Statistics and Records for Cal under Tedford
Some of you may remember that I made a fanpost back in June 2008 regarding Cal's successes and failures in the Tedford era. That post was pretty crude as it only contained our W/L records against other teams and in different locations. So when I decided to update it to include information from the 2008 season I expanded it to take a look at a lot more statistics.
Keep in mind throughout the post that correlation does not imply causation.
Key:
Blue - GOOD
Red - BAD
Records By Team
| Team | W | L |
| New Mexico St | 3 | 0 |
| Michigan St | 2 | 0 |
| Southern Miss | 2 | 0 |
| Illinois | 2 | 0 |
| Miami | 1 | 0 |
| Portland State | 1 | 0 |
| Texas A&M | 1 | 0 |
| BYU | 1 | 0 |
| Baylor | 1 | 0 |
| Louisiana Tech | 1 | 0 |
| Virginia Tech | 1 | 0 |
| Minnesota | 1 | 0 |
| Sacramento St | 1 | 0 |
| Stanford | 6 | 1 |
| Washington | 6 | 1 |
| Arizona St | 5 | 1 |
| Washington St | 4 | 1 |
| Air Force | 2 | 1 |
| Colorado St | 2 | 1 |
| Oregon | 4 | 2 |
| Arizona | 4 | 3 |
| UCLA | 4 | 3 |
| Tennessee | 1 | 1 |
| Oregon St | 2 | 5 |
| USC | 1 | 6 |
| Maryland | 0 | 1 |
| Utah | 0 | 1 |
| Texas Tech | 0 | 1 |
| Kansas St | 0 | 1 |
Teams played more than once:
| Team | W | L |
| New Mexico St | 3 | 0 |
| Michigan St | 2 | 0 |
| Southern Miss | 2 | 0 |
| Illinois | 2 | 0 |
| Stanford | 6 | 1 |
| Washington | 6 | 1 |
| Arizona St | 5 | 1 |
| Washington St | 4 | 1 |
| Air Force | 2 | 1 |
| Colorado St | 2 | 1 |
| Oregon | 4 | 2 |
| Arizona | 4 | 3 |
| UCLA | 4 | 3 |
| Tennessee | 1 | 1 |
| Oregon St | 2 | 5 |
| USC | 1 | 6 |
Analysis:
I'm going to ignore the teams that we played once because they were either bowl games, the tail end of a home and home agreement from the Holmoe era or series that are still to be completed.
Still we seem to own New Mexico St, Michigan St, Stanford, Arizona St, and the Washington schools. Unfortunately however the Oregon St and (unsurprisingly) USC owns us. I'm a bit surprised at our record against Arizona because I was always under the impression that Arizona is just an annoying little gnat. But other than the two times Cal shut out Arizona it's been a tight game with them owning us thrice. And I'm glad to see that despite the two losses we are pretty much owning Oregon. Take that JOregonFan!
