Why did Tedford choose Riley?
It's seems so long ago that Tedford shocked the Nate Longshore loving world that is CGB by naming Riley as the # 1 QB. Most of us who were tired of Longshore's 4th quarter meltdowns last years welcomed the move, while you Longshore lovers were despondent.
Publicly Tedford came out and said that Riley was performing better in practices and earned the job. Having not seen the practices, most of us do not know if this is true or not. But could there have been other factors motivating Tedford's decision? If so what other factors?
While Riley has had a couple decent games and one bad one, his overall numbers seem pedestrian to me.
In his first game against MSU Riley threw for 202 yards, on 17 - 24 passes with 2 TDs and no INTs. We all know how Longshore did . . .
In his second game, Riley was flat out bad. Riley was just 6 - 14 for a measley 51 yards and 1 TD. His longest pass was a 14 yard gain as he consistently missed receivers who were more than 10 yards away from him.
In his third game Riley amassed a HUGE amount of yards: 423 on 33 of 58, with 3TDs and 1 INT. Although Riley began to play better in the second half, his pass completion rate was an uninspiring 56%, and his 423 yards were on 58 pass attempts and against a prevent defense..
So this post isn't an attempt to bash Riley. Instead, I wonder whether there were other factors involved in Tedford's decision. Riley's three performances don't strike me as great or even that good. I'd have to say so far Riley has been average and is still going through a lot of growing pains. Obviously we don't know the playbook, we don't know if our inexperienced receivers ran the proper routes, and at least vs. Maryland we know the O-Line did not do a very good job of protecting Riley and at least some of his 5 sacks were coverage sacks. We also don't know how Longshore would have performed, but I feel he is better at throwing the long ball than Riley is [notwithstanding his ugly line vs. MSU]. I have no insider knowledge and unlike our own Hydro, I haven't served as waterboy for the team. So this is based on pure speculation. However, I think Tedofrd chose Riley over Longford for one or two reasons other than "performance."
1. Riley was chosen so this team could compete next year.
It's no secret that with a [largely] new crop of receivers, a new defensive scheme, and new off. coordinator, this Bear team was going to be in an ongoing state of learning. No one expected our Bears to compete for a conf. championship and at best, everyone's most optimistic projection was to have Cal play in the Holiday Bowl. So even though this last year of Longshore' eligibility would help his pro hopes, why not just get Riley in there this year so that he, the receivers and the off. coordinator have a year of experience under their belts. This would make it easier to compete for loftier prizes next year and while this hurts Nate, in the long run it helps the team develop under Riley.
2. Riley was chosen because the team needed new leadership and Tedford feared an "ASU Rudy Carpenter" rebellion.
The team's lack of leadership last year has been well chronicled by the players, coaches, and by CGB. While this lack of leadership cannot be the fault of any one player, no one on the field epitomizes leadership like the QB. I believe Tedford saw what we all did when Riley played against OSU and AirForce. He saw Riley give the team a spark and referred to Riley's "playmaking ability" when discussing naming him the starter. Naming Longshore the QB could have caused dissension in the ranks and a lack of confidence in the team. Perhaps Tedford felt that to turn things around he had to start with a new QB.
Personally I feel the first factor was the main factor in Tedford's decision. If the team was not going to compete for a Rose Bowl or BCS Champ. this year, then why not prepare the team and Riley for one next year? Your thoughts.
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He chose Riley because he gives the team the best chance to win. Period.
by CaliSeth on Sep 15, 2008 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with caliseth
longshore is a great guy for a team that doesn’t need the qb spot to win a couple of games each year.
we need the qb to win games.
by Rocksanddirt on Sep 15, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me be clear
I am not a Longshore fan and I am not advocating that Tedford made the wrong decision. In fact, I agree 100% with his decision.
At the same time, it is obvious to me that Riley has some shortcomings in his passing game – namely, intermediate to long range passes. Riley’s inconsistency was one reason that Maryland played an aggressive “stop the run” defense (with many guys in the box) and dared Cal to pass, and which proved to be part of Cal’s problem vs MD. It seems to me that for all his faults, Longshore is a better passer than Riley. Having said that, did Tedford realize that and say, “Well Riley has other intangibles, I’ll go with him” or “Well, we’re rebuilding anyway this year, let’s get Riley some experience so that it will help us next year?” This issue, IMO, is affecting the season early on. Riley’s poor performance against WSU wasn’t a big deal because of Cal’s run offense and the 66 points. Now it seems to me to be a bigger deal and poses a problem for future games with talented players (not you CSU). If Riley keeps having problems, everyone is going to stack the box and shut Cal down. That’s why this issue seems relevant to me.
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by oaktownmario on Sep 15, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whaaaaa?
How can you say that Longshore is the better passer? What are you basing that on? How quickly we seem to forget that Nate threw about a million interceptions in the fourth quarter last year. And for all of Kevin’s overthrows, let’s not forget that Nate did the same thing consistently last year. Riley is just starting out, and frankly I think he has shown much more promise than Nate. If you think Riley has been bad in his last couple of games, well it stands to reason that Nate would have been even worse.
