not worth it.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 12:28 AM PST
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nice…why tOSU so high?
why Mizzou/Nebraska over Cincy and Pitt?
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by carp on
Jan 10, 2009 6:13 AM PST
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Nebraska, eh?
and no Michigan State? Granted, they looked bad in the bowl game, but still…
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 10, 2009 1:27 PM PST
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Dude, they are the worst 9-4 team I’ve ever seen. Every one of the good teams they played didn’t just beat them, they flattened them. They needed like twenty breaks (punt return block, punt penalty, Longshore’s curious insertion, three secondary men running into each other, simultaneous possession on that long throw to Cunningham) to even finish within 7.
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 10, 2009 8:05 PM PST
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To be frank, the CBS poll isn’t worth shiat. It doesn’t even have USC ranked.
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 12:24 AM PST
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My bad, I’ve been drinking… Didn’t notice that it had Southern California ranked #5. I just briefly scanned it looking for USC. When I didn’t see it I was amazed… What an idiot I am!!!
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 12:28 AM PST
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You know, when I go drinking, I usually go out with friends, not post on CGB. Right now, I’m sick. What’s your excuse?
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 12:29 AM PST
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I work 65+ hours a week. I would love to kick back with some friends and drink. I did that in college. I grew up and realized if I was to drink and keep a job, I’d have to go it alone…….. It is a sad and lonely life, but I am alive…………………..
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 12:32 AM PST
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You’re a trooper, Seth.
www.californiagoldenblogs.com
by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 12:32 AM PST
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Hey Hydro buddy! My how I have missed our conversations. Because of the sour economy my employer has initiated massive layoffs. As such I no longer have time to sit around and debate. I really hope the economy improves so we can hire more people and I can get back to slacking off and hanging out around here…
I really miss this place!
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 12:37 AM PST
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This place, and I, miss you, CaliSeth. <3 <3 <3
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 12:38 AM PST
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So Seth, about 2009. Who are you endorsing? Mansion or Riley? I’m choosing Sweeney.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 12:41 AM PST
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Hmmmmm
I guess I would have to go with Riley… Though, I am reticent to endorse anyone outright. To be honest, I was really disappointed with Riley’s play down the stretch. I just do not understand why we have had so much problem with QB the past few years. If Aaron could come in and learn the offense in three months, why can’t our squadron of elite 11 QB’s continue in that tradition? I am just baffled. Even sub par teams seem to have more reliable QB’s. I think CGB may need to investigate why we have suffered so badly from this position the past few years, despite Tedford’s status as a QB guru.
On a serious note, are you really going with Sweeney? Come on, really?!?
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 12:51 AM PST
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Stegosaurus.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 12:53 AM PST
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I thought Stego’s eligibility was up? I was talking with Sandy the other day and she said his petition for a sixth year was denied. Did I hear that wrong?
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 12:59 AM PST
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I just heard he was suspended for missing classes due to a meteor or some lame excuse like that.
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by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 1:03 AM PST
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He wasn’t the same after the concussion
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on
Jan 10, 2009 9:24 AM PST
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Great, I almost feel bad for making fun of you now.
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by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 12:33 AM PST
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Don’t. I’m a grown man, so to speak…
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 12:38 AM PST
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Do you drink at work?
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by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 12:50 AM PST
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NEVER.
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by CaliSeth on
Jan 10, 2009 12:53 AM PST
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Are you sure you don’t have a bottle of whiskey in your top left drawer?
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by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 1:03 AM PST
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Although I’m not a participant in the CGB poll, I don’t think I’d rank Cal near 18. I’d probably put Cal around 25-30.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 12:33 AM PST
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The real question is...
Where would you rank Utah?
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by Rishi on
Jan 10, 2009 12:35 AM PST
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If I had a vote, I’d probably put them in the high single digits (6-9).
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 12:37 AM PST
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I’m a non-Major BCS Conference hater.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 12:37 AM PST
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Cal’s passing offense is just too bad to be near 18.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 12:36 AM PST
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I’m still trying to figure out how they ended up 19th in my poll. I guess I really hate the Big East and the ACC.
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 10, 2009 1:24 AM PST
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u aren’t supposed to look at their “passing offense” or other divisions of play…you’re supposed to look at their resume…and Cal’s is certainly in the 15-22 range. If you put Cal at 25-30…who goes in the Top 25? Teams with nice passing offenses?