Records by Location
| Location | W | L |
| Pullman, WA | 2 | 0 |
| San Francisco, CA | 1 | 0 |
| Fort Collins, CO | 1 | 0 |
| Phoenix, AZ | 1 | 0 |
| Hattiesburg, MS | 1 | 0 |
| Fort Worth, TX | 1 | 0 |
| East Lansing, MI | 1 | 0 |
| Las Vegas, NV | 1 | 0 |
| Champaign, IL | 1 | 0 |
| Las Cruces, NM | 1 | 0 |
| Colorado Springs, CO | 1 | 0 |
| Berkeley, CA | 35 | 9 |
| Seattle, WA | 3 | 1 |
| Palo Alto, CA | 2 | 1 |
| Tempe, AZ | 2 | 1 |
| Corvallis, OR | 2 | 2 |
| San Diego, CA | 1 | 1 |
| Eugene, OR | 1 | 2 |
| Tucson, AZ | 1 | 2 |
| Los Angeles, CA | 0 | 4 |
| Knoxville, TN | 0 | 1 |
| Pasadena, CA | 0 | 3 |
| Kansas City, MO | 0 | 1 |
| Salt Lake City, UT | 0 | 1 |
| College Park, MD | 0 | 1 |
Places played at more than once
| Location | W | L |
| Pullman, WA | 2 | 0 |
| Berkeley, CA | 35 | 9 |
| Seattle, WA | 3 | 1 |
| Palo Alto, CA | 2 | 1 |
| Tempe, AZ | 2 | 1 |
| Corvallis, OR | 2 | 2 |
| San Diego, CA | 1 | 1 |
| Eugene, OR | 1 | 2 |
| Tucson, AZ | 1 | 2 |
| Los Angeles, CA | 0 | 4 |
| Pasadena, CA | 0 | 3 |
A map displaying the same info as above (click to see a larger version)

Analysis:
There are two things that jump out at me when I see this. Firstly why the f*** haven't we won at Los Angeles yet! Our SoCal record is atrocious (the one victory coming against a Texas A&M team in the Holiday Bowl). Secondly we've been nearly unstoppable at Berkeley. For the past three years no one but Oregon St and USC have been able to stop us there. It has become a true 12th man for Cal. And I like to think that I made a difference these past three seasons!
I honestly don't know what to make of the map. We do pretty good on the west coast (barring SoCal) and the Midwest but we have trouble in the east coast and SEC territory. But then again it's hard to draw conclusion because we haven't played much there.
Record By Month
| Month | W | L |
| December | 8 | 2 |
| September | 21 | 6 |
| August | 3 | 1 |
| November | 12 | 9 |
| October | 15 | 12 |
Analysis
There's only one conclusion I can draw from this: If you want to beat Cal, play us in November or at worst October. This makes it look like Cal starts out strong, runs out of steam midway through the season and then dominates in December (which is usually against Stanford and bowl games). If you consider the fact that USC is at its strongest in November and that we tend to play them in November, then our record against USC makes sense. I'm glad that we play them in September next year.
Record By Conference
| Conference | W | L |
| Big-10 | 5 | 0 |
| Sun Belt | 2 | 0 |
| WAC | 2 | 0 |
| FCS | 2 | 0 |
| CUSA | 2 | 0 |
| ACC | 2 | 1 |
| MWC | 5 | 3 |
| Pac-10 | 36 | 23 |
| SEC | 1 | 1 |
| Big-12 | 2 | 2 |
Analysis
We own the Big-10 (11). And our three losses to the Mountain West came early in Tedford's era (Air Force, Colorado State and Alex Smith led Utah). Recently we've also dominated the MWC. Glad to see no losing records here. We're .610 against the Pac-10 which is pretty damn good considering our record in Tucson and Los Angeles.
Records for Starting QB
Note: Longshore started Air Force Bowl 07 and Riley started UDub 08
| Conference | W | L |
| Steve Levy | 2 | 0 |
| Aaron Rodgers | 17 | 6 |
| Kevin Riley | 7 | 3 |
| Nate Longshore | 20 | 10 |
| Kyle Boller | 7 | 5 |
| Joe Ayoob | 5 | 4 |
| Reggie Robertson | 1 | 2 |
Winngest Starting QBs
| Conference | W | L |
| Nate Longshore | 20 | 10 |
| Aaron Rodgers | 17 | 6 |
| Kyle Boller | 7 | 5 |
| Kevin Riley | 7 | 3 |
| Joe Ayoob | 5 | 4 |
| Steve Levy | 2 | 0 |
| Reggie Robertson | 1 | 2 |
Analysis
When it comes to winning percentages it's clear that Aaron Rodgers was the best starting QB that Cal had (Steve Levy is just an abberation). But neither Nate Longshore nor Kevin Riley are too bad. HOWEVER keep in mind that this only says who started. It could be that the games were won (or lost) because of our running game, our D, etc.
That said it doesn't surprise me that Nate Longshore is our winningest QB in the Tedford era followed by Rodgers.
