Fiesta Bowl Open Thread

by TwistNHook on Jan 5, 2009 4:00 PM PST in Football Comment 117 comments

Use this thread to discuss the Fiesta Bowl. The game starts at 5 PM Pacific Standard Time and is being broadcast on Fox. It pains me to say this, because I've never warmed to those continual runners up from the midwest, but Go Buckeyes! Beat The Longhorns!

Poll

Who do you think will win in the Fiesta Bowl?

Texas

59 votes

Ohio State

20 votes

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Does anyone else dislike the Fox broadcasts? Their analysts are okay, but I really dislike the advertisers on Fox broadcasts. It all feels too much like the NFL (which I can understand, given their focus on the pros). I look forward to the year when ESPN/ABC has rights over the BCS games

"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.

by Berkelium97 on Jan 5, 2009 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Fox pieces together a college football crew for the BCS, while ESPN covers a majority of the games throughout the course of the season. Another positive about ESPN broadcasting the BCS is that (I’m not completely sure about this, just guessing) then games may be on ESPN classic. I presume games shown on fox don’t end up on ESPN classic, not that I always watch ESPN classic, it’s just that being able to see the Boise State Fiesta Bowl would be nice, or any other potential great games that happen in the BCS in the future.

by rollonubears on Jan 5, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

With a new offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, and mostly new defense, USC is going to have trouble with this Ohio St team next year.

"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.

by Berkelium97 on Jan 5, 2009 5:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ohio St. is looking okay so far

Big 12 is looking less and less impressive (in my eyes, anyway haha).

by Mister Pie on Jan 5, 2009 6:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm very much regretting...

My pick of Oklahoma in the title game…

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jan 5, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If Ohio State didn’t keep on making those stupid penalties on 3rd down they’d have laced a TD on the board.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 6:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

the FOX announcer

just used the words “out yardage-ed” and “out time-of-possession-ed”

wow

by giantfan5 on Jan 5, 2009 6:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

sounds like announcing this type of game is out-of-his-league……d

Sheriff of the Welcome Team
In Spite of Twist!

by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 5, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

big 12 unimpressive so far

this whole bowl season the conference has looked very mediocre considering all the hype

by GoldenBear421 on Jan 5, 2009 6:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I hope there is some criticism of their weak nonconference schedules if the remaining Big 12 teams go on to lose their bowl games. It wasn’t until the bowl season that many of us realized how overrated these teams are.

"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.

by Berkelium97 on Jan 5, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve been saying it on this blog the whole season…

I hate spread offenses. Let it be KNOWN!

This Texas team has so little NFL talent, it’s amazing.

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Jan 5, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

awwww…. Texas fans sad… suck it.

by AndBears on Jan 5, 2009 6:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Colt McCoy's sister is amazing

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Or his gf

Can’t tell which.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can’t it be both?

"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.

by Berkelium97 on Jan 5, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

flagged!

by AndBears on Jan 5, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh gee, thanks for that mental picture.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Rec’d!!

Sheriff of the Welcome Team
In Spite of Twist!

by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 5, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Girlfriend

Hmm…she looked hotter at the game.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd hit it.

I bet she’d like me better too because her boyfriend looks like hasn’t gone through puberty yet.

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Jan 5, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sheriff of the Welcome Team
In Spite of Twist!

by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 5, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

dude wtf

Georgia did zeppelin for their halftime show at the capital one bowl, Texas is sooo unoriginal

by GoldenBear421 on Jan 5, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

shoot

did I miss ohio state? what was their halftime?

by AndBears on Jan 5, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure what the theme was,

They were shown playing the William Tell Overture’s finale and the can-can.

by Yes We Cannon on Jan 5, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Am I the only one who hates their self-proclaimed “Best Damn Band In the Land” bullshit?

Realizing just how much Aaron Rodgers spoiled us.

by Ohio Bear on Jan 5, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

(psst… cal band stole this, but uses it sparingly)

by AndBears on Jan 5, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Quite sparingly, apparently, because I’ve never heard the Cal band use it. You can’t go a day here without hearing it/seeing it about tOSU band at least once.

Realizing just how much Aaron Rodgers spoiled us.

by Ohio Bear on Jan 5, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think anything makes me more mad than those questionable late hit calls on the QB

GOD DAMN!

