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Second-Guessing Tedford : How Soon to Onside Kick

Often, as football fans, we will second-guess the play-calling after the fact.  Coach called a draw play on third and long?  That was dumb -- except when it works, in which case he looks like a genius.  It's a guessing game against the defense, one that has been poetically likened to a chess match, though it's often a lot more like Battleship -- firing in the dark until you hit on something that works.  We can criticize these decisions with our superior powers of hindsight, but it's rare that I find myself criticizing a play call before the play has taken place.  Saturday afternoon in the sweltering Maryland heat, I found myself doing just that.

The Bears were trailing all afternoon, but with 7 minutes to play, they finally scored their first touchdown of the game to pull within two scores, 28-13.  On the ensuing kickoff, Cal lined up for an onside kick, but even before the play went off, I found myself disagreeing with the call.  Not strongly, mind you; I certainly wasn't blowing my top over a bonehead call.  I just felt like there was plenty of time and the Bears could kick it deep and play defense and still have a shot to win.  That's what I would have done, anyway.

I bring this up not because I think Tedford cost us the game with this decision (in all probability the Bears were toast either way), but because I think there's some interesting strategy to be discussed behind such a call.  Bear with me for a second:

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First off, the clock.  Not only were there 7 minutes left in the game, but Cal had a full compliment of timeouts left.  Given the new clock rules, a team gets 40 seconds after a play is blown dead before they have to snap the ball again, so a timewasting running play can shave around 45 seconds off.  Three runs up the middle and a punt can take as much as 3 minutes off the game clock.

So, let's say the Bears kick it deep and send out their defense.  If Maryland can't get a first down, they take at most 3 minutes off the clock; less if you use your timeouts, but I think I save them for now.  If the Terrapins pick up a first down, then I start to get desperate and think about burning them.  Assuming your run defense holds, you get the ball back with about 4 minutes to play.  If you can score quickly (say, a minute or less off the clock), you can even think about kicking deep again, this time using your timeouts between Maryland running plays.  Again, assuming you don't give up a first down, you can get the ball back with ~2 minutes left, plenty of time for a game-tying touchdown drive.

All of this assumes everything goes Cal's way, a tall order, especially on a day where very little seemed to be coming up "Bears".  Still, I generally favor holding off desperate measures until my hand is forced.  An onside kick with 7 minutes to go seemed like an unnecessary gamble.  However, after Maryland and Cal traded touchdowns, kicking onside again with just 5 minutes to play seemed like the right decision to me.  It's a close call, to be sure.

Still, even if you later have to try an onside kick to win the game, with the Bears down by 2 scores, I'd like to try and get the ball back and score once without resorting to the onside kick.  It's always a desperate call to rely on recovering an onside kick to win a game, as the odds are stacked against you.  Having to rely on recovering two consecutive onside kicks?  Those odds are downright dismal.

Here's something else to consider:  how much do you trust Cal's defense?  If you think they can't hold Maryland to a three-and-out, you've got to be a lot more inclined to try the onside kick.  However, at that point in the game, I thought they looked pretty good, especially against the run.  Yes, Cal gave up 141 rushing yards in the game, but over the previous 7 Maryland possession, Cal had given up a grand total of 23 yards on the ground on 26 attempts, forcing 4 punts, recovering 2 fumbles, and giving up just one touchdown.  In no way did I anticipate Cal giving up a 38 yard run on the very next play from scrimmage, setting up the Terrapins' final touchdown.

In the same vein, how much do you trust Cal's offense?  'Considerably less so' would be my honest answer.  Yes, you have to give your offense a chance to score or you won't win the game, but you also have to score quickly.  Cal's touchdown drive that immediately preceded the first onside kick took almost 5 minutes off the game clock in a 13-play drive.  The Bears could ill afford to waste more time like that again, and perhaps it was the slowness of their offense that convinced Tedford that it was time to take an onside kick gamble.  Indeed, another new clock rule change comes into play here.

Previously, if the ball carrier went out of bounds, the clock would stop until the ball was snapped on the next play.  However, except for the last 2 minutes of the half, the clock now starts up again when the referee blows his whistle, indicating that the ball is ready.  Valuable seconds tick away every time the offense gets into formation and gets set to run a play.  This makes it tougher for teams to come back, as their desperation drives now take longer.  Tedford was certainly aware of this rule change, and was probably very worried about having enough time to run Cal's offense.  It would have been presumptuous to anticipate that the Bears would move down the field with ease on their next possession, scoring in just 1:14 against Maryland's prevent defense.  Hindsight's great like that, isn't it?

Finally, there's one other factor that Tedford might have considered, and I think it lends strong support to the decision to try the onside kick:  Cal's kickoff coverage was not good.  Pretty bad, actually.  Sure, after Cal's 3 onside kicks, Maryland started with the ball on Cal's 39, Cal's 40, and Cal's 40, but on the Bears' 3 regular kickoffs, Maryland still started on their own 40, their own 39, and their own 39.  If Seawright and the coverage team were regularly pinning the Terrapins behind their own 20, that might have been one thing, but given the Bear's poor kickoff performance, all Tedford was risking in trying the onside kick was about 20 yards of field position.  Is 20 yards a big deal?  Sure.  Would you carelessly concede it without good reason?  Of course not.  But it certainly does tip the risk/reward ratio significantly in favor of trying the onside kick.  Besides, if the defense can hold Maryland to a three-and-out (something they were ultimately unable to do in either case), that leaves them, at the very most, on the outer fringes of field goal range.