Poor Reggie Robertson. Only played three games and lost two of them. Whatever happened to him?
Also when I was compliling the data I noticed that outside of the second half of his season Ayoob wasn't THAT bad. Sure he had turnovers but he did compile some decent stats in some of his early games. What the hell happened?
Records by Turfs
| Turf | W | L |
| Artificial | 48 | 15 |
| Grass | 11 | 15 |
Analysis
Dear god we suck on grass. Is this because we face our worst enemies on grass or do we really just suck on grass? Our stats on Artificial turf is exaggerated due to the fact that we play on Artificial turf at Memorial.
Records at Different Timezones
| Timezone | W | L |
| Central | 3 | 1 |
| Pacific | 48 | 23 |
| Mountain | 7 | 4 |
| Eastern | 1 | 2 |
Analysis
East Coast has Cal's number. That's all I can deduce here.
Record By Starting Time
| Time | W | L |
| Before Noon | 8 | 1 |
| Noon to 3PM | 27 | 15 |
| 3PM to 5PM | 18 | 8 |
| After 5PM | 6 | 6 |
Average Starting Time: 2:36PM
Analysis
I was surprised to see that we've only lost one game in which Cal played earlier than noon (and that game was Maryland). I honestly thought that it would be worse. But guess not. And Cal seems to do great during prime time games (3PM-5PM) though most of it's games tend to be in the afternoon (thus the average starting time of 2:30PM). Not sure what the problem is with night games.
Record Against Ranked Teams
| Ranking | W | L |
| #1 - #5 | 1 | 4 |
| #6 - #10 | 0 | 2 |
| #11 - #15 | 5 | 2 |
| #16 - #20 | 1 | 3 |
| #21 - #25 | 4 | 3 |
| Unranked | 48 | 16 |
Number of Ranked Teams faced: 25
Average Opponent Ranking (when opponent is ranked): 14
Analysis
So unsurprisingly Cal has trouble with top-10 teams (and the only victory coming against USC in 2003). It doesn't help that most of the top-10 teams Cal faces is coached by Pete Caroll. We seem to do ok with the other ranked teams (not sure what's up with 16-20 though) and we usually beat unranked teams.
Of the 25 ranked teams cal faced (out of 89) they were on averaged ranked #14. That's pretty good.
Record When Ranked
| Ranking | W | L |
| #1 - #5 | 4 | 2 |
| #6 - #10 | 10 | 5 |
| #11 - #15 | 7 | 0 |
| #16 - #20 | 6 | 3 |
| #21 - #25 | 4 | 6 |
| Unranked | 28 | 14 |
Number of Times Ranked: 47
Average Ranking (when Cal is ranked): 13
Analysis
Cal's successes when ranked in the top-10 is almost all from the 2004 era. But what I'm most curious about is Cal's record when ranked between 11-15. Out of 7 games when Cal is ranked in that spot in the past 7 years, Cal has never lost.
Cal has been ranked (not including post-season) a total of 47 times out of 89 (53%!) and during these 47 times Cal was ranked on average 13. That's pretty damn good.
Records...
| Stat | W | L |
| ...when Turnover Margin < 0 | 13 | 19 |
| ...when Turnover Margin >= 0 | 46 | 11 |
| ...when Outrushed by Opponent | 7 | 21 |
| ...when Outrushing Opponent | 52 | 9 |
| ...when Outpassed by Opponent | 31 | 13 |
| ...when Outpassing Opponent | 28 | 17 |
| ...when Outgained by Opponent | 14 | 19 |
| ...when Outgaining Opponent | 45 | 11 |
| ...when Scoring < 10 | 0 | 3 |
| ...when Scoring between 10-20 | 2 | 11 |
| ...when Scoring between 20-30 | 12 | 12 |
| ...when Scoring between 30-40 | 14 | 3 |
| ...when Scoring more than 40 | 31 | 1 |
| ...when Opp Scores < 10 | 15 | 0 |
| ...when Opp Scores between 10-20 | 22 | 2 |
| ...when Opp Scores between 20-30 | 16 | 13 |
| ...when Opp Scores between 30-40 | 5 | 9 |
| ...when Opp Scores more than 40 | 1 | 6 |
Analysis
I can't see anything surprising here. If an opponent turns it over less than you, rushes more than you or simply plays better than you then you'll lose. And vice versa. Although it's funny to note that when an opponent has outpassed Cal, Cal has won a higher percentage of times then when Cal has outpassed the opponent. This is probably because the losing team tends to pass a lot.
Also the fact that we do terrible when our running game gets shut down seems to show me that Cal is pretty much a rushing team rather than a stereotypical West Coast passing team.
Yearly Stats
Analysis
I had to make this into an image because I couldn't fit the table into this fanpost.
What I can take away is that Cal averages around 180yds rushing per game which is quite a bit (and look at the rushing numbers in 2004 and 2005 - holy crap!). Unsurprisingly the 2008 team's passing was the worst in the past 7 seasons and the offense was the statistically the second worst even though the running game was the third best. But our defense was damn good (only the 2004 edition comes close). And another surprising thing I noticed is that our turnover margin is a whopping +37! That's mainly due to the insane +18 in 2002 (!) and the +15 of the last season. And is it any surprise that the two worst seasons Cal had under Tedford, 2005 and 2007 had a negative turnover margin?
So that's that. I wanted to find out where Tedford recruited from and then overlay that with the map that showed Cal's successes but I got too lazy so that's a project for someone else or for later.
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Cal recruiting maps in Tedford era
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 6, 2009 4:46 PM PST
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Well done by the way
I like the colors.
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 6, 2009 4:47 PM PST
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Give me the data as a CSV file or something and I can make a script to overlay this data with the successes data
But otherwise I’m too lazy to add it one by one lol
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 6, 2009 4:48 PM PST
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Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics!!!
Um, good job?
by turkey on
Jan 6, 2009 4:49 PM PST
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summary sentence?
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 4:52 PM PST
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The opinions expressed in a FanPost are not necessarily those of the California Golden Blogs or any of its authors. However, they are just as important as the opinions of any of the authors. And doubly so as compared to TwistNHook!
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 6, 2009 4:58 PM PST
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sigh…I’ll read it when I have time (like I’m busy!). Looks nice, me like the colors.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 5:16 PM PST
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“If you consider the fact that USC is at its strongest in November and that we tend to play them in November, then our record against USC makes sense. I’m glad that we play them in September next year.”
Knowing that your warning about correlation and causation, I have to suggest a chicken/egg scenario. We play USCUCLA around homecoming/Midseason by design (money). So, do we suck against the teams, in the city, or the midseason? Probably a little from everything.
by AndBears on
Jan 6, 2009 5:02 PM PST
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Yea I realized that as soon as I typed it..
and then I added my correlation/causation warning but forgot to change the original sentence. It’s hard to say but seeing that we have trouble on grass, play a high ranked USC in November where we have a terrible record, and lose something is going on. My best guess is that Cal runs out of steam midway. But I can’t back it up any further
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by royrules22 on
Jan 6, 2009 5:05 PM PST
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well, appreciate the thought, and the stats bring up some great questions. Also, the colors are quite hypnotizing…
by AndBears on
Jan 6, 2009 5:09 PM PST
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We play them in Oct. in ’09 & ’10.
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 6, 2009 5:11 PM PST
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Yearly stats
I’m kinda pointing out the obvious here, but it’s interesting that our record seemed to correlate more with opponent’s PPG than with our PPG (which was pretty constant) or any of the yardage stats.
I outworthless the Maharg.
by HolmoePhobe on
Jan 6, 2009 5:42 PM PST
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Defense wins games?
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 6, 2009 10:49 PM PST
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Thank you!
Means a lot coming from you!
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by royrules22 on
Jan 6, 2009 6:07 PM PST
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We should have a permanent link to this post somewhere on this site (eg hall of fame) so we can refer to it during the season.
by danzig on
Jan 6, 2009 6:13 PM PST
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Maybe it should be inducted into the fanpost hall of fame. That seems to be the easiest place to keep it for easy access.
"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.
by Berkelium97 on
Jan 6, 2009 6:14 PM PST
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if it gets enough rec’s, i’ll put it there.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 6, 2009 7:47 PM PST
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What if it gets enough flags?
No, I’m not The Maharg but thanks for thinking of me so highly.
by Maharg on
Jan 7, 2009 10:18 AM PST
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It goes into the CGB hall of shame along with all the DBDs Twist has ever made.
"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.
by Berkelium97 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:28 AM PST
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Hey! I voted for “I want Twist to do the DBD from never on”
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by TwistNHook on
Jan 7, 2009 2:31 PM PST
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looks like it’s getting in!
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 7, 2009 11:07 AM PST
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Key:
…when Outrushed by Opponent 7 21
…when Outrushing Opponent 52 9
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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 6, 2009 6:00 PM PST
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Seriously
Cal is foremost a run-first team IMO
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 6, 2009 8:43 PM PST
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Wondering...
I know the Rose Bowl is grass… is SC’s coliseum grass too?
by danzig on
Jan 6, 2009 6:04 PM PST
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I'm really liking the Cal 5 - 0 Big Ten record
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 6, 2009 6:58 PM PST
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The issue of our performance on grass vs turf seriously needs to be examined further.
Good job with the post.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 6, 2009 6:59 PM PST
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Ken Crawford did a big thing on it…
I think Cal would be just fine on grass if they actually practiced on it once in awhile. They need to get on that rugby field more often.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 7:16 PM PST
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I actually wish Yonathan Okanes would field this question just once and actually talk to Tedford.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 6, 2009 9:09 PM PST
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It’s because most of our grass games are in LA.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 6, 2009 7:38 PM PST
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USC maybe, but why the hell are we losing to UCLA so often?
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 6, 2009 8:37 PM PST
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2003 We’re not that good
2005 Alamar
2007 No run game
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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 6, 2009 8:56 PM PST
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Arizona has grass too… it’s really starting to make me wonder.
by danzig on
Jan 6, 2009 8:57 PM PST
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Maryland was grass too, right?
Something is wrong here.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 6, 2009 9:06 PM PST
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Well...someone's talked about it before
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 7, 2009 12:16 AM PST
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But you don’t mention how specifically it happens.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 7, 2009 7:08 AM PST
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TOOT TOOT
This FanPost delivers.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on
Jan 6, 2009 8:34 PM PST
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Great post, RR.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 7, 2009 3:20 AM PST
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I still don’t think we’re terrible on grass. Certainly, I suppose it does have a negative effect on the team, but the record is worse than it appears due to: (i) playing USC, (ii) coincidental unlucky losses to UCLA in LA; and (iii) playing on grass means playing away from home which means Cal doesn’t have home field advantage.
So in short, I do think Cal is worse on grass than on momentum turf, but the comparison is a bit overblown. The difference we’re seeing in the grass vs. turf record is probably due more to home field advantage rather than the fact that it’s grass or turf.
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by HydroTech on
Jan 7, 2009 3:23 AM PST
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I’m inclined to agree with Hydro; the grass thing is largely an artifact of home-field advantage, or lack thereof. I also agree with everyone above that this is a great post. Thanks for all your work, double-R!
For me, the two take-home lessons (beyond the obvious ones that defense, turnovers, and the run game are all keys to victory), are:
(1) Cal’s inability to win in L.A., and not just at the Coliseum
(2) Cal’s inability to beat Oregon State at Strawberry Canyon. What’s up with that?!
There are a bunch of hurdles to overcome next season if the Bears are going to win a championship. But finally getting over these two would be a very nice start.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on
Jan 7, 2009 8:17 AM PST
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Let’s swap turf for grass at Memorial Stadium and see how our record changes.
Then we can see what the effects of grass truly are.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 7, 2009 10:20 AM PST
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I don't know about that
It’s pretty easy given the above data to account for home-field.
Artificial turf 48-15. Berkeley 35-9. Ok, so remove the home field
Away artificial 13-6 (68% win)
Away grass 11-15 (42% win)
Ok, so now you say it’s influenced by LA. So remove LA (although that’s bogus – we have to be able to win in LA). So above it says 0-7 adding together LA and Pasadena.
Away artificial 13-6 (68)
Away grass w/o LA 11-8 (57)
Even taking away LA schools and home-field advantage, we STILL suck on grass vs artificial turf.
by tmoran3020 on
Jan 7, 2009 2:31 PM PST
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Reaching back to my IM soccer days
try running at maxwell family field, then jog over to underhill and run some, the difference is quite apparent. The speed at maxwell resembles playing on concrete, while the speed at underhill resembles the playing at the beach, and they are both turf fields.
by chowder on
Jan 7, 2009 3:31 PM PST
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completely understand
ok, I was not an athlete, but I was in band (big shocker), which consisted of 2 hours cardio every weekday on Maxwell/Kleeburger field. This meant that every person was repeatedly (and with fervor) pounding their feet down onto a light layer of fuzz above a thick layer of concrete. Shin-splints were very common, along with sore feet, knees and hip-joints.
Momentum Turf like in the Memorial Stadium is much nicer (I have not yet set foot on Underhill) but you are right to say that turf quality varies. And we all saw how much impacted grass can affect play while we watched ‘gravity’ take down our best receivers during the Emerald Bowl.
by AndBears on
Jan 7, 2009 3:48 PM PST
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the maxwell field is SOOOO much nicer than it used to be
when it was Kleeburger it was basically that cheap outdoor grass straight on to the concrete. MF*n hard.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on
Jan 7, 2009 4:04 PM PST
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it didnt change, maxwell was/is injury central
by chowder on
Jan 7, 2009 4:22 PM PST
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Who the hell got shin splints while marching?
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by TwistNHook on
Jan 7, 2009 4:59 PM PST
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it's hard to tell
but I’ll assume you’re kidding. I knew atleast 10 people with shin splints 3 you know personally.
by AndBears on
Jan 7, 2009 5:05 PM PST
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Wow. That’s crazzy. 7 friends you have that I don’t. How weird.
In an unrelated story, people get shin splints from marching. Who could have forseen that?
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by TwistNHook on
Jan 7, 2009 7:23 PM PST
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what!
injuries! marching!
clicks trick knee back into place
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on
Jan 8, 2009 1:42 PM PST
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they rebuilt it, putting some nifty playing fields on top of a parking garage. they opened it for use last spring.
by chowder on
Jan 8, 2009 10:13 AM PST
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daammnn you chowdah!!
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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 8, 2009 10:15 AM PST
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No, they built a giant new parking structure with a huuuge playing field on top.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 8, 2009 10:14 AM PST
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13-6 vs. 11-8 is not that statistically significant considering the sample size.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 7, 2009 4:06 PM PST
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I’m with Spazz. I don’t see much difference between 13-6 and 11-8. The absence of home games on grass makes it very hard to isolate the influence of field surface from home-field advantage. Perhaps it’s telling that Cal has done just fine in its bowl games under Tedford, including those played on grass.
Cal’s poor performance on grass, as opposed to on artificial turf away from home, is almost entirely the product of the 0-7 record in L.A. So the real question is: why can’t the Bears win in L.A.? Perhaps it’s the grass, but I suspect not.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on
Jan 7, 2009 5:21 PM PST
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Fine
But you’re missing the point. We get to basically even only by taking out both LA schools, which is bogus. We beat USC 1/4 at home and UCLA 3/3 at home. Under what scenario is it valid to remove them? Are we saying that UCLA has just such a home field advantage in the RB (hah) that those games shouldn’t count?
We may not have enough points to be statistically definitive, but the lengths that have to be gone to to make grass even close to artificial turf implies there is something here.
by tmoran3020 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:21 PM PST
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Obviously, we can’t ignore the Los Angeles games. But we can observe that the huge difference between Cal’s record on grass vs. plastic is almost entirely accounted for by two factors:
(a) all those home games played on plastic
(b) all those losses on grass in L.A.
Cal has done poorly enough on grass, beyond L.A., that it is certainly reasonable to hypothesize that playing surface is a big part of our L.A. struggles. But it’s no less reasonable to suggest that the Bears’ poor record on grass is just a reflection of not being able to win in L.A..
Go Bears!
by California Pete on
Jan 8, 2009 8:14 AM PST
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Wait, so you are implying that grass definitely affects our team negatively, without a doubt? You really think so?
Like, allergies or the intoxicating odor of freshly mown grass stalks or something?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 8, 2009 10:14 AM PST
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Ok let’s be reasonable here.
My comment:
“implies there is something here.”
Your comment:
“Wait, so you are implying that grass definitely affects our team negatively, without a doubt?”
“implies there is something” != “without a doubt”
What I’m saying is that it cannot be dismissed out of hand. If we needed everything to be statistically proven with margins of error, we’d never be anywhere in football statistics (or most to all sports). There just aren’t enough data points, there are no controls and there are too many other complicating factors (example: USC plays on grass. USC is farging good. If theoretically you only play on grass at USC, you might well never win a game and it would have nothing to do with the dang grass).
If we’re going down this road, pretty much this whole post needs to be abandoned. What does it mean that we’re 7-0 when ranked #11 – #15? Very little.
Look – I don’t think the grass has a large impact. I think it is an interesting point of discussion since the record, as limited in data points as they are, is pointing in a direction that I cannot ignore despite my initial impression that this whole grass thing is overblown/not a factor.
I cannot say it is not a factor. If it were not a factor then (1) the away grass record would be more close to away artificial than it is, even taking out USC. The records would be at that point 11-11 vs 13-6, a pretty good delta. (2) Tedford would not practice on grass the week of grass games. It is a factor, and I think we should discuss the concept rather than make snarky comments.
by tmoran3020 on
Jan 8, 2009 4:33 PM PST
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Terrible Post Roy!!! This is just sub-par all around!
rec’d!
No, I’m not The Maharg but thanks for thinking of me so highly.
by Maharg on
Jan 7, 2009 10:21 AM PST
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Was anyone else surprised that Cal does pretty good in morning games (sans Maryland)?
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 7, 2009 2:43 PM PST
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I was, actually
especially because no one plays morning games on the west coast, so they’re ALL road games. @ Air Force, @ Illinois, and the Armed Forces Bowl are the only 3 I can think of off the top of my head.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 7, 2009 2:53 PM PST
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Morning games mean less interesting matchups?
And possibly and underestimation of Cal’s potential?
by AndBears on
Jan 7, 2009 2:57 PM PST
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Anyone know what happened to Reggie Robertson?
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 7, 2009 4:47 PM PST
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Colts minicamp in 2005, signed w/Raiders in 2006 and went to NFLE.
KFFL – Reggie Robertson, QB, Free Agent
http://www.kffl.com/player/12241/nfl/news
by calbearz24 on
Jan 7, 2009 6:10 PM PST
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Poor guy
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:34 PM PST
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Some Observations
Great statistical analysis, lot of work and with so many variables there can be many critics.
My 2 observations are 1) Defense wins games, but, it seems Cal has to score more than 30 points to be successful; 2) The concern about what affectsCal’s success in LA is interesting. I’m from SoCal and my experience here is that UCLA and USC both have a very bad taste about Cal. They seem to feel the need to stomp on our neck. Put them on the field with 80,000 fans in the stands and it’s treacherous.
Maybe someone can compare other PAC-10 teams success in LA.
by speedo on
Feb 25, 2009 7:48 PM PST
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