Cal v. Colorado State 9.27.08 Post-Game Thread
by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 8:01 AM PDT
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FINISH HIM!OK, I just got back to a computer. I think I am the one designated to do some post game thoughts to help spur conversation. These are all based on my observations from the game without looking at any stats:
1. Although there was quite a blowout today, the Riley led portion of the offense didn't exactly light things up. Scored 1 touchdown on a strike to Nyan in the 2nd quarter. Sometimes it wasn't exactly Riley's fault. For example, he put the ball right in Sean Young's wheelhouse on that long bomb, but Young dropped it (or was being tackled at the same time, I had trouble seeing exactly).
But Riley also had some rough throws out there. People were very quick to jump on the Jesus In Cleats II: Cleat Harder bandwagon last year, but Riley is still a young QB. He shows flashes of brilliance, but also has had some growing pains.
Given the health of Best (???), we'll need him to step it up next week against ASU.
2. Best was taken down and stayed down. It was a nerve wracking time, but then he walked off the field. I figured all was fine, but now I read he had a dislocated elbow? MRI tomorrow? Is that accurate? I don't know what a dislocated elbow can do exactly to keep a player off the field. Doesn't sound good. Let's pray for health. When healthy, he looked really good out there. Had an unfortunate fumble, though.
Our offense was moving the ball at times, mostly on the strength of Vereen and Best, but then had rough fumbles. Including one right at the goal line. Oh well.
3. Was the blocked punt blocked by a CSU player? It seemed like it to me, but other people thought one of our players actually blocked it. I think it bounced off of the back of a CSU blocker, though.
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The Chronicle currently lists this player as Jahvid Best.4. Longshore looked pretty good out there. Made some strikes. Had some mobility on bootleg throws. I don't think that anybody thinks he should start over Riley, but I am happy he is playing well out there (Ed Note: Apparently, in the post game news conference Tedford said that the competition was back open, so at least Tedford thinks Longshore could start over Riley.). We need look no further than Oregon to see a situation where QB depth is paramount. I know there are many negative feelings left from 2007, but he is a player on the team and we always want them to do well.
5. When we were doing pre-season analysis, the general overview was "Hopefully D can keep us in games while the O works to gel." The D is DEFINITELY doing its job. SydGOD was a GOD today not only on D, but also special teams. He had a special teams punt return TD and made many great plays at DB. Our entire defensive backfield was stellar today. We had some trouble getting pressure at times, especially earlier in the game. But that might have more to do with the scheme, who knows?
6. Did we have a kick off that stayed in bounds? Awkward.
7. I'll write more about this later, but the new MicChick might actually cause a revolt by the student section. How interesting.
Ok, so there are some early thoughts that should hopefully spur discussion. I haven't looked at any stats or read any reviews of the game. We will, of course, have a lot more about this. I'll have voluminous amounts of photos. Hydro, Ragnarok, and CBKWit will put some more analysis in. And hopefully Best's arm will be A-OK! GO BEARS!
Since it is unclear whether any CGB Marshawnthusiast will be at a computer for the game today, we've decided to put up all these threads ahead of time. Pregame Thread. First Kwarter. Second Kwarter. Third Kwarter. Fourth Kwarter.
Did we win? Did we lose? Forfeit for smoking tobacco during gameplay? Use this one to discuss your immediate post-game reaction. We'll try to put up our thoughts on the game as soon as we get back near a computer!
If you missed anything this week, don't forget to check out our discussion of interesting rules, including Ragnarok's favs. We also discussed the national football rankings and the Pac10 football rankings. And regarding today's opponent, CSU, we had a Q+A with another blog, looked at some game film, and took a shallow look at their O and D.
So, comment away!
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I just want to point out that Florida is losing to Ole Miss.
by Rishi on Sep 27, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WRONG THREAD.
But yes, they did win. Share your elation with us on the pregame.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
These first half stats from Georgia-Alabama are pathetic
Alabama is either the best team in the country by a wide margin, or the Bulldogs spent the entire week banging coeds and hitting up Atlanta. I lean toward the latter.
’Bama 233 total yards, UGA 86
’Bama 18 first downs, UGA 4
’Bama 94 rushing yards, UGA 17
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that it matters
But will the Bears be ranked tomorrow? I’m guessing, no, but they should at least get some votes, after all of the upsets today. And that win over Sparty is looking better all the time, while the loss to Maryland is not nearly so embarassing as it appeared at the time — except, of course, for that whole Jahvid-neon-vomit-YouTube thing.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Sep 27, 2008 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
slim chance of being the twenties I think.
certainly votes.
especially since both Mstate and Maryland won again. makes us look better than it seemed.
by Rocksanddirt on Sep 27, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to guess no
I think we’ll definitely be ranked if we beat ASU next week. Although I am having trouble thinking of 25 teams that do deserve to be ranked.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Sep 27, 2008 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was thinking USC in the twelve range
but they look a hell of a lot better than Georgia or Wisconsin.