So perhaps I didn't convince you that Tedford made the wrong call; in fact, I'm not sure that he did.  It's not the call I would have made, but then, no one's paying me millions of dollars to coach football games.  Arguments can be made in either direction.  Still, I think it's an interesting problem facing a football coach, one in which there is no clear-cut 'right' answer.  Hindsight lets us second-guess Coach Tedford, but without knowing the subsequent outcomes, would you have done things any differently?

Poll
Would you have chosen to onside kick with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter, down by 2 scores but still having all 3 timeouts?
Yes
54 votes
No
149 votes
Don't ask me, I can't decide. So much pressure!
17 votes

220 votes | Poll has closed

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Oh boy, here we go!

You have no idea how big of a can of worms you just opened, do you?
Hey has anyone seen the notes from today’s press conference? I am sure this issue was addressed. I will look for them….

by CaliSeth on Sep 16, 2008 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Bear with you!?!? What a hilarious pun!

Speaking of which, has anybody seen the notes from today’s press conference. I am sure this issue was addressed. I will get somebody on looking for them…

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by TwistNHook on Sep 16, 2008 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

HEY!

Are you trying to mock me, Twisty? LMAO! You’re going to have to try harder than that.

by CaliSeth on Sep 16, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you laughing at me or with me?

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by TwistNHook on Sep 16, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm....

According to wikipedia….

In 2004 in the NFL, 23% of onside kicks were successful (12 out of 52).

by CaliSeth on Sep 16, 2008 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

The defense had looked pretty good against the run, especially with their second string in, so I can see why he called it. I thought it was a good idea, actually, given that the Maryland running game was being shut down. If the defense holds, the worst case scenario is a three and out, best case is getting the ball back. That touchdown run was a killer.

by sec119 on Sep 16, 2008 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Esp. since it was their backup RB. Le sigh. I think that the poll is skewed by the fact that it didn’t work out and none of the onside kicks worked out.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 16, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't think poll was skewed...generally everyone at the game discussed this before the kick

was made and 95% of those I talked to (I talk to alot of people) said, DONT DO IT. Unfortunately, in retrospect, they were correct.

by 33SwisherSweet on Sep 16, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many of these people are just fake names you made up to mock local journalists? Because those people shouldn’t count!

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by TwistNHook on Sep 16, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

My brain says onside kicks are exclusively for that final possession when the final possession could potentially put you ahead for good. My heart says what the hell, sometimes you just have to try and create a game changing break. I think it’s an ok call either way.

by zoonews on Sep 16, 2008 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Had this conversation ad naseum during and after the game...

consensus was that it was the wrong decision. If he’s gonna call for the kick that early, at the very least you got to do it as some sort of surprise. The D was playing decent. Kick it off deep. Stop MD and get the ball back around your 40 at worst. Instead, with the onside kick you have to prevent them from getting a first down because a first down puts them in FG range (granted their kicker sucks). Best case scenario you stop them and they punt and you get the ball back BUT have to drive at least 80 yards for a TD. Simply, too early to call for the onside there.

by 33SwisherSweet on Sep 16, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

NO on the 7 minute onside kick

my logic:

The onside kick with 7 minutes left resulted in a TD.
Cal lost by a TD and a 2 pt conversion.
Therefore, Tedford made the wrong call.

Personally, I would have gone for the kickoff resulting in a fumble recovery in the endzone for a Cal TD . . . But that’s just how I roll.

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by oaktownmario on Sep 16, 2008 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

In all seriousness tho,

I think it was early, but for all the other factors (questionable Cal defense and offensive play), I think the call was ok. However, IF Tedford chose to onside that early, I would have liked a surprise onside. Or how bout kicking it to the opposite side of where everyone is lined up? That seems like a better probability of getting it b/c the preparation is on the personnel heavy side where there are blockers and “catchers” with very specific assignments.

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by oaktownmario on Sep 16, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted yes.

But if I knew our kicker was bad at onside kicks (i know they’ve got to be difficult, but still), I would say no.

It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.

by Maharg on Sep 16, 2008 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

the first two onside kicks weren’t very good, but the third one was actually very good. high in the air, close to your kickoff team. one of the Maryland players got lucky and was able to swat the ball out of bounds, but I thought Cal had a very good chance to recover, and that’s really all you can ask for in an onside kick.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 16, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

That kick was also less than 10 yards, the announcer made a point of that.

It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.

by Maharg on Sep 16, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

ah

being down near the other end zone, i couldn’t tell that. oh well, it looked good from my vantage point.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 16, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe Ragnarok would WILLINGLY ignore the announcers like that!?!?!