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by carp on
Jan 10, 2009 6:18 AM PST
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It’s not like Pitt or LSU had better passing Os.. they were in fact much worse! (somehow)
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on
Jan 10, 2009 9:26 AM PST
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Am I supposed to be just looking at their resume? If the ranking is a resume ranking, then well, I guess so. But if it’s merely a poll with discretion to the voters to vote how they want, then I’m going to use my own hybrid ranking method of both resume and power ranking. In that case then I can look at a team’s divisions of play which would mean I would drop Cal due to the lack of passing attack.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 2:05 PM PST
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ok…I think I get resume and my definition of a CFB resume would involve: games vs quality opponents, wins vs quality opponents, analysis of the L’s, and who the opponent beaten/lost to.
What incorporates “power rankings” and how does my definition of resume not account for this.
Let me ask a hypothetical:
If Ga Tech went undefeated and beat your favorite opponent in the BCS game (how’s florida?), would you rank them #1 if they have no passing attack?
How about if we replace Ga Tech with Tx Tech and ask if you’d rank them #1 if they have no rushing attack?
I assumed this poll aims to follow the AP instructions: rank teams according to resume. Not who has the best passing game or who has the best NFL-caliber players.
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by carp on
Jan 10, 2009 3:48 PM PST
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Regarding Cal having no passing attack and TTech having no rushing attack – you’re talking about two different things. TTech’s offense, does well on both run and pass despite passing more. Cal’s offense pretty much only does well on run and its offense is wholly less effective than TTech’s. So this isn’t an issue of finding a team that has both offense and defense which it sounds like you think i am looking for – which I am not. I am looking for a good offense regardless of whether they pass or run a lot. TTech has that. Cal does not. I do not think Cal’s offense is that good. It has been getting by on solid run blocking and a great RB. Cal’s offense as a whole is less effective than Texas Tech’s, (the underlying reason is because of its weak passing attack), which is why I am dropping Cal. So as you can see, I’m not dropping Cal because of its weak passing attack but on the greater reason of that its offense is less effective. A small difference but a significant one.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 4:05 PM PST
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this makes more sense…but I’m still unsure as to how you use it in the rankings…it seems as if it would be hard to compare two teams O’s and D’s if they haven’t played each other or if the haven’t played teams who have played the team in interest (for example, comparing Tulsa with Cal).
Another example:
The perception that Big12S has great O’s…which they do…but how much better? Better than Penn St’s? Better than Ga Tech’s? Better than late season Oregon?
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by carp on
Jan 10, 2009 4:39 PM PST
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Yes, it would be hard to compare two teams who haven’t played each other or the same opponent. How that comparison is made is essentially different for every voter. Perhaps, that is the attraction of computers, they can make the same unified comparison without bias.
Anyways, I’m not a voter in our CGB poll so I’m not a part of what happened up there. I am merely just saying if I was a voter in our own poll that I probably would have not ranked Cal.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 5:02 PM PST
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any chance we can get a breakdown of 2009 opponent O’s over the long stretch of desert known as The Offseason?
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by carp on
Jan 10, 2009 5:06 PM PST
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Perhaps. Right now I want to look over the USC game again, then the bowl game, then we’ll see.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 5:18 PM PST
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You just won't admit that the reason you won't rank Cal
Is because Tedford never started Brock Mansion.
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 10, 2009 8:07 PM PST
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If Brock Mansion was our starting QB, we would have won the national championship game.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 11:13 PM PST
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If Syd was our starting QB, we’d win the Super Bowl.
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by Berkelium97 on
Jan 11, 2009 1:01 AM PST
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If Mansion was our starting QB, he would have discovered a cure for cancer.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 11, 2009 1:10 PM PST
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Correction
Oops, I made a mistake:
So this isn’t an issue of finding a team that has both offense and defense passing and rushing attack which it sounds like you think i am looking for – which I am not. I am looking for a good offense regardless of whether they pass or run a lot.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 5:03 PM PST
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I am NOT ranking a team based on who has the best passing attack or the best NFL-caliber players.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 4:06 PM PST
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yeah…I didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers…see my point above…I just seems hard to use that as a metric.
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by carp on
Jan 10, 2009 4:40 PM PST
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I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to come across as my feathers being ruffled.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 10, 2009 5:00 PM PST
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buy ya a cold one?
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by carp on
Jan 10, 2009 5:04 PM PST
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there are reasons to hate on pretty much every team past the top 8-9
i think perhaps you’re just more familiar with Cal’s flaws than some of the other teams near the end of our ballot.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 10, 2009 1:29 PM PST
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