If Tedford thought that Nate gave the team a better chance to win, I am sure he would have stuck with him. I highly doubt Tedford would play Kevin simply because he was looking to next year. If he thought like that he would have played Riley last season. Hell, if he thought like that, why not throw Mansion in there?
Lastly, unless I am mistaken, Kevin has yet to do this….
P.S. It makes me sick to have to attack Nate again. Please no more posts like this so I won’t have to. We have placed our bets on Riley, and we should stick by him. He needs our support now more than ever. Nate had a whole season last year to try and get it together. Calling Riley out after one bad game and questioning why Tedford went with him is unfair IMO. And yes, Nate is a great person, a great student, and a good teammate.
by CaliSeth on Sep 15, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seth
I disagree with your characterization that I’m “calling out” Riley after one bad game. As a fan, I’m simply wondering what Tedford’s thought process was. The fact that we’ll likely never know doesn’t matter b/c we’re fans, this is a blog, and that’s what fans do.
I agree that Riley has much more “promise” than Nate. And that makes me wonder whether Tedford’s decision is based on “promise” or not. As for Mansion playing, c’mon. There’s much to be said for development time, and the difference b/t Riley and Mansion is probably a lot greater than the distance b/ct Riley and Nate.
I also agree that Nate had his chances and I am not advocating that he start. I’m just concerned about Riley’s passing success so far and wondered out loud about Tedford’s decision.
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by oaktownmario on Sep 15, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario...
I wasn’t trying to get into an argument or anything. If my comments mischaracterized what you were saying, I apologize. My brain isn’t working very well today. I may just be hypersensitive to any criticism of Riley, be it valid or not. However, I still think Tedford went with Riley because he gives us the best shot at winning in the here and now.
by CaliSeth on Sep 15, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, I’m going to repost a comment I made on the Section303 article:
I’m just saying, it was really hard watching Riley make the same foolish mistakes over and over again. Putting Longshore in could have helped clear his head or given him some time to recover from the heat.
Why can’t we have a reliever situation without it being this big hit to his ego?
I really think we’ve done enough speculation on Tedford’s choice, we absolutely can’t let this quarterback ‘controversy’ infect the entire season. I was am absolutely a Riley backer, and have always had my reservations about Longshore, but when Riley is clearly suffering, I would like Tedford to help him. Not just leave him out there to play until he gets better.
I know, I know, Tedford is not a 2QB guy, but seriously, why have depth if you’re not going to use it!? What is so terrible about substitution in football that hasn’t affected basketball, baseball, every other sport…. We saw a lot more Vareen than we had before and I bet Best’s supporters weren’t rushing to protect Best’s ego… Although the barfing on field probably didn’t help his situation.
okay, I rant on and on. As far as Tedford’s thought process, I’d like to think a lot of those choices from your Q is correct, and that Tedford has a very complex reasoning for going with Riley. Mainly that he outplayed Nate in practice, but over a longer timeline, he’ll need to reign in his overzealous arm and happy feet. This may be something Tedford predicted, maybe not. I DO think that Tedford has enough experience to know how to handle the situation.
by AndBears on Sep 15, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I agree
I’m not big on the 2QB thing either, but I think this is probably the one situation where it might help. If opposing teams keep stuffing the box AND Riley keeps throwing like Ayoob, why not put Nate in for one series? Just to give Riley a mental break and to settle him down. No big deal, and Tedford can say “You’re going back in the next series, take a deep breath.” Hopefully, when Nate gets in there he sees it as an opportunity to help the team and not to “win his job” back.
[And I hope I haven’t conveyed that I meant this post as a way to promote some QB controversy.]
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by oaktownmario on Sep 15, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I considered this after the game and CBKWit set me straight. I hope he sets you straight too. What he said made sense. But we were pretty far into a line of Tom Collins’ (CBKWit) and Glenmorangies (zoonews) at the time.
by zoonews on Sep 15, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
brain no worky
what was CBKWit’s point?
by AndBears on Sep 15, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully he’ll chime in, but what I came around to was that you just can’t bail out your starting quarterback every time they have a bad series or half or even game. They all have them and they all have to play through them. The long term effects of a quick hook on the player and the team are not worth the possible fix. After game 1, coach said Riley is now the starter and there is no more scheduled time for Longshore in the works. Now we stick with that and if he has a shit game, well, I hope he learned something from it. Do you stick with your starter as long as we did last season? That’s another discussion that we’ve all had already and an interesting contradiction to the base premise here. But this is one game, we aren’t a BCS team so the outcome isn’t end-of-the-world type stuff, so we hopefully get through it with some dignity (somehow, I think the late scores helped in that respect) and cross our fingers that what was learned can be applied in all of our future games. Of which he should have many as starter.
by zoonews on Sep 15, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when Riley is clearly suffering, I would like Tedford to help him. Not just leave him out there to play until he gets better.
But you see part of the growth and maturation process demands that Tedford leave him out there. For better or worse, Riley has to be put in tough situations like he faced at UM, and learn to work through them. It’s not so much about it being a blow to his ego, but his psyche.
