Long Weekend DBD 1.17.09, 1.18.09, 1.19.09 I Declare You Sanchez!
by Rishi on Jan 17, 2009 11:43 AM PST
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PrintIn celebration of our new entirely worthless meme on CGB, I declare all of you Sanchez!
But not to despair! Like being fired by Al Davis, being declared Sanchez is a mark that would ordinarily be seen as shameful but it is also a mark that can turn into a measure of pride.
Here is a short list of people who have been declared Sanchez who went on to lead successful lives anyway:
- Nate Longshore after his victory against Oregon in 2007
- Matt Leinart at the beginning of his preseason game against Oakland
- Jake Delhomme before playing his first playoff game this year
- Dick Fuld on September 14th, 2008
- TwistNHook before every court case
As you can see, all these men currently lead successful lives and are satisfied with all the success they are currently achieving.
Now, onto the links...
Wait, college football season is over, rivals is down, and I have no access to recruiting information. Maybe someone else shoulda posted this?
Well, apparently there's some sort of Cal basketball game against Stanford and a couple NFL playoff games between some avian teams (and one team involving metal) tomorrow.
Post on!
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Sean Quinn getting royally screwed by the NCAA; might not be a Golden Bear next year
The problem is that Quinn enrolled at Austin Community College the year after he graduated and was taking 12 units. He hadn’t intended to play football at that time. But when the possibility of playing football arose in the first few weeks of school, he was told he needed to keep his units below 12 to not start his eligibility clock. He withdrew from a class before the 5 week deadline and thought he was fine until this month. The NCAA’s saying that he didn’t drop his class early enough and that the clock started then. They also suspected he played football his first year but they don’t even have a football program.
The problem now is that if he only had 1 year of eligibility coming into Cal, he’d have to come in with 75% of his units completed and he hasn’t.
At this point in time, he hasn’t appealed. He really needs to because it sounds like he’s getting screwed.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 17, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions
More fucking prose and logic from Conquest Chronicles
by BearsNecessity on Jan 17, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions
Mack Brown would’ve voted Texas #1.
Yes, the Fiesta Bowl win over Ohio State was nice, but Ohio State got creamed by USC. The Buckeyes also lost to Penn State, who ALSO got creamed by USC. And the win over Oklahoma? Well, the Sooners got beat by Florida in the NCG. And sure, the one loss to Texas Tech was a last-second one, but the Red Raiders lost badly to Ole Miss in the Cotton Bowl (the same Ole Miss who was Florida’s lone defeat).
What exactly is his argument for #1 again?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
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by BearsNecessity on Jan 17, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
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You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 17, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 17, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
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It's spelled "M-A-R-C-H-I-N-G-B-A-N-D."
I support inroywetrust in his support of The VD Special in his support of me supporting Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
BUT...!
What type of noodle? It could make all the difference.
by CaliforniaCMB on Jan 18, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
UCLA goes down at home against ASU
Observations: UCLA didn’t deal with ASU’s zone nearly as well as we did. However, they did a much better job defensively against ASU generally and Harden (until the end) then we did.
What’s clear is that UCLA, while still very much the favorite, isn’t head and shoulders above the pack. The conference is very much up for grabs. Important gut check win for ASU – they needed a road win desperately after losing to Cal and USC
Content probably on BN right now:
ZOMG BEN BALL WARRIORS LOST FIRE CBH, JH AND AA WERE HORRIBLE TODAY, NO NO IT’S ALL DORRELL’S FAULT.
probably
although Nestor just did leave this comment at the top of his postgame thread:
Also a note for drive by posters
Any trolling, attacking of our team will not be tolerated here on BN.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
UCLA just sucks...
We should beat them.
Darren Collison…. don’t make me laugh
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 17, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
A GENERAL STATE OF SANCHEZ HAS BEEN DECLARED. I REPEATED A STATE OF SANCHEZ HAS BEEN DECLARED. STAY CALM, FAIR DENIZENS OF CALIFORNIA GOLDEN BLOGS. STAY CALM! YOUR LEADERS HAVE EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL.