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by CBKWit on Sep 27, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
throw Florida in there, since they lost at home
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by CBKWit on Sep 27, 2008 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Colorado State barely beat Sac State. Our result was totally what was expected.
Oregon beating Wazzu will attract more attention.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only because it was a conference game
Plus no one saw this one. I’m thinking we see Northwestern and Ball State.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope someone gets a torrent of this game up
I was in transit during most of the game. And then it turned out that my cable provider wasn’t carrying the game anyway (since it was ONLY playing on CSN-west). The score looks good though!
by Mister Pie on Sep 27, 2008 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You don’t really want to watch this game…
by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 27, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was fairly watchable
I learned a lot more about the team today.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Jahvid's arm isn't as bad as it looked on tv.
by rurata on Sep 27, 2008 6:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Better his elbow...
…than anything on his lower limbs. But obvious that affects getting the ball in the first place
by Troatie on Sep 27, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oklahoma will be #1 tomorrow
They’re obliterating TCU. Alabama probably in the top 3.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna say Missouri moves up to 2
They did beat a decent Illinois team already, after all. And I think Clemson’s shown it’s not all that, so I don’t think Alabama beating them should count for much. That’s not to say that beating Georgia doesn’t count for anything, but I don’t think they should get extra credit for Clemson.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Sep 27, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, Bradford is lighting it up
I’m going to lose because I started Chris Wells (thanks first round pick!) over Blount from Oregon at the last minute.
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by CBKWit on Sep 27, 2008 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need Jake Locker to run wild
Of course, it helps that both my RBs (Kendall Hunter and Javon Ringer) had good days.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Sep 27, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, you've got it in the bag
with or without Locker.
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by CBKWit on Sep 27, 2008 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Locker won't be running wild for a while
Broken thumb on his throwing hand.
by Soaker on Sep 27, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from the game.
Is Jahvid OK?
Go Bears!
by RollOnYouBears667 on Sep 27, 2008 7:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ehhhh....
ted miller says its a dislocated elbow, MRI tomorrow :(
by HOUSE66 on Sep 27, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how long can a dislocated elbow keep someone out for?
Go Bears!
by RollOnYouBears667 on Sep 27, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose on how damaged the tendons are. If it’s not bad, he could be back in a week I think. If the tendons were severed, it could potentially be season ending (unless he can play one-armed)? I’m not a doctor though, so don’t take my word for it.
by rurata on Sep 27, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tedford on Riley:
“Nate played because Kevin was missing too many open receivers.”
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty" - every AL Manager to Bob Geren
by oaktownmario on Sep 27, 2008 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Riley's passing problems are really starting to worry me.
There are no more WSUs and CSUs on the schedule. He needs to step up already.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty" - every AL Manager to Bob Geren
by oaktownmario on Sep 27, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tedford also said it in the post-game interview on KGO radio. He sounded pissed.
by OskiMonsta on Sep 28, 2008 4:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
That quote has got to make any Cal fan, no matter a Riley-supporter or a Longshore-supporter, pretty concerned.
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that Riley will start again but with a short leash. I’m thinking we could see NL as early as the 2Q if Riley does not produce.
by OskiMonsta on Sep 28, 2008 4:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mic chicks are the bane of my existence
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Sep 27, 2008 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that one was not good. She needs to do less speechifying and more shutting up.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 27, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She’s the #1 cause of misogyny in berkeley right now.
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by 408 on Sep 27, 2008 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the "blocked punt"
The CSU kicker actually kicked it into one of his players because their line was absolutely demolished by Cal’s.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty" - every AL Manager to Bob Geren
by oaktownmario on Sep 27, 2008 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
During the postgame press conference Tedford said the QB competition is back open. Also, he’s asking the school’s soccer players to try out for the kickoff position.
Twist, to answer your question, the punt actually hit a CSU player before being recovered by Cal.
And that mic chick (she was there last year too) is awful. She is by far the least liked mic person. She doesn’t know when to lead which chants and she generally has a bad feel for the flow of the game.
I was very impressed with our defense today. We had some issues with QB pressure in the 2nd quarter but besides that, we were excellent.
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by Berkelium97 on Sep 27, 2008 8:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, Nate was really, really mobile out there today. I don’t think he has run that much before passing in his previous 3 years combined. I was very impressed with him. Besides that, the offense was completely uninspiring.
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by Berkelium97 on Sep 27, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Game!
Well, good job Bears! Congratulations on your victory today!
Interesting to hear that the QB competition is back open. Man, things could get very interesting. Until I know more I cannot endorse either candidate at this time. While I continue to believe in and support Kevin Riley, I also think Nate appears to have regained minimal mobility. Whereas last season he had none at all. What do you wise guys think? I know opinions will rage on this powder keg. God help us all.
Very glad to hear Tedford is opening kicking tryouts to the soccer team. I could not possibly hurt.
by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2008 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The mic chick is TERRIBLE
I sensed the revolt. If she fucks up again against ASU they will boo her off the place. I am in the student section too but I feel reluctant to boo a student
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Sep 27, 2008 9:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously
We were rooting for mic man to reclaim the mic from Tightwad Hill. Even from the hill you can feel the energy sapped out of the student section when mic chick took over.
"it's like an alarm clock, WOOT WOOT!" -Bubb Rubb
by secret ASian man on Sep 28, 2008 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope best is OK
:(
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Sep 27, 2008 9:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stanford 35, UW 21
What the hell?
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 9:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow not good news here:
From Okanes:
–It looks like running back Jahvid Best may be out for awhile. He has a dislocated left elbow. X-rays showed there isn’t a fracture, but he will have an MRI on Sunday. Coach Jeff Tedford said the team may consider taking freshman Covaughn DeBoskie out of his redshirt year, depending on how long Best is out. The team will know more about how long Best will be sidelined after the MRI. Obviously, Shane Vereen will now pick up most of the carries.
–Left guard Chris Guarnero is out for the year. Turns out he has a torn tendon in his big toe. Tedford said Guarnero will have surgery this week. Doctors said Guarnero needed to have surgery soon or risk losing use of the toe.
–Tedford hinted the team’s quarterback competition could be heating up again. He clearly wasnt’ happy with how Kevin Riley played Saturday. When asked if Riley was still the starter, Tedford said: "We’ll see."
–Defensive end Rulon Davis has some kind of leg injury but no further details were available. He didn’t play in the second half after injuring it on the last play of the first half.
I’ll obviously have updates after practice tomorrow, especially further information on the extent of Best’s injury.
Ruh oh…
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Sep 27, 2008 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Best is out for more than a game or two
Cal’s chances of winning the Pac-10 are close to nil. There’d just be too much inexperience in the backfield.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap Factor 7: my friend got a text from a guy who works on the field that said Rulon broke his foot.
-starting LG,
-starting RB,
-starting DE
-backup DT
-Riley sucking.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 27, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's so good but he's so fragile too.
It’s terrible. It seems like his incredible potential will never be fully displayed.
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by Berkelium97 on Sep 27, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about Rulon or Jahvid? Rulon does get injured a lot.
by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rulon
It seems like whenever he’s healthy, it will last a game and a half at most and then he’s out for another six weeks.
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by Berkelium97 on Sep 27, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds bad, bu seriously, who needs a foot?
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by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why we have two: backup!
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by Berkelium97 on Sep 27, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m really glad the two of you find this so humorous! LMAO, not…
by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you just use a “not” joke in a non-ironic fashion?
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by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a broken foot, laughter is the best medicine. after surgery, of course.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 27, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Seth, he’s not a Doctor. He just plays one on TV.
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by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Cal fans cannot laugh at our misfortunes
then we would all be miserable. I think Oregon is the only team in the world that has luck worse than ours.
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by Berkelium97 on Sep 27, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a broken heart, laughter is te best medicine. After blood-letting and leeches, of course.
I'm no The Maharg! But I try. Oh, how I try!
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by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blood-letting, leeches, and laughter are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
Unless you’re the whose blood is being let or who is covered in leeches.
So in a way, blood-letting and leeches are still among the best medicine. Medical science has just been put back 1000 years.
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by Berkelium97 on Sep 27, 2008 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow wow wow...
Injuries starting to pile on… QB competition opening back up…
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might be time to reconsider our expectations for the season. Before #2 seemed plausible. Then, #1 seemed maybe perhaps who knows perchance could be possible after Thursday.
But now we have one of our biggest match ups coming up with uncertainty at QB AND RB. ASU has looked less than stellar at times, but still.
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by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's funny but..
After a victory we’re acting like we suffered a loss..
We did with Best and Davis but still.
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Sep 27, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fairly content
8-4 this season would be a success IMO. Nothing today dissuaded me from this.
I’m probably in the minority though.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if you're in the minority
But I also think 8-4 would be more or less par for the course this year.
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are Cal fans, afterall. Success only breeds pessimism!
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by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not good...
I’ll tell you one thing, this QB competition could fracture the fan base again, though hopefully it won’t seep into the team like last year.
by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2008 10:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pot meet kettle
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Sep 27, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tedford's approach will be different this season
Unless he sticks with a quarterback who is underperforming, no one should really question this. Save the fanboys, who are annoying and aren’t really Cal fans to begin with, just people who want to create friction.
Riley is being challenged because he’s committing the same errors Nate committed last season. And now they plan to criticize him from learning from his mistake?
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he isn’t committing the same errors Nate did. Nate was usually reasonably sharp through three quarters and then self-destructed in the 4th with interceptions.
Riley still makes good decisions, but just can’t seem to be on the same plane of existence as the wideouts, which kills drives.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 27, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
BigAlfromCal posted this on Bear Insider.
2003 vs OSU—Rodgers stunk up the stadium, but Robertson never got a whiff of the field.
2005—Ayoob can’t hit open receivers very often, leading to a loss of a winnable game at Oregon, and others. Tedford finally pulls Ayoob in the Big Game, and Levy leads Cal to victory.
2007 second half of the season—Longshore was bad in many a 4th quarter, if not 2nd halves of several games, but Riley rode the bench until the bowl game…
2008—CSU-4th game of the season-Riley underperforms, Tedford replaces him in the 2nd half!
by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2008 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Seth, I’ll tell you one thing, this QB competition could fracture the fan base again, though hopefully it won’t seep into the team like last year.
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by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your feeble attempt at mockery was pathetic. Have you been drinking this evening, Twist? What you drinking, son?
by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just thought your lack of self-awareness was funny. Here’s a list of people who work hard to fracture the fan base:
1. Tedford
2. Longshore
3. You
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by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What!
Bullshit, I don’t work to fracture the fanbase. I work to keep it intact and functioning in a continually harmonious state! How dare you disparage me and label me as something I am clearly not!
by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it difficult to determine whether the above post shows incisive self-awareness or continues to reflect the lack of self-awareness.
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by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha ha...
OK, got a few drink in me. Feel a lot better about everything. Sorry for arguing with you my Supreme Leader, TwistNHook!
by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, Seth, I’ll give you an open book into why I made those comments:
1. You post saying “Man, it’d suck if the fan base split again. I hope that doesn’t happen.”
2. Then you make this oddly inane post about how the 2003 OSU game shows that Tedford secretly loves Longshore and will do whatever it takes to put him back in. Your cartoonish hatred of Nate Longshore has done more to split the fanbase than anybody here not named Olsonist.
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by TwistNHook on Sep 28, 2008 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
incidentally
Where has Olsonist been? He hasn’t been around recently at all.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Sep 28, 2008 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for BigAl
Could this be Tedford, you know, learning from mistakes?
Nah, he must just really have it in for Riley.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stay off BI if you savor your sanity...
“Tedford hates Riley…”
Talk of Tedford having double standards…
It seems like people think Tedford favors Longshore…. still. Whether he does or not, I don’t know. But here’s where logic fails those who may think that Tedford favors Longshore. Assuming Tedford favored Longshore last year and such favoritism still persists, then why did Tedford choose Riley over Longshore as the starter for the 2008 season? If Tedford was playing favorites, he would have chosen Longshore to start the 2008 season over Riley despite numerous reports from Okanes (and a few quotes from Tedford himself) that Riley was playing better.
Tedford said last year that he stuck with Longshore because he gave Cal the best chance to win – from that we can assume that Longshore was outplaying Riley in practices. But let’s entertain and analyze the theory that Tedford plays favorites and merely likes Longshore and hates Riley. So let’s just assume for the sake of this remaining argument that instead, Riley was outperforming Longshore in practices during the second half of 2007 (post Longshore-injury) and Tedford was playing favorites and stuck with Longshore. That means Tedford favored Longshore over Riley despite Longshore’s inferior play. Continuing with the analysis, let’s jump to this year. Prior to this season, Tedford said Riley would get the start against MSU which is contrary to the theory that Tedford favors Longshore. After MSU, Tedford said Riley “earned” the starting job since Riley played better than Longshore. This too is contrary to the theory that Tedford favors Longshore. Furthermore, the scenario post-MSU is the same scenario in 2007 (post-Longshore injury): that Longshore was not playing as well as Riley. Thus, since these are the same scenarios, then we should expect Tedford to choose Longshore as the starter both times since Tedford plays favorites. But in reality, Tedford chose Riley to start after MSU – which as I said earlier, is contrary to the theory that Tedford favors Longshore.
That was a lengthy and complex analysis, but the point is that if Tedford truly is playing favorites or “hates Riley” then Tedford would have made Longshore the starter for MSU, and would have chosen Longshore as the starter after the MSU game despite Longshore’s poor performance against MSU (since the logic is that Tedford will continue to start Longshore despite not performing as well as Riley – which supporters of the “Tedford favors Longshore” theorists claim to have happened in 2007). But Tedford didn’t choose Longshore to start against MSU. Tedford didn’t tap Longshore as the starter after MSU.
There is no favoritism for Longshore.
Avi is right. Tedford is just learning to be more quick to pull players who aren’t being productive.
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is just silly.
Let’s say that the standard is that it takes 3.5 bad games to get pulled, if it’s accurate to say that about playing your second string QB in a 28-0 blowout. That makes 2003 irrelevant, and 2005 and 2007 consistent with this number. You could argue that Longshore was bad for longer, but I give him a game or two due to his bum ankle, not to mention his prior good season. Alternately, if you include all of Longshore’s bum ankle games, you also have to include Riley’s boneheaded decision game.
by sec119 on Sep 27, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone notice this by Nate?
That one pass (to Calvin or Cunningham I forgot) where Nate rolled out the pocket towards his right (with surprising speed I must add) pointed at his receiver, waited for three defenders run to where he pointed and then proceeded to throw it there into coverage..?
If that was indeed how it played out then…: DUMB!
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Sep 27, 2008 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I did see that play. While Nate should not have made the throw (or could have made it, but much closer to the sideline, one of those half-throwaway passes), Cunningham should have seen the open space between him and Nate and run towards it, rather than stay more or less where he was.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 27, 2008 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the signal was to make the receiver come back for the pass instead of rolling out with Longshore.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it was still idiotic to point out your receiver for the defense to rush towards
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Sep 27, 2008 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too idiotic
Considering Longshore threw it in a position where it was impossible for the defender to make a play inbounds.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 27, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps it is idiotic. I’m not going to debate whether that is or not. But I merely want to point out that many QBs do that. Bad QBs… Heisman winning QBs… NFL QBs… NFL Hall of Fame QBs.
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
White QBs….black QBs…Asian QBs…democratic QBs…communist QBs…
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about dinosaur QBs?
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Sep 28, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stegosaurus QBs do.
T-Rex ones can’t do it to well because their arms are too short.
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by Berkelium97 on Sep 28, 2008 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
NAILED IT!
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by TwistNHook on Sep 28, 2008 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd!
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Sep 28, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do remember that play. That was pretty funny, but it worked out. And he showed mobility!
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by TwistNHook on Sep 27, 2008 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cal needs a kicker, folks....
I told you guys this two weeks ago. None of you trick asses wanted to listen. I want an in depth article on who is going to kick for us this year. What is the word on Tedford scouting the soccer team? Is that actually true? Being as our soccer team is ranked sixth, would any of them want to be a football player, a kicker of all things??? Hell yes! Soccer doesn’t get respect because besides womens soccer it sucks and is boring! Raid that ass!
by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2008 12:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not Cal's rugby team?
Haven’t they been #1 since the Civil War?
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. I was actually being serious though. I read some crazy post where they said Tedford was going to look at the soccer team. Was that just BS? I swear I will be pissed for being duped like that.
by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure it was sarcastic. He’s been less than happy with the kicking this year.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that is too bad. He shouldn’t make comments like that. The kicking has been atrocious this year. So much so that is has affected the outcome of games. Whenever kicking becomes a weakness you know you have done something wrong…
by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2008 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am beginning to think that poster was talking out of his ass. I hate it when I am drunk and read posts, because I take them at face value. I too doubt Tedford would resort to scouting the soccer team, though I fail to see how it could possibly hurt at this point.
by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2008 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’d be embarrassing. Imagine the headlines that other recruiters would use to dissuade high school footballers to come to play for Tedford? “You’ll have a better chance if you join the soccer team.”
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given that he borrowed Taveccio (in his one game of glory) from the soccer team, I’m thinking he’s serious about it.
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by Berkelium97 on Sep 28, 2008 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I’m starting to wonder if being a kicking coach is that hard. My first lesson would be soccer ball=football.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point we might as well onside kick it everytime; at least we have a 20% chance of getting the ball back.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about the soccer team, but in the KGO post game interview, he called out the kickers big time. He sounded very angry in general.
by OskiMonsta on Sep 28, 2008 5:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look guys....
I’m drunk, sick, and have been subsisting on two day old stale Pizza for a day now. My major concern is this upcoming QB battle. If Nate regains his starting position and plays well, well, all is well. If he plays poorly, all hell will break lose! You f-ing know it will, just go to Bear Insider. Some are going with Nate right now, but I know these people, they were the same ones screaming for Riley last year. I agree that I was calling for Riley last year, but to some extent I agree that Tedford needs to take another look at Longshore. Maybe that ankle injury really did have something to do with last season. God, I feel so fucking powerless.
by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2008 12:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is one way out of this crisis
You know it, I know it, and Hydrotech definitely knows it.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO DREAMY!!!
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just stay off of BearInsider for a few days until things calm down. I’m sure there’s probably a nuclear war going on over there over whether Longshore or Riley should be QB… but no need to get emotionally taken in by it and stuff.
As for all hell breaking loose, yes, the whole Longshore vs. Riley battle is a huge powder keg but if we all just trust Tedford in that he’s making decisions that put the team in the best position to win, then this shouldn’t become too divisive. Things only get decisive when some fans think Coach is wrong and X should start over Y, and other fans think Coach is right Y should start over X. If we all just assume Coach is right and trust Coach… there shouldn’t be a divide.
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oceania was always at war with Eurasia.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope ur right...
I really hope you are right, Hydro. I come out of this game feeling that more questions have arisen and little has been answered. And now Jahvid is injured? Fuck! That’s the problem with alcohol, if your lucky you get through three stages. The first being, ‘well OK, I am drunk, all is well.’ The second being, ‘shit, we really have a problem.’ Lastly, the thought of failure sets in, ‘all is lost. I just can’t take it anymore.’
And Rulon might have broke his foot? Fuck! That guy is such a beast. I can’t stand him getting injured anymore! I wonder if any of these recurring injuries have anything to do with his near death experience with a semi while riding a motorcycle? Who the F knows, but for a Marine who served in Iraq he gets injured a lot. Of course, I am not questioning his patriotism to country or loyalty to the Bears, just seems like he gets injured almost every other game. For such a good solid player, it really sucks for the Bears. I have never seen a season in which I was so unsure as to how things would turn out. Is that a good thing?
by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2008 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a good thing! Enjoy the crazy ride ,and don’t forget to drink heavily. Win or lose we booze
by OskiMonsta on Sep 28, 2008 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
“We may put it out on campus to see if we have any soccer players who can kick,” Tedford said.
I’m not sure if he’s sort of exaggerating or if he’s serious… but if he’s serious… wow.
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 2:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy, but I’m not that concerned about Jahvid. I’m not happy but Shane has looked every bit as explosive as Jahvid just fewer opportunities. He can run, he can catch, he is fast and shifty. If Jahvid is out for the season, that will be a huge disappointment, but if he’s only out for a few games, I think Shane will step up, and we will be fine.
by OskiMonsta on Sep 28, 2008 5:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just watched the replays a couple of times. Not good, but I was expecting worse. What do I know, but I say wost case he’s out a couple of games.
by OskiMonsta on Sep 28, 2008 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Guarnero
Seems like if anything, he’s just as big a loss as Jahvid. There’s a big reason why Tedford didn’t wait until next year to give him regular PT.
I know we’re going to get Tepper back sometime in November, but given the noted similarity in ability between Best and Vereen, doesn’t it become an issue of who is going to block for them? I frankly don’t know much of anything about Boskovich, who I understand will be the one to replace him, but simply because he was the back-up it seems like there could be a loss in run blocking/pass protection.
by Nashville on Sep 28, 2008 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally, some sane analysis
Best may miss a few games, but the Bears are well stocked at the tailback position. And whoever plays QB will be fine, too. The injury to Davis is a bit more concerning, but not at all unexpected.
For me, far and away the worst injury news this weekend, is Guarnero. With Tepper still out, the line has struggled like we haven’t seen in quite a while. I know there’s some young talent there, but Mack and Schwarz can’t do it by themselves, particularly when Morrah is on the field.
I’m normally an optimistic guy, but the O-line situation has me very worried.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Sep 28, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. This game was the only one thus far where both Vereen and Best were getting 6-8 yards/rush on average, instead of 1-2 yards and then a magical 80yd run (I much prefer the former). This indicates better holes were being opened up by the Oline, perhaps due to Schwartz and Teofilo switching sides, or perhaps because CSU is just that weak.
Either way, I’ve never been fully convinced that Best is more than a sprinter with a couple jukey moves. I would LOVE to have him in, of course, and I wish him the speediest of recoveries, but I think Vereen and Slocum are definitely more prototypical running backs and will add to our offense very positively.
I don’t know what would be more damaging: Rulon out, or Guarnero out. I’m inclined to say Rulon, simply because Tepper should be returning hopefully by the game after ASU.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 28, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is very difficult to win in college on a week-by-week basis going one-deep at the tailback position.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest upset of the week
Hydrotech 125, Bears Necessity 95
I suck. Hydro rules.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 8:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they've fully updated scores yet
I don’t have any points from Locker (few as they were), Brandon LaFell, or Morrah.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Sep 28, 2008 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I calculated them on my own. He had Terrell Pryor, Chris Scott for LSU, Jordan Shipley for Texas all break 20+ points. Evan Royster might gain yards for Penn State, but he CANNOT get into the end.
And let’s not forget my infinite wisdom in selecting Riley Skinner over Pryor this week. Still shaking my head at picking an ACC dude.
Eh, oh well, back to the lowly Graham Harrell until Week 12.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chase Daniel for me!
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Sep 28, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lost again. Would have won if I hadn’t benched Blount at the last minute for Beanie Wells. Alone at 0-5…I love fantasy football!
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by CBKWit on Sep 28, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You thought about picking up Pryor too?
I think I was before you on waiver wire, and I put my Pryor selection first, so even if you wanted Pryor I don’t think you would have gotten him.
The way Colt McCoy is playing, I’m starting to wonder if I should have accepted the trade from CBKWit for him when CBKWit proposed a trade to me…. but at least i have Shipley.
Lowly Graham Harrell… I wanted the #1 pick in the fantasy league draft so I could get that guy… I think I got lucky. I mean, if Harrell had been playing this week, he’d probably put up around 40 points. I only beat you by about 30 so if Harrell didn’t have a bye, I think you would have beat me, Avi.
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I got Maclin for McCoy
no point having 2 qbs score 40 points a week when you can only play 1.
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by CBKWit on Sep 28, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Big 12 QBs and the rest of the country is absurd right now. I wonder if anything will change when they start beating up on each other.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New AP Rankings
We received five votes. Our good friends Maryland and Michigan State are 25th and 26th, respectively.
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by Berkelium97 on Sep 28, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Coaches Rankings are out as well.
Looks like USC and Florida are still in the hunt.
Cal got 20 points in that one. MSU was #2 in also receiving votes; Maryland is #5. I’m not really sure what that 20 point total represents but a win next week and at the worst I’d guess we’d be on the cusp.
But back to the top of the Coaches poll:
9. USC 2-1
10 UGA 4-1
11. USF 5-0
Why in the world is USC still in the top 10? Even if you believe, like I do, Oregon St. is significantly better than their losses @ PSU and ’furd indicate, in no universe could that have been considered a quality loss. UGA may have lost to undefeated Alabama, but it was 31-0 at the half and UGA never got within 10 points. And of course, they were at home. USF should be ahead of both of these teams.
Finally, Florida is #13. Substantively, there wasn’t much difference between Florida’s loss and USC’s. 8, 7, and 9 places are a lot to drop for these three teams, but if we were ranking these teams for the first time after this week, would anyone have put them in the top 10/top 15 compared to the other teams out there and based on their performance thusfar? Probably not.
by Nashville on Sep 28, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because USC came back in about six minutes and made it a game. The potential is still there.
I’ll be docking them down a little bit more.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
I didn’t mean to say that USC doesn’t deserve a spot in the top 15, though I can see how it probably came across that way. I meant UF shouldn’t be there (though #16 wouldn’t be unreasonable). I think UGA and USC still have the resumes to be a part of the top 15 at this point. However, any time you have to justify the ranking by saying ‘USC really made a game of it against that 1-2 [now 2-2] team,’ you may want to look a couple spots below #9.
Of course, I think I differ from a lot of people in that I lean much more towards a ‘power’ type poll. If I were asked to rank USC based on where I thought their potential could lead them, it’d probably be #7 or higher.
by Nashville on Sep 28, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: USC
i haven’t done my rankings for this week yet (working on them now), but regarding USC, while I’m definitely going to ding them for losing at Oregon State, I’m not going to simply say ‘well, they lost to a team that lost to Stanford and got blown out at Penn State, so the must have actually been awful this whole time.’ having watched all 3 games, i can say that Oregon State played MUCH better last Thursday than they did earlier this year, and while USC didn’t look incredible or anything, it seems like the Beavers have improved quite a bit.
also, I can’t say something like ‘USC should now be ranked #13’ without also being able to say what the 12 teams above them are.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Sep 28, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Florida losing a close one to Ole Miss a worse loss? I think they’re about the same, because Ole Miss has shown flashes this season of being Top 25 material.
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ole Miss and Oregon St. are probably going to wind up with very comparable records. I would say Florida’s is the worse loss because it happened at home, and not just any home stadium but the Swamp.
by Nashville on Sep 28, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right
Dr. Saturday, formerly Sunday Morning Quarterback, had a good post on this topic following the USC/OSU game. While you can read it for yourself here, I’ll quote the portion that best summed it up:
Which means yes, Mark, it was you out there, spitting the bit with your teammates, every bit as much as you were out there when the accolades were raining down against the Buckeyes. The real USC, it turns out, isn’t one or the other, but both of those things. They all count.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like you, Dr. Sat and I are all making a similar point here. OSU’s play revealed themselves to be MUCH better than the team that got ‘twerked in Happy Valley. But that wouldn’t have won them the game had the Trojans not revealed themselves to be a team that couldn’t maintain the focus and level of play they exhibited in that destruction of tOSU. Because the Beavers were properly positioned to take advantage of USC’s malaise, they were able to score the upset. Boiled down, what I’m trying to say is that USC is probably among the top 3 teams if you just have to win one game. But being the best is more than just elevating your play against the elite or for a specific game. It’s consistently maintaining a superior level of play. After 5 weeks, and only 3 games for the Trojans, that’s the disqualifying factor from the top 10 that I see. On the other hand, Utah might be the only team I could currently see with the number and quality of wins to be ranked above them. So #10 might be just about right.
Ditto the above for Florida, minus the mitigating quality win. The problem UGA has is that Alabama seems to just be a flat-out better team than they are.
by Nashville on Sep 28, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sidetopic
If you do read the Dr. Saturday article, scroll down to comment #9. Just too priceless.
by Nashville on Sep 28, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the lazy amongst us:
USC No. 1 . . . Ohio State No. 2 . . . HAHAHAHAHA!!! The top 5 SEC teams (in my opinion they are LSU, Florida, Georgia, Alabama and Auburn) could beat ANY other team in the country. The media needs to quit hating on the SEC and give the conference its well-justified respect!
None of the SEC teams mentioned above will have a loss as pitiful as USC just had to Oregon State!!!! LMAO!!!
1. Belief that SEC gets no respect. Check.
2. Wild accusation that top SEC teams will never have embarrassing losses. Check.
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by TwistNHook on Sep 28, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Florida and Georgia lost inside the conference! THE SEC IS SO DEEP!
by BearsNecessity on Sep 28, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True Story
Winning against a team from the other division in the SEC is actually like winning a non-conference game. Except, it counts double. That’s why they are always so many I-AA teams on the schedule. It balances out see?
by Nashville on Sep 28, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish idiotic comments like that surprised me more
but i’m just too jaded. while Dr. Saturday may be able to reach a much wider audience after moving to Yahoo!, the level of intelligence of his commenters was much greater as SMQ at SBN.
frankly, if our community was as dumb as some of those commenters, i’d just give up blogging now.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Sep 28, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MUST…………CONTROL………SARCASM
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by TwistNHook on Sep 28, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's who voted for us...
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best off of the depth chart.
Maybe this is just routine and not necessarily indicative of the extent of Best’s injury, but I noticed that he is gone from today’s depth chart. Note that Rulon Davis is still on the depth chart.
by JohnnyCalifornia on Sep 28, 2008 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I told you guys you don’t need a foot to play football. It’s not like its in the name of the sport of anything!
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by TwistNHook on Sep 28, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your thoughts on Riley vs. Longshore vs. play calling?
In the wake of the CSU game, I continue to be baffled by Cal’s offensive play calling. I thought it was a big positive that Tedford gave Longshore so much playing time on Saturday. As Hydro already mentioned, it suggests he has a shorter trigger for pulling an underperformer — something that was painfully missing last year. However, I still don’t get why they called multiple roll outs for Nate, but NOTHING of the sort for Riley. Riley is mobile. Why the hell aren’t they calling roll outs, bootlegs, and qb draws for Riley? In addition, why aren’t they letting him throw down field. It seems the only pass plays they call with Riley (except when Cal is down by 21) are screens. In short, it doesn’t seem like it’s Riley, but the play calling that is making Riley look bad because plays are not being called to play to Riley’s strengths (how many times did I just use the word ‘play’ there?). Give the quy a chance to make some plays, por favor.
by RickySanchez on Sep 28, 2008 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that playcalling seems different with the two QBs. As you said, the playcalling could be limiting Riley. Or, perhaps, Riley is limiting the playcalling. Tedford said last year that they are not keeping things simple for Riley. Of course, I’m not really sure Tedford would say the contrary (that they are keeping things simple for Riley) because that would be a public knock against Riley. So I suppose we might have to take Tedford’s comments with a grain of salt. I’m not ready to say yet whether the playcalling is different for Riley and Longshore without further analysis (which will have to wait b/c I’m swamped in work), but it sure seems like it.
I suppose a decent argument can be made that the coaches perhaps don’t want Riley to throw downfield – not the way he’s been frequently off the mark for the past few games.
Anyways, I just wanted to say that you bring up a good point, RickySanchez. One that has been on my mind since last year. And one that I’m still searching for an answer – which i hope to find as soon as I’m not so swamped in work.
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by HydroTech on Sep 28, 2008 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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