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by TwistNHook on Sep 16, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe it’s not butter.

It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.

by Maharg on Sep 16, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats because you lack imagination.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 16, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s because you lack i-MARGARINE-ation.

by AndBears on Sep 16, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh my science, that just tickled my funny bone

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by TwistNHook on Sep 16, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

let’s milk this for all it’s worth.

by sec119 on Sep 16, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

something something dairy product something something.

It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.

by Maharg on Sep 17, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

But if the receiving team touches it even if it doesn’t go 10 yards, then it’s a live ball.,.. I think.

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by HydroTech on Sep 16, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea, that’s a live ball. But it wasn’t going 10 yards, or if it was it was going out of bounds almost immediately. If the Maryland player hadn’t knocked it out, we still probably wouldn’t have gotten it.

It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.

by Maharg on Sep 16, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kicking issue in general...

It’s one thing to sit here and dissect the issue of calling an onside kick or not. Me personally, I would not have done the onside. But I think we are all missing something that Tedford probably took into account, our kicker is extremely deficient! He can barely get the ball to the 30 yard line! So, taking that into account Tedford probably realized he had nothing to lose at that point. I think the larger issue is figuring out what we are going to do about our kicker. If we go the rest of the season giving up such good starting field position to our enemies we are doomed! Someone has to be able to kick it deeper than our current stable of kickers!

Thoughts?

by CaliSeth on Sep 16, 2008 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Probably the quickest solution to that is to start

doing those pooch kicks and squibbers. That way the best returners don’t get their hands on it and nothing big is given up, even if you do concede some field position.

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by oaktownmario on Sep 16, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a believer in the onside kick

I think we should do it more.

in the first half agains $c and Oregon.

by Rocksanddirt on Sep 16, 2008 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of punts...

It was before my time, but I remember hearing something about a Cal football coach that used to punt on third down. I have no idea if this is true, but the guy I was talking to was pretty serious. Has anyone heard about this? That would make absolutely NO sense to me. If he did do it, he probably only got away with it because it was a time before blogs like this.

by CaliSeth on Sep 16, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

in the joe kapp days....

we quick kicked a few times when we were really deep in our own end.

we had a guy (don’t recall his name) great athlete….played some qb, receiver, tb, a number of things…he’d line up in the shot gun, and a three or 4 wide set and punt on 3’rd and long.

also line up on 4th and more than two and punt from that formation….

by Rocksanddirt on Sep 16, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow

That’s very interesting. Hard to imagine something like that happening nowadays. Thanks for the info.

by CaliSeth on Sep 16, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totes!

I also think we should onside kick every time and every play from scrimmage should be a Hail Mary.

by CalBandGreat on Sep 16, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

When it comes to plays that make no sense...

My mind immediately goes to Holmoe. I vaguely remember us punting on an early down, out of a normal formation, deep in our own territory, during a game against UCLA at home. I think it was seen as a success at the time, though I have no idea why. I apologize if this is something I merely dreamed.

by Tony M on Sep 16, 2008 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I cant remember that, but if Nick Harris was involved, I could see why we punted early.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 16, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

My logic goes as follows:

If you assume that a successful onside kick is required to win the game, it makes sense that you would go for it sooner rather than later. That way, you have more information after you recover the kick and score a TD. Do you kick away next time, or did you use so much time that you have to go onside again? Obviously, if you kick away, get a stop, and score a TD, if that takes too much time you don’t have the option of going back and going onside.

by markdash on Sep 16, 2008 5:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I can understand such reasoning

I wasn’t quite as worried by the time as you seem to be, but you make a good point. Perhaps a less obvious onside kick would have been more effective?

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 17, 2008 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have more of a problem with how the onside kick was executed. They should hit the ground and pop up high in the air with very few exceptions. That every onside kick was a roller, which has a much lower percentage of success probably shows that this hasn’t been practiced much.

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by 408 on Sep 16, 2008 7:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Or, atlernatively, that our kicker is inexperienced and, unfortunately, not good.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 16, 2008 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I fear this could become more unfortunate as the season progresses. It seems uncanny to have a kicker that struggles in all three phases of the kicking game: Regular kickoffs, field goals, and onside kicks. I’m not trying to get on the kickers case, it just terrifies me. I feel it is a legitimate concern. In all our talk about Riley we lost track of what really needs fixing. God help us…

by CaliSeth on Sep 16, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two Reasons

There are two reasons Tedford went for the onside kick:

Cal sucks at kick-offs (both distance and kick overage) and routinely gives the other team the ball at the 40 or better; and

Maryland’s kicker sucks at field goals (but at least he can boom kick-offs).

I still think 7 minutes is too early to try an obvious onside kick. If Cal has a disguised onside kick play, I might try that at 7 minutes to go, but only if Maryland doesn’t put there “good hands” line-up out there.

Also, it’s hard to believe Cal can’t find a kicker that can consistently get the ball to the goal line. Everyone else seems to have one.

by Fair Weather Cal Fan on Sep 17, 2008 7:43 AM PDT reply actions  

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