Taking him out would have seriously undermined his growth as a quality QB. When it comes to QB’s, you simply cannot compare them to running backs or wide receivers, which can be interchanged at will. It just doesn’t work that way with QB’s.
by CaliSeth on Sep 15, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
We may have to agree to disagree. I’ve never built my own QB, so I’ll be glad to leave that to you and Tedford. But from my vantage point it seemed like something just wasn’t clicking with Riley, as though he just couldn’t get past his own blocked synapses.
You (and me too, today) might know how he feels:
My brain isn’t working very well today.
by AndBears on Sep 15, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a better question would be how isn’t this discussion not non-over yet?
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by TwistNHook on Sep 15, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picture me doing this...
With regards to this argument, picture me doing this LMAO!
by CaliSeth on Sep 15, 2008 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but you two are wrong...
Taking Riley out would be the wrong decision. Does everyone forget that even Aaron Rodgers had bad games? Tedford stuck with him and look what he turned into.
by CaliSeth on Sep 15, 2008 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well, you know
Rodgers did get pulled in 2003 against USC and Reggie Robertson finished the upset.
I’M JUST SAYIN’
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Sep 15, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there’s a balance here. Is the quarterback strangely flat and everyone else is gettin’ it done reasonably well? In this particular game, I’d say no. Is the team rallying around the starter regardless or are they rooting for the backup to come in? On this particular team, I’d guess the former. Is the quarterback the kind of guy that will be fired up by that? Riley, I’d guess yes but I don’t know. This isn’t a simple decision at all. Generally you’d stick with your starter unless there is a compelling reason to bench him a series. Insubordination, or exhaustion, or injury, or hangover.
by zoonews on Sep 15, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get pulled? I thought he was injured?
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by TwistNHook on Sep 15, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was injured
And he was actually quite good in the portion of that game that he played – he was in there when we built our lead!
by Tedfordisgod on Sep 16, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA! He got injured! I knew it! Smooth one YellowFever, real smooth!
by CaliSeth on Sep 16, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
Rodgers, who ran for the Bears’ first score and threw for the next two, turned the ball over twice in the final 21/2 minutes of the first half. He was intercepted in the end zone and on Cal’s next possession fumbled away the snap.
He started the third quarter but came out after his second interception of the day.
"He was beat up,‘’ Tedford said. Rodgers, who already had a badly bruised index finger on his throwing hand, hurt an ankle and his ribs in the first half. "He’ll be fine,’’ Tedford said, noting Rodgers agreed that he should come out.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Sep 16, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He chose him
because Riley gave him a valentine card when no one else would.

by BearsNecessity on Sep 15, 2008 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hummm
I have a feeling Tedford “chose” Riley as the starter over Longshore for the first game because they both had similar camps, and after last year, Tedford realized that a mobile quarterback is a plus (particularly when you have an immobile QB with a bad ankle).
But that first game was supposedly also a tryout for both QBs, as Tedford would have likely given Longshore close to 50% of playing time — had he not thrown 2 interceptions in a two series.
That said, I agree with Oaktownmario that, technically, Longshore is the better passer. Riley still needs to develop a good feel for the game, and a good touch on the ball. Two deficiencies that were glaring against both WSU and MD. However, Riley brings intangibles … the ability to move and make something from nothing (see that 3rd down conversion to Morrah against MSU) which Longshore doesn’t. In short, Riley’s deficiencies can be taught and developed, but you can’t teach Nate mobility and drive.
But, then again, if Riley’s immaturity and lack of growth continue to be problems, Tedford might have to consider putting Nate back in. But then, doing that brings up a whole can of worms.
My feeling is Riley will grow, learn, and get better. But he is still a Sophomore, and will make bad plays. It’s just fact. Keep in mind the starting $C QBs for the past few years have all been seniors (Sanchez, Booty, Leinart).
My real concern is both defense and the suddenly missing running game. If those two come back, Riley will have an easier time developing
Go Bears!
by SoCal Oski on Sep 15, 2008 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Receivers have a huge impact on things
I might be off, but I think Riley’s done fine this year, considering he’s still a relatively new starter. He needs to work on game management (clock especially), but his only interception happened when Young slipped. So far he’s avoided the crushing error (I’m not jixing him I swear!)
The bigger issue is the receiving corps. There’s no DJax/Hawk/Jordan to get open consistently and to turn those off-target throws into completions. I doubt Longshore would be having much more luck with them. As the receivers get better, and the coaches and Riley gain confidence in them, our offense will really take off.
by Paulie on Sep 15, 2008 9:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, Oakie didn’t include the obvious reason: Tedford listens to me.
Actually, I think it’s all of the above:
- He was simply showing more in practice. He was although it took some time. Okanes amply documented this.
- He’s just better than Nate, please! Riley was competing in camp better than a fifth year senior. Yes, he is better than Longshore.
- So Tedford can develop this team for loftier goals next year. There is some of that. Longshore had his time and his opportunities to make this his team. Riley is slightly better now and he will be here for three more years. This is a good thing.
- So the team would not rebel against Longshore and Tedford. More likely, that the fan base wouldn’t rebel. The players wouldn’t rebel but something happened at the end of last year short of rebellion.
And Paulie’s right. The receivers are a work in progress.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on Sep 15, 2008 10:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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