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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Pac-10 Football Schedule finalized
USC-UCLA will not be the final game of their seasons either; USC’s final game of the season will be against Arizona and broadcast on ABC. Arizona-ASU and USC-UCLA will both be played Thanksgiving weekend.
Other fun wrinkles
~Cal/Oregon will be televised on ESPN/ESPN2/ABC. LINK. Oregon/Boise State and Oregon/USC will be on the Disney networks, as will either Oregon/Utah or Oregon/Purdue
~The Civil War will be a Thursday Night broadcast, presumably on ESPN.
~Stanford will only have one bye week in early November; they will finish the season with their two rivalry games (Notre Dame) and Penn State.
~Washington State and Notre Dame will play a game in San Antonio. Wonder how much the Cougars got paid for their sacrifice.
~Arizona will have a game at Iowa; ASU goes to Georgia and gets BYU at home; Washington has a trip to South Bend and plays LSU at home; Washington State also plays Hawaii in Seattle, Oregon State hosts Cincy.
WSU: The team nobody wants to play on the road.
WSU-ND in San Antonio…I guess is a Texas recruiting game…sounds lame though
LSU’s traveling for an OOC game! Too bad it’s not to Berkeley. THAT would be a great team to start a rivalry with!
OSU-Cincy should be a pretty good game.
Notre Dame might as well join the Pac-10…
Tedford...if you're reading this...I'LL WORK FOR FREE! I'll fill out your Coach's Poll!
I thought ASU got out of their game with BYU... ??
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 18, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
My mistake
They now face the indomitable Warhawks of Louisiana Monroe
by BearsNecessity on Jan 18, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Man, Pac-10 is ballsy in the OOC department this year
Boise St, Ohio St, Penn St, Georgia, LSU, Iowa, Maryland, Utah, Penn St., Cincinnati
That’s 5 different BCS teams and a few that were in contention for it. That collection makes Cal’s OOC schedule look relatively wimpy.
I forgot!
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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This will only feed the addiction
I can’t help it. I need more morphine!
Pete Carroll somehow keeps his gravy train going by convincing recruits that it’s not necessarily playing time that makes players better, it’s the competition in practice. Yet, when it’s time for those players to make the decision to take their game to the NFL, all of a sudden, playing time is now paramount. “I really think he (Sanchez) needed more experience” Carroll said. You know what I call that? A TWO FACED LIAR.
So which is it, Pete? What makes a player better: playing time, or the competition in practice? Or is it simply: whatever is good for Pete Carroll and Southern Cal?
Mark Sanchez got his degree (don’t laugh), did his time on the pine for three years (getting better with competition at practice), had a nice fourth year and is projected to be the 2nd QB taken in the draft. He decided to take his opportunity now. There are no guarantees in sports. He made his decision. And for that, Pete Carroll publicly embarrasses him by acting like a selfish, jilted lover and giving him the cold shoulder at his press conference. Nice way to send the guy off, Pete!
Mark Sanchez in now discovering what it means to be in the “Trojan Family”. That is, you are part of the “family” as long as you do what is best for the “family” first. Sounds more like a DICTATORSHIP to me!
Sounds like SOPRANOS to me!
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 18, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
I just saw the tape on Keni Kaufisi (our recent DT commit)
I can’t post it here, but I’ll tell all of you:
He has one of the best DT tapes I’ve ever seen. No exaggeration. Some of that may be due to level of competition.
The most striking thing is that he is by far the quickest guy off the line, despite being 2x the size of most of the guys on either side of the ball. Very outstanding…
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
Maybe Hydro will do a write-up of his tape next...
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 18, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
I said to someone that I would do Hasiak next, but I’ll do Kaufisi after that then.
www.californiagoldenblogs.com
That’s got to be against the law, gross.
by CaliforniaCMB on Jan 19, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
you can post the direct links.
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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It's Rivals-only content...?
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 18, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Post the link. If they have a rivals subscription, they will enjoy it. If not, they will have knowledge of where to go to see it, if they want to get a rivals subscription.
Link-posting is the currency of the internet. Let’s spread the wealth around, Obama-style!
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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one thing that eliminates the caliber of competition is judging how quick his jump off the snap is and how fast he gets his hands up.
Also, I just got back from 24 h fitness. I asked the dude at the counter if he sold Barry Bonds-grade juice…he said, “Na man, I would be taken it too if I could.”
Tedford...if you're reading this...I'LL WORK FOR FREE! I'll fill out your Coach's Poll!
Question for Hydro:
Why isn’t spiking the ball flagged for intentional grounding?
Loves both the ambiance and the decor.
The rule was modified to allow spikes in order to extend an offense’s chances to score in the last two minutes
by BearsNecessity on Jan 18, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
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Loves both the ambiance and the decor.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 18, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, what Bears Necessity said. It’s just a special exception to the rule. Just like the holder on FG attempts does not count as “downing the ball” since his knee is down – that’s just a special exception.
www.californiagoldenblogs.com
Is FG attempts in the special Olympics? No!
BOOM!
by CaliforniaCMB on Jan 19, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
For people who follow the NFL, how would you rate Westbrook as a running back? I feel like every time I watch an Eagles game, he’s getting stuffed up the middle.
He’s not very healthy right now. His cutback ability isn’t really there and he doesn’t have much burst. They’re probably just hoping they can get him to the Super Bowl undamaged.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 18, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Too bad the Eagles lost
But DeSean did what he needed to do. Hopefully Randall Carroll was watching closely.
Goddamn.... Sorry yellow fever
I was rooting for DJax over JJ…
Donovan is my favorite QB outside of Aaron Rodgers and Kyle Boller, so I’m also mad that he’ll catch some flak from stupid Philly fans
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 18, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
McNabb would drive me crazy if I had to watch him on a weekly basis. He’s only an average qb, and he’s worse than Longshore in the way he can polarize a fanbase. Tedford would probably bench him if he was his coach.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 18, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I sincerely hope so
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 18, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Not really. McNabb’s inability to complete 5-10 yard crossing routes/short passes with any consistency has bewildered many Eagles fans. Yes, he can air it out, but you have to be able to do the little things too.
His ability to run the ball and throw it deep make him a fierce out, but plenty of NFL insiders will tell you their success has been predicated much more on the consistency of Westbrook and the defense making big plays.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 18, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
McNabb has guided his team to 5 NFC Championships and 1 superbowl. Yes, he hasnt won any Superbowls, but thats still an amazing stat. And he did it with a veritable cast of NOBODIES on offense. They briefly had TO. They have Westbrook. And Freddy MItchell’s hands.
But little else. Little else.
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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Congrats to him. That doesn’t make him a great quarterback. The Eagles pass rush and Brian Westbrook were the two biggest reasons for that playoff success. McNabb is a distant third, maybe even fourth behind their excellent pass coverage.
This is football, not basketball. Your ‘leader’ (quarterback) is not the primary reason you win ballgames. It’s the reason Longshore was maligned unfairly for last year and why people are still puzzled Matt Leinart can’t bring his USC gameplay to the NFL. They oversimplify a team’s performance and correlate it to how the quarterback performs with his ‘leadership’. But if you dissect McNabb’s play there’s a deeper truth than that.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 18, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, that is borderline retarded. You can deny that leadership matters, or efficiency or toughness, but the fact remains that those things DO matter and absolutely nothing you can say will convince me or pretty much anyone else who follows football. Twist is right, what McNabb has done with so little at receiver is staggering. He is 18th all-time in passer rating and 2nd all-time in interception percentage. Yes, you read that correctly, second. In addition to the above factors that you base the Eagles success upon, one of the biggest is playing mistake-free football. McNabb does that and does that as good as anyone that has ever played quarterback in the NFL. I wonder BN, if you asked Andy Ried or Jeffery Laurie if they could point to and rank the factors their success is based on, if they would rank McNabb a distant second. I’m going to bet they wouldn’t agree with you.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Oh goodness. I’m not sure where this defense of McNabb is coming from, but okay.
Interception percentage is a rather bizarre stat to throw out there, but sure, he doesn’t throw many regular season picks. Neither have Jason Campbell, David Gerrard, Neil O’Donnell, Jeff Garcia, and Mark Brunell, who happen to be in the top 5 of that list. All serviceable quarterbacks, and that’s what McNabb is (if that sample size is too small, add in Brady, Kent Graham, Steve Bono and Rich Gannon. I see one great QB on that list). Kevin Riley would be one of the greatest Cal quarterbacks ever if we were to use interception percentage as a barometer.
I tend to be distrustful of statistics when it comes to NFL QBs—John Elway and Jim Kelly look like bimbos citing the metrics you used. There are more meaningful stats, like McNabb not being able to complete 60 percent of his passes in the West Coast offense. Some of that may be on his receivers, but a lot of those short balls are badly thrown.
Look at today’s game as a microcosm of his career. His statistics look great, his deep ball was great, but if you watched the game you’ll see he had only ten minutes of good play and stunk up the rest. He couldn’t control the clock. He was off on many of his short throws and took way too many stupid sacks. That’s been his entire playoff repertoir. I’m not saying he’s a bad quarterback (he’s in the top 12 in the league albiet trending downward), but he’s nowhere close to the level you place him at.
And I can’t believe you’re using toughness to describe McNabb. This is the dude who dry heaved throughout the Super Bowl in the longest two minute drill ever. He’s also been out of shape for months. There’s a reason he doesn’t take off with the ball anymore.
If you don’t believe me, ask people who’ve watched him more. Go to Bleeding Green Nation and ask around people who’ve watched him their entire lives. Many of them will say similar things.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Ah, so you’re distrustful of statistics? Indeed they can be manipulated. However, under pretty much every metric, McNabb stacks up favorably. You point to one statistic, completion percentage. Again, you have yet to show he can’t complete short yardage passes (note, his completion percentage and rating is better behind the line and from 1-10 yards than it is on intermediate and longer routes – and yes, his percentage was better earlier in his career) . Overall, it is lower than one would like (though it does stack up fine with other Hall of Famers), but he makes up for it by not making terrible mistakes when he does throw incompletions. And, yes, I do believe his completion percentage is lower than it otherwise would be because of incompetence from his receiving corps.
As for his place in the league now and his place all-time. Indeed, McNabb, like most quarterbacks, is not the same QB in his 10th season as he was in his 6th season. However, my point was that not only is McNabb better than just an average quarterback today, but, he is, without question, going to be inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
QB comparison, passes thrown 1-10 yards (which is around 50% of all NFL passes)
McNabb 2008: 61.8, 2007: 64.8, 2006: 56.8, 2005, 67.5, 2004: 71.3, 2003: 63.2, 2002: 62.1 (that’s as far back as this metric goes)
Since you consider him hall of fame worthy, let’s place him beside a list of QBs who might or might not be there at the end of his career.
Brady 2007: 75.6, 2006: 71.2, 2005: 69.8, 2004: 71.8, 2003: 65.6, 2002: 67.3
Manning 2008: 72.1, 2007: 73, 2006: 71, 2005: 76.7, 2004: 74.9, 2003: 70.8, 2002: 71.8
Roethlisberger (from 2008 to 2004 in order): 70.2, 70.7, 65.3, 67.5, 76.1
Favre: 72.2, 70.5, 61.4, 70.9, 69.5, 73.1, 68.3
Warner: 70, 65.1, 70.1 in 2005 (injured in 2006), 68.9, 72.5
McNair (before falling apart in Baltimore): 69.5, 68.7, 67.5, 70.6, 68.8
Brees: 68.4, 71.1, 66.4, 65.3, 67.1, 62.7, 63.3
Rivers: 67.4, 65.8, 65.8
Romo: 68, 71.5, 73.5
Other than those two seasons where he had Owens, McNabb has been historically supbar on the short passes compared to the mean and has rectified himself with deep bombs and scrambling ability earlier in his career. I’d rate him below all of those quarterbacks I just cited above.
I’ll maintain that Jim Johnson’s blitzing defense was the #1 reason Philly has been so good, with pass coverage and run blocking the next reasons and McNabb fourth.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Every single one of those quarterbacks has had significantly better help from his wide receivers than McNabb. From the looks of it, he seems to fair about the same as Brees, Rivers and McNair, though I don;t think comparing Rivers and Romo is all that helpful.
As far as where McNabb ranks among those quarterbacks, I think he compares equally, overall, to all but Brady and Manning, those two are in another stratosphere. You can discount playing mistake free, or for most of his career being a pretty effective runner, or throwing deep, but those are all attributes McNabb brings and has brought with the best of them. They are also attributes that have made him an integral part of Philly’s success.
With regard your ranking of McNabb among the several factors to Philly’s success, I should without question defer to your ability to use football terminology and correctly name the Eagles defensive coordinator. You MUST be an expert!
However McNabb ranks among those factors, I believe he has been a significant one and I also think he has, over the years competed favorably with the best in the game.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Disagree with most of what you said, but this is going nowhere. You think he’s one of the best ever and I think he’s a serviceable QB who does all the intangible things but not enough of the fundamental things. We’re not going to reach middle ground here.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Also, with regard to McNabb being a bad playoff QB, let’s go over his quarterback rating in his last 6 playoff games: 92.8 (W), 58.0(W), 97.4 (L) , 111.4 (W), 111.1 (W), and 65.4 (L). Yeah, he’s a serious liability.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
I never said he was a liability. I said he was average. There’s a difference.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Sample size is important. Sure, if its one game or one season, bad QB play can be overcome by other factors. We need look no further than this Cal 2008 offense, which was pretty good even with disastrous QB play.
However, when we are talking about almost a full decade of successful Iggles teams, including 5 NFC Championship games and 1 Superbowl, with almost a complete dearth of non-McNabb talent on offense, well that’s different.
And when he had TO there in that 1 year, when he FINALLY had a great WR, McNabb killed it. So, I find it intellectually disenguous to knock McNabb down because a)Matt Leinart sucks and b)this year, perhaps, he was not the #1 reason they made it as far as they did. Frankly, even if b is true, its myopia is a bit stunning.
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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I’m not knocking him down. He’s a good quarterback, borderline Hall of Fame worthy, but he is not even close to the main reason Philly is as good as they are. Their great defense and Westbrook has carried them the past seven years, and that’s all you need to compile solid playoff worthy seasons in the NFL. Eventually though, when the defenses get better and your run game gets clamped on, your QB will have to win one for you (like four of the five NFC titles and the Super Bowl McNabb has played at) and he’s come up short every time.
Take a look at Cal’s 2008 season and you’ll see all we needed was a stud running back and strong defense to win nine games. If we can get good QB play we are poised for great things in the future.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
I should give props to Philly's O-line as well as Cal's too
for good runblocking packages.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
You just said he was an average QB earlier
that’s why people got on your case.
Philly had some bogus losses due to their shitty run blocking in the middle portions of the year.
And if you’re going to argue that most of Philly’s success hinged on defense and running game, you can’t say McNabb just came up short in those games they lost in the playoffs; the whole team is responsible. McNabb was good enough yesterday to win the ball game. Some horrible defensive playcalling in the first half really put them in the bind.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 19, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
And even yesterday
His 4th and 10 throw was right on the money, but Curtis had been dragged down by a defender while no PI was called. If San Diego got that PI call against the Colts, then Philly defiinitely deserved the one yesterday.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 19, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
The Curtis throw isn’t what I have an issue with, it’s the Jackson and Celek (maybe it was Avant?) overthrows before that. Those are the wide open throws you have to nail. He’s done that much of his career—play uneven on the short routes while bombing it out otherwise.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
He's kind of like Kevin Riley's ceiling
Which I would be happy to see him reach.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
You don’t see the similarities between young McNabb and Riley? Loves to throw it deep, subpar completion percentage on the bad routes, scrambles with the ball to try and make a play, doesn’t throw many interceptions?
McNabb>>>Riley of course, but the way they play are more similar than you think.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Again, if you don’t think a big reason why Philly has been as successful as they are is that they have a quarterback that has thrown single digits in intereptions in 6 out of 10 years, you’re blind. Also, McNabb has been carried by the rest of his team the last seven years. Right, he has had so little to do with it. The Eagles really had to pickup the slack in 2004 when McNabb finally had a legit Pro-Bowl receiver and had a QB rating of 104.5, a 64% completion percentage and 31 TD’s with only 8 interceptions.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Tom Brady didn’t have a single Pro-Bowl caliber receiver until 2007. Hell he even had crappier running backs than Westbrook until Corey Dillon gave him one quality season.
I guess you can give some credit to McNabb for the interceptions, but it’s mainly because he underthrows many of his receivers on the short crossing routes so it’s tough for defenders to get an aim on the ball. Yet in the playoffs he’s thrown 20 TDs and 15 INTs, which are probably closer to the mean. You can’t argue that the Eagles defense has been the biggest reason by far Philly has been successful
Sheesh, where’s yellow fever? I must not be explaining this right.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
BN, sorry, I just don’t see you as having studied enough tape to say definitively the reason why McNabb throws so few interceptions is because he underthrows receivers. Throwing out football terminology doesn’t show your competence.
As for Tom Brady, well, Brady is a better quarterback, I never made an argument to the contrary. That said, I also think there is a coaching advantage in NE.
As for the quality of your argument, the main problem is you calling him an average quarterback and saying McNabb has had very little to do with Philly’s success. You’re wrong, that’s your problem.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Believe what you want. I’ve watched McNabb and the Eagles for seven years, and he is merely okay. There is some blame to be levied at Andy Reid for being a fat tub of suck. But Donovan should be only 3rd-4th in the reasoning they’ve been so successful.
Philly’s defense is the biggest reason they win or lose games. It’s the reason they rebounded in the last six weeks in the season. They played great against Minnesota and the Giants and they won, they stunk it up against Arizona for three quarters and and they lost. Westbrook’s production on offense and the past seven seasons and the run blocking freed up McNabb to do what he does.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
This type of observation can be made about most ‘highly-rated’ QBs though…
I feel like Matt Ryan would have been full of suck if they didn’t have such great run-blocking and steady running game… He threw some horrible picks to end the year. The same goes for most of the QBs who made the Pro Bowl.
It just happens that football has become all about skill position hype when the game is really all about line play and team schemes.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 19, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed, but I’m not terribly high on Matt Ryan either.
McNabb is a fair quarterback; he’s just not fundamentally sound, and that’s why he eventually ends up losing playoff games. If you watched the replays of the incompletions or shorter throws McNabb made yesterday, you’ll see a lot of receiver adjustment to try and make the catch. The ball was just not placed right on too many occasions, which has been the hallmark of Donovan’s short yardage game.
Which is why he prefers to air it out. It’s easier for him to just let it ride.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
If you’re going to argue that Westbrook and the Eagles D are more responsible for the team’s success than McNabb, you should at least present some statistical evidence that shows, for example, that the defense and Westbrook performed better in the years that the Eagles reached the championship game than in other years.
I think that if you look at the numbers, you’ll find their success correlated just as much to McNabb’s performance as to Westbrook’s or the defense’s.
I outworthless the Maharg.
Scoring defenses the past nine years, starting with 2000: 4th (playoffs), 2nd (NFC Championship), 2nd (NFC Championship), 7th (NFC Championship), 2nd (NFC Championship); 27th (6-10), 15th (10-6, Garcia started half the season), 9th (8-8), 4th (NFC Championship)
They were also top 10 in yards allowed in four of the five championship seasons.
I forgot that Staley played Westbrook’s role the first few seasons. Their numbers aren’t terribly impressive because Reid has never run the ball much, but they made significant enough contributions that opened up the ball for McNabb to throw deep.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
So the defense’s average rank in PPG over that time period was 9, and the offense’s average rank was 11.3.
In the 5 seasons they went to the championship game, the defense’s average rank was 3.4 and the offense’s was 7.6. That seems to bear up your point.
Of course, you’d have to break down the rushing/passing game as well, but I’m too lazy to do that.
I outworthless the Maharg.
Yeah I’ll to look at Football Outsiders DVOA ratings to arrive at more thorough conclusions.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
You can say all these things, but I still see no reason to call him an ‘average’ QB. When everything is clicking with him, he is the best overall QB in football… Maybe in recent years, he’s fallen off a bit, but you can’t say he was an ‘average’ QB when he went to 5 straight Pro Bowls
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 19, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
I just spit my beverage all over my computer screen. Did I read that correctly? The best overall QB in the NFL when things are going right? Poppycock!
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by Fire Starkey on Jan 19, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Umm
Can Tom Brady or Peyton Manning run for 100+ yards on third down alone? This puts him over the top… Unfortunately, it’s a rare day now when he can do this
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 19, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
5 or 6 years ago you would have had a strong argument but not today. McNabb is older than dirt and horribly inconsistent from game to game. He, once again, crapped the bed in an NFC Championship game after having several nice games in a row. Is he average? I’d put him at slightly above average but no higher.
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by Fire Starkey on Jan 19, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
How did he crap the bed?
He missed a few short passes… His team scored 25 points with NO running game…
His defense crapped the bed in the first half.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 19, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
There were a bunch of wide open passes he missed on that would have kept drives going or gotten them a TD instead of a FG that were relatively easy throws that a Pro QB SHOULD make every time. 28 for 47 is not great. To me, on that stage, that’s crapping the bed.
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by Fire Starkey on Jan 19, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Arizona: where dreams go to die
At least if the Cardinals win the Super Bowl, Arrington will get a ring.
"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.
It'll be up on E-Bay in about three years
Be prepared to bid!
by BearsNecessity on Jan 18, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll repeat what I asked above,is this a joke? Not sure why you’re ripping JJ.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
This is a half-joke. Arrington’s been the third wheel on the running back train for Arizona.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 18, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
And that means you should make a joke about a Cal alumn and basically say a few years from now he will sell his SB ring on E-bay out of desperation? Hilarious. You should probably stick to your “analysis” of Donovan McNabb.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Not desperation. More like “man, I wasn’t really a huge part of this was I?” when he’s playing on another team.
This isn’t a rip on Arrington. But he has been a peripheral spectator to Arizona’s success this season.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 18, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
This is getting awkward.
Runs out the door.
by CaliforniaCMB on Jan 19, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
He directly led to one of their divisional wins vs. Seattle…
It’s usually a business decision that leads to his departure from the team… I don’t truly think any player on a team feels they didn’t play a substantial part in a championship run. The game is only 3 hours of the week. Everyone prepares for the rest of the week and plays their roles to meet the weekly goal of a win. This may not show for most on Sundays, but I don’t think he’d really have that thought when he’s always catching screens, returning kicks when Breaston became the 2nd receiver, etc.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 19, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed. Arrington plays more than a minor role for Arizona, returning kicks and catching passes out of the backfield. I think he’s probably pretty proud of his efforts and contributions. If it wasn’t for the Cardinals feeling like the HAVE to give James carries, Arrington would likely split carries with Hightower and play an even biger role with the offense.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
It's amazing how Jesus decides all these football games
Maybe that’s the reason Cal never wins anything. Our fans are godless heathens.
You have a very good point here
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
But Nate was a Mormon...
Surely we should have had success with him as QB. That or Jesus doesn’t like Mormons.
"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.
Jesus doesn't like Jessica Simpson
Look at what happened to Romo.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 18, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
29-26 Lady Bears at halftime
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 18, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Boller's still a member of the Ravens
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 18, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Cal Men’s BBall ranked 29th and 26th in AP and Coaches, respectively.
"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.
We'll need a few losses by others to move up in the AP
If we win both our Oregon games… but we could slide into the Coaches without much movement at the top
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 19, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
And Arizona State, despite splitting against USC and UCLA, stays where there are, with the same record as Cal over all and one more conference loss. Nice.
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I wouldnt worry too much about the rankings. Esp. this early. Esp. in b-ball where it all gets settled on the court.
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Mine hates civil liberty too.
It's spelled ""S-H-U-Y-O-U-V-E-D-O-N-E-S-O-M-E-N-I-C-E-T-H-I-N-G-S-W-I-T-H-T-H-E-P-L-A-C-E"
Mine
but they love Jesus as we get Good Friday off. I wonder if its the little 7 pound, 9 ounce, bald baby Jesus that they love?
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by Fire Starkey on Jan 19, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Morrah going pro?
I’m absolutely mystified by this. He must need the money because I don’t see him as better than a 4th round pick. At BEST.
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It’s true. I heard it first here.
It's spelled ""S-H-U-Y-O-U-V-E-D-O-N-E-S-O-M-E-N-I-C-E-T-H-I-N-G-S-W-I-T-H-T-H-E-P-L-A-C-E"
You’re trying to be more worthless than me, that’s a tough job, and if you fail, you’ll end up like Twist.
No, I’m not The Maharg but thanks for thinking of me so highly.
Lately, ending up like twist would almost be an improvement.
It's spelled ""S-H-U-Y-O-U-V-E-D-O-N-E-S-O-M-E-N-I-C-E-T-H-I-N-G-S-W-I-T-H-T-H-E-P-L-A-C-E"
We all know that your signature is a lie.
(Cue Twist to say “Just like that cake” without actually understanding the reference.)
No, I’m not The Maharg but thanks for thinking of me so highly.
I finally put up that CGB Tagline you’ve been beggng me to put up for months now and this is how you respond?!??!
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apparently it’s true. Wow.
I didn’t see that coming. Geez. I don’t think he’s going to be a high draft pick. Probably not even a third round pick.
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Perhaps he knows we'll be using Ladner and Miller more next year?
And wanted to get in more before he was phased out?
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
The heck?? That’s crazy talk. He’s crazy.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 19, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
This is absolutely crazy. From everything we’ve been told about Ladner, there won’t be much dropoff.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
That goes for more or less every recruit, the way they’re hyped.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 19, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
I am refering more to being Scout team player of the year and the reports coming from practice this year, not from his HS hype.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
The reports on Tad Smith and our receiver corps last spring were glowing, too.
Hey don’t get me wrong, you could be correct and Miller might even be an improvement. I’ve always been a believe-it-when-I-see-it guy when it comes to sports performance, though.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 19, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps not phased out, but his playing time will be cut into next year with the plethora of tight ends available and the emergence of the receivers. He was the primary receiving option this year and he won’t look much better. That’s probably what people close to him were saying.
Also Morrah doesn’t block well, and he’d probably be asked to block more with the emergence of Best and the development of the receivers. That’s my original thought process, which is probably wrong.
by BearsNecessity on Jan 19, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
On Morrah's decision
This is news for everybody, as nobody had reported this until the list came out.
Morrah did have 8 TDs for us this season, and there really aren’t any highly rated TEs outside of Coffman and Pettigrew. I totally understand his decision. He will have very good measureables, and he is a better blocker than given credit for.He’s had a lot of PT the last two years, and he has been at school for 3,5 years now.
All the coaches have raved about his team-first attitude, so I have a strong feeling Morrah felt that the team next year would not be significantly hindered by his departure. This bodes well for Miller and Ladner (who won Scout Team Player of the Year honors, like Shane Vereen did last year). We also still have Tad Smith, who is a very good blocker and got open over the middle a few times but was not hit for the TD.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
Still
I think he could’ve had a really big season for us next year.
Good luck to him… I’ll be rooting for him on draft day (I do see him getting picked)
Also, this opens up a TE schollie… we could poach a Furd recruit or take a project TE we’ve been looking at for awhile now.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 19, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
And who is the coach that groomed Morrah into an NFL tight end? ALAMAR. OH NOES!!!
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Two TEs drafted two years in a row
Tell the recruits!
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Jan 19, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Good quote by a Rivals member on Morrah
Next year, he will be overshadowed big time by Gresham, Gronkowski, McCoy, the list goes on. He is a mismatch with his speed, and he caught 8 TDs this year, which shows he was a focal point of the offense (a pro style offense). He will perform well at the combines with his speed, and I think he will make people think of Marcedes Lewis, which a lot of teams are looking for right now.
Frankly, Morrah is the perfect example of a kid who can make himself a lot of money by coming out early.
I also think Morrah got us through a rough patch with green receivers last year, especially in the red zone, which was fortunate. Those WRs should be better so we won’t need to rely on him as much in 2009. Plus, Miller and Smith are already better blockers than him, so there shouldn’t be a huge dropoff in blocking. All in all, I don’t think we’ll see a huge hole in the position. I think it’s the right time for him to go.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
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