carp's Pre-BCS Game Top 25
I placed these teams according to their resumes as the AP voting instructions encourage. I tried to ignore their previous rankings and judge these teams based on their body of work as a whole. As a result, you might see some swings that might be unusual. I don't think "previous ranking" is a strong criterion of how far up/down a team should go.
What do you think?
1.Florida – I think they win this by a TD or more. Only loss is a 1 point loss to Ole Miss. Beat FSU, Georgia, LSU, Bama, and OU. Best resume in the land, but they can thank FSU, LSU, and Ole Miss for improving down the stretch.
2. USC – Best team in the land. Whipped Oregon, Ohio St, and Penn St. Also beat Cal. Narrow loss to Ore St. Resume is hurt by the Big11 NOT the Pac10.
3. Utah – WORKED over ‘Bama on the road.
4. Oklahoma – I think they get embarrassed early and come back to make it a closer loss. Would rank them lower if I could. Best win is now TCU! Wins over Cincy, Texas Tech, and Okie St. Could change depending on how BCS game is played.
5. Texas – To me, they showed they were closer to Ohio St than they were to the teams mentioned vida supra. Best wins are Oklahoma, Ohio St, and Okie St. If any of these teams beat anyone else of significance I would rank them over OU. And I’m not impressed with Ohio St or the Big11. Actually, I’m not impressed with the Big 12 either so their victories earlier in the year are less impressive now.
6. TCU – This is a bit of a reach but I don’t think Bama deserves # 6. There best win is Boise St., narrowly lost to Utah, and kept OU to a low score.
7. Oregon – May be a bit of a surprise/reach…Probably the most impressive victories in the final few games. Lost early to Boise St., USC, and Cal who are now all ranked. A great example of not giving up on a season. Perhaps…these Ducks are a mightier opponent then USC next year.
8. Penn St – Best wins are Ore. St, Mich. St., and Ohio St.
9. Alabama – Lost to Florida and Utah…best win is over 3-loss Georgia…Clemson, LSU, and Auburn had disappointing seasons.
10. Boise St. - Best win is Oregon, but Oregon was down to their 5th QB and the Broncos had a cheap shot. Narrow loss to TCU makes them higher than I would have liked. Needs better OOC games if they want the glory.
11. Ole Miss – Best wins are Florida and Texas Tech…losses to Wake Forrest and South Carolina prevent this from being higher. Wake Forrest and Vandy were ranked when Ole Miss lost to them but have since tanked. Also have a narrow loss to Bama.
12. Oregon St – With the rise of Utah, USC, Oregon, and Cal, the Beavs W’s and L’s both look better. They also narrowly beat Pitt in the SunWind Bowl. Early loss to ‘furd hurts the most but at least they played people in their OOC games.
13. Virginia Tech – I hate the ACC due to too many teams who can beat/lose to anyone. Best wins are Cincy and Georgia Tech. Beat Maryland and BC when they were ranked.
14. Georgia – Best wins are LSU and Mich St (!) after ASU and Auburn went belly up.
15. Texas Tech – Best win is a narrow victory over Texas at home on the play of the year…deserves to drop due to poor OOC schedule and Big12 choke job.
16. Georgia Tech – Best win is Georgia. Also beat BC and Florida St. Lost badly to LSU to further confuse things.
17. Cal – Best wins are Mich St. and Oregon…L’s to Maryland and UofA hurt the most. Miami win counts more than most wins vs. 6-loss teams since the ACC is so convoluted and 4/6 losses were to ranked teams (including Florida). I can’t believe they were behind BC, E. Carolina, and WVU going into the bowls. A true sign the Pac-10 was not down but hated.
18. Florida St – All 4 loses were to teams who were ranked at some point in the season. Best win is Va Tech. Deserved better bowl opponent than Wisconsin and, if this happened, would have likely been ranked a little higher.
19. Ohio St. – Best win is Mich. St. Blew out ranked teams who then sucked down the stretch. Like Mich. St., the best part of their resume is that they lost to highly ranked teams.
20. Cincy – Best win is Pitt. Lost to UConn (in football).
21. Pitt – Best wins are Iowa and South Florida. Lost to Bowling Green and to Rutgers by 20. If Oregon St rises, then Pitt can’t fall that much.
22. Michigan St – Best win is 3 point win over Iowa. Other than that, the best part of their resume is that they lost to ranked teams.
23. Ok. St. – Best win is Missouri. Narrow loss to Texas and a 9-point loss to Oregon keep them ranked.
24. Iowa – Best win is Penn St. Also beat South Carolina who beat Ole Miss. 4 L’s were by 12 points combined. Behind MSU only because they lost to 7-loss Illinois and Northwestern. Struggled with justifying the ranking of 4 Big11 teams, but I also felt the Big12 shouldn’t have 5 ranked teams since the Big12 plays nobody in OOC games and they got exposed in the Bowl games.
25. LSU – Hard team to read. Best win is Georgia Tech…but they lost by a lot to Georgia and also lost to Arkansas. Very poor OOC schedule and 7 home games make me suspicious.
Other Teams Considered:
Missouri – Best win is Northwestern. Over-rated!
West Virginia – Lost early in the season on the road in OT to 7-loss Colorado. Also lost to E. Carolina, Cincy, and Pitt. Would have ranked them if E. Carolina would have beaten Kentucky.
BYU – Best win is over 8-loss UCLA. Lost to Zona by 10.
Ball St – Best win is Northwestern in Week 1. Lost to 5-loss Buffalo. Plays Tulsa at 5 pm tonight. Even if they win by 50 I’m not ranking them.
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I read this.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 6, 2009 12:35 PM PST
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i tried to put spaces inbetween each team, but It didn’t like it. Combined with the italics, I thought it would be easier to read. Now I think it might be harder to read….
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 12:49 PM PST
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Change whatever you did back to what it origiinally was. I read it then, but it looks harder to read now.
"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.
by Berkelium97 on
Jan 6, 2009 2:20 PM PST
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so exhausting…editing yet again.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 3:02 PM PST
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wow…it looks better now!
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 3:09 PM PST
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agreed!
"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
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by Berkelium97 on
Jan 6, 2009 3:14 PM PST
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looks good up until 3…
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 12:43 PM PST
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I’m waiting for danzig’s Top 25 Cheerleading Teams…
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 12:49 PM PST
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Bitach pls
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 6, 2009 12:59 PM PST
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Drop Pitt out. Move Iowa up.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on
Jan 6, 2009 1:42 PM PST
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who would you replace Pitt with? And how far would you put Iowa? I agree, Iowa’s looking rather impressive for an under the radar kind of team.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 2:05 PM PST
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Ball State? I don’t care if they play a bunch of beer kegs standing still – if they only have one loss the entire season, they deserve to be ranked.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 6, 2009 2:19 PM PST
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Bitach pls
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 3:01 PM PST
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what if they played 12 I-AA teams?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 6, 2009 3:47 PM PST
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Then they’d be in Division 1-AA and worthy of a spot on the Division 1-AA Top 25.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 6, 2009 4:26 PM PST
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yeah, i think Ball State would be one of the Top 25 teams in division I-AA.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jan 6, 2009 7:41 PM PST
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the might have a shot in future years if they can build a program, and find BCS teams who can play them. Having another team or two in the MAC that actually beats somebody might help.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 7:43 PM PST
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lol, still think this?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 6, 2009 8:06 PM PST
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how far down for TCU and how far up for Cal? Why?
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 2:07 PM PST
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How about Cal @ 14 and 14-16 sliding down a spot?
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 3:22 PM PST
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I should have said…if anyone else wants to post their Top 25’s or explanations of particular teams, please do so!
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 3:18 PM PST
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Utah
They’re losing their starting quarterback, running back, top wide receiver, and tight end. They shouldn’t be third.
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by Rated-R Superstar on
Jan 6, 2009 3:41 PM PST
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but it’s not a preseason 2009 poll…it’s a final 2008 poll.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 3:44 PM PST
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Whoops
Then I apologize, sir, but I think Ohio State fell too far down and TCU rose too high up.
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by Rated-R Superstar on
Jan 6, 2009 3:48 PM PST
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I might spot you TCU…I might have put them there because I couldn’t justify putting Bama, or Penn St any higher. I liked that they only lost to Utah by 3 so, in my opinion TCU > Penn St > Bama. Perhaps it should be
6. Oregon
7. TCU
8. Boise St
9. Penn St.
10. Bama
but I think that’s a little high for Oregon (who’s best wins are Ore. St and Okie St.) and Boise St. So, while TCU might seem high, I don’t really see how they could be lower based on their resume juxtaposed to everyone elses.
Ohio St’s best win is Mich St. Admittedly, It’s tough to separate 16-19.
- GaTech, Cal, and VaTech have 2 nice wins and at least one of those wins were against teams that are ranked ahead of them. I can’t say the same for Ohio St. Would have been different if they beat Texas.
As I said in the intro, I didn’t pay attention to the change (or "delta") in poll places as I think this is flawed logic.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 4:04 PM PST
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Transistive property NEVER works in College Football
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 6, 2009 4:43 PM PST
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what’s transistive property? U mean transitive?
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 4:51 PM PST
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I think you mean to say transvestite
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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 6, 2009 5:32 PM PST
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I don’t think you can have a 4-loss Cal team at #17, a 3-loss Oregon at #7. There are just too many 1 and 2 loss teams for Oregon to be that high.
Go Bears!
by RollOnYouBears667 on
Jan 6, 2009 5:42 PM PST
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Carp thinks the Pac-10 rules, Big 12 drools
It’ll balance out the SEC homer votes.
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Jan 6, 2009 5:49 PM PST
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more or less
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:06 PM PST
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I hate that saying
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:06 PM PST
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so…why’d you use it?
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:06 PM PST
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not sure…perhaps I should have studied language in colledge.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:07 PM PST
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"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.
by Berkelium97 on
Jan 6, 2009 6:19 PM PST
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rec’d!
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:30 PM PST
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I’m a big believer in Strength of Schedule so zero, one, two, three, or four losses are in the context of who have you played. Not impressed with T-Tech’s 11-2 season (as you can see) based on 4 patsies played OOC in a conference that hasn’t proven anything either in OOC or bowl games.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:05 PM PST
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importance of results:
- a win against a quality opponent is the best result
- a quality loss is better than a cupcake win (see Florida St)
- the magnitude of these wins/losses matter but not excessively so (not a big fan of running up the score).
- lots of cupcake wins in a conference who plays cupcakes is not rewarded (Cincy, TTech, Ohio St, Boise St, and even Utah to some extent)
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:18 PM PST
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A true sign the Pac-10 was not down but hated.
100% agree.
by danzig on
Jan 6, 2009 6:15 PM PST
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Oh cmon we're a little bit down.
No two BCS schools should combine for a 2-23(4?) record.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 6, 2009 6:18 PM PST
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true, but if ASU and UCLA replaced Oregon St or Oregon/Cal in the standings (thereby meeting preseason expectations) I think we never would have heard about the pac-10 is down. If UDub and Wazzou were a bit better then that would have helped too. There are bad teams in every conference (I think?).
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:22 PM PST
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true, but if ASU and UCLA replaced Oregon St or Oregon/Cal in the standings (thereby meeting preseason expectations) I think we never would have heard about the pac-10 is down. If UDub and Wazzou were a bit better then that would have helped too. There are bad teams in every conference (I think?).
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:22 PM PST
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wow…a double post…how did that happen?
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:44 PM PST
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But they were fighting over rights to the Somalia Bowl!
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 6, 2009 6:23 PM PST
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Now who would ever a sponsor a thing like tha-----oh, right

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by Spazzy Mcgee on
Jan 6, 2009 6:43 PM PST
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An RPG on a glorified rowboat? Now I’ve seen everything!
"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.
by Berkelium97 on
Jan 6, 2009 7:45 PM PST
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Not everything!

In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 7, 2009 1:23 AM PST
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What nosense!
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 7, 2009 7:04 AM PST
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A few of our teams are down, but all conferences go through normal fluctuations from year to year.
However, the constant negative PR blitz after losses to the Mountain West (which is actually a good conf now) have been unfair…. they are painting everything we do with the taint of those Mountain West losses.
The real question is how will this taint affect the number of Pac10 teams in the pre-season rankings.
by danzig on
Jan 6, 2009 6:55 PM PST
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I wonder if they feel guilty for ranking ASU and UCLA so highly and felt obligated to show how bad the conference was to cover up their lack of foresight.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 6:59 PM PST
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Good point… I’m positive that added to the press’ motivation.
by danzig on
Jan 6, 2009 7:10 PM PST
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MWC is a significantly better conference than the Sun Belt or whatever the SEC plays these days. It’s probably better than the Big East and ACC this year.
And the winning record is a result of the top of the MWC against the bottom of the Pac-10. Whoo.
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by Rishi on
Jan 6, 2009 7:09 PM PST
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Point well taken, but consider it was also a perfect storm of circumstances that led to UW and WSU’s combined 2-23 —
(1) Neither team was particularly good (and WSU was downright awful);
(2) Pac-10 plays a true round robin schedule (a guaranteed extra loss); and
(3) Of the combined 6 non-conference games they played, 4 were against opponents from BCS conferences (and one of the non-BCS conference games was UW’s game vs. BYU, which was highly ranked at the time).
No. 1 above could happen to 2 teams in any BCS conference in a given year. See Big T1e1n this year — Michigan and Indiana were not good; see also Big 12 North, where Iowa State and K-State were pretty bad. But Nos. 2 and 3 can’t typically happen to 2 teams in another BCS conference. No one else plays a round robin conference sked and it’s rare for other BCS conference teams to have a non-conference slate like UW and WSU combined to have this year.
I’m not trying to be a UW/WSU apologist. They were both pretty bad, no question, and that contributed to the Pac-10 being down. But their schedules didn’t help them.
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by Ohio Bear on
Jan 6, 2009 9:28 PM PST
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UDub played a pretty brutal OOC schedule.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 7, 2009 7:05 AM PST
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agreed…UW played OU, BYU, and Notre Dame (I think). Wazzou played Okie St pretty well. That should count for something.
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by carp on
Jan 7, 2009 7:21 AM PST
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Ball State doing their best to make you look silly for mentioning them.
by CaliforniaBone on
Jan 6, 2009 7:53 PM PST
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yeah…that’s a bit misleading. I probably should have put Ball St under “why I didn’t even consider them” rather than “also considered”
I would have put Zona under “why I didn’t even consider them” since they lost to New Mexico (hey, better than the Old Mexico) and ’furd. If they would have won 1 out of 2, I would have ranked them.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 7:55 PM PST
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I’m biased, but you can’t seriously assume that OU loses to Florida and rank them ahead of Texas.
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Jan 6, 2009 9:53 PM PST
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it's close, but I think I can seriously assume this
- TTech’s not as good as they were earlier in the year. Ibid entire Big12
- I don’t really buy the Cotton Bowl as a neutral field.
- they almost lost to Ohio St. Let that sink in for a minute.
- their OOC schedule is bad.
- OU’s OOC schedule is significantly better and played in a better bowl game against a better bowl opponent.
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by carp on
Jan 6, 2009 10:35 PM PST
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On Ohio State
I’m going to quote a short passage from Scout.com (there’s your link Twist, I’m not going to keep two non-work-related windows open for this) to give perspective on Ohio State:
Over the last four years, Ohio State has gone 43-8 with four straight trips to the BCS. Two of the losses were in national championships (which is far more forgivable than this group ever got credit for), one was to a Texas team that probably belonged in the national championship, one was to a USC team that would probably win the national championship if there was some sort of a playoff, one was to a Penn State team that won the Big Ten title and played in the Rose Bowl, one was to an Illinois team that played in the 2008 Rose Bowl, one was to a 2005 Penn State team that went 11-1, won the Big Ten title, and won the Orange Bowl, and the other was to the Vince Young-led 2005 national champion Texas team. The eight losses came to teams teams that went a combined 93-12 (that’s an 89% winning percentage) and finished their seasons in the BCS. Let that sink in for a moment. In the end, this year’s Ohio State senior class didn’t lose to a dud team, had big wins over Notre Dame in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl, at Texas in 2006, and beat Michigan four straight times (five straight if you count a redshirt year of 2004) including the 2006 powerhouse. This will be remembered as an extremely great group that showed tremendous resiliency, but it simply wasn’t good enough to be at the top of the mountain. However, these seniors came very, very close.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 7, 2009 7:24 AM PST
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They had only 3 signature wins (I don’t count ND or the last 2 games vs Michigan) out of 11 tries.
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by carp on
Jan 7, 2009 7:42 AM PST
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I mean, the fact being that Ohio State gets an unfair knock for losing the last two NC Games (and to USC since). But I’d rather be there than not even have a chance to play for the title.
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by Rishi on
Jan 7, 2009 7:55 AM PST
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I’m not an Ohio State fan by any means, but that seems a bit harsh. The win over ND in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl is discounted? Say what you want about ND, but the 2005 Irish were pretty good with Brady Quinn and Jeff Samardwhatever. (They were a clutch Leinart 4th down play and a Reggie Bush push from beating SC that year.) And I don’t think it’s fair to say their ‘07 win at Michigan doesn’t “count” — that was a ranked team at the time, with Henne and Hart, which went on to beat Florida in a bowl game. And if you go through Ohio State’s 05, 06, and 07 schedules, I think you’d find plenty of wins against ranked opponents — home and road. They’ve beaten some good ranked (albeit not necessarily powerhouse) Wisconsin, Iowa, and Penn State teams in the last 3 or 4 years.
The wife would be so proud of me defending the honor of Ohio State…
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by Ohio Bear on
Jan 7, 2009 11:44 AM PST
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I'd count 06 UM before I count 07 UM
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jan 7, 2009 11:51 AM PST
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I figured he was already counting that one.
Realizing just how much Aaron Rodgers spoiled us.
by Ohio Bear on
Jan 7, 2009 12:13 PM PST
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No.
Teams that lose to Ohio State do not count as legitimate teams.
Ohio State is not a good team because they have not defeated any legitimate teams.
Also, any team that beats Ohio State by less than fifty points is overrated.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 7, 2009 12:20 PM PST
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Also, any team that beats Ohio State by less than fifty points is overrated.
I think the Giants did that last year.
Realizing just how much Aaron Rodgers spoiled us.
by Ohio Bear on
Jan 7, 2009 2:20 PM PST
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And how overrated they are!
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 7, 2009 3:01 PM PST
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- TTech’s not as good as they were earlier in the year. Ibid entire Big12
Texas Almost Beat them in Tech which is crazy to play at annually, earlier in the year. This arguement also discredits OU’s win over them. Additionally, UT had many key players missing and had just played 3 top 12 teams (no byes no mediocre teams), so UT was physically depleted when they played Tech.
- I don’t really buy the Cotton Bowl as a neutral field.
Dallas is actually closer to Norman, Oklahoma that Austin (its about a 3 hour drive from both campuses). I lived in Dallas for 6 months there are about as many OU fans as Texas fans. The field is split 50/50 you can see it on TV one half orange, one half crimson.
- they almost lost to Ohio St. Let that sink in for a minute.
But they won. They beat USC and Michigan in the last second. They pull it out. Its not a coincidence. And tOSU’s strengths match up with UT’s weaknesses. tOSU has elite athletes. It’s a match up between two top 10 teams the game is supposed to be close.
- their OOC schedule is bad.
FAU – bowl winner 7-5
Rice – bowl winner 10-3
Arkansas – SEC team, beat LSU
UTEP – (not that good) 5-7 in conference USA
- OU’s OOC schedule is significantly better and played in a better bowl game against a better bowl opponent.
Yes, they played Cinci and TCU, but don’t forget their other OOC games were against Washington and you know Washington, and Chattanooga which only won one game.
OU’s opponents won 23 games and Texas’ won 27.
aren’t these polls who would win on a neutral playing field? when two teams are so ranked closely the team with head to head win especially if its on a neutral site.
A win over OU is better than a win over TCU
by Longhorn@Berkeley on
Jan 7, 2009 7:38 AM PST
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If Arkansas cracked the Top 25 for a few weeks then I think that could have been the difference.
Win over OU is bettern than a win over TCU but, as you can see in my poll, TCU’s pretty darn good so it’s not THAT big of a differrence.
Bottom line, both teams scheduled 1 or 2 A/B opponents and it was pure luck that determined how good these OOC games would be. OU’s happened to be an A+ and an A-/B+ while Texas’ only decent OOC game was a B/B-. In years past, this could hve been reversed.
I’ll spot you the Cotton Bowl argument, but there is still TX after Dallas…
Texas Tech and the Big12 got exposed and that’s their fault.
3 top 12 teams
I take issue with this. This should be 3 perceived top 12 teams because, once exposed, they ain’t top 12 no more. At the time of these games NO ONE KNEW HOW GOOD THE BIG 12 WAS SO YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND IF YOU ARE REALLY PLAYING A TOP 12 TEAM OR JUST A 3RD/4TH PLACE DIVISIONAL OPPONENT. Now we know they’re not so hot.
The “won games” argument is too flawed to even address. You must have been a big fan of Boise St too.
The Big12 is very lucky to be playing in the NCG this year. They didn’t play anyone OOC (except OU) until it was too late to change it. This makes them bastards.
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by carp on
Jan 7, 2009 8:41 AM PST
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Big 12 South is great with healthy star recievers. Big 12 got knocked because it lost Cotton Bowl and Holiday Bowl. Both games featured Big 12 team with their star recievers (crabtree/ dez bryant) out/injured. These are not same teams Texas and OU played because they don’t have their star recievers healthy. Imagine Cal last year w/o desean. The other recievers are good, but really shine when coverage is spread because the opposing defense keys in on play makers. And to change a teams game plan losing a key player in mid-game. . .
I’m not saying Texas has the best OOC schedule, but it isn’t cream puffs.
by Longhorn@Berkeley on
Jan 7, 2009 9:14 AM PST
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thanks for the 2 recs! Not sure who it was, but thanks nonetheless!
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by carp on
Jan 7, 2009 7:17 AM PST
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USC
I’m not sure scheduling premier Big11 opponents is a good thing anymore for Cal or any other primo Pac-10 team. I’m still stoked that we play Ohio St (and big boys in general) in future years, but I think it would be more beneficial to play an SEC or Big12 power. Especially since the Big11 primo team plays the Pac10 primo team in the Rose Bowl.
The loss/reward balance is off in this relationship.
In fact, of the Big East/ACC/Big11, I’d rather schedule a game against a bonafide primo Big East/ACC team that will get into a BCS Bowl. Cincinnatti was a perfect game for OU to schedule and, combined with TCU, made the difference in OU playing in the title game over Texas. OU beat Cincy, and Cincy made the Orange Bowl. It’s maximizing your strength of schedule in the eyes of voters/CPUs. But, if Cincy sucked like Maryland/Miami sucked this year, then the loss/reward would have been significantly less. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s possible to schedule an OOC opponent like this on purpose since these things have to be hammered out eons in advance for whatever reasons. Unless, of course, a USC/OU/Florida type program emerges from the Big East/ACC.
If USC hadn’t play two games against supposedly Big11 powers than I think they’d be national champs. Or, if Virgina was really good (or somehow added “Tech” after "Virginia") and made the Orange Bowl, then USC would have made the NCG for sure.
In conclusion, until such a day comes, I strongly suggest we look to the Big12/SEC powers for our “A” OOC game so that W’s and L’s are assured of looking good. Maryland/Colorado/Minnesota matchups aren’t good “A” games even though these are A-level opponents. These are like B/B+/A- games. We need an A+ opponent I guess.
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by carp on
Jan 7, 2009 8:00 AM PST
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I agree with you. The A/B/C approach is good, but I want that A to be an A+.
Tennessee was good. I want more. I want us to play a Texas, a Florida, an LSU.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 7, 2009 8:03 AM PST
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that sounds excellent
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by carp on
Jan 7, 2009 8:41 AM PST
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Maybe when half our team is from Texas. We’re not quite used to the humidity down there. That 2006 loss was hard to stomach.
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 7, 2009 2:08 PM PST
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2006 loss? Are you blaming the Tennessee loss on humidity?
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 7, 2009 3:00 PM PST
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I’ll blame it on many things. But it was mostly your fault.
by BearsNecessity on
Jan 8, 2009 1:03 AM PST
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it’s ok to lose road games to great teams. It’s not ok to lose road games to bad teams.
so, if Texas were to make a BCS bowl that year, I’d be ok with that. Of course, a win would be nice and those sumsabitches look beatable.
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by carp on
Jan 8, 2009 7:00 AM PST
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I was the one who switched Syd’Quan from WR to CB for that day as a practical joke. Sorry.
I have no new information on that at this time.
by Rishi on
Jan 8, 2009 7:10 AM PST
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