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Jan 5, 2009 7:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Fantastic drive of fail by the Fuckeyes

Two late hits on the QB, two fourth down conversions.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 7:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Horrible late hit calls

Make me want to puke and scream at the same time.

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Jan 5, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jim Tressel is terrible

So many penalties. And now they’re not even getting to the LOS in time for the snap. If McCoy wasn’t so bad they’d be down by 20 by now.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I’m beginning to think that the reason BCS bowls are getting crappy ratings is because teams never seem to play well in them. Other than USC pretty much every team has played below its potential.

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The Stormin Mormons want to have a word with you.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

damn, knew I forgot one of the games

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm...

Might it have something to do with a month layoff?

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jan 5, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Man I so want to play Texas next year in a bowl game

Colt McCoy is looking ordinary against a defense that got owned by USC. I’m less than impressed by him.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

My TV isn’t working. Is there a live feed I could watch on?

Go Bears!

by RollOnYouBears667 on Jan 5, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

http://www.justin.tv/timmex

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Robiskie on the other hand

Very impressive. Think he might have an NFL future.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Wow. Nice throw. QB to QB. Touchdown.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The DB looked pathetic on that play

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s like he thought even though Pryor was looking at the ball and jumping, that he didn’t believe the ball was actually coming.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

or that he was 6' and Pryor's 6'6"

No shot.

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Jan 5, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Still though

Syd and Darian are both short – but they’d never let a guy catch a ball uncontested. It looked like a game of three flies up where one of the guys doesn’t want to play anymore

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hydro, you should call Tedford

First play of the season, Riley throws fade route to Mansion, who stiffarms Maryland’s cornerback to the end zone.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

That would be a dream come true for Mansion – and me.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can we get rid of all the Mack Browns?

The crybaby conveniently ignored the terrible roughing the passer call late in the first half and is complaining about a legit pass interference call. Its too late to throw tantrums Mack. Everyone’s used to your ignorant whining.

by CaliforniaBone on Jan 5, 2009 8:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

McCoy has been bad today

His throws have been either really long or really weak. He’s only done well on the cross routes to the middle of the field.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

His arm is really tired from throwing for 500 yards against crappy big 12 defenses

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So what’s wrong with Chris Wells? I missed it. You’d think a heisman hopeful would help out unless he’s physically unable to.

by CaliforniaBone on Jan 5, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Possible concussion

Realizing just how much Aaron Rodgers spoiled us.

by Ohio Bear on Jan 5, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

OPI.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

wow

lucky DPI and OPI

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

At least this'll end Texas's hope for a split title

Win or lose, they have not been convincing at all.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like the defense started it, and Pryor continued it. Bah.

by CaliforniaBone on Jan 5, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Am I missing something?

Why in the hell do you go for it?

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

They still need to kick the XP to win

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Make the 2 pointer, and you’re up 6, which is only useful if TX misses an extra point

Miss the 2 pointer and if TX gets a TD you’re down three and can only tie with a FG

Kick the PAT and if TX gets a TD you can kick a FG to win

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Norcalnick is right

And the Buckeyes only needed one or two quick completions after that backed-up-by-penalty kick-off to get into field-goal range.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Jan 6, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That seems like a really short spot.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

nevermind, it looks like they moved the ball up from where they originally were going to spot it.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

My ears!

Lots of muffled curse words just made national TV

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Jeebus, I forgot about this game

But the last few minutes are darn entertaining.

alaska A residing in colorado.

by ak_A on Jan 5, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Sweatervest isn’t going to win this one.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I hope you’re wrong. >.<

by CaliforniaBone on Jan 5, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm glad he's right...

Living in the Midwest, OSU fans are some of the worst fans in existence, by a million miles.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jan 5, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d believe it.

But mack brown is a tool. And mccoy is a puss.

by CaliforniaBone on Jan 5, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Brown is a tool...

Though I think McCoy is pretty badass. He’s been pressured much of the game, and much of the year, and still pulled off that drive. He made pretty much all of Texas offense this year.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Jan 5, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

True that.

I’m still biased though.

It’s gonna be a disgusting day of sports news tomorrow.

by CaliforniaBone on Jan 5, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As Rishi would say...

This.

Realizing just how much Aaron Rodgers spoiled us.

by Ohio Bear on Jan 5, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Rec’d for saying “This”.

I have no new information on that at this time.

by Rishi on Jan 6, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just tOSU fans?

I went to grad school in Madison, and I left with a seething hatred for the Big 10. Most annoying fans in the world.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Jan 6, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol sweatervest.

when i see that guy in his red vest, i mutter “diamond jim-dandy-freaking- tressel”.

alaska A residing in colorado.

by ak_A on Jan 5, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

inconclusive evidence to overturn the spot. good call, ref.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

ah damn it

by Mister Pie on Jan 5, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

omg

what a throw.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

This is absurd.

What kind of coverage was that??? HOW IS NO ONE BACK THERE?

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

seriously, iw ant to see the replay. where was the safety???

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

it happened so fast, did he just split the LBs?

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow.

Go Bears!

by RollOnYouBears667 on Jan 5, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

damn Texas

wish they had played and gotten crushed by USC

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

WHY THE FUCK IS THE HEISMAN AWARED BEFORE THESE BOWLS?????

by danzig on Jan 5, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

McCoy didn't deserve it for this one

Buckeyes handed it to him with their soft zone coverage.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course not… but the award should be given based on your body of work.. and what the frick sense does it make to NOT include the player’s most IMPORTANT work?

Makes no sense that Colt’s performance today of 40/58@71% and 3TDs doesn’t count. What if Bradford has even a better day and Colt had won the award weeks prior. Doesn’t make logical sense, that’s all.

by danzig on Jan 5, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah… Colt threw for 413 yards. Not that it mattered for the Heisman, but I think we’d kill for numbers like that.

by danzig on Jan 5, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The bowls are exhibition though

Except for the NCG. The regular season is the body of work which got you there.

There’s a Heisman for the bowl season, and that’s the National Championship MVP.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Would you think the same if it was Best that was snubbed?

This is a nonsensical argument.

1) The soft coverage was the right coverage… would you have played MAN FREE on that down/distance/situation?

2) Heisman takes into account how far your team goes… no matter how good your player is, if you don’t get far in the rankings you don’t win… so what sense does it make to stop this “advancement” criteria at the end of your season?

3) The Heisman awards the best player in college football… so you’re saying it should only include the body of work in your CONFERENCE? What if someone from the WAC won the award and Colt had a perf like tonight… wouldn’t you complain?

Fuck Mack Brown and his brown nosing the voters… but I’m just saying the Heisman should be awarded after all the games are played.

by danzig on Jan 5, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No, not really. I don’t give a damn about the Heisman Trophy. It’s a silly award and a media-driven frenzy fest where QBs and RBs win 98% of the time. As good as Best has been this season, Alex Mack and Tau’ufo’ou have been just as valuable for him in opening up the holes he’s had to make his big gains.

If I were to go by performance from both regular season and bowls and give a Heisman, I’d give it to Oher from Ole Miss, and he wouldn’t win in a million years.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No, not really. I don’t give a damn about the Heisman Trophy. It’s a silly award and a media-driven frenzy fest where QBs and RBs win 98% of the time.

If this is the case, then why do you make judgments on who does or doesn’t deserve the award? You seem to care a lot.

by danzig on Jan 5, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Because the bowl season is totally separate from the regular season. They’re separated by four-six weeks. We’ve seen pretty good college players totally stink it up like Harrell and Crabtree, and players like McCoy struggle mightily. The variance for their performances is much higher. To extend the Heisman to the bowl season seems rather silly especially considering they award MVPs for these performances.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jahvid Best echoes your claim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsMgMfUHUyM&feature=channel_page

by rollonubears on Jan 5, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As for the playing exclusively zone coverage…McCoy was the most accurate passer in the country, and you’ve played pretty good man free coverage the entire game. Why would you play off the receiver and allow him the chance to make the completion? He’s struggled throwing into coverage all game. Play man up, delay blitz him out of the pocket, etc. He was flustered anytime you rushed him in the pocket.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Too easy to answer: A field goal with on 38 seconds left doesn’t win the game.

by danzig on Jan 5, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah and they were at the 25 yard line with 25 seconds left with two timeouts. Ohio State was way too charitable in their coverage.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

poor linebacker depth due to the fake blitz

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

safety had no chance due to the shallow linebackers

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah Ohio State’s D was really terrible on this final possession. Then again they’ve been terrible all second half.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

fake blitz sure did screw OSU.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Congrats UT

You barely beat a bumbling stumbling Ohio State team that stunk the joint in the second half. Now start whining about how you deserve a split title. Ugh.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

exciting game and finish.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jan 5, 2009 8:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Damn it I really wanted Texas to lose

by Mister Pie on Jan 5, 2009 8:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

So what's the CGB footing consensus for the National Championship?

I think I’m leaning Florida, but I could be convinced otherwise.

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

footing? i mean rooting

by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oklahoma in an ugly game? I just like BCS chaos.

I have no new information on that at this time.

by Rishi on Jan 5, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The title of Rishi's first fanpost: "I like BCS chaos"

The Rishi Hour, debuting soon at the CGB!

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Admit it, you missed my posts for the time I was away from CGB.

I have no new information on that at this time.

by Rishi on Jan 5, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I sense you have a future, like the slumdog millionaire!

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It is written!

Jai Ho!

I have no new information on that at this time.

by Rishi on Jan 6, 2009 7:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I tell yah, I had forgotten all about

that Mack Brown s.o.b. but after seeing his mug on the tv after the game…..I am not so thrilled with the Texas win.

alaska A residing in colorado.

by ak_A on Jan 5, 2009 8:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Have to give credit to Burnt Orange Nation

They know how to find good flash gifs.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 8:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

That was a mighty fine series of gifs. That’s on par with a thread full of zoonews’ photoshopped images.

"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.

by Berkelium97 on Jan 5, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Claim to the NC

This could be a huge mess. It really depends what happens on the 8th, but there could be as many as four teams with some sort of legit claim to the NCG.

Florida is really there on strength of winning the SEC and that win over Alabama. However, what team looked better against Bama, Utah or Florida?

Let’s say Oklahoma beats Florida in a really ugly game. Oklahoma deserves the NC by virtue of winning the game. However, Texas ended the season out with a win and they still beat Oklahoma on a neutral field. Utah, as mentioned, beat a really good Alabama team by a wide margin – much more than Florida did. Finally, USC will win the best team at the end of the season award for the third year in a row. Dominated Penn State, coupled with the Pac-10’s 5-0 bowl record, it’s gotta mean something. Of course, that brings up the Utah beat Oregon State which beat USC.

I really hope Utah wins an AP National Championship.

I have no new information on that at this time.

by Rishi on Jan 5, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Who had the more impressive win over Ohio State though? Texas or USC?

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, even better. More arguments!

And, seriously, USC would be favoured against any other team in the country right now. Hell, they probably (no exaggeration) would be favoured against the Detroit Lions.

I have no new information on that at this time.

by Rishi on Jan 5, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Florida would probably be 1 point favorites against the Trojans on a neutral field. Other than that, agreed.

by BearsNecessity on Jan 5, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I really have a feeling that Florida isn’t as good as people think they are, especially after Bama got exposed (not to put down Utah, though – as mentioned, they deserve a shot at the title in my book). Too bad they have Oklahoma to prove it against.

That said, when you have a bunch of one-loss teams (and one undefeated non Big Six team) that have legit claims to the title, either you have to accept that the winner of the BCS NCG is not necessarily the best team in the country, or you need a plus-one system. Especially since the title was decided by strength of the Big XII (overrated – see Texas Tech, Mizzou, and Oklahoma State) and the strength of the SEC, especially over Bama (overrated – see, well, Utah destroying Bama).

I have no new information on that at this time.

by Rishi on Jan 6, 2009 7:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I really dislike Mack Brown

He seems to be everything wrong with college football. He’s like the George Bush of coaches – he’s got that well-practiced (but obviously fake) “aw shucks” schtick going, but his hubris and arrogance are unmatched.

And all this talk about Texas being #1 becaue they beat tOSU? The same tOSU that got destroyed by $C? What about Utah? I suppose their going undefeated and dismantling Bama doesn’t count, huh? And what about $C? They pretty well dominated every game and only lost a close one to a much better than assumed Oregon State. Oh, but that loss should knock them out of consideration, while the texasshole loss to texas tech is okay.

I really with Brown would just go away and stay away.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by SoCal Oski on Jan